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Post by Gwydden on Sept 10, 2019 1:23:02 GMT
Has anyone else noticed that the game's second most popular tag on Steam is already "Masterpiece"? Ugh.
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Post by biggydx on Sept 10, 2019 22:54:33 GMT
Has anyone else noticed that the game's second most popular tag on Steam is already "Masterpiece"? Ugh. Yeah, I hate that type of fanboying too. I'm sure the game will do fine, but that's taking it took far IMO.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Sept 11, 2019 9:52:33 GMT
It's just user generated tags, like 600 games have "Masterpiece" tag, you can ignore them.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Sept 11, 2019 16:13:53 GMT
Sucks they didn't show how they captured Keanu Reeves.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Sept 13, 2019 8:41:34 GMT
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Sept 23, 2019 23:13:37 GMT
God, the internet is going crazy over the game being FPP only again. Do people have collective memory wipe-out weekly or something? I've been checking around for the "the game will now only have FPP cutscenes" (which is what started the complains last night despite not even being recent) and I'll have discovered is that CDPR are saying the same thing as last year: the waste majority of the game is in FPP, cutscenes included. Something that sparked the exact same complains last year. People are even twisting Marcin's " see you character, very occasionally, in cut-scenes" into the cutscenes never showing your character somehow. Some are even claiming the game is changing direction. I can already tell, this game release is going to be AMAZING. I expect a monumental flop, no necessarily in term of sells, but reception-wise. The "3rd person or nothing" people are going to review bomb the hell out of it. Then people who wanted to play something else than a tryhard blowtard mercenary are going to be annoyed. And all the people who wanted Night City to be an idyllic utopia instead of a shithole are going to throw a tantrum (I've seen someone complain about the game having gangs and criminals already). Meh. Someone is always going to complain for a stupid reason, but I doubt a lot of people are going to be quite that irrational. I don't get what the issue is. The game has been evidently first-person since the first gameplay footage. Personally, I'm happy they aren't wasting money trying to implement a lame and half-assed immersion-breaking third-person view Bethesda style. That was never anything except awkward. Seeing V's hairstyle in the occasional mirror and even more occasional cutscene is enough for me.
While I don't support rabid, nonsensical outrage, I understand why some people are changing their minds. I don't care for first-person games, so I don't play them. Other people that like that style have every right to enjoy such games.
Admittedly, I haven't followed the development very closely (I didn't see the news about dropping third-person cutscenes until today), but regarding the "memory wipe" comments, I could have sworn that the game was initially presented as first-person gameplay with third-person cutscenes. Said presentation was the reason I was going to take a chance on CDPR's seemingly highly detailed setting and rich interactivity.
So, I am no longer anticipating, and will no longer purchase, this particular game. It doesn't appeal to me anymore, but it still does to plenty of other gamers, and there is no reason for that to be an issue.
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Post by Noxluxe on Sept 24, 2019 15:59:32 GMT
While I don't support rabid, nonsensical outrage, I understand why some people are changing their minds. I don't care for first-person games, so I don't play them. Other people that like that style have every right to enjoy such games. Admittedly, I haven't followed the development very closely (I didn't see the news about dropping third-person cutscenes until today), but regarding the "memory wipe" comments, I could have sworn that the game was initially presented as first-person gameplay with third-person cutscenes. Said presentation was the reason I was going to take a chance on CDPR's seemingly highly detailed setting and rich interactivity.
So, I am no longer anticipating, and will no longer purchase, this particular game. It doesn't appeal to me anymore, but it still does to plenty of other gamers, and there is no reason for that to be an issue. Huh. That's a shame. Would the notion that every individual purchase of Cyberpunk marginally increases the likelihood of an eventual Witcher 4 sweeten the deal enough to persuade you to get into it anyway? I've no idea if that's actually the case. But maybe? A lot of my favorite games are first-person, and none of them are strictly speaking shooters. I'm curious what you find so unappealing about the style. All I know about the mechanics of the game is from the gameplay demos. Character customization and thoughtful worldbuilding are the only two things I really demand of any RPG - which are pretty much the only games I play. I'll forgive almost anything if a game has those two, and I'll make allowances for one if the other rocks. Only thing that can really take the wind out of my sails is the words "voice-acted" and "dialogue wheel" in sequence. And Cyberpunk mostly dodged that bullet. Really, I'm just excited to see another classic tabletop RPG adapted into something I don't have to hunt through dingy used bookstores and hoover up five awkward geeks in their late thirties, pump them full of sugar and lock them in my living room to be able to enjoy. Companies with far less talent and experience at their disposal than CDProject have made classics in their own right by doing so even semi-faithfully.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Sept 24, 2019 18:33:40 GMT
Wait, what, they dropped third person cutscenes??? O____o
Well, shit! That is terrible news. What the hell is the point of a cyberpunk game with all these implants if I never see them?
What the fuck...
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Sept 24, 2019 21:07:11 GMT
I don't care for first-person games, so I don't play them. Other people that like that style have every right to enjoy such games. Huh. That's a shame. Would the notion that every individual purchase of Cyberpunk marginally increases the likelihood of an eventual Witcher 4 sweeten the deal enough to persuade you to get into it anyway? A lot of my favorite games are first-person, and none of them are strictly speaking shooters. I'm curious what you find so unappealing about the style. I am actually not a Witcher fan either, so I guess that we didn't succeed with that particular Persuasion Check.
Setting aside the point about shooters, I don't care for the disembodied nature of the character, and I am not looking for a self-insert vehicle. I prefer to watch the character interact with its world, and in a lot of cases, I appreciate being able to observe the various customizations (equipment, race, gender, etc.) in play.
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Post by aglomeracja on Sept 24, 2019 21:21:18 GMT
I think FPP worked great in Deus Ex, but they did all conversations and cutscenes in TPP. Never liked FPP conversations because they usually mean that the npc will be walking around the PC talking while the PC is standing still. Way too theatrical, but I guess we'll see how are they going to solve this in Cyberpunk.
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Post by Noxluxe on Sept 24, 2019 22:02:11 GMT
I am actually not a Witcher fan either, so I guess that we didn't succeed with that particular Persuasion Check. Setting aside the point about shooters, I don't care for the disembodied nature of the character, and I am not looking for a self-insert vehicle. I prefer to watch the character interact with its world, and in a lot of cases, I appreciate being able to observe the various customizations (equipment, race, gender, etc.) in play.
Your taste in games confounds me. I always thought of first person as literally being in the skull of the character, being invited to see everything they see and think everything they think and more viscerally try to feel what they feel, receiving impressions as they do. The polar opposite of both disembodiment and self-inserting to my mind. I think FPP worked great in Deus Ex, but they did all conversations and cutscenes in TPP. Never liked FPP conversations because they usually mean that the npc will be walking around the PC talking while the PC is standing still. Way too theatrical, but I guess we'll see how are they going to solve this in Cyberpunk. Huh. I much prefer the feeling of another character looking me in the eye while talking to me about something serious to animated figures of varying quality enacting unnatural movements to make a conversation look dynamic and as little as possible like people just talking, because the player must'n fall asleep. The only times what you're describing ever bothers me are railroady cutscenes where your character just stands there and waits for a betrayal or an accident to happen when any sane person would have ducked for cover or physically tackled whoever was obviously about to cause disaster. And those scenes are frustrating no matter where the camera is viewing from.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Sept 25, 2019 1:52:54 GMT
CDPR is doing good work with the game but hardly being able to see your character is a huge mistake in my opinion. A lot of people are into character creation and a big part of character creation is being able to see your character. Especially in a cyberpunk game where there are just so many possibilities. They might as well take out cc and just force everyone to play as the junkie white boy from the trailers.
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Post by Tittus on Sept 25, 2019 5:42:24 GMT
I am actually not a Witcher fan either, so I guess that we didn't succeed with that particular Persuasion Check. Setting aside the point about shooters, I don't care for the disembodied nature of the character, and I am not looking for a self-insert vehicle. I prefer to watch the character interact with its world, and in a lot of cases, I appreciate being able to observe the various customizations (equipment, race, gender, etc.) in play.
Your taste in games confounds me. I always thought of first person as literally being in the skull of the character, being invited to see everything they see and think everything they think and more viscerally try to feel what they feel, receiving impressions as they do. The polar opposite of both disembodiment and self-inserting to my mind. I think FPP worked great in Deus Ex, but they did all conversations and cutscenes in TPP. Never liked FPP conversations because they usually mean that the npc will be walking around the PC talking while the PC is standing still. Way too theatrical, but I guess we'll see how are they going to solve this in Cyberpunk. Huh. I much prefer the feeling of another character looking me in the eye while talking to me about something serious to animated figures of varying quality enacting unnatural movements to make a conversation look dynamic and as little as possible like people just talking, because the player must'n fall asleep. The only times what you're describing ever bothera me are railroady cutscenes where your character just stands there and waits for a betrayal or an accident to happen when any sane person would have ducked for cover or physically tackled whoever was obviously about to cause disaster. And those scenes are frustrating no matter where the camera is viewing from. I don’t have any connection whatsoever with my character in first person. You jump or climb and the only thing you see is the camera going up and down, while in third, the ability to see my character movements and facial expressions is an anchor for me.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Sept 25, 2019 12:02:58 GMT
Wait, what, they dropped third person cutscenes??? O____o Well, shit! That is terrible news. What the hell is the point of a cyberpunk game with all these implants if I never see them? What the fuck... For love scenes too. *grimacing* I’d prefer third person as well. Or at least I’d like the voice to be able to switch between the two depending on the situation.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Sept 25, 2019 15:31:02 GMT
For love scenes too. *grimacing* I’d prefer third person as well. Or at least I’d like the voice to be able to switch between the two depending on the situation. Yeah, omg, I read about this, LOL! Video game sex scenes already look so silly from afar, but imagine this in first person! I might need therapy after that.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2019 16:02:36 GMT
For love scenes too. *grimacing* I’d prefer third person as well. Or at least I’d like the voice to be able to switch between the two depending on the situation. Yeah, omg, I read about this, LOL! Video game sex scenes already look so silly from afar, but imagine this in first person! I might need therapy after that. Yeah, I was already hoping for romances that didn't require sex. After reading that now I'm really hoping for non-sex romances.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Sept 25, 2019 16:13:24 GMT
For love scenes too. *grimacing* I’d prefer third person as well. Or at least I’d like the voice to be able to switch between the two depending on the situation. Yeah, omg, I read about this, LOL! Video game sex scenes already look so silly from afar, but imagine this in first person! I might need therapy after that. I know right? If I play this game I’d be staying away from romances. Lol
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Post by Noxluxe on Sept 25, 2019 16:16:48 GMT
I guess this matters to people. I still don't see it though. Not having my own body or clothes in direct view at any given time certainly never stopped me from making an effort with my appearance, or enjoying doing so. We're not cats. If we put something on because we like it and think it suits us then we tend to be capable of trusting that it's still there when we turn our head away from the mirror again. Rather, being constantly made aware of every detail of my appearance tends to make me anxious and self-conscious, and the same can easily go for my characters. Many would be the hours I could have spent doing something constructive instead of replaying the first chapter of an RPG because a tiny unintended flaw in my character creation became more and more glaring, and I couldn't take it anymore. Which obviously isn't to say that I won't still be doing exactly that in Cyberpunk. Yeah, I was already hoping for romances that didn't require sex. After reading that now I'm really hoping for non-sex romances. Considering the naked - though admittedly half-frozen - breasts present in the first half minute of the very first gameplay demo, I wouldn't hold my breath. I could see first-person sex scenes working out though. In the relative sense, at least. There's actually a lot less visibility and more opportunity to focus on the other character's face as opposed to their entire body - depending on position. The sex scene in Far Cry 3's "bad" ending isn't necessarily easy to swallow even without the twist, but it's leaps and bounds more effective and intense than the weird-as-fuck-looking animated softcore porn you get in every third-person game that features them. And it could barely even be called explicit.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Sept 25, 2019 17:24:36 GMT
I'm not sure what's worse, uncanny valley sexy time first person cutscenes or interactive sex scenes. Remember Heavy Rain? Gosh, that was awkward...
I don't find pixel sex appealing at all. The less we see the better because animations are still not good enough to make this look aesthetically pleasing. The least cringy sex scene to me remains ME1. It was brief and cut somewhat tastefully. The more is shown the weirder it looks. Witcher 3 was NOT in any way better done. It looked like ridiculous 80s porn. Maybe that was the intention. I LAUGHED through all of them.
I honestly don't get why we even need actual sex scenes. Watch porn if you're that desperate. Looks better! I like romances in games but I don't need to see awkwardly animated humping, third person or first person. But hey, I guess in first person you only cringe at the other character's movements and not your own, lol.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2019 17:36:30 GMT
Yeah, I was already hoping for romances that didn't require sex. After reading that now I'm really hoping for non-sex romances. Considering the naked - though admittedly half-frozen - breasts present in the first half minute of the very first gameplay demo, I wouldn't hold my breath. I could see first-person sex scenes working out though. In the relative sense, at least. There's actually a lot less visibility and more opportunity to focus on the other character's face as opposed to their entire body - depending on position. The sex scene in Far Cry 3's "bad" ending isn't necessarily easy to swallow even without the twist, but it's leaps and bounds more effective and intense than the weird-as-fuck-looking animated softcore porn you get in every third-person game that features them. And it could barely even be called explicit. Eh, comments from some of the devs seems to be that it's at least in their minds. I'm not holding my breath by any means, but who knows they might pleasantly surprise me. Sorry, it would still feel very uncomfortable for me, probably even moreso than the TPP ones.
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