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Post by colfoley on Dec 15, 2018 18:43:21 GMT
I don't knooooow, I'm conflicted. I think personally I want to save him (I think) - quelle surprise!, that I like him, I know however I think I also currently disagree with his plans - or how I interpret them anyway - and my canon Inquisitor has vowed to stop him, because that's what she would do.
BUT. but but but. it just depends, on so much stuff.
is there a Big Bad beyond Solas and he's more of a Loghain secondary antagonist? am I playing my Inquisitor or a New Hero? is the New Hero an elf (or can they be, that should say)? what's the New Hero's stake in all this? what do they come to know about Solas and how do they perceive him and the threat he poses? how much interaction do they have with the Inquisitor, if any - because that could potentially color how they see things, hearing about him and what he's done from them, whether that's sympathy or hatred or whatever else that they espouse. what traits and personality do I assign New Hero? what values? and if they're an elf, is their background a Tevinter slave? an elf from the very bottom of Tevinter's ladder, who has suffered throughout their life because of it and bore direct witness to what it's like to be such a person in Tevinter society, might be more inclined to say fuck it all and throw their lot in with Fen'Harel and want to bring about the elven glory of the past and restore them. because surely anything is better than this, and heck maybe throw in some notions of justice/vengeance for the whole situation too.
Deception comic spoilers:
we see an example of such elves, in the last issue of Deception, as I interpreted them anyhow
in addition, what new stuff is revealed about Solas' plans in the next game? there's still a lot that we don't know about them. the lines he gives us about them in Trespasser are deliberately vague both by him in-character, as he doesn't want to show all his cards, and deliberately written that way by the writers for 1) dramatic tension, mystery, keep us guessing and wondering and a hook for the next game 2) because Solas is a gray sort of character, the lines are meant to be polarizing and not 100% one way or the other interpretation wise. you can see this in how some people are very sure that what he plans will cause mass genocide and is abhorrent, and other people think otherwise and that maybe even his plans is what Thedas needs, or want to help him etc. if the writers pull an elven Jesus and actually Solas was right all along and Solas' plans is the only way to stop a crazy Superblight or red lyrium spreading and corrupting the entire world, well then. idk, he seems to know Something. another example is how people disagree over whether 'elves' as he uses it means all elves including modern elves or just the ancient elves.
also what new stuff does he get up to in DA4? what he does in his role as an antagonist will also be an influence.
finally it depends on how things are framed in the game. context, RP, the narrative. I cannot metagame and I can't pick choices which would be out of character. I also can only make choices based on what my character knows - we have all these theories connecting Solas stuff to the old gods, Blights etc but my Inquisitor for example does not - and how they would feel at the time. using the Inquisitor as an example, to do anything other than oppose him at the end of Trespasser would be character-breaking. she cannot risk her people on hoping that she could change his mind or that the world of the elves he talks about is for all elves, not just those who came before. to her there, he is a threat and so must be eliminated.
tl;dr ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ idk my bff jill there are 2 many unknowns about his plans and including who I'll be playing, and also RP constraints for me are a thing
that's why i answered the question from my own perspective and not as any of the possible characters we may be. Though if we do play the inquisitor then they'll probably try and redeem him.
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Post by Artemis on Dec 15, 2018 20:06:26 GMT
If you can save him, i.e. convince him to renege on his world-ending plans, why would you kill him? Methinks some people just get their jollies off on killing video game characters.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 15, 2018 20:28:11 GMT
If you can save him, i.e. convince him to renege on his world-ending plans, why would you kill him? Methinks some people just get their jollies off on killing video game characters. The poll should have been Save Him or Stop Him to fit the choices in Trespasser, true. Though with this poll, while I would love for their to be middle options if it was only these two I voted kill because it reads very similar to some of the binary choices in the past. For example one that is very similar is what to do with Anders, where you have to choose between killing him or letting him go scotfree aka saving him. If the options for Solas were like that, then I choose kill not because I get my jollies off killing characters (I can count on my fingers the number of times I chose to kill characters and most were irredeemable characters like slavers) but because I think Solas should not be free of consequences for his actions like Anders was if you spared him. Again, I hope this time there are middle options like imprisonment of some sort for example.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 15, 2018 20:38:53 GMT
I've seen you say this before. What do you mean when you say that the Inquisitor will be Solas' successor? There are a few ways that could go so was curious if you could offer some clarification. Yea, it's admittedly yet another pet theory of mine (hence brackets), but one which I didn't just pull out of nowhere. There's just something about (very intentional) iconography as well as a sequence of events that make me think that Inquisitor ain't a 'mere' counterpart, but someone who may have been anointed to succeed Solas. I'm not entirely sure when, how and for what purpose, but it's something that I see peeking at me from all the subtext and sometimes even straightforward text. It's not just the fact that Inquisitor miraculously acquired or wields part of his power, even if temporarily, or all the intentional parallels between characters and their role within the narrative. I think the most blatant pointer is him basically gifting Inquisitor his castle (and throne hidden there) and then paints the story of Inquisitor on its walls (with the unfinished space there suggesting the story is not yet over), when all the other murals he painted before were detailing his experiences and the story of his life. It's all very symbolic, going beyond just Inquisition needing home in the story. I'd mention some elements of tarot cards, especially Hierophant, but it may be just too esoteric. Or the whole post-Tempole of Mythal dialogue with Solas which clearly goes beyond just asking about what Inquisitor will do next. There are several layers there to consider and even dialogue with Inquisitor he dislikes suggests that he didn't just write them down as useless, but instead found it pertinent to mention that Inquisitor doesn't give up and never stops trying (even if the consequences are grave, hmmmm.....). Also, there's the (pointed out by devs more than once, so they obviously want us to pay attention to this) intentional parallel between post-epilogue scene with Mythal and Solas and Inky approaching the Dread Wolf in Trespasser. The short scenes where Solas/Inquisitor approaches the one nearer the eluvian - they mirror one another so closely that it basically screams "THIS IS IMPORTANT!". I mean, we know what happened later in the post-epilogue scene: Mythal has sacrificed whatever power she had so Solas could continue his mission because 'the People need him'. He basically succeded her in terms of pushing the story from the side of ancient god-kings with some plans towards the world. It's only prudent to ask then what are Solas's full plans towards Inquisitor, especially that he very specifically went out of his way to save them, let them learn some of his story and then lead them on his trail. Hmm, an interesting theory. I do agree that it is very clear that the Inquisitor seems to be a mirror of Solas in many respects, as pointed out in various dialogues. One of the themes of the game fit both of them very well: that when you do things like this, you become more than a person to people but also less of a person to them. I actually didn't know that the devs pointed out how those two scenes were a parallel to each other, or at least forgot it, so thank you for pointing that out. I hope you are right in at least the sense that all these hints like the unfinished final mural are clues that the Inquisitor is returning, since if this theory of yours is correct than they need to since otherwise like other aspects it would lose all nuance and impact if we are someone else.
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Post by TabithaTH on Dec 15, 2018 21:10:30 GMT
I really like the idea that the Inquisitor becomes Solas’ successor. I can easily imagine them getting his powers and then they have to decide what to do with it. Continue Solas’ mission, use it for good, use it for evil, become the antagonist of DA5…
As to kill/save, I have to agree with everyone saying that it depends on whom we play as and how they portray Solas in the game. My canon Inquisitor wants to save him, so if we play as a new PC, it could be interesting to let them want to kill him, at least initially. Would make an interesting story depending on how they ultimately chose to implement the Inquisitor (if they even make an appearance).
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Post by Solas on Dec 15, 2018 23:06:33 GMT
that's why i answered the question from my own perspective and not as any of the possible characters we may be. Though if we do play the inquisitor then they'll probably try and redeem him. yee. but even if I answer from my own perspective it still depends on a shitload of stuff for me. such as it is
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Post by colfoley on Dec 15, 2018 23:11:42 GMT
that's why i answered the question from my own perspective and not as any of the possible characters we may be. Though if we do play the inquisitor then they'll probably try and redeem him. yee. but even if I answer from my own perspective it still depends on a shitload of stuff for me. such as it is well sure, at the end of the day I'm not going to just let him get away with it. If it comes down to it I WILL kill him.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 15, 2018 23:30:09 GMT
I can't say I'm a big fan of being Solas's successor, because I have no desire to follow his breadcrumb trail to his next "gotcha!" moment or be used (whether as some kind of conduit or inheritor or just a pawn). Like..... leave me alone bro. 😓
Though speaking of inheritors, I'm still wondering about OGB Kieran's comments about Morrigan being "the inheritor, she who awaits the next age" (is this only if she drank from the Well or all the time?), and whether that's still true if Flemeth doesn't pass her essence onto Morrigan ("a soul is not forced upon the unwilling / you were never in any danger from me").
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Post by themikefest on Dec 15, 2018 23:46:47 GMT
Inquisitor being the successor to solas? hahahaha. There's not enough ale in Thedas for my Inquisitor to do that. She will eliminate the elf.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 15, 2018 23:49:10 GMT
I can't say I'm a big fan of being Solas's successor, because I have no desire to follow his breadcrumb trail to his next "gotcha!" moment or be used (whether as some kind of conduit or inheritor or just a pawn). Like..... leave me alone bro. 😓 Though speaking of inheritors, I'm still wondering about OGB Kieran's comments about Morrigan being "the inheritor, she who awaits the next age" (is this only if she drank from the Well or all the time?), and whether that's still true if Flemeth doesn't pass her essence onto Morrigan ("a soul is not forced upon the unwilling / you were never in any danger from me"). Inquisitor being the successor to solas? hahahaha. There's not enough ale in Thedas for my Inquisitor to do that. She will eliminate the elf. Well, it would be fun for Solas to entrust us with finishing his mission only for us to do this once he does:
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 15, 2018 23:53:14 GMT
I can't say I'm a big fan of being Solas's successor, because I have no desire to follow his breadcrumb trail to his next "gotcha!" moment or be used (whether as some kind of conduit or inheritor or just a pawn). Like..... leave me alone bro. 😓 Though speaking of inheritors, I'm still wondering about OGB Kieran's comments about Morrigan being "the inheritor, she who awaits the next age" (is this only if she drank from the Well or all the time?), and whether that's still true if Flemeth doesn't pass her essence onto Morrigan ("a soul is not forced upon the unwilling / you were never in any danger from me"). Inquisitor being the successor to solas? hahahaha. There's not enough ale in Thedas for my Inquisitor to do that. She will eliminate the elf. Well, it would be fun for Solas to entrust us with finishing his mission only for us to do this once he does: Unless that nuked the world. That would suck. But I still don't want him messing with me. Get a hobby, Solas, we're barely acquaintances.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 16, 2018 0:08:00 GMT
Keep in mind that what I was talking about may still be realized in a very symbolic sense, or on a level of subtext. It may not be direct or super-duper literal. The 'succession' may as well be something like taking his place as the one making some sort of harrowing decision or pushing the narrative in a certain direction.
What we know so far is that at this point we simply don't know yet the full extent of Solas's plans, or what ultimately will happen with Inquisitor (IF something will happen with Inquisitor) - all we know is that he's letting Inky have their life, his castle, some of his secrets and he's letting us chase him to unknown end.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 16, 2018 0:36:44 GMT
Well, it would be fun for Solas to entrust us with finishing his mission only for us to do this once he does: I could go for that if the result has solas giving the same look when I say I have no questions.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 16, 2018 17:12:58 GMT
Though speaking of inheritors, I'm still wondering about OGB Kieran's comments about Morrigan being "the inheritor, she who awaits the next age" (is this only if she drank from the Well or all the time?), and whether that's still true if Flemeth doesn't pass her essence onto Morrigan He makes the statement about Morrigan before we encounter Mythal (after all she relieves him of the OGB soul when we do) so I assume it is also before we go to the Arbor Wilds because I always talk to him before we go. So not dependent on who drinks from the Well. As for the second part, that could relate to the Dev notes that suggest Mythal was happy to pass on power to Solas if Morrigan also received what Mythal intended for her and it was this piece of herself that she placed into the eluvian before he arrived. Morrigan was anxious to be the one to drink from the Well because of her thirst for knowledge, so if the shade of Mythal was to somehow interact with her and offer knowledge, she'd probably take it willingly. Her sister Yavanna seemed to suggest that Morrigan had merely misunderstood what was contained in the Black Grimoire and seemed to suggest it was a blessing not a curse. However, both the Dev notes and Kieran's speech could be something that is quietly forgotten by the writers if it no longer comfortably fits with the way the plot is heading. After all, you would think it would be important who drank from the Well but may be that will only be something resulting in a minor difference, like the decision whether or not to do the Dark Ritual turned out to be. Normal Kieran says none of the weird stuff but is just a regular sort of kid. Nevertheless Morrigan has been around from the very beginning and with Flemeth out of the way, she is now the link with her.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 16, 2018 18:58:53 GMT
Welllllllllllll.... Thedas is a world in which this is not impossible
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 16, 2018 19:03:48 GMT
He has to be stopped. If he is unwilling to stop, he has to die.
My thought - his speeches at the end of Trespasser were just a politician's lies/exaggeration, and we need to hear more from the other Evanuris before I accept Egghead's lies.
I lean towards killing him.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Dec 16, 2018 21:39:40 GMT
I see a problem I eliminate it. If I can't I investigate other options, but this really is plan B.
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Post by XJlock on Dec 17, 2018 0:31:26 GMT
Marked for death.
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Post by ellawyn on Dec 17, 2018 0:34:18 GMT
Marked for smooches. And maybe a stern talking to.
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Post by wickedcool on Dec 17, 2018 3:34:23 GMT
He saved the inquisitors life- I’ll save his
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Post by helios969 on Dec 17, 2018 11:33:47 GMT
He saved the inquisitors life- I’ll save his Only to reveal he'll kill you, everyone and everything you care about later. Such a fine fellow.
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Post by Jarovbees on Dec 17, 2018 20:28:53 GMT
Nope, Solas is still deader than dead. At least for 99% of my playthroughs.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 17, 2018 20:31:08 GMT
He saved the inquisitors life- I’ll save his Only to reveal he'll kill you, everyone and everything you care about later. Such a fine fellow. Don't forget the part where the Inquisitor's life was only in danger because of Solas as well. Thanking him for saving you from the thing that he was responsible for is like thanking an arsonist for putting out the fire they started.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 17, 2018 21:06:03 GMT
Voted kill again. Though we would prefer to eat the egg headed elf.
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