Couple months out, anyone change their opinion on the game/characters?

I'm on my second playthrough. On my first, I didn't care for Liam, much like many others, in the least. I never really gave him a chance and he sat on the ship the entire game except for the very beginning and his loyalty mission. On this playthrough I made a conscious decision that I would take him with me on missions just like anyone else to experience his content.

He's... actually not all that bad. I might even like him slightly better than Vetra now and he's not nearly as boring as I thought he was. His banter with Jaal in the Nomad is pretty entertaining. Basically he's a scared, overcompensating kid. He even admits in the Nomad he's scared about what will happen since so much has gone wrong already. I almost feel protective of him. Kind of like an annoying little brother.

If you side with Reyes, Jaal will be in Sloane's old hangout, near Sloane's chair and you can tell Jaal to shut up, when he starts complaining. 

What don't you like about Avitus Rix? I haven't played where I didn't make him a Pathfinder and I think he really comes through if you do that, but I can see he might not be so great if you allow him to become a drunk. 

Haha NEVER take Jaal to Kadara or Elaaden. Everywhere else is fine. He shares history on Havarl and talks of the struggles against the Kett on Voeld. On Eos he is happy with the colony we built and wants people to live normal lives and not just work all the time.

Second PT vs 1st PT:

Gods, I love, love, love Nomad. Fully upgraded, yeah, baby! Not like Mako at all. Initially, I almost had a moment there, trying to drive it out of the shed on Eos.

I am gradually disliking Jaal more and more. I actually was dismayed I had to take him into the party.

I absolutely love Drack. I never talked to him or took him in the party on 1st PT. I just could not get over the "why Krogan again? why me?" feeling. But he is far more digestable than krogans overall are.

I also dunno what and when it happened, but when I started my NG+ and Liam showed up, I was actually uber-happy to see him, so somewhere along the line he became likable.

I also lean more and more in favor of the M!Ryder as I listen to him more.

Argh, I gotta finish my DA2 run and then wrap up my Andromeda #2.

Unfortunately I agree regarding Vetra.  My first play, like I said above, Liam was my least like squadmate.  As such, I never used him.  However, as the game progressed I began to find Vetra to be extremely boring and I began using her only to have a Turian on my crew and the fact that her rifle can have an extremely fast rate of fire.  I think the rest of the companions are great and pretty interesting as characters... but Vetra...

My second playthrough?  She's taken over Liam's duty to guard the ship, sadly.  She's not a very compelling character, and her side story and background aren't utilized in very good ways.  She has a very interesting story on paper.  A Turian outside of the military hierarchy who works within the black market and manipulation.  Her mother ranked highly in the Turian military and her father was special operations and in to some sort of shady dealings so she knows the ropes very well but doesn't adhere to them.  In fact, I'm not totally unconvinced of the fan theory that her father is Saren, honestly, which could have made her character FAR more compelling.  And I usually dismiss a lot of fan theories and don't buy in to them.  Maybe I'm just reaching for SOMETHING that makes her an interesting character because I typically love Turians and want to have one on my team.  However, in practice, she was a very flat character.  Her parental past is a small part of her character, they focus far too much time on her sister, who isn't compelling in the least, and her black market connections are more or less throw-away lines like when you land on Kadara for the first time.  There are times when something begins to speckle through, like her feeling burdened by taking on a parental role to her sister, but then they fizzle away.

It just seems like they had an idea but didn't know how to put it in to practice with her.  She even seems to have the least amount of squad content as well.  She's got some good lines in the Nomad, her voice actress seems great but I spent far less time being able to talk to her on the Tempest and her loyalty mission was the only one that can't really be tied in to SOME main plot thread of the overall game.

It's a shame.  I really wanted a good Turian on the ship.  It's not that I dislike Vetra and want her out of the game.... It's just the more I play the game the more I think she could have been on the ship as a non-companion like Gil, Kallo or Suvi in the role of requisitions officer.  We could have talked to her the same as she is now as well as purchased and sold goods to her instead of having a computer screen to do that.  Then we could have freed up the squad room for a different character.  Perhaps a Salarian STG operative. 

The mental image there is great

Generally, same opinion on Andromeda now as when I finished it. A solid B of a game. Entertaining, but not particularly compelling or interesting. It's funny--I think while I was actually playing the games, ME:A was a lot more fun than DA:I. But DA:I's lore, characters, and future plot hooks held my attention for a long, long time after I'd finished playing. I don't think ME:A has the same staying power.

I am the other way around. The more time passes, the less I like the Inquisition, the more I like Andromeda. For me it was always an effort to not fall into childish rants about Inquisition, and I try to be fair, because in the end of the day, I believe I will purchase DA4 if available, and I like knowing whom people talk about when they talk about Inquisition, but overall, I simply did not like the game. I am compelled to replay it to see if being more familiar with it will make it more appealing, but save for trying one particular romance there is nothing else that I calls to me, so it feels like 50 hours to experience a few minutes of dialogue & to see if Exalted Plains still bore me. In Andromeda, overall, the game is just fun, so trying a different relationship is not even a must, I might just end up simply romancing Reyes every time I replay after I check out the last dialogue with Liam.  There is really only one character I liked a LOT in Inquisition, and I 've already done everything the game has to offer with him...

Easily one of my fav's. 


Drack, I think, is saved from this because Drack adds another dimension to the known krogan formula - a very old, broken guy ("worthless") and he has a well-written personal story where he finds life left to live in taking care of his granddaughter.  He also contributes as a voice for his people and their bid to try and establish a better place in this new galaxy.  So, I don't think he falls into the pit of offering nothing with his character.

You've got to hand it to him tho, it must've taken him ages to sew all those little mini-fans onto the back of it, just so he could stand there and look quietly heroic at a minutes notice.

I continued to like Liam more. I thought I'd be bored on the second game with him since I romanced him in the first game. I was impressed that the argument with him after his loyalty mission didn't cut off the romance. I thought it made a relationship more realistic and honest, that his interest was genuine that he still wanted to get serious despite the previous headbutting. He's a passionate guy who puts in a lot of effort and when I explored other dialogue, it was more of the same thing that I liked about his character so that's why it continued to get better.

I find myself liking the angarians less and less now that the newness has worn off. I can't put my finger on it. There's nothing wrong with them per se, but the race doesn't click for me. Unfortunately Jaal's newness has also worn off and I realized I barely brought him out on my second game. I dig his bromance with Liam though. They have a good rapport.

Vetra made a good impression on me in the first game. It wasn't until the second that I truly realized how little content I had with her. I would religiously make my rounds on the Tempest after every mission, whatever, to see if the crew had anything new to say. Vetra just didn't have much to say. I started to wonder if maybe her word budget went to her romance dialogue. I didn't really know. Shame because I do like the idea of her character.

Drack is awesome. I love the krogans. They're the Mass Effect equivalent of Dragon Age dwarves. I will never get tired of them.

I like Cora. I feel there are a few missed opportunities for her in defining her relationship with Ryder (outside of the romance) -- she should be able to get mad at Ryder for not outing Sarissa and Ryder should be able to tell her about Alec's final memory to give her some closure about why she wasn't chosen to be the next Pathfinder.

I get what you mean, they seem too perfect to me.  Like an idealised race made by folks who want the world to be all daisies and buttercups.  There was no bite, no flaw in them that made them real.  All the trilogy species have that, bad habits and traditions, anger management issues or snootiness or whatever, but the Angara were perfectly perfect in every way.  

I know what you mean. You know to go off topic, one thing I love about DA Origins is how grubby it is. Racism, hate, imprisonment, a caste system...it gave my Warden something to fight for and made the world real.