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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 21:47:06 GMT
I was very hesitant about a new set of twins after the lacklustre Carver and Bethany I have to admit, but after playing Andromeda I ended up rather liking the Ryder twins. They seemed close in the little interaction they had together which I never really felt about the DA2 twins. Yes they both miss the other but that's kind of it, little is mentioned of the bond between them.
Also in DA2 you get barely anything from the other twin, whereas they still feature in Andromeda.
What do you think, if you've played both DA2 and ME:A which set do you think BioWare did better?
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Post by Catilina on May 17, 2017 21:50:31 GMT
Bethany/Carver.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 21:58:07 GMT
Ryders. I loved it that the sibling had a special role in the game, and I *really* loved that I could design both, and play as both in subsequent PTs. Bethany/Carver felt odd as starting character, and also you have no choice which one to keep, even if you played a rogue and would rather keep Carver.
And, even if you did not ask, Alec and Ellen > Macolm + Leandra
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 23:40:50 GMT
I always wanted to see more of Carver/Bethany interaction, but still they're the best twins along side with Jacob/Evie Frye
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Post by crazydiamondp4 on May 19, 2017 2:46:34 GMT
I would have preferred to have seen more interaction between Bethany and Carver, but I guess all the fan made story and comics have to help fill in the blanks. Beth and Carver are more preferable to me as playing Hawke makes you have a big sibling protection instinct towards them which might explain why I enjoy them more than the Ryder twins.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 8:31:33 GMT
I can't judge Scott and Sera because I haven't played ME:A so Carver and Bethany it is.
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Post by themikefest on May 19, 2017 13:07:22 GMT
B/C
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 20:37:21 GMT
Making this poll in a Dragon Age section more or less guaranties that B/C will lead. Should've made it in a more neutral place
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Post by sjsharp2010 on May 20, 2017 21:03:26 GMT
I was very hesitant about a new set of twins after the lacklustre Carver and Bethany I have to admit, but after playing Andromeda I ended up rather liking the Ryder twins. They seemed close in the little interaction they had together which I never really felt about the DA2 twins. Yes they both miss the other but that's kind of it, little is mentioned of the bond between them. Also in DA2 you get barely anything from the other twin, whereas they still feature in Andromeda. What do you think, if you've played both DA2 and ME:A which set do you think BioWare did better? tbh I'm not suer as I think both were done well and I can't really say other than the fact that I thought Carver was a bit of a jerk whereas I like Bethany. Whereas I think both Scott and Sara were both level headed and loved and respected each other for what they were doing.
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Post by dragontartare on May 22, 2017 3:19:24 GMT
Not really a fair comparison, since Bethany and Carver weren't in the game together for very long. For sibling relationships, I like Hawke/Bethany more than Scott/Sara, at least partially because I care about Hawke a lot more than I care about Sara. I may feel stronger about it once I've finished MEA. I'm 43 hours in and waiting to finish my MET playthrough before I go back to MEA, but (MEA spoilers inside): Sara has had one conversation with Scott so far after he woke up, plus I've seen one memory with the whole family, and while they are nice, I feel like I don't have all the information. I need to see them together more.
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Post by mmoblitz on May 22, 2017 18:11:23 GMT
B/C without a doubt. I didn't care for either Ryder.
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Post by Exile Isan on May 24, 2017 4:23:21 GMT
Scott/Sara. Mostly because I've never really liked Bethany, but Carver is my favorite DA character ever. So I only really like half the set. And I like both Scott and Sara.
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Post by Sah291 on May 25, 2017 14:23:55 GMT
I liked Scott & Sara and the concept of playable siblings for MEA a lot. They don't top Carver & Beth or Hawke & Carver for me yet. But I like that they took some inspiration from DA2 for the Ryder twins and gave them a family, with a more personal story. Would like to see more of that. Not sure we will though.
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Post by raikas on May 25, 2017 14:53:37 GMT
I feel like too much of the Ryder twin's time is spent sleeping, so in a way I feel like I have to judge them separately (if you do a playthrough as each) rather than in relationship to each other. Which is similar to Carver and Bethany really, since they have so little joint screentime my opinion of them is based on having seen them in different playthroughs on their own.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 16, 2017 9:58:32 GMT
I played both, and I choose Carver and Bethany. Hard to describe it, but I got the feeling like their problems and issues are more real, and it's easier for me to identify with them than with Sara & Scott.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 23, 2017 1:35:02 GMT
I like the Carver+Bethany more as it is, but I like the potential of continued Scott+Sara more.
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Post by vertigomez on Jun 30, 2017 3:31:21 GMT
Hard to judge, because with Carver and Beth you're always an outsider - with Sara and Scott, you're one of the twins. Different dynamics.
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Post by tacsear on Jun 30, 2017 9:09:09 GMT
This thread reminds me of how much I hated the class-sibling system in DA2. Just like I hate Hawke/warden ally or Kaidan/Ashley choices. I hate when deaths happen outside your control and you have to choose
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Post by Catilina on Jun 30, 2017 9:36:53 GMT
This thread reminds me of how much I hated the class-sibling system in DA2. Just like I hate Hawke/warden ally or Kaidan/Ashley choices. I hate when deaths happen outside your control and you have to choose I never felt, that when I choose, that Hawke's mage or not, I sacrifice one of the siblings. One of them just dies (sacrifices him/herself, or just hot-headed) I don't know about this, as Hawke. Shepard must choose between two comrades. (But Kaidan better choice to alive: he's a biotic, Ashley just a soldier. Not bad, but not really special. [And Kaidan nicer.])
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Post by tacsear on Jun 30, 2017 10:18:16 GMT
This thread reminds me of how much I hated the class-sibling system in DA2. Just like I hate Hawke/warden ally or Kaidan/Ashley choices. I hate when deaths happen outside your control and you have to choose I never felt, that when I choose, that Hawke's mage or not, I sacrifice one of the siblings. One of them just dies (sacrifices him/herself, or just hot-headed) I don't know about this, as Hawke. Shepard must choose between two comrades. (But Kaidan better choice to alive: he's a biotic, Ashley just a soldier. Not bad, but not really special. [And Kaidan nicer.]) That's even worse than Kaidan/Ashley or Hawke/Warden Ally. I want to see how Bethany interracts with a mage Hawke or Carver with warrior(since they grew up together while Malcom tends to Bethany) Ashley has an actual personality though. But this isn't a ME thread
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Post by Catilina on Jun 30, 2017 10:23:14 GMT
I never felt, that when I choose, that Hawke's mage or not, I sacrifice one of the siblings. One of them just dies (sacrifices him/herself, or just hot-headed) I don't know about this, as Hawke. Shepard must choose between two comrades. (But Kaidan better choice to alive: he's a biotic, Ashley just a soldier. Not bad, but not really special. [And Kaidan nicer.]) That's even worse than Kaidan/Ashley or Hawke/Warden Ally. I want to see how Bethany interracts with a mage Hawke or Carver with warrior(since they grew up together while Malcom tends to Bethany) Ashley has an actual personality though. But this isn't a ME thread Yes, I agree, would be better to choose or keep both, but I spoke about, that I never felt bad, when I choose Hawke's spec, and this is not same or even similar, than Kaidan/Ashley or Warden/Hawke decision. (Not ME? Sara, Scott vs. Bethany, Carver...)
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Post by tacsear on Jun 30, 2017 10:40:45 GMT
That's even worse than Kaidan/Ashley or Hawke/Warden Ally. I want to see how Bethany interracts with a mage Hawke or Carver with warrior(since they grew up together while Malcom tends to Bethany) Ashley has an actual personality though. But this isn't a ME thread Yes, I agree, would be better to choose or keep both, but I spoke about, that I never felt bad, when I choose Hawke's spec, and this is not same or even similar, than Kaidan/Ashley or Warden/Hawke decision. (Not ME? Sara, Scott vs. Bethany, Carver...) Shit that's true I think it would've been much better if both make to Kirkwall alive and you would be forced to take only one of them to deep roads.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 30, 2017 10:54:31 GMT
Yes, I agree, would be better to choose or keep both, but I spoke about, that I never felt bad, when I choose Hawke's spec, and this is not same or even similar, than Kaidan/Ashley or Warden/Hawke decision. (Not ME? Sara, Scott vs. Bethany, Carver...) Shit that's true I think it would've been much better if both make to Kirkwall alive and you would be forced to take only one of them to deep roads. By the way, this is about that makes Hawke's decision more difficult: if Carver is Templar, Mage Hawke have a half-acceptable reason to support the Templars (Meredith!). Not because this is the right way, but because perhaps Hawke finally wants to avoid the fight against his/her brother, and the possibility of to kill him (I used this reason for my Templar end – It was not much better, but somehow explainable). Or perhaps, warrior/rogue Hawke feel, that Meredith's right, and do nothing wrong, and Kirkwall Circle and executing the mages are a fine thing, but perhaps for Circle Mage Bethany, s/he can change his/her mind. So: as I see, only mage Hawke can have a somehow acceptable reason to siding with Meredith, at the finish, and this reason is his/her remained family: the idiot Carver. Summa summarum: if you want a mage because you want to support mage freedom, then Carver can prevent you, and if you want a warrior/rogue to support the Templars, Bethany can prevent you.
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Post by tacsear on Jun 30, 2017 12:40:34 GMT
Shit that's true I think it would've been much better if both make to Kirkwall alive and you would be forced to take only one of them to deep roads. By the way, this is about that makes Hawke's decision more difficult: if Carver is Templar, Mage Hawke have a half-acceptable reason to support the Templars (Meredith!). Not because this is the right way, but because perhaps Hawke finally wants to avoid the fight against his/her brother, and the possibility of to kill him (I used this reason for my Templar end – It was not much better, but somehow explainable). Or perhaps, warrior/rogue Hawke feel, that Meredith's right, and do nothing wrong, and Kirkwall Circle and executing the mages are a fine thing, but perhaps for Circle Mage Bethany, s/he can change his/her mind. So: as I see, only mage Hawke can have a somehow acceptable reason to siding with Meredith, at the finish, and this reason is his/her remained family: the idiot Carver. Summa summarum: if you want a mage because you want to support mage freedom, then Carver can prevent you, and if you want a warrior/rogue to support the Templars, Bethany can prevent you. What if I don't want anyone to prevent me. I want to kill mages side by side with Carver or have mage siblings fight against templars. That would've made the game a lot better while adding more to the Carver/Bethany relationship. And since you would have to take one with you, they wouldn't have to confront each other
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Post by Catilina on Jun 30, 2017 14:15:51 GMT
By the way, this is about that makes Hawke's decision more difficult: if Carver is Templar, Mage Hawke have a half-acceptable reason to support the Templars (Meredith!). Not because this is the right way, but because perhaps Hawke finally wants to avoid the fight against his/her brother, and the possibility of to kill him (I used this reason for my Templar end – It was not much better, but somehow explainable). Or perhaps, warrior/rogue Hawke feel, that Meredith's right, and do nothing wrong, and Kirkwall Circle and executing the mages are a fine thing, but perhaps for Circle Mage Bethany, s/he can change his/her mind. So: as I see, only mage Hawke can have a somehow acceptable reason to siding with Meredith, at the finish, and this reason is his/her remained family: the idiot Carver. Summa summarum: if you want a mage because you want to support mage freedom, then Carver can prevent you, and if you want a warrior/rogue to support the Templars, Bethany can prevent you. What if I don't want anyone to prevent me. I want to kill mages side by side with Carver or have mage siblings fight against templars. That would've made the game a lot better while adding more to the Carver/Bethany relationship. And since you would have to take one with you, they wouldn't have to confront each other Carver doesn't want to kill the mages (this is clear, if he's Grey Warden and Hawke supports the Templars), Carver just a naive defiant idiot... and Aveline refused him. Of course, this would interesting, but the intention was not this. And: the people can't choose, who should die in his family, and who should live (if they not a psychopath murderer...).
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