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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 11, 2018 22:43:10 GMT
Or lock him away with the other Evanuris. After all he killed Mutual, which he said the only fitting punishment was an eternity of torment. I’m sure they’d love to see him again. She clearly allowed herself to be killed, though in any case I doubt anyone knows how to do what he did to the Evanuris, and I doubt he’d be so stupid to share the knowledge. Still killed her though. We can figure it out.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 11, 2018 22:49:29 GMT
She clearly allowed herself to be killed, though in any case I doubt anyone knows how to do what he did to the Evanuris, and I doubt he’d be so stupid to share the knowledge. Still killed her though. We can figure it out. How, really? Other then the fact that you need the magical power of what he possessed at the time, which seems quite hard to achieve, there’s no record on it, and it likely involved the creation of the Veil and manipulation of the Fade. Which didn’t end well the last time. I’m pretty sure there’ll be an option to stop him, and possibly kill him, but trapping him, seems quite unlikely, unless it’s made by one of the Evanuris if freed.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 11, 2018 22:59:38 GMT
Could he be made tranquil? That would be excellent if that is an option. I’m not really sure he can, but I think the people that would make him Tranquil would likely prefer to kill him. Expecially because the Rite of tranquility can be reversed. I agree, but I want him to suffer first. Watch him squirm before being made tranquil, then dress him up in templar armor. After having a good laugh, then I kill him.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 11, 2018 23:09:45 GMT
I’m not really sure he can, but I think the people that would make him Tranquil would likely prefer to kill him. Expecially because the Rite of tranquility can be reversed. I agree, but I want him to suffer first. Watch him squirm before being made tranquil, then dress him up in templar armor. After having a good laugh, then I kill him.
It’s your right to want to do so, but I doubt the option will be available.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Dec 12, 2018 8:59:06 GMT
I'm surprised how many of you (referring to the poll) want to save Solas. You realize what is ambitions/goals are for Theadas?
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Post by colfoley on Dec 12, 2018 9:18:18 GMT
I'm surprised how many of you (referring to the poll) want to save Solas. You realize what is ambitions/goals are for Theadas? If we convince him to stop then thatll end his plans as surely as putting an arrow in his eye.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Dec 12, 2018 9:31:50 GMT
I'm surprised how many of you (referring to the poll) want to save Solas. You realize what is ambitions/goals are for Theadas? If we convince him to stop then thatll end his plans as surely as putting an arrow in his eye. Thats not a guarantee he'll try again.
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 12, 2018 13:35:46 GMT
If we convince him to stop then thatll end his plans as surely as putting an arrow in his eye. Thats not a guarantee he'll try again. Neither is killing him. Mythal came back countless times, and her thirst for revenge only got stronger.
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Post by LazarusV2 on Dec 12, 2018 16:06:29 GMT
From my point of view this particular choice is probably one of the most complex and grey decision in DA games to this date. I mean even when I completed Trespasser for first time, this was choice I stare maybe for 5 minutes, not knowing if it actually influence something before the trespasser ends. I can see the many reasons for killing him instantly when we will see him again. Like people mentioned, he gave (though not directly or personaly) intentionally the orb to Corypheus, knowing that when he would open the orb, it would by like nuke. But in this decision, I see a patern that he admits at the end of Trespasser. That he didn't foresee that tevinter magisters (who supposedly cause the blight), had learn how to trick a death, same as he probably didn't foresee what will happen, if he seals away the fade. Basically, I would said that he was atleast a little naive or inexperienced in this matter. And this "bad" decision connects to what he did at the start of all this. He banished the Evanuris and created the veil, which supposedly cut connection to his people, the elves. And that's his fault. We can skip the part when he mentioned, that it was only useable choice, because every alternative was worse, like he mentioned, because he is blaming himself for the fate of his people. In this matter, he reminds me little bit of Javik from Mass Effect 3. He wakes up thousands of years later and discover that everything he knew or liked is forever gone or changed in way he cannot accept. And from this point of view, I can understand why he wants to restore the ancient elves. Because the situation that is in Thedas right now is his doing, that he created a "tsunami" that degraded elves to slaves to humans, servants or dales, who are free but are believing in tales and habits, that are probably not true or were altered through centuries. As my main character in DAI, I want to save him or atleast try to talk some sense to him, because what he wants to do will probably cause even more chaos, that is or will be raging in coming years in Thedas. Even he himself suggest, that he may be wrong and will be glad if we can show him some other path or solution, where he can redeem himself from what he did to elves and not just them, but if there is no other way... I think then there is only one solution. But I suspect that Bioware has far more complex solution for this little "egghead" that we think But to end this my long monolog, I personaly love this big dilemma, because even if we think we knew what the right decision is we maybe don't know all the information or context from his past and real history of Thedas, to make such a big decision a right decision.
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Post by copper on Dec 12, 2018 17:54:39 GMT
Whichever is the easiest way to stop his plans I guess. Like, I'm not gonna metagame and jump through hoops just to have the option to talk him down like I might to soften Leliana or something. Whether that means letting him rot somewhere or just killing him makes no difference to me.
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Post by duskwanderer on Dec 12, 2018 21:26:13 GMT
Could he be made tranquil? That would be excellent if that is an option. The idea is solid, but remember that the touch of a spirit can restore the person. I can't take that risk.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 12, 2018 21:54:33 GMT
Could he be made tranquil? That would be excellent if that is an option. The idea is solid, but remember that the touch of a spirit can restore the person. I can't take that risk. For a mage with Solas's knowledge and power, death isn't necessarily final either...
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 12, 2018 22:42:46 GMT
The idea is solid, but remember that the touch of a spirit can restore the person. I can't take that risk. For a mage with Solas's knowledge and power, death isn't necessarily final either... Exactly. People are really underselling what a horrifying Lovecraftian nightmare Trespasser is. We are goddamn ants in this situation. Even if you agree with Solas, it’s kind of scary how powerless any protagonist would be against him. Suppose for the sake of argument that the protagonist does want to stop him. Here are some options. 1. Tranquility. Nope, see Pharamond and Cassandra. And Solas has tons of spirit friends who would help him immediately. 2. Death. Nope, see Mythal, Hakkon, and his comments about Wisdom. Could end up even worse than before, because almost all the elves who currently believe in the Dread Wolf give him no redeeming qualities. If he’s reborn, he’d become Fen’Harel in truth, the trickster god who laughs at the People’s destruction. 3. Imprisonment. Nope, see the old gods. The moment he finds some Tevinter idiot to whisper to, he’s out. But possibly the most permanent of the options, might buy time for an Age or two? So the only hope for permanently ending his plan is if he decides to change his mind. Also, better hope that not executing his plan doesn’t leave him mortal, otherwise you’re back to the “death” option, which is basically the worst outcome. Unless you somehow banish all magic from the face of Thedas, but good luck convincing him to pick that choice. (of course this also leaves aside the possibility that Thedas is turbofucked even if he fails, and is currently careening headfirst toward a permanent Blight)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 12, 2018 22:52:50 GMT
For a mage with Solas's knowledge and power, death isn't necessarily final either... Exactly. People are really underselling what a horrifying Lovecraftian nightmare Trespasser is. We are goddamn ants in this situation. Even if you agree with Solas, it’s kind of scary how powerless any protagonist would be against him. Suppose for the sake of argument that the protagonist does want to stop him. Here are some options. 1. Tranquility. Nope, see Pharamond and Cassandra. And Solas has tons of spirit friends who would help him immediately. 2. Death. Nope, see Mythal, Hakkon, and his comments about Wisdom. Could end up even worse than before, because almost all the elves who currently believe in the Dread Wolf give him no redeeming qualities. If he’s reborn, he’d become Fen’Harel in truth, the trickster god who laughs at the People’s destruction. 3. Imprisonment. Nope, see the old gods. The moment he finds some Tevinter idiot to whisper to, he’s out. But possibly the most permanent of the options, might buy time for an Age or two? So the only hope for permanently ending his plan is if he decides to change his mind. Also, better hope that not executing his plan doesn’t leave him mortal, otherwise you’re back to the “death” option, which is basically the worst outcome. Unless you somehow banish all magic from the face of Thedas, but good luck convincing him to pick that choice. (of course this also leaves aside the possibility that Thedas is turbofucked even if he fails, and is currently careening headfirst toward a permanent Blight) Considering it was an option, Bioware will have something that can make it final.
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 12, 2018 23:23:19 GMT
Exactly. People are really underselling what a horrifying Lovecraftian nightmare Trespasser is. We are goddamn ants in this situation. Even if you agree with Solas, it’s kind of scary how powerless any protagonist would be against him. Suppose for the sake of argument that the protagonist does want to stop him. Here are some options. 1. Tranquility. Nope, see Pharamond and Cassandra. And Solas has tons of spirit friends who would help him immediately. 2. Death. Nope, see Mythal, Hakkon, and his comments about Wisdom. Could end up even worse than before, because almost all the elves who currently believe in the Dread Wolf give him no redeeming qualities. If he’s reborn, he’d become Fen’Harel in truth, the trickster god who laughs at the People’s destruction. 3. Imprisonment. Nope, see the old gods. The moment he finds some Tevinter idiot to whisper to, he’s out. But possibly the most permanent of the options, might buy time for an Age or two? So the only hope for permanently ending his plan is if he decides to change his mind. Also, better hope that not executing his plan doesn’t leave him mortal, otherwise you’re back to the “death” option, which is basically the worst outcome. Unless you somehow banish all magic from the face of Thedas, but good luck convincing him to pick that choice. (of course this also leaves aside the possibility that Thedas is turbofucked even if he fails, and is currently careening headfirst toward a permanent Blight) Considering it was an option, Bioware will have something that can make it final. Oh, death would likely be final with regards to Solas’ personality and memories. He would be gone. In the same way that a specific incarnation of Hakkon is gone. That doesn’t guarantee that an even more evil version of Hakkon won’t arise to take his place — though in Hakkon’s case the Inquisitor also killed the Hakkonites. In Fen’Harel’s case, the image of him as a malicious trickster is widely believed, and that belief would likely shape whatever arose to replace him.
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Post by theascendent on Dec 13, 2018 0:25:41 GMT
The issue whether one can actually kill Solas is a good one. The Evanuris 'killed' Mythal yet she managed to slink her way across the ages until she decided to inhabit Flemeth and accumulate power over the centuries, slowly but surely. I imagine if we wanted to kill him we should have done so when he was weakened, ie after his awakening from Uthenera in the Dragon Age. Mythal was at the height of her power and it likely required the cooperation of several members of the Pantheon to defeat her. Solas had been severely weakened from erecting the Veil and required millennia to recharge his power and yet when he was awoken he was no more powerful than an 'average' mage, far smarter and having far more potential, but still a mortal. After his power boost from Mythal/Flemeth he can kill with mere thought effortlessly and kill any dreamer in the Fade. And this solely from the power he took solely from Mythal/Flemeth. He is moving very fast very quickly trying to accumulate as much power as possible to enact his plan.
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Post by House Targaryen on Dec 13, 2018 2:16:29 GMT
They need an option where your elf Inquisitor helps him
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Post by melbella on Dec 13, 2018 2:33:37 GMT
3. Imprisonment. Nope, see the old gods. The moment he finds some Tevinter idiot to whisper to, he’s out. But possibly the most permanent of the options, might buy time for an Age or two?
This would work if it's something he chooses. Maybe his plan to bring back the glory days fails and he instead becomes the new seal keeper on the Blight. Meanwhile, (some of) the Evanuris escape and we have a bigger problem in DA5.
There's really only two ways to stop him: convince him to stop himself, as above, or find a way to depower him back to normal, like we did with Coryface.
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Post by anarchy65 on Dec 13, 2018 2:40:44 GMT
I'd actually support him, if I could. Since I probably can't, I would save him, of course.
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 13, 2018 3:06:34 GMT
3. Imprisonment. Nope, see the old gods. The moment he finds some Tevinter idiot to whisper to, he’s out. But possibly the most permanent of the options, might buy time for an Age or two?
This would work if it's something he chooses. Maybe his plan to bring back the glory days fails and he instead becomes the new seal keeper on the Blight. Meanwhile, (some of) the Evanuris escape and we have a bigger problem in DA5.
There's really only two ways to stop him: convince him to stop himself, as above, or find a way to depower him back to normal, like we did with Coryface.
The major hurdle I see with tackling Solas vs. Corypheus is how... spirit-adjacent Solas is. As soon as someone’s a famous spirit, they’re definitionally immortal, whether they prepare for it or not. Corypheus was immortal due to Blight magic, but it was more like a power he used than a fundamental facet of his being. Interrupt that specific power, and he’s completely mortal. I’m sure Solas is killable, but the only way to depower the Dread Wolf (i.e. the larger legendary concept that was originally — and is currently — embodied by Solas) probably involves some kind of collective amnesia or a generations-long campaign to scrub Fen’Harel from the legends. Since spirits emanate from the Fade, you not only have to kill them, you have to kill the idea that generates them. As he says about Wisdom, spirits can be reborn “if the idea giving the spirit form is strong, or if the memory has shaped other spirits.” Fen’Harel is incredibly famous, rebellion is brewing all across the continent, and one of the leading rebels was tutored by his #1 biggest fanboy Felassan. If that doesn’t count as a “strong” idea, nothing does.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 13, 2018 3:07:51 GMT
As I've said in a few threads before, I wouldn't be surprised when he does his hocus pocus crap that it backfires resulting in banishing himself, but in doing so, releases the evanuris.
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Post by helios969 on Dec 13, 2018 9:51:45 GMT
I'll do one then the other. What my preference will be depends on if I'm playing as the Inquisitor or not...and which one. If I'm not then I'll probably have no special motivation to save him.
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Post by melbella on Dec 13, 2018 13:01:47 GMT
I'll do one then the other. What my preference will be depends on if I'm playing as the Inquisitor or not...and which one. If I'm not then I'll probably have no special motivation to save him.
Pretty much this. Whoever we play in the next game, I as the player am already going in having little reason to trust any elves I come across. It's one reason I'd prefer to not play a new character since as the player I'll have way more knowledge than they will.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Dec 14, 2018 12:35:35 GMT
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A few technical difficulties there but we're back on track. Please recast your votes as the poll had to be restarted, thank you.
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