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Post by Lazarillo on May 28, 2017 16:31:10 GMT
It's an interesting question. I saw my Mahariel as not really believing in the Elven "Creators" but by that token, that's in part because before Inquisition, I feel like the lore didn't really suggest any Dalish were true believers, and more acknowledged the old traditions for the cultural aspect. There's also the fact that the "real" Mythal had really nothing to do with the myths the Dalish passed on anyway. So ultimately, I think my Mahariel would still see Flemeth the same way: an ancient Abomination who presented herself as a threat. That she shared a name with a creature from a fairy tale would probably be mostly immaterial. Granted, Mahariel has less reason to know everything in the Elven myths was false, but just the fact that "she's not locked up in the Fade" probably tells that as it is.
Now, that said, if we go back and retroactively apply Dalish belief to Origins and do work under that assumption...I'm not sure much would change, because again, the sheer fact that she met Mythal is proof that whatever she did believe in was wrong, so she'd probably view Flemeth the same way. If she'd been a believer, killing "Mythal" would probably be less relevant as much as learning that "Mythal" as she knew her never really existed in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 21:06:15 GMT
Honestly my Mahariel would just shrug and get on with her day...and probably give props to Flemeth for being such a badass.
I've never played a super Dalishy Dalish, but I planning an IQ to be like that. Should be interesting.
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Post by Iddy on May 29, 2017 12:48:25 GMT
It's an interesting question. I saw my Mahariel as not really believing in the Elven "Creators" but by that token, that's in part because before Inquisition, I feel like the lore didn't really suggest any Dalish were true believers, and more acknowledged the old traditions for the cultural aspect. Then you were not paying attention. They had statues to honor the Creators standing in the camp and Tamlen talks plenty about the gods when you're exploring the ruins in the beginning.
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Post by Ean'Harel on Jun 1, 2017 12:08:11 GMT
He'd channel Varric. "Well, shit."
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Post by Lazarillo on Jun 2, 2017 2:13:10 GMT
Then you were not paying attention. They had statues to honor the Creators standing in the camp and Tamlen talks plenty about the gods when you're exploring the ruins in the beginning. Statues and knowledge does not equate to belief. I can travel to Athens, and likely have a discussion with a scholar of ancient literature in front of the Varvakeion Athena about said mythological goddess' role within the ancient Greek pantheon. But that doesn't mean that that scholar believes in the Pantheon. That's how the Dalish come off to me in Origins. They know the stories (well, the stories as they existed in Origins), and they follow the rites, to keep their cultural history alive. But they are portrayed as scholars and keepers, not true believers.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 2, 2017 9:58:57 GMT
Then you were not paying attention. They had statues to honor the Creators standing in the camp and Tamlen talks plenty about the gods when you're exploring the ruins in the beginning. Statues and knowledge does not equate to belief. I can travel to Athens, and likely have a discussion with a scholar of ancient literature in front of the Varvakeion Athena about said mythological goddess' role within the ancient Greek pantheon. But that doesn't mean that that scholar believes in the Pantheon. That's how the Dalish come off to me in Origins. They know the stories (well, the stories as they existed in Origins), and they follow the rites, to keep their cultural history alive. But they are portrayed as scholars and keepers, not true believers. You're really going to defend this to the death, aren't you? Then nevermind that Fenarel greets you with "You've got the gods own luck, lethallin" and Keeper Marethari bids you farewell with "Before the Creators guide you from us, let your clan embrace you one last time".
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jun 2, 2017 10:01:41 GMT
Statues and knowledge does not equate to belief. I can travel to Athens, and likely have a discussion with a scholar of ancient literature in front of the Varvakeion Athena about said mythological goddess' role within the ancient Greek pantheon. But that doesn't mean that that scholar believes in the Pantheon. That's how the Dalish come off to me in Origins. They know the stories (well, the stories as they existed in Origins), and they follow the rites, to keep their cultural history alive. But they are portrayed as scholars and keepers, not true believers. You're really going to defend this to the death, aren't you? Then nevermind that Fenarel greets you with "You've got the gods own luck, lethallin" and Keeper Marethari bids you farewell with "Before the Creators guide you from us, let your clan embrace you one last time". I mean, I'm not sure where he gets this conclusion either, but it's not like what you're saying disproves it. It's not like I've never heard an annoyed atheist say "God damn it."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 10:16:15 GMT
"She was Mythal? And I killed her? I'm a god!" That would be my canon Lavellans response if he killed Mythal. Probaly. My dead Mahriel was the devout one.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 2, 2017 13:09:33 GMT
You're really going to defend this to the death, aren't you? Then nevermind that Fenarel greets you with "You've got the gods own luck, lethallin" and Keeper Marethari bids you farewell with "Before the Creators guide you from us, let your clan embrace you one last time". I mean, I'm not sure where he gets this conclusion either, but it's not like what you're saying disproves it. It's not like I've never heard an annoyed atheist say "God damn it." Have you ever heard an atheist say God is guiding you to a place away from home?
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jun 2, 2017 13:10:23 GMT
I mean, I'm not sure where he gets this conclusion either, but it's not like what you're saying disproves it. It's not like I've never heard an annoyed atheist say "God damn it." Have you ever heard an atheist say God is guiding you to a place away from home? Fair point.
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