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Post by Psychevore on Nov 26, 2018 18:53:49 GMT
I, normally, disregard any game out of hand when it's first person. Not my kinda thing.
But I was really impressed with the 48 minute gameplay trailer, so I might actually play this game.
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Post by Vortex13 on Nov 27, 2018 17:30:10 GMT
Cyberpunk 2020’s ‘cyberpsychosis’ mechanic, in which players who overly augment themselves with cyberware start to see a negative effect on their mental health, will form part of the game – though CD Projekt won’t go into details. As a quest designer, the Faustian bargain behind transhumanism is fascinating to Patrick Mills. “All the travails of the flesh fade away, and you become a perfect machine of chrome. But you had to buy those body parts from someone, and now you’re in debt to them; if you need parts, you’ve got to go to their store. You have this very utopian idea of being liberated by technology. And it’s like, not so fast – you haven’t solved the problems. Tbh, if there is one thing I didn't like in 2020 it's cyberpsychosis. Or at least it's interpretation. Addiction to technology, isolation, depression: aggression should only be one part of it transforms individual. This. I really hope that Cyberpunk 2077 doesn't treat augmentations as a quasi morality meter; as in (for example) if you chrome up past a certain threshold you are automatically locked into the 'bad ending'. I would also like the game to avoid approaching cyberpsychosis in any way that promotes the idea that transhumanism is 'evil' or wrong. I have no problems with certain in-game NPCs who espouse such philosophies, and for having both good and bad examples on either side of the argument, but I don't want the developers, and in turn the game itself, to take a specific stance on the subject. Ideally, cyberpsychosis should be a temporary condition; a series of detriments to the character that they have to work through as they adjust to the new chrome, but it should never be a permanent derangement, and never one that completely flies in the face of the character's existing personality. If I opt to put my brain in a jar, inside a metal tank, in pursuit of a total droid conversion (for instance) then I should suffer initial drawbacks naturally, due to the alien nature of such heavy augmentation, but given enough time I should be able to recover. A person being fitted with prosthetic legs in the real world doesn't go run a marathon the moment they get their new limbs installed, but that doesn't mean they eventually can't. Said person also doesn't suddenly develop an unquenchable need to step on babies or kick puppies out of nowhere because of the augmentations either. Again, I have no problems with the game showcasing a cyber psycho, who is the stereotypical maniac that wants to murder everything in sight, but I feel the game should also point out that such mental breaks was not the sole responsibility of the technology. After all, a person who gets a gun arm installed, and then uses it to shoot up a mall in Night City would have done so even without the chrome in question as that is the type of person they were. All the augmentation process does is give them less reason to not engage in such destructive behavior, it does not however, make them do such things.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Nov 29, 2018 17:40:51 GMT
I can only shake my head at the idea of totally skipping a potentially amazing experience because of First Person. Unless you legit have motion sickness, which most people do not, then to me it's simply silly. I cannot imagine a world where I never played Deus Ex, Halo, and many other amazing games because of something so trivial. Never mind that like 80% of people play games like TES and Fallout etc almost exclusively in first person when stuff is actually happening, aka not just walking around town.
This looks like it could quite possibly be Game of the Century, if they can live up to that Demo, I cannot imagine anything dissuading me from giving CDPR my money. If they didn't earn your trust after Witcher 3 then there is nothing that will. And to say you will pass on this game because of something as trivial as First Person, if you do not suffer from motion sickness, simply tells me you do not trust CDPR, at all, to craft an amazing experience, or their creative vision, and I don't see how anyone who loved Witcher 3 can hold such a belief.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Nov 30, 2018 17:09:26 GMT
1PP will not stop me from getting the game if it is great. I prefer 3PP, but I do not have a motion sickness issue. The only thing that ever made me feel sick playing games is Geth "Hunter Mode", but you get used to it.
If the gameplay doesn't feel a lot better than any of the Witcher games, then this is an easy pass. Fuck button mashing bullshit, give me something that takes some thought and skill.
The actual gameplay of the Witcher games is crap.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 21:20:22 GMT
1PP will not stop me from getting the game if it is great. I prefer 3PP, but I do not have a motion sickness issue. The only thing that ever made me feel sick playing games is Geth "Hunter Mode", but you get used to it. If the gameplay doesn't feel a lot better than any of the Witcher games, then this is an easy pass. Fuck button mashing bullshit, give me something that takes some thought and skill. The actual gameplay of the Witcher games is crap.Fuckin... ...Brother!
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Post by slimgrin727 on Nov 30, 2018 22:27:27 GMT
It's funny that every franchise I hear about has 'crap combat', all the way down to Street Fighter, For Honor, Tekken, Raiden and Dark Souls. So...calling bullshit here. Yeah. And if you guys think CDPR hasn't shown an ability to improve...lol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 22:33:06 GMT
It's funny that every franchise I hear about has 'crap combat', all the way down to Street Fighter, For Honor, Tekken, Raiden and Dark Souls. So...calling bullshit here. Yeah. And if you guys think CDPR hasn't shown an ability to improve...lol. You've got me completely wrong then. You could have easily checked my history to see how much I defend TW Series as a whole. As for crap combat about the other games...I've never heard that at all. So 0-2 for you! Get Rekt...lol
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Nov 30, 2018 22:39:20 GMT
It's funny that every franchise I hear about has 'crap combat', all the way down to Street Fighter, For Honor, Tekken, Raiden and Dark Souls. So...calling bullshit here. Yeah. And if you guys think CDPR hasn't shown an ability to improve...lol. Street Fighter - an average player can get beat by a smart button masher that understands that light = fast and heavy = slow. A skilled player that knows the combos will destroy both. Can be mashed, can also be skilled. The Witcher gameplay makes Alpha Protocol gameplay look acceptable. It is not. KotOR has crap gameplay, always has. I love it. Crap gameplay isn't the end all/be all, but if the rest of the game isn't very well done it's not gonna work. Calling bullshit, on your bullshit.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Nov 30, 2018 22:47:27 GMT
It's funny that every franchise I hear about has 'crap combat', all the way down to Street Fighter, For Honor, Tekken, Raiden and Dark Souls. So...calling bullshit here. Yeah. And if you guys think CDPR hasn't shown an ability to improve...lol. Street Fighter - an average player can get beat by a smart button masher that understands that light = fast and heavy = slow. A skilled player that knows the combos will destroy both. Can be mashed, can also be skilled. The Witcher gameplay makes Alpha Protocol gameplay look acceptable. It is not. KotOR has crap gameplay, always has. I love it. Crap gameplay isn't the end all/be all, but if the rest of the game isn't very well done it's not gonna work. Calling bullshit, on your bullshit. I can't take this seriously.
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Post by Blast Processor on Nov 30, 2018 23:37:25 GMT
While I don't consider TW3 gameplay to be crap, not by a long shot. I can see why some gamers find it quite lacking. Comparing it to Alpha Protocol is laughable tho.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 0:12:00 GMT
While I don't consider TW3 gameplay to be crap, not by a long shot. I can see why some gamers find it quite lacking. Comparing it to Alpha Protocol is laughable tho. I played all 3 Witcher games and while the combat did improve across them I just never enjoyed them at all. The story though was more than enough to push me through them. MEA is the exact opposite (combat was fun but the story was serviceable at best for me). Of course this is purely my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 0:14:34 GMT
I don't think that TW3 is comparable to Alpha Protocol but TW1 sure as hell is!
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Post by slimgrin727 on Dec 1, 2018 0:28:13 GMT
While I don't consider TW3 gameplay to be crap, not by a long shot. I can see why some gamers find it quite lacking. Comparing it to Alpha Protocol is laughable tho. Look, no serious player calls Street Fighter, or Dragons Dogma or Darks Souls bullshit...and yet...I see it all the time, because reasons. So I don't buy the 'I hate game X cuz combat' anymore..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 0:52:02 GMT
While I don't consider TW3 gameplay to be crap, not by a long shot. I can see why some gamers find it quite lacking. Comparing it to Alpha Protocol is laughable tho. Look, no serious player calls Street Fighter, or Dragons Dogma or Darks Souls bullshit...and yet...I see it all the time, because reasons. So I don't buy the 'I hate game X cuz combat' anymore.. I've honestly never once heard someone call Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen combat shit. That's the main thing it's praised for! I've put close to 1k hours in that game and still love it! Story and character interaction could be a lot better though but it was serviceable enough.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Dec 1, 2018 0:58:22 GMT
Look, no serious player calls Street Fighter, or Dragons Dogma or Darks Souls bullshit...and yet...I see it all the time, because reasons. So I don't buy the 'I hate game X cuz combat' anymore.. I've honestly never once heard someone call Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen combat shit. That's the main thing it's praised for! I've put close to 1k hours in that game and still love it! Story and character interaction could be a lot better though but it was serviceable enough. You clearly haven't met the bunch of Dark Souls players, who claim everything is shit...without realizing Dark Souls ripped off Blade of Darkness.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 1:19:41 GMT
I've honestly never once heard someone call Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen combat shit. That's the main thing it's praised for! I've put close to 1k hours in that game and still love it! Story and character interaction could be a lot better though but it was serviceable enough. You clearly haven't met the bunch of Dark Souls players, who claim everything is shit...without realizing Dark Souls ripped off Blade of Darkness. I personally love both (with the exception of DS2).I love the lore of Dark Souls and the combat of DDDA. But I guess I could see some elitist DS players get their panties in a wad over other games...
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Post by slimgrin727 on Dec 1, 2018 1:28:52 GMT
You clearly haven't met the bunch of Dark Souls players, who claim everything is shit...without realizing Dark Souls ripped off Blade of Darkness. I personally love both (with the exception of DS2).I love the lore of Dark Souls and the combat of DDDA. But I guess I could see some elitist DS players get their panties in a wad over other games... Dude, FROM completely ripped off Blade of Darkness and they got credit for trying something 'new' because they also integrated old NES save state mechanics. Everything had been done before and the critics were like OMG IT'S REVOLUTIONARY.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 2:26:23 GMT
I personally love both (with the exception of DS2).I love the lore of Dark Souls and the combat of DDDA. But I guess I could see some elitist DS players get their panties in a wad over other games... Dude, FROM completely ripped off Blade of Darkness and they got credit for trying something 'new' because they also integrated old NES save state mechanics. Everything had been done before and the critics were like OMG IT'S REVOLUTIONARY. I'd never call Dark Souls revolutionary but it is fun as hell. I've been playing then since Demon Souls and I just love a game that doesn't hold your hand. And even though the game really doesn't have a story the lore more than makes up for it. Dragon's Dogma is a little different where as it has a decent enough story minus the lore. It's hard to take hardcore elitist of any game seriously. I love Bloodborne more than Dark Souls but my buddy is the exact opposite. In fact he hates it!
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 1, 2018 17:22:15 GMT
Street Fighter - an average player can get beat by a smart button masher that understands that light = fast and heavy = slow. A skilled player that knows the combos will destroy both. Can be mashed, can also be skilled. The Witcher gameplay makes Alpha Protocol gameplay look acceptable. It is not. KotOR has crap gameplay, always has. I love it. Crap gameplay isn't the end all/be all, but if the rest of the game isn't very well done it's not gonna work. Calling bullshit, on your bullshit. I can't take this seriously. Hmmm. Why? Now we are talking, I think. I was genuine in my post. To add - I thought the Witcher 1 had the best gameplay in the series. Clunky, almost turn-based, but the powers were fun and interesting, there was some situational awareness things that depending on build, you could exploit in-game in a good way, feel powerful and Witcher-like. TW2 - press button faster and more. TW3 - lol. Gameplay > Graphical Fidelity Multiple Key Combat > Mash muh button At some point I will play story mode on TW3, just to see it with my own eyes. The writing and sense of humor in TW series is pretty great imo. Does this provide more/sufficient context? More confusion? What exactly do you feel I'm disingenuous about?
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Post by slimgrin727 on Dec 2, 2018 5:17:47 GMT
I can't take this seriously. Hmmm. Why? Now we are talking, I think. I was genuine in my post. To add - I thought the Witcher 1 had the best gameplay in the series. Clunky, almost turn-based, but the powers were fun and interesting, there was some situational awareness things that depending on build, you could exploit in-game in a good way, feel powerful and Witcher-like. TW2 - press button faster and more. TW3 - lol. Gameplay > Graphical Fidelity Multiple Key Combat > Mash muh button At some point I will play story mode on TW3, just to see it with my own eyes. The writing and sense of humor in TW series is pretty great imo. Does this provide more/sufficient context? More confusion? What exactly do you feel I'm disingenuous about? I'm fan-boying and I'm sorry. Don't like the combat, I get it. Here's something on topic:
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Just going to put this right here. Make sure to enlarge the image.
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Post by Psychedelic on Dec 24, 2018 1:17:39 GMT
Just going to put this right here. Make sure to enlarge the image. They could at least have said 2077 instead of 2099. Missed opportunity. But seriously, how long in advance have other games been available for pre-order? Doesn't make much sense to me if it's more than one year till release, so Cyberpunk in 2019, perhaps just in a few months?
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 24, 2018 2:54:35 GMT
Just going to put this right here. Make sure to enlarge the image. They could at least have said 2077 instead of 2099. Missed opportunity. But seriously, how long in advance have other games been available for pre-order? Doesn't make much sense to me if it's more than one year till release, so Cyberpunk in 2019, perhaps just in a few months? I read about this somewhere else and had to post it. I have no idea why Amazon UK would do this. Maybe they're less serious in the UK and thought they would make fun of how long it's taking them to make the game. Plus side, Cyberpunk 2077 will almost certainly be a truly finished product, not as buggy as most other modern games.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 24, 2018 3:48:51 GMT
They could at least have said 2077 instead of 2099. Missed opportunity. But seriously, how long in advance have other games been available for pre-order? Doesn't make much sense to me if it's more than one year till release, so Cyberpunk in 2019, perhaps just in a few months? I read about this somewhere else and had to post it. I have no idea why Amazon UK would do this. Maybe they're less serious in the UK and thought they would make fun of how long it's taking them to make the game. Plus side, Cyberpunk 2077 will almost certainly be a truly finished product, not as buggy as most other modern games. I wouldn't give that crown to CDPR for a "finished product" they had their fair share of problems at release with The Witcher 3, including a save game corruption bug.
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