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Post by witchcocktor on Jun 28, 2019 17:58:19 GMT
The obligation to do the absolute minimum when it comes to minority characters is in contrast to the obligation to create white, straight characters for main roles. I don't think there is any push back to a franchise that majorly features white straight people (when it comes to franchises made in corporate surroundings and to maximize profit) but there's definitely push back in minority characters being majorly featured (in blockbusters and video games especially, though there is some change in that, as well as a bunch of opposing voices too). This is of course my perceived opinion on the matter and the state of entertainment. You'll probably have your own view on the situation. I never implied I wanted social commentary though. Just give me some good well-written minority characters in visible, important roles. At this point we'd have to talk about specific examples. For instance, CDPR got a lot of criticism for not including racial minorities in the Witcher 3 and the same happened with Kingdom Come Deliverence. I'm sure you can easily find articles, twitter shitstorms and whatnot if you search for it, and in those 2 cases lack of racial minorities was completely justified by the setting. I can also recall another shitstorm after announcment that Scarlett Johannson is going to play a transgender character - she decided not to start in the movie because of that. That's just of the top of my head, I'm sure there's been more.
When it comes to video games, even Bioware got a lot of "push back" regarding Jaal, Gil and some transgender character.
Conversely, I can't recall any of that with Black Panther movie, or Luke Cage series.
Most of the criticism regarding casting racial minority actors in major franchises happens when it's inconsistent with how those characters were previously described in source material, when it doesn't suit the setting or when it's completely forced. I gues that last one is something you also don't appreciate.
The social commentary part is what I think the producers of different shows have in mind, it probably doesn't come from the writers.
I mean you can just google Black Panther trolls, or the Last Jedi trolls. And it doesn't take a deep dive into 4chan to see the cesspool that it becomes when minorities get major roles. And if you are going to say '' well that's just trolling, none of that matters, it's just 4chan '' then I think the same principle can be said about some select few people getting up in arms about Witcher or KCD. I personally haven't seen anyone SERIOUSLY complain about Witcher's lack of representation or whatever. Bioware got shit flung at them from both sides of the fence. I don't really know what forced means. It's a buzzword that nobody knows how to explain or which everyone has different definition on.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jun 29, 2019 5:00:11 GMT
At this point we'd have to talk about specific examples. For instance, CDPR got a lot of criticism for not including racial minorities in the Witcher 3 and the same happened with Kingdom Come Deliverence. I'm sure you can easily find articles, twitter shitstorms and whatnot if you search for it, and in those 2 cases lack of racial minorities was completely justified by the setting. I can also recall another shitstorm after announcment that Scarlett Johannson is going to play a transgender character - she decided not to start in the movie because of that. That's just of the top of my head, I'm sure there's been more.
When it comes to video games, even Bioware got a lot of "push back" regarding Jaal, Gil and some transgender character.
Conversely, I can't recall any of that with Black Panther movie, or Luke Cage series.
Most of the criticism regarding casting racial minority actors in major franchises happens when it's inconsistent with how those characters were previously described in source material, when it doesn't suit the setting or when it's completely forced. I gues that last one is something you also don't appreciate.
The social commentary part is what I think the producers of different shows have in mind, it probably doesn't come from the writers.
I mean you can just google Black Panther trolls, or the Last Jedi trolls. And it doesn't take a deep dive into 4chan to see the cesspool that it becomes when minorities get major roles. And if you are going to say '' well that's just trolling, none of that matters, it's just 4chan '' then I think the same principle can be said about some select few people getting up in arms about Witcher or KCD. I personally haven't seen anyone SERIOUSLY complain about Witcher's lack of representation or whatever. Last Jedi Russian troll bots is a poor attempt by Disney's PR to dismiss legitimate criticism of a mediocre film while anonymous 4channel posters shitposting on /tv/ or /co/ didn't stop Black Panther from breaking the box office records for it's time, or from being a critical success. The difference between these two and The Witcher is that the latter was attacked by ideologically driven professional journalists, and critics who hold more sway in the public court of opinion than some randos on a backwater site. Hell the Witcher's lack of the melanin enriched in fantasy medieval Poland has been such a huge subject of debate from all corners in the community that a simple google search would expose it. www.google.com/search?safe=off&hl=en&q=The+witcher+lacks+diversity&oq=The+witcher+lacks+diversity&aqs=heirloom-srp.. www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/06/04/should-the-witcher-3-feature-people-of-color/#24018fdc7e28www.gamezone.com/news/developer-slams-polygon-over-the-witcher-3-wild-hunt-review-3416520/Even Netflix's writers for the Witcher are aware of it.
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Post by cankiie on Jun 29, 2019 6:08:00 GMT
Dear cake. Good thing I actually double-checked who this article was from That said, I am genuinely curious to see what differences the non-male non-female character creator provides. And if we'll ever see it make a difference throughout the game in anything but our romance option... although I would assume it won't even make a difference in romances. But I do have a lot of doubts about just how far CDPR might push this. So far I expect it to be just a far less buggy version of a Bethesda open world game, but without being able to mod the crap out of it.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Jun 29, 2019 18:24:01 GMT
I cant wait to see the CC, i might spend the first 2 hours of the game in it.
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Post by dagless on Jun 30, 2019 15:48:09 GMT
Last Jedi Russian troll bots is a poor attempt by Disney's PR to dismiss legitimate criticism of a mediocre film Hahaha! So the real collusion was between Russia and Disney? How did Mueller miss that? I’m calling Occam’s Razor on this- there’s just a lot of knob heads in world. Some whinge about under representation in everything, some whinge about any representation in anything. The louder and stupider the argument, the more attention they get. The Onion article is genius.
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Post by Tittus on Jun 30, 2019 19:11:55 GMT
I cant wait to see the CC, i might spend the first 2 hours of the game in it. It seems that the CC will be quite simple, just about 10 options for each feature and no slides.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jul 1, 2019 2:54:12 GMT
Gee, its almost like a gang of violent criminals are not really the nicest people to be around. I really hope we get the Red Chrome Legion in the game because I think the reviewing community would flip their shit over them if they are getting freaked out by the Animals lol. I mean seriously they are the same as any group in the vein as the Voodoo Boys or Sacred Blades. Red Chrome Legion would give them something to really freak out about, I mean I wonder how they feel about Crucifixion of ethnic minorities
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Post by slimgrin727 on Jul 1, 2019 3:54:31 GMT
Gee, its almost like a gang of violent criminals are not really the nicest people to be around. I really hope we get the Red Chrome Legion in the game because I think the reviewing community would flip their shit over them if they are getting freaked out by the Animals lol. I mean seriously they are the same as any group in the vein as the Voodoo Boys or Sacred Blades. Red Chrome Legion would give them something to really freak out about, I mean I wonder how they feel about Crucifixion of ethnic minorities I don't want the game to mirror our current political situation, but I am surprised at how political Pondsmith got...so CDPR can't really avoid it. My hope is the politics are born out of the setting and not some cheap facsimile of our current situation.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jul 1, 2019 4:18:02 GMT
Last Jedi Russian troll bots is a poor attempt by Disney's PR to dismiss legitimate criticism of a mediocre film Hahaha! So the real collusion was between Russia and Disney? How did Mueller miss that? I’m calling Occam’s Razor on this- there’s just a lot of knob heads in world. Some whinge about under representation in everything, some whinge about any representation in anything. The louder and stupider the argument, the more attention they get. The Onion article is genius. This is Morten Bay the researcher who's study with questionable methodology was desperately used by Rian Johnson to dismiss TLJ criticism. Very surreal.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jul 1, 2019 5:01:12 GMT
I really hope we get the Red Chrome Legion in the game because I think the reviewing community would flip their shit over them if they are getting freaked out by the Animals lol. I mean seriously they are the same as any group in the vein as the Voodoo Boys or Sacred Blades. Red Chrome Legion would give them something to really freak out about, I mean I wonder how they feel about Crucifixion of ethnic minorities I don't want the game to mirror our current political situation, but I am surprised at how political Pondsmith got...so CDPR can't really avoid it. My hope is the politics are born out of the setting and not some cheap facsimile of our current situation. Hopefully its merely an evolution of the same political and societal climate that sprung out of 2020 and was thus refined via Red for 77. That's my hope. As for it mirroring modern day politics? Who knows, I hope they stick the in universe issues, there are plenty of them to go around after all.
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Post by Hier0phant on Jul 1, 2019 5:40:27 GMT
I don't want the game to mirror our current political situation, but I am surprised at how political Pondsmith got...so CDPR can't really avoid it. My hope is the politics are born out of the setting and not some cheap facsimile of our current situation. Hopefully its merely an evolution of the same political and societal climate that sprung out of 2020 and was thus refined via Red for 77. That's my hope. As for it mirroring modern day politics? Who knows, I hope they stick the in universe issues, there are plenty of them to go around after all. I hope so too, because Deus Ex Mankind Divided's writers got so caught up in emulating current year social issues that the intrigue surrounding the Illuminati's machinations (series main theme) took a back seat to it.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jul 1, 2019 22:22:56 GMT
archive.is/cWbsySo there's 2 more Cyberpunk games in the making, 1 is MP and the other is unknown. They did say that they plan to release 2 games by 2021, probably CP2077+CPMP.
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Post by GoldenGail3 on Jul 2, 2019 2:36:24 GMT
I don't want the game to mirror our current political situation, but I am surprised at how political Pondsmith got...so CDPR can't really avoid it. My hope is the politics are born out of the setting and not some cheap facsimile of our current situation. Hopefully its merely an evolution of the same political and societal climate that sprung out of 2020 and was thus refined via Red for 77. That's my hope. As for it mirroring modern day politics? Who knows, I hope they stick the in universe issues, there are plenty of them to go around after all. Modern Politics and games do not mix in the same sentence without said game turning into a clusterfuck of stupidity and bad writing.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 4, 2019 6:38:05 GMT
More like Mass Effect. This sounds EXACTLY like Shepard: Nomad (Colonist), Corpo (Spacer), Street Kid (Earthborn).
Sounds promising in any case!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 4, 2019 6:44:05 GMT
More like Mass Effect. This sounds EXACTLY like Shepard: Nomad (Colonist), Corpo (Spacer), Street Kid (Earthborn).
Sounds promising in any case!
I compared it to DAO since it seems that they will each have an unique playable start to the game as well as affect things in the future, whereas with Mass Effect it was just some dialogue and a mission later.
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Post by cankiie on Jul 4, 2019 7:13:49 GMT
More like Mass Effect. This sounds EXACTLY like Shepard: Nomad (Colonist), Corpo (Spacer), Street Kid (Earthborn).
Sounds promising in any case!
I compared it to DAO since it seems that they will each have an unique playable start to the game as well as affect things in the future, whereas with Mass Effect it was just some dialogue and a mission later. Sounds more like DAO, I agree. That'll be interesting.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jul 4, 2019 7:41:15 GMT
Wew now I can realize 4 cases of plagiarism for Cyperpunk 2077 (and the whole franchise), and no amount of CDProject fanboyism can change that.
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Post by cankiie on Jul 4, 2019 12:12:03 GMT
Wew now I can realize 4 cases of plagiarism for Cyperpunk 2077 (and the whole franchise), and no amount of CDProject fanboyism can change that. Oooh, we talking legalities now? You got my attention, go on.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jul 4, 2019 13:16:08 GMT
Wew now I can realize 4 cases of plagiarism for Cyperpunk 2077 (and the whole franchise), and no amount of CDProject fanboyism can change that. Oooh, we talking legalities now? You got my attention, go on. Deus Ex series, Hardwired, Mass Effect, Blade Runner etc. Also it's nothing that new to predict a gloomy degenerated dystopian future. Huxley, Spengler and Schumpeter for example have their own predictions of future... it can be said that Cyberpunk's is a mixture of them! Not really plagiarism, but very close inspirations (aka not that creative). Just saying that some people are like Cyberpunk's cultists, too much hype... even ME2 and DA2 b4 their releases didn't have such fans. But yeah it may have something to do with Witcher fans uniting with Deus Ex fans or something.
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Post by cankiie on Jul 4, 2019 15:06:42 GMT
Yeah... I thought so. but very close inspirations (aka not that creative) A bird told me that this happens quite often, especially within the fantasy-genre. That said. Cyberpunk 2077 is based on the roleplaying game Cyberpunk 2020 which was first published by R. Talsorian Games back in 1988 (At that time it was known as just Cyberpunk, the second edition released in 1990 became Cyberpunk 2020.) The roleplaying game itself was written by Mike Pondsmith who took inspiration from the novel 'Hardwired' (as you stated) written by Walter Jon Williams Just fun facts. I am all for skeptisism and drowning out hype, hype is the killer of the game industry and people should stop getting hyped. But we need to keep the skeptisism in check as well, and actually be skeptical of something more appropriate... such as the gameplay mechanics. And the occasional political activism in video games, of course. Being skeptical about the world itself is mostly moot. Every fictional world is, in varying degrees, copies of other fictional worlds.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Jul 4, 2019 15:37:49 GMT
Oooh, we talking legalities now? You got my attention, go on. Just saying that some people are like Cyberpunk's cultists, too much hype... even ME2 and DA2 b4 their releases didn't have such fans. But yeah it may have something to do with Witcher fans uniting with Deus Ex fans or something.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jul 4, 2019 17:58:52 GMT
but very close inspirations (aka not that creative) A bird told me that this happens quite often, especially within the fantasy-genre. That said. Cyberpunk 2077 is based on the roleplaying game Cyberpunk 2020 which was first published by R. Talsorian Games back in 1988 (At that time it was known as just Cyberpunk, the second edition released in 1990 became Cyberpunk 2020.) The roleplaying game itself was written by Mike Pondsmith who took inspiration from the novel 'Hardwired' (as you stated) written by Walter Jon Williams Just fun facts. I am all for skeptisism and drowning out hype, hype is the killer of the game industry and people should stop getting hyped. But we need to keep the skeptisism in check as well, and actually be skeptical of something more appropriate... such as the gameplay mechanics. And the occasional political activism in video games, of course. Being skeptical about the world itself is mostly moot. Every fictional world is, in varying degrees, copies of other fictional worlds. I mainly agree. What I'm saying is that many franchises are dying or have declined pretty bad while they used to be something more than entertainment or mere basic cultural product. For example Star Wars was like a post-hippie age religion to millions of people around the world, but the sequels killed them for most of the fans and put them into despair. Star Trek, Doctor Who, Harry Potter, DC and Marvel or even GoT worlds have had the same influence but they're in bad shape too. Now in this cultural vacuum among "megalopolitans", Cyberpunk 2077 is the last hope. Unfortunately the pessimistic, nihilistic and hedonistic atmosphere of this game is not the best thing to found a new cult on (unlike Star Wars or DC universe superheroes that have their own mythology for example). Consumption of video games and TV entertainment is in crisis (Or was it a post-crisis phenomena in the first place?) Just a psychological & social observation. Maybe too philosophical for the average consumer, but yeah BSN used to have a lot of philosophically-minded people around ME2-3 era... so maybe I hope people like them aren't completely extinct.
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