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Post by Iddy on May 29, 2017 12:59:46 GMT
We only tolerate that because they help you fight the Blight. The blood mage woman made no such promise. The blood mage woman can be persuaded to make a similar deal,but you can't chek if she will ever do that because she is not in the party. Companions helping depends on what you do,there are several scenario for each one of them in which they revolt against the PC. She can, but the option isn't available for most Wardens.
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Post by oyabun on May 29, 2017 13:12:44 GMT
The blood mage woman can be persuaded to make a similar deal,but you can't chek if she will ever do that because she is not in the party. Companions helping depends on what you do,there are several scenario for each one of them in which they revolt against the PC. She can, but the option isn't available for most Wardens. The option is always available to my knowledge so long as you pick the appropriate dialogues,the only problem is that you can't verify her promise and I haven't ever saw her after that,so it is possible that she was just fooling the player or that devs forgot to include her in the game.
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Post by Abraxas on May 30, 2017 2:59:12 GMT
Nope. The option to recruit her is only available if you're an assassin, a blood mage, or a reaver. Or if you have Zevran (who is an assassin) in your team, IIRC. So, you have to be morally "not good" (can be evil, can be neutral) to allow her to live. "Good" wardens will kill her on the spot, basically.
Curious thing, though, is that the usually "goody" ones of your party (Wynne, Alistair, Leliana) do not react to sparing her (no approval changes, no commentary).
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Post by Catilina on May 30, 2017 8:49:35 GMT
Nope. The option to recruit her is only available if you're an assassin, a blood mage, or a reaver. Or if you have Zevran (who is an assassin) in your team, IIRC. So, you have to be morally "not good" (can be evil, can be neutral) to allow her to live. "Good" wardens will kill her on the spot, basically. Curious thing, though, is that the usually "goody" ones of your party (Wynne, Alistair, Leliana) do not react to sparing her (no approval changes, no commentary). Probably because when the Warden makes the decision, she lay on the floor. I assume, the "goody" ones not so bloodthirsty. This reaction confirms, that this decision is not good or bad, only depend on the Warden's opinion about the blood mages, the mercy, and the potential danger etc.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on May 31, 2017 14:20:17 GMT
I sympathize with the blood mage woman.
If i were in her shoes i would have done the same thing. I think most people would.
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Post by Iddy on May 31, 2017 15:27:08 GMT
I sympathize with the blood mage woman. If i were in her shoes i would have done the same thing. I think most people would. Sure... but would you have let her go in those circumstances?
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on May 31, 2017 15:56:16 GMT
I sympathize with the blood mage woman. If i were in her shoes i would have done the same thing. I think most people would. Sure... but would you have let her go in those circumstances? I'd let her go yeah. She's no longer a threat to me so why not?
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Post by Iddy on May 31, 2017 16:16:45 GMT
Sure... but would you have let her go in those circumstances? I'd let her go yeah. She's no longer a threat to me so why not? Well, she still may be a threat to the Circle you're currently trying to get support from or to the surviving mages gathered in the first floor. The Warden is out on a mission, so a "it doesn't affect me, so whatever" mindset doesn't really make sense in this setting.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on May 31, 2017 16:26:56 GMT
I'd let her go yeah. She's no longer a threat to me so why not? Well, she still may be a threat to the Circle you're currently trying to get support from or to the surviving mages gathered in the first floor. The Warden is out on a mission, so a "it doesn't affect me, so whatever" mindset doesn't really make sense in this setting. She did what she did in an effort to gain her freedom from unjust imprisonment. She has no reason whatsoever to attack the other mages unless they attack her first. The Circle as a prison system needs to be destroyed and i sincerely hope that she is a threat to it.
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Post by Catilina on May 31, 2017 16:35:03 GMT
I'd let her go yeah. She's no longer a threat to me so why not? Well, she still may be a threat to the Circle you're currently trying to get support from or to the surviving mages gathered in the first floor. The Warden is out on a mission, so a "it doesn't affect me, so whatever" mindset doesn't really make sense in this setting.Why not? I think, not bad choice to let her alive. She's a blood mage, but she's a prisoner, so the Warden (especially if s/he is a blood mage too, but not necessarily only if s/he is a blood mage), can understand her motivation. And I don't understand, why he MUST care about the Circle's future? Not all Wardens care about the all problems of the whole world. And if s/he conscientious in any case, even s/he can be mercyful.
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Post by Iddy on May 31, 2017 16:49:55 GMT
Letting her go is a gamble. She was defeated in combat and her will was weakened as a result of it,with all the demons in the tower you may never know if she turns into an abomination. You have the option to recruit her,but I don't remember to have seen her among the mages allies,she just vanished; maybe she lied and she just wanted to use the Warden in order to flee. Then again, you slayed all demons on your way there and proceeded to kill the rest in the upper levels. It has nothing to do with the Circle's future. You and Slither seem to think I was talking about the entire system that oppresses mages and everything involved. I was simply referring to your current mission to restore the Circle to a functional state, as you had promised to Greagoir in exchange for aid against the Blight.
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Post by Catilina on May 31, 2017 16:57:18 GMT
Then again, you slayed all demons on your way there and proceeded to kill the rest in the upper levels. This woman is NOT a demon. Blood Mage? Yes. But what's the problem with blood magic? The Warden can understand, why he tried to defend herself/wanted to be free, or just can be merciful. This is not a bad decision. Even not morally wrong. (If not intentionally evil, of course, but this is another case.)
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Post by Iddy on May 31, 2017 17:01:02 GMT
Then again, you slayed all demons on your way there and proceeded to kill the rest in the upper levels. This woman is NOT a demon. Blood Mage? Yes. But what's the problem with blood magic? The Warden can understand, why he tried to defend herself/wanted to be free, or just can be merciful. This is not a bad decision. Sigh... calm down. First, I didn't call her a demon. Second, the subject was the possibility of her getting possessed. Third, I was specifically telling Prince that there is nothing to worry about because the demons are already gone anyway.
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Post by Catilina on May 31, 2017 17:01:49 GMT
Then again, you slayed all demons on your way there and proceeded to kill the rest in the upper levels. It has nothing to do with the Circle's future. You and Slither seem to think I was talking about the entire system that oppresses mages and everything involved. I was simply referring to your current mission to restore the Circle to a functional state, as you had promised to Greagoir in exchange for aid against the Blight. Yes. And the Warden can think, that this mage not a serious danger.
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Post by Iddy on May 31, 2017 17:17:24 GMT
Then again, you slayed all demons on your way there and proceeded to kill the rest in the upper levels. It has nothing to do with the Circle's future. You and Slither seem to think I was talking about the entire system that oppresses mages and everything involved. I was simply referring to your current mission to restore the Circle to a functional state, as you had promised to Greagoir in exchange for aid against the Blight. Yes. And the Warden can think, that this mage not a serious danger. The only way she can escape is through the front door, which means she would need to fight the templars. Some of Greagoir's men will be injured or even killed during the battle and then he will want to know how did that blood mage survive. Naturally, he will be upset when you tell him you were the one who let her go. This could harm the alliance you're trying to form. Oh, and you missed one of my replies above.
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Post by Catilina on May 31, 2017 17:20:56 GMT
Yes. And the Warden can think, that this mage not a serious danger. The only way she can escape is through the front door, which means she would need to fight the templars. Some of Greagoir's men will be injured or even killed during the battle and then he will want to know how did that blood mage survive. Naturally, he will be upset when you tell him you were the one who let her go. This could harm the alliance you're trying to form. Oh, and you missed one of my replies above. Then Gregoir break the covenant, which concluded with the Mages. Not with him, not with the Templars.
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Post by Iddy on May 31, 2017 17:24:28 GMT
The only way she can escape is through the front door, which means she would need to fight the templars. Some of Greagoir's men will be injured or even killed during the battle and then he will want to know how did that blood mage survive. Naturally, he will be upset when you tell him you were the one who let her go. This could harm the alliance you're trying to form. Oh, and you missed one of my replies above. Then Gregoir break the covenant, which concluded with the Mages. Not with him, not with the Templars. As I recall it, the First Enchanter can't do much without the Knight-Commander's permission. The templars and the Chantry rule the Circles.
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Post by Catilina on May 31, 2017 17:33:11 GMT
Then Gregoir break the covenant, which concluded with the Mages. Not with him, not with the Templars. As I recall it, the First Enchanter can't do much without the Knight-Commander's permission. The templars and the Chantry rule the Circles. This is an ancient pact, so if the direct danger has disappeared, Gregoir can not refuse the help. At least, the Warden is not responsible for it and does not have to count it. S/He's not has time to overthinking. I don't say, that what you wrote, is wrong. What you said is valid, with all doubts. Executing this girl is a logical choice, and not evil or wrong, of course. (Where I wrote, that your concerns are not valid?) I just wrote, that, leave this mage alive is also a good choice, and believable.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on May 31, 2017 17:53:37 GMT
Well, she still may be a threat to the Circle you're currently trying to get support from or to the surviving mages gathered in the first floor. The Warden is out on a mission, so a "it doesn't affect me, so whatever" mindset doesn't really make sense in this setting. She did what she did in an effort to gain her freedom from unjust imprisonment. She has no reason whatsoever to attack the other mages unless they attack her first. The Circle as a prison system needs to be destroyed and i sincerely hope that she is a threat to it. Unjust imprisonment for you,but I'm totally OK with mages being locked up,especially the blood mages.
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Post by Catilina on May 31, 2017 18:00:01 GMT
She did what she did in an effort to gain her freedom from unjust imprisonment. She has no reason whatsoever to attack the other mages unless they attack her first. The Circle as a prison system needs to be destroyed and i sincerely hope that she is a threat to it. Unjust imprisonment for you,but I'm totally OK with mages being locked up,especially the blood mages. And I'm totally okay with the Mages want to escape with any tools, including blood magic.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on May 31, 2017 18:21:07 GMT
She did what she did in an effort to gain her freedom from unjust imprisonment. She has no reason whatsoever to attack the other mages unless they attack her first. The Circle as a prison system needs to be destroyed and i sincerely hope that she is a threat to it. Unjust imprisonment for you,but I'm totally OK with mages being locked up,especially the blood mages. What if you were a mage. What if you were taken to the Circle as a child. Would you attempt to escape? Or would you accept your imprisonment? What if your family never turned you in. Would you turn yourself in?
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Post by Catilina on May 31, 2017 18:52:12 GMT
Unjust imprisonment for you,but I'm totally OK with mages being locked up,especially the blood mages. What if you were a mage. What if you were taken to the Circle as a child. Would you attempt to escape? Or would you accept your imprisonment? What if your family never turned you in. Would you turn yourself in? Then you must die/ be tranquil. Simple. You must accept this, because the "people" will be happy, if you accept this, but they feel uncomfortable, if not. You want "people" to be happy, and feel them comfortable, don't you?
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jun 1, 2017 2:11:08 GMT
Unjust imprisonment for you,but I'm totally OK with mages being locked up,especially the blood mages. What if you were a mage. What if you were taken to the Circle as a child. Would you attempt to escape? Or would you accept your imprisonment? What if your family never turned you in. Would you turn yourself in? I'm not a mage in the game so the what if doesn't even apply. Glad instead that reality didn't allowed magic to even exist.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Jun 1, 2017 10:50:33 GMT
What if you were a mage. What if you were taken to the Circle as a child. Would you attempt to escape? Or would you accept your imprisonment? What if your family never turned you in. Would you turn yourself in? I'm not a mage in the game so the what if doesn't even apply. Glad instead that reality didn't allowed magic to even exist. Imagine yourself as a mage in the Dragon Age world. Now attempt to answer my earlier questions.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 1, 2017 11:00:11 GMT
I'm not a mage in the game so the what if doesn't even apply. Glad instead that reality didn't allowed magic to even exist. Imagine yourself as a mage in the Dragon Age world. Now attempt to answer my earlier questions. I think, he can't imagine himself as a mage, because a mage is a cursed monster, but he's a knight in a shining armour, who judge and stomp cursed monsters with pleasure, even if they are innocent children, because this is the purpose of a knight in the shining armour who save the world from the cursed monsters.
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