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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Jun 1, 2017 11:30:37 GMT
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jun 1, 2017 22:24:10 GMT
Imagine yourself as a mage in the Dragon Age world. Now attempt to answer my earlier questions. I think, he can't imagine himself as a mage, because a mage is a cursed monster, but he's a knight in a shining armour, who judge and stomp cursed monsters with pleasure, even if they are innocent children, because this is the purpose of a knight in the shining armour who save the world from the cursed monsters. enough with your silly hyperbole,I've already stated my mind and I have no intention to deviate from it,either they live the way they now live,or either they die.
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Post by akiza on Jun 1, 2017 22:27:40 GMT
He is allowed to have what ever mindset he desire with regard of mages,I myself never trusted a single one of them.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 1, 2017 22:29:00 GMT
I think, he can't imagine himself as a mage, because a mage is a cursed monster, but he's a knight in a shining armour, who judge and stomp cursed monsters with pleasure, even if they are innocent children, because this is the purpose of a knight in the shining armour who save the world from the cursed monsters. enough with your silly hyperbole,I've already stated my mind and I have no intention to deviate from it,either they live the way they now live,or either they die. I don't want you to change your standpoint, you're funny.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jun 1, 2017 22:36:59 GMT
Yea exactly that. They are nothing but troubles,this mage also tried to kill me so I kill her,and if anyone disagree with that then they have only to try to stop me and see however if their avatar are not the one at being killed first.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jun 1, 2017 22:38:28 GMT
enough with your silly hyperbole,I've already stated my mind and I have no intention to deviate from it,either they live the way they now live,or either they die. I don't want you to change your standpoint, you're funny. Continue thinking that,as long as I kill more mages I'm OK with it.
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Post by Aren on Jun 1, 2017 22:57:13 GMT
She is a threat and everything she did was planned since she was part of the Uldred's entourage.She and her friends attacked me(I had no party in that mission)on sight for no reason,so I had to defend myself. She is also a coward,first she fought beside her friends for their cause and when they were defeated she begs miserably for her life while her comrades fighted to the death for their ideals.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 1, 2017 22:59:39 GMT
She is a threat and everything she did was planned since she was part of the Uldred's entourage.She and her friends attacked me(I had no party in that mission)on sight for no reason,so I had to defend myself. She is also a coward,first she fight beside her friends for their cause and when they are defeated she begs miserably for her life while her comrades fighted to the death for their ideals. She's not a hero, not everyone's a hero. Just wanted to be free. I know, every people who closed and want to be free is a threat. Just as Jowan. And a Loghain-kind person can exploit that.
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Post by Aren on Jun 1, 2017 23:04:42 GMT
She is a threat and everything she did was planned since she was part of the Uldred's entourage.She and her friends attacked me(I had no party in that mission)on sight for no reason,so I had to defend myself. She is also a coward,first she fight beside her friends for their cause and when they are defeated she begs miserably for her life while her comrades fighted to the death for their ideals. She's not a hero, not everyone's a hero. Neither were her friends,but they didn't begged me like low scum. Don't generalize the topic is about this specific mage only.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 1, 2017 23:09:53 GMT
She's not a hero, not everyone's a hero. Neither were her friends,but they didn't begged me like low scum. Don't generalize the topic is about this specific mage only. Cowardice is not a reason for a death sentence. It's just a human trait.
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Post by Aren on Jun 1, 2017 23:22:50 GMT
Neither were her friends,but they didn't begged me like low scum. Don't generalize the topic is about this specific mage only. Cowardice is not a reason for a death sentence. It's just a human trait. Cowardice is a reason for a death sentence and many soldiers in history were killed by their superiors for that reason.All that it takes to disprove your words is to not share your mind.Beside one can fabricate multiple reason to kill this person. Before you ask I haven't killed her but not because I sympathize for her,I didn't wanted to have on conscience the death of a petty being.Only God knows how many sins DAO place upon the Warden.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 1, 2017 23:30:55 GMT
Cowardice is not a reason for a death sentence. It's just a human trait. Cowardice is a reason for a death sentence and many soldiers in history were killed by their superiors for that reason.All that it takes to disprove your words is to not share your mind.Beside one can fabricate multiple reason to kill this person. She's a captive, not a soldier. I never denied, that there are many reasons to kill her. But there are many reasons to spare her.
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Post by Prince on Jun 1, 2017 23:40:01 GMT
Cowardice is a reason for a death sentence and many soldiers in history were killed by their superiors for that reason.All that it takes to disprove your words is to not share your mind.Beside one can fabricate multiple reason to kill this person. She's a captive, not a soldier. I never denied, that there are many reasons to kill her. But there are many reasons to spare her. What does that change? There are more noble and less noble reasons to kill? The act of killing is the act of killing regardless of the reason that generated it. If I kill this person for Revenge rather than self defence it's the same thing,in the end the result is the same,the justification behind it is irrelevant.If I kill this person because I think she is a coward enemy rather than because I think she may be a potential danger for the rest of the mages and children it changed nothing on the result. Reasons and justifications are just subjective,the result is objective. and how do you tell that a reason is right and the other is wrong? Based on what you feel?
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Post by Catilina on Jun 1, 2017 23:46:34 GMT
She's a captive, not a soldier. I never denied, that there are many reasons to kill her. But there are many reasons to spare her. What does that change? There are more noble and less noble reasons to kill? The act of killing is the act of killing regardless of the reason that generated it. If I kill this person for Revenge rather than self defence it's the same thing,in the end the result is the same,the justification behind it is irrelevant.If I kill this person because I think she is a coward enemy rather than because I think she may be a potential danger for the rest of the mages and children it changed nothing on the result. Reasons and justifications are just subjective,the result is objective. and how do you tell that a reason is right and the other is wrong? Based on what you feel? There are many different reasons, but ofc, the result is same. And yes: for me the reason is matter. To kill anyone for fun: bad. To kill someone because this is necessary: not as bad.
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Post by Prince on Jun 1, 2017 23:56:32 GMT
What does that change? There are more noble and less noble reasons to kill? There are many different reasons, but ofc, the result is same. And yes: for me the reason is matter. To kill anyone for fun: bad. To kill someone because this is necessary: not as bad. How you define what is bad and what is good?I can say that I've killed this mage because I think she was ugly,how can you prove that this motivation is wrong? Human beings cannot define good and evil from the subjectivity of their minds,only a God can because it's mind is only objective like objective are the rules of it's reality.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 2, 2017 0:08:23 GMT
There are many different reasons, but ofc, the result is same. And yes: for me the reason is matter. To kill anyone for fun: bad. To kill someone because this is necessary: not as bad. How you define what is bad and what is good?I can say that I've killed this mage because I think she was ugly,how can you prove that this motivation is wrong? Human beings cannot define Hood and evil from the subjectivity of their mind,only a God can because it's mind is only objective like objective are the rules of it's reality. Okay, I don't really mind, if according you a sadistic serial killer equal with a man, who kill anyone for self-defense or for protecting people. This is your opinion. My opinion that God gave me a mind, and I'm able to use it. Perhaps sometimes I have mistakes because I'm just a man. But I never said, that my opinion is the ONLY opinion. But still: general moral norms exist. And the reasons matter.
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Post by Prince on Jun 2, 2017 0:29:13 GMT
Okay, I don't really mind, if according you a sadistic serial killer equal with a man, who kill anyone for self-defense or for protecting people. This is your opinion. My opinion that God gave me a mind, and I'm able to use it. Perhaps sometimes I have mistakes because I'm just a man. But I never said, that my opinion is the ONLY opinion. But still: general moral norms exist. What you describe as "general morals" does not exist,it's not a law imbued in the universe,but instead is nothing more but the values accepted in a given society of a given time. If you were born in ancient Rome you would have quickly realized how they thought that killing for sport in the Colosseums was good. This is the problems of opinions ,they literally means nothing because they don't affect reality beside from the effects they create when they are imposed throught power.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 2, 2017 0:36:39 GMT
Okay, I don't really mind, if according you a sadistic serial killer equal with a man, who kill anyone for self-defense or for protecting people. This is your opinion. My opinion that God gave me a mind, and I'm able to use it. Perhaps sometimes I have mistakes because I'm just a man. But I never said, that my opinion is the ONLY opinion. But still: general moral norms exist. What you describe as normal morals does not exist,it's not a law imbued in the universe,but instead is nothing more but the values accepted in a given society of a given time. If you were born in ancient Rome you would have quickly realized how they thought that killing for sport in the Colosseums was good. This is the problems of opinions ,they literally means nothing because they don't affect reality beside from the effects they create when they are imposed throught power. Was good entertainment, but never was "good". Killing people for fun never was good, but I'm sure, many people would like the Colosseum games even nowadays... But you have a strong morality, you know, what is good, you always declare it here.
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Post by Prince on Jun 2, 2017 0:57:03 GMT
But you have a strong morality, you know, what is good, you always declare it here. It doesn't matter how strong the morality of an human being is if he can't demonstrate it.Good and Evil are not for humans to define,they can be defined only by a deity and until that happens there will never be anything which is objective outside of the laws of nature.So if I kill this mage because I think she is fat,none can prove that the deed is wrong.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 2, 2017 1:12:15 GMT
It doesn't matter how strong the morality of an human being is if he can't demonstrate it.Good and Evil are not for humans to define,they can be defined only by a deity and until that happens there will never be anything which is objective outside of the laws of nature.So if I kill this mage because I think she is fat,none can prove that the deed is wrong. And need to prove it? So: if no matter, what is the reason to kill her, so: your character kill her for fun, then is not more fun, if she turns into an abomination, and destroy the whole Circle? So: Why is wrong/"evil" choice is Warden doesn't kill her? What's your problem with gambling with the lives, Gambling with Ferelden? Who can declare, that's bad?
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Post by Prince on Jun 2, 2017 8:40:56 GMT
It doesn't matter how strong the morality of an human being is if he can't demonstrate it.Good and Evil are not for humans to define,they can be defined only by a deity and until that happens there will never be anything which is objective outside of the laws of nature.So if I kill this mage because I think she is fat,none can prove that the deed is wrong. And need to prove it? So: if no matter, what is the reason to kill her, so: your character kill her for fun, then is not more fun, if she turns into an abomination, and destroy the whole Circle? So: Why is wrong/"evil" choice is Warden doesn't kill her? What's your problem with gambling with the lives, Gambling with Ferelden? Who can declare, that's bad? For you is a reason that means for fun,but I can see it as a serious motivation. None but the objective effects.If gambling with something turns out to backfire then you know is bad because it objectively backfired so that's not opinion anymore,and with this mage or any other similar kind of choice the risk is always there.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 2, 2017 9:11:42 GMT
And need to prove it? So: if no matter, what is the reason to kill her, so: your character kill her for fun, then is not more fun, if she turns into an abomination, and destroy the whole Circle? So: Why is wrong/"evil" choice is Warden doesn't kill her? What's your problem with gambling with the lives, Gambling with Ferelden? Who can declare, that's bad? For you is a reason that means for fun,but I can see it as a serious motivation. None but the objective effects.If gambling with something turns out to backfire then you know is bad because it objectively backfired so that's not opinion anymore,and with this mage or any other similar kind of choice the risk is always there. Okay, I got it. So: if I gambling with something which is destroyed later, then I was evil. If I destroyed something for fun, perhaps I was good, but not evil, because we can not say it's a bad thing destroying something for fun. Yes, perhaps people enjoyed too. You're a very funny guy.
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Post by Prince on Jun 2, 2017 9:29:18 GMT
For you is a reason that means for fun,but I can see it as a serious motivation. None but the objective effects.If gambling with something turns out to backfire then you know is bad because it objectively backfired so that's not opinion anymore,and with this mage or any other similar kind of choice the risk is always there. Okay, I got it. So: if I gambling with something which is destroyed later, then I was evil. If I destroyed something for fun, perhaps I was good, but not evil, because we can not say it's a bad thing destroying something for fun. Yes, perhaps people enjoyed too. You're a very funny guy. You didn't even understood what I said,so carry on. You are unable to discern what is objective from what is subjective,motivations are subjective,the effects on reality are never subjective and only from them good and evil can be objectively determined.Is not the motivation that makes a murdering bad or good, is it's effect on the one being killed.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 2, 2017 14:28:38 GMT
I just came across this quote and I think it really applies here.
"If you have to look along the shaft of an arrow from the wrong end, if a man has you entirely at his mercy, then hope like hell that man is an evil man. Because the evil like power, power over people, and they want to see you in fear. They want you to know you're going to die. So they'll talk. They'll gloat. They'll watch you squirm. They'll put off the moment of murder like another man will put off a good cigar. So hope like hell your captor is an evil man. A good man will kill you with hardly a word." - Discworld, Men at Arms.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 2, 2017 14:38:09 GMT
I just came across this quote and I think it really applies here. "If you have to look along the shaft of an arrow from the wrong end, if a man has you entirely at his mercy, then hope like hell that man is an evil man. Because the evil like power, power over people, and they want to see you in fear. They want you to know you're going to die. So they'll talk. They'll gloat. They'll watch you squirm. They'll put off the moment of murder like another man will put off a good cigar. So hope like hell your captor is an evil man. A good man will kill you with hardly a word." - Discworld, Men at Arms. Yes, good men can take bad decisions, but this fact does not make them evil. An evil man if take a good decision accidentally (for example as a malicious decision's side effect), he's still an evil man. My opinion.
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