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Post by dazk on Feb 19, 2019 1:25:28 GMT
<iframe width="10.6" height="6.88" id="MoatPxIOPT1_7289692" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 10px; top: 64px; width: 10.6px; height: 6.88px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="10.6" height="6.88" id="MoatPxIOPT1_81626775" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 479px; top: 64px; width: 10.6px; height: 6.88px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="10.6" height="6.88" id="MoatPxIOPT1_50588432" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 10px; top: 352px; width: 10.6px; height: 6.88px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="10.6" height="6.88" id="MoatPxIOPT1_45693853" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 479px; top: 352px; width: 10.6px; height: 6.88px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> Ouch!!!! Haven't watched the second one yet but the first one was brutal.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 19, 2019 1:47:37 GMT
Ouch!!!! Haven't watched the second one yet but the first one was brutal. It is which is why I like this particularly YTuber. I find his evaluations spot on. The second offers similar insights and display ingame progression. I find it ridiculous that dumb grinding of x requirements must be met before going to the next part of the story. The requirements are not story related, they're just grindy nonsense to waste the player's time, imo. It would have been better if say to go to Tomb X of legend ABC, you have to find the keys to it. The keys were lost, being held by loyal fellowers of ABC long ago. So a search of their last known locations should begin. They could place the keys in unique locations with interesting mobs to fight. Instead, the devs went for x requirements. What does this say of Bioware? What does this say of Edmonton?
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Post by dazk on Feb 19, 2019 2:54:53 GMT
Ouch!!!! Haven't watched the second one yet but the first one was brutal. It is which is why I like this particularly YTuber. I find his evaluations spot on. The second offers similar insights and display ingame progression. I find it ridiculous that dumb grinding of x requirements must be met before going to the next part of the story. The requirements are not story related, they're just grindy nonsense to waste the player's time, imo. It would have been better if say to go to Tomb X of legend ABC, you have to find the keys to it. The keys were lost, being held by loyal fellowers of ABC long ago. So a search of their last known locations should begin. They could place the keys in unique locations with interesting mobs to fight. Instead, the devs went for x requirements. What does this say of Bioware? What does this say of Edmonton? And that's exactly what I was worried about with the game and why it is the first Bioware game I haven't pre-ordered. I said in a discussion with Andromedary imagine what MEA could have been if it had as much time and money spent on it as has been spent on Anthem? In regards to what does it mean for Bioware, damn good question. I think Anthem will do OK there are enough people out there that like that sort of stuff regardless of the grind but yeah I have limited hopes for Bioware in all honesty. They have two current franchises in DA and ME but who knows what their strategy is for them and what is their ongoing commitment to Anthem? I honestly hope Anthem is a one off for them, that it does OK but doesn't become their future and that they get back to what they do best, writing strong story based single player games with an MP attachment but if Anthem tanks is Bioware finished? Are we just getting too old and Anthem is what the younger generation want???? I don't know. Element Zero be interested to hear your thoughts if you have the time to watch the videos.
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Post by Element Zero on Feb 19, 2019 3:16:07 GMT
It is which is why I like this particularly YTuber. I find his evaluations spot on. The second offers similar insights and display ingame progression. I find it ridiculous that dumb grinding of x requirements must be met before going to the next part of the story. The requirements are not story related, they're just grindy nonsense to waste the player's time, imo. It would have been better if say to go to Tomb X of legend ABC, you have to find the keys to it. The keys were lost, being held by loyal fellowers of ABC long ago. So a search of their last known locations should begin. They could place the keys in unique locations with interesting mobs to fight. Instead, the devs went for x requirements. What does this say of Bioware? What does this say of Edmonton? And that's exactly what I was worried about with the game and why it is the first Bioware game I haven't pre-ordered. I said in a discussion with Andromedary imagine what MEA could have been if it had as much time and money spent on it as has been spent on Anthem? In regards to what does it mean for Bioware, damn good question. I think Anthem will do OK there are enough people out there that like that sort of stuff regardless of the grind but yeah I have limited hopes for Bioware in all honesty. They have two current franchises in DA and ME but who knows what their strategy is for them and what is their ongoing commitment to Anthem? I honestly hope Anthem is a one off for them, that it does OK but doesn't become their future and that they get back to what they do best, writing strong story based single player games with an MP attachment but if Anthem tanks is Bioware finished? Are we just getting too old and Anthem is what the younger generation want???? I don't know. Element Zero be interested to hear your thoughts if you have the time to watch the videos. I’ll have to grab my headphones and watch these, as my wife is sleeping. I can understand BioWare wanting to do something new, but it just feels that the timing is wrong. Ubisoft have really been kicking ass in recent years, listening to feedback and making changes to their IPs. They’ve been releasing quality games. Now, they’re taking one of gaming’s biggest IPs, Assassin’s Creed, in the open world RPG direction. The Witcher 3 kicked ass at release and for long after. Horizon Zero Dawn (great, but not truly much of an RPG); Zelda BotW; RDR2 and other games show that single player games are far from dead or fading. RPGs are far from fading or dying. Ubisoft is even proving that you can monetize them and turn them into “games as a service” without destroying them. (Yay? Ugh.) So, why couldn’t BioWare, the kings of the western RPG, find a way to move forward with their hallmark strength, RPGs? Part of me thinks this avenue might’ve been suggested to them by EA. “What would an online Shooter look like if you guys made it?” It’s more likely that they really did want to try something fresh, and decided to follow the “current” trend (and money). I hope they turn Anthem into a steady revenue stream, but I’m not at all interested. I like single-player games, particularly RPGs. We’ll see what DA4 looks like, but I no longer have a great deal of faith in BioWare. They’ve been headed downhill, in my opinion, ever since apexing in 2010. It’s not been the disastrous decline many claim, but it’s been steady. I just don't believe they’ll ever again turn out the type of greats they used to make. EDIT: Okay, dazk . I watched the first vid. I havent watched Yong, yet. Probably don’t need to do so. Unfinished mess that isn’t consumer-ready after 6 years of dev time? Sigh. That sure sounds familiar. The first video echoed much of what I heard from another vid late last week. Even many of the specific complaints could be transplanted verbatim to MEA. Ugh.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 19, 2019 4:36:41 GMT
And that's exactly what I was worried about with the game and why it is the first Bioware game I haven't pre-ordered. I said in a discussion with Andromedary imagine what MEA could have been if it had as much time and money spent on it as has been spent on Anthem? In regards to what does it mean for Bioware, damn good question. I think Anthem will do OK there are enough people out there that like that sort of stuff regardless of the grind but yeah I have limited hopes for Bioware in all honesty. They have two current franchises in DA and ME but who knows what their strategy is for them and what is their ongoing commitment to Anthem? I honestly hope Anthem is a one off for them, that it does OK but doesn't become their future and that they get back to what they do best, writing strong story based single player games with an MP attachment but if Anthem tanks is Bioware finished? Are we just getting too old and Anthem is what the younger generation want???? I don't know. Element Zero be interested to hear your thoughts if you have the time to watch the videos. For me, if Bioware didn't brand Andromeda as a ME successor, if writing and production were cohesive, inspired and innovative, it would have been a brand new exciting IP. The game left a dubious impression for most; is Bioware losing their creative touch? After Andromeda and Anthem, I frankly have no faith that Bioware would do right with DA and any future ME titles. The latter is the most difficult and ticklish hot potato to handle. Good luck to them. They're steadily falling behind other devs who're taking up the RPG reins and driving their carriages pretty well. Bioware is no longer in the lead. As of now, to me, they're shadows of their former selves.
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Post by dazk on Feb 19, 2019 5:04:07 GMT
And that's exactly what I was worried about with the game and why it is the first Bioware game I haven't pre-ordered. I said in a discussion with Andromedary imagine what MEA could have been if it had as much time and money spent on it as has been spent on Anthem? In regards to what does it mean for Bioware, damn good question. I think Anthem will do OK there are enough people out there that like that sort of stuff regardless of the grind but yeah I have limited hopes for Bioware in all honesty. They have two current franchises in DA and ME but who knows what their strategy is for them and what is their ongoing commitment to Anthem? I honestly hope Anthem is a one off for them, that it does OK but doesn't become their future and that they get back to what they do best, writing strong story based single player games with an MP attachment but if Anthem tanks is Bioware finished? Are we just getting too old and Anthem is what the younger generation want???? I don't know. Element Zero be interested to hear your thoughts if you have the time to watch the videos. I’ll have to grab my headphones and watch these, as my wife is sleeping. I can understand BioWare wanting to do something new, but it just feels that the timing is wrong. Ubisoft have really been kicking ass in recent years, listening to feedback and making changes to their IPs. They’ve been releasing quality games. Now, they’re taking one of gaming’s biggest IPs, Assassin’s Creed, in the open world RPG direction. The Witcher 3 kicked ass at release and for long after. Horizon Zero Dawn (great, but not truly much of an RPG); Zelda BotW; RDR2 and other games show that single player games are far from dead or fading. RPGs are far from fading or dying. Ubisoft is even proving that you can monetize them and turn them into “games as a service” without destroying them. (Yay? Ugh.) So, why couldn’t BioWare, the kings of the western RPG, find a way to move forward with their hallmark strength, RPGs? Part of me thinks this avenue might’ve been suggested to them by EA. “What would an online Shooter look like if you guys made it?” It’s more likely that they really did want to try something fresh, and decided to follow the “current” trend (and money). I hope they turn Anthem into a steady revenue stream, but I’m not at all interested. I like single-player games, particularly RPGs. We’ll see what DA4 looks like, but I no longer have a great deal of faith in BioWare. They’ve been headed downhill, in my opinion, ever since apexing in 2010. It’s not been the disastrous decline many claim, but it’s been steady. I just don't believe they’ll ever again turn out the type of greats they used to make. EDIT: Okay, dazk . I watched the first vid. I havent watched Yong, yet. Probably don’t need to do so. Unfinished mess that isn’t consumer-ready after 6 years of dev time? Sigh. That sure sounds familiar. The first video echoed much of what I heard from another vid late last week. Even many of the specific complaints could be transplanted verbatim to MEA. Ugh. I suppose my worry is that if Anthem is even only "successful" that Bioware will lose credibility with EA especially after MEA. At a time when they probably need to get bigger and get a bigger monetary budget to really put out a great product in either ME or DA I am just not sure they are going to get that opportunity. Part of me wishes that Bioware would secede from EA and get back to their core skills but that would leave them financially in a precarious place I am guessing. When you look at how successful CDPR have been its a shame that Bioware didn't maintain their independence.
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Post by dazk on Feb 19, 2019 5:09:54 GMT
And that's exactly what I was worried about with the game and why it is the first Bioware game I haven't pre-ordered. I said in a discussion with Andromedary imagine what MEA could have been if it had as much time and money spent on it as has been spent on Anthem? In regards to what does it mean for Bioware, damn good question. I think Anthem will do OK there are enough people out there that like that sort of stuff regardless of the grind but yeah I have limited hopes for Bioware in all honesty. They have two current franchises in DA and ME but who knows what their strategy is for them and what is their ongoing commitment to Anthem? I honestly hope Anthem is a one off for them, that it does OK but doesn't become their future and that they get back to what they do best, writing strong story based single player games with an MP attachment but if Anthem tanks is Bioware finished? Are we just getting too old and Anthem is what the younger generation want???? I don't know. Element Zero be interested to hear your thoughts if you have the time to watch the videos. For me, if Bioware didn't brand Andromeda as a ME successor, if writing and production were cohesive, inspired and innovative, it would have been a brand new exciting IP. The game left a dubious impression for most; is Bioware losing their creative touch? After Andromeda and Anthem, I frankly have no faith that Bioware would do right with DA and any future ME titles. The latter is the most difficult and ticklish hot potato to handle. Good luck to them. They're steadily falling behind other devs who're taking up the RPG reins and driving their carriages pretty well. Bioware is no longer in the lead. As of now, to me, they're shadows of their former selves. Yeah that's a tough position to be in, not utilising/leveraging off a successful brand but yeah maybe they needed to be brave and just do the whole "by the company that brought you ME". Have they lost their creative touch, maybe but I think for whatever reason Bioware has let too many good people leave which seemed to start with creative differences on ME3. Not sure whether that was Casey Hudson's fault but if it was, it doesn't bode well for things going forward either. Hopefully Biwoare/EA will look at the competition and see that what they were so successful at is still financially a good product and they'll get green lighted and funded to create a great DA4. When we will ever see another ME though who knows!!!!!
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Post by dazk on Feb 19, 2019 5:26:28 GMT
Wow Yong's review was pretty much the same as the UEG one but just a little bit less ranty. Doesn't look good for Anthem's near future, they are going to have to make some serious and large changes to the game. Having played The Division from the start it sounds like its story and delivery was far superior to The Anthem release.
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Post by Element Zero on Feb 22, 2019 5:55:44 GMT
Even the most optimistic reviews of Anthem that I’ve read/watched have acknowledged its emptiness, lack of readiness, etc... Most have been along the lines of the three above. What is BioWare doing at this point? I’m afraid they’re finally going to convince EA to assimilate and digest them (yes, like a snack) and just move on before DA’s grand story gets finished. They’ve already mismanaged my favorite IP into Tartaros. Ugh. It sucks to watch, and is exactly what many expected. I wish they could’ve surprised us. Better yet, they could’ve prioritized a true AAA Mass Effect experience instead of two deeply flawed games in its stead.
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Post by dazk on Feb 22, 2019 10:03:23 GMT
Even the most optimistic reviews of Anthem that I’ve read/watched have acknowledged its emptiness, lack of readiness, etc... Most have been along the lines of the three above. What is BioWare doing at this point? I’m afraid they’re finally going to convince EA to assimilate and digest them (yes, like a snack) and just move on before DA’s grand story gets finished. They’ve already mismanaged my favorite IP into Tartaros. Ugh. It sucks to watch, and is exactly what many expected. I wish they could’ve surprised us. Better yet, they could’ve prioritized a true AAA Mass Effect experience instead of two deeply flawed games in its stead. I too am so disillusioned and worried for Biowares future. I play Bioware games that's what I do , that dragon age and Mass Effect will disappear from my life is a tragedy that I don't want to accept but hey it mat be a reality.
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Post by Element Zero on Feb 22, 2019 20:23:24 GMT
jorraptor has posted his opinions on Anthem.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 23, 2019 0:15:55 GMT
Even the most optimistic reviews of Anthem that I’ve read/watched have acknowledged its emptiness, lack of readiness, etc... Most have been along the lines of the three above. What is BioWare doing at this point? I’m afraid they’re finally going to convince EA to assimilate and digest them (yes, like a snack) and just move on before DA’s grand story gets finished. They’ve already mismanaged my favorite IP into Tartaros. Ugh. It sucks to watch, and is exactly what many expected. I wish they could’ve surprised us. Better yet, they could’ve prioritized a true AAA Mass Effect experience instead of two deeply flawed games in its stead. I too am so disillusioned and worried for Biowares future. I play Bioware games that's what I do , that dragon age and Mass Effect will disappear from my life is a tragedy that I don't want to accept but hey it mat be a reality. BioWare stated using the Frostbite engine was their decision, not EA. Veering away from SP rpg and going for Anthem is, their decision. Right from the horse's mouth. Well then, that's two horrible batting that dropped miserably in the park. Will they get a third chance at bat? Given EA's MO, I'd say it would be a miracle.
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Post by dazk on Feb 23, 2019 10:56:04 GMT
So Andromeda is rating higher!!!!! Lesson to be learnt?
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 25, 2019 0:34:45 GMT
As far as I'm concern, take whatever devs and publishers say with a jaundice eye. My own "evolution" started with ME3 and steadily built into outright mistrust, helpfully reinforced by unsavoury events since then. Presently on the list, of the current dev companies, of the ones who're trustworthy and who deliver a complete game; CD Project Red, Obsidian Entertainment, Guerilla Games, Larian Studios, Wadjet Eye Games, Dontnod, Ubisoft. Finally, the end to Anthem reviews / opinions / analyses; Angry Joe.
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Post by dazk on Feb 26, 2019 3:02:16 GMT
As far as I'm concern, take whatever devs and publishers say with a jaundice eye. My own "evolution" started with ME3 and steadily built into outright mistrust, helpfully reinforced by unsavoury events since then. Presently on the list, of the current dev companies, of the ones who're trustworthy and who deliver a complete game; CD Project Red, Obsidian Entertainment, Guerilla Games, Larian Studios, Wadjet Eye Games, Dontnod, Ubisoft. Finally, the end to Anthem reviews / opinions / analyses; Angry Joe. Angry Joe annoys me a bit but that was a pretty good (if long) review. I feel bad saying this but I am glad I didn't pre-order it and have resisted buying it.
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Post by dazk on Feb 26, 2019 3:05:48 GMT
Wow Andromeda sold twice as much as Anthem in its first week!!!!!! I think I said this before but imagine what MEA could have looked like with the time and resources Anthem had spent on it, in that time they could have actually done MEA and MEA2.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 26, 2019 11:33:32 GMT
Angry Joe annoys me a bit but that was a pretty good (if long) review. I feel bad saying this but I am glad I didn't pre-order it and have resisted buying it. I wonder if you would be able to sit through his hour long analyses. There's one thing that's very puzzling. In SWTOR, everyone participates in cutscenes, the dialogues. Everyone stays / goes together in the mission. Everyone is able to communicate with one another. Why didn't the Anthem team follow the basic player participation framework already laid by the SWTOR team? It makes no sense. What were the team leaders doing? What was the lead project manager doing? *shakes head*
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