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Post by gplayer on May 16, 2017 5:38:11 GMT
I think the problem was we couldn't have Ryder talk about it like it was frontier justice. At least, I didn't get that option. I'd have to go back and replay that part again. But thats how it felt to me. Right up to the point where the exiles steal the plans and build their own filtration system - you could shrug it off as life on the frontier. Even if they had an argument with the Angara that spiralled out of control and devolved into violence, thats heat of the moment. But they had to poison that entire family in small amounts over a long period of time. To me that segment could not end any other way. |
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Post by SwobyJ on May 19, 2017 21:03:18 GMT
I sympathize with the Exile survival dilemma and their attempts to gain filtration technology asap.
I don't sympathize with anything else, especially the revenge they pushed on the angara. Frankly, the best effective revenge would have instead been to thrive beyond the angara without directly harming them at all, in my opinion.
I now just want the possibly inevitable blame to go towards Ryder for administering supposed justice (of high violence) with little accountability.
Similar to DAI except that setting accepts the violence more, just not as much the resulting political situation (in MEA+ I expect the opposite; a more pacifist ideal but okay with borders and politics being more fluid).
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Post by kalasaurus on May 19, 2017 21:34:27 GMT
In all fairness, the exiles attacked Ryder first with the intention of killing ("screw it, let's just kill them"). I don't think Ryder was wrong for self defense.
I'd have preferred a different outcome too, but there it is.
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Post by smellycatbutts on May 20, 2017 6:52:38 GMT
The exiles were completely in the right to steal the purifer build plans. I'd have liked to understand what happened more clearly. If the exiles slowly poisoned the angara bc they could not overpower the angara with gun power, I say the exiles were not at fault. The angara bled the exiles dry of food, clothes, and weapons afterall. In that scenario, the exiles simply did what they needed to surive (sabotage and poison, then come back when the angara are all dead), and the angara were just a bunch of greedy assholes who were outplayed.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 20, 2017 8:09:07 GMT
I sympathize with the Exile survival dilemma and their attempts to gain filtration technology asap. I don't sympathize with anything else, especially the revenge they pushed on the angara. Frankly, the best effective revenge would have instead been to thrive beyond the angara without directly harming them at all, in my opinion. I now just want the possibly inevitable blame to go towards Ryder for administering supposed justice (of high violence) with little accountability. Except that will never happen. First, they were Exiles and so outside any AI jurisdiction. In theory, they were under Sloane's rule, but they were further exiled by her to the wastelands of Kadara. That means they were loners in a lawless land. They are accountable to no one unless someone chooses to enact justice/vengeance on behalf of those they harmed. Exile itself (twice) didn't prove to be enough to make them actually learn to play nice with others. Exactly when you do draw the line and decide they're too dangerous to society to be allowed to live? Sure, we could try to haul them back to the Nexus to put in a prison cell, but it seems an unlikely thing to happen. Thus, we're left with executing them for their crimes because leaving them alone doesn't work. |
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Post by SwobyJ on May 28, 2017 0:18:18 GMT
I sympathize with the Exile survival dilemma and their attempts to gain filtration technology asap. I don't sympathize with anything else, especially the revenge they pushed on the angara. Frankly, the best effective revenge would have instead been to thrive beyond the angara without directly harming them at all, in my opinion. I now just want the possibly inevitable blame to go towards Ryder for administering supposed justice (of high violence) with little accountability. Except that will never happen. First, they were Exiles and so outside any AI jurisdiction. In theory, they were under Sloane's rule, but they were further exiled by her to the wastelands of Kadara. That means they were loners in a lawless land. They are accountable to no one unless someone chooses to enact justice/vengeance on behalf of those they harmed. Exile itself (twice) didn't prove to be enough to make them actually learn to play nice with others. Exactly when you do draw the line and decide they're too dangerous to society to be allowed to live? Sure, we could try to haul them back to the Nexus to put in a prison cell, but it seems an unlikely thing to happen. Thus, we're left with executing them for their crimes because leaving them alone doesn't work. Theory. I'm talking about feels. Blame doesn't need to make total sense. (I 'want' it to happen because I like the drama.) |
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