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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Jun 1, 2017 15:06:43 GMT
In the Broken Circle i recall people being tortured into submission. This wouldn't be necessary if the demons could outright possess them.
Connor is a naive and inexperienced child who got tricked into possession by a creature far more cunning and experienced than him. Desire and Pride demons are very good at what they do. They're the top 2 most powerful class of demons if im not mistaken.
Kitten was trapped by magic and forced into a cat form i think. I think she convinced the girl to let her in or she took her by force. I have to play it again to be sure.
You may be right that the series contains examples of forced possession but i don't personally recall any.
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Post by Abraxas on Jun 1, 2017 16:03:17 GMT
Also, I'm unaware of demons being able to possess someone against their will. Can you show me examples of this? To be possessed by a demon, you don't need to say "yes, I want to be possessed". You only need to doubt about your own will. "Regardless of the reason, a demon always attempts to possess a mage when it encounters one— by force or by making some kind of deal depending on the strength of the mage. Should the demon get the upper hand, the result is an unholy union known as an abomination." dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_AbominationThere is a lot of blood mages in Kirkwall that turned desperate, and became abominations (I remember a lot of those in the Last Straw). Demons are intelligent enough to lead a mage to desperation, and that's all what is needed to turn someone into abominations.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Jun 1, 2017 16:11:27 GMT
Also, I'm unaware of demons being able to possess someone against their will. Can you show me examples of this? To be possessed by a demon, you don't need to say "yes, I want to be possessed". You only need to doubt about your own will. "Regardless of the reason, a demon always attempts to possess a mage when it encounters one— by force or by making some kind of deal depending on the strength of the mage. Should the demon get the upper hand, the result is an unholy union known as an abomination." dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_AbominationThere is a lot of blood mages in Kirkwall that turned desperate, and became abominations (I remember a lot of those in the Last Straw). Demons are intelligent enough to lead a mage to desperation, and that's all what is needed to turn someone into abominations. Ah yes I remember the whole desperation thing now that you mention it. Those poor mages smh.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Jun 1, 2017 19:16:02 GMT
Wait...
Being desperate means one is more likely to make a stupid decision. Like giving in to demonic possession for example.
So they may still need to say yes, it's just that when they're desperate they're far more likely to do so than not.
Also, that quote that says "by force"...who is saying this? Mage or mundane? I ask because only a mage would know exactly what transpires. A mage who has survived many possession attempts. A mundane can only guess.
Which reminds me of that dreamer mage in DA2. He was hounded by demons nightly for days if not weeks. Eventually his will would have weakened and he'd have given in to one of them. But he would have to give in. None of them could just take him at will. If they could have they would have.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 1, 2017 19:38:48 GMT
You're correct Catalina. The Chantry oppressing magic is like the Catholic Church suppressing science. Such foolishness only stifles progress. The Chantry gave a good quality education (Anders–Bethany banter, Act1), and provided the opportunity for research, just as the Catholic Church. But even kept it under control, and this control is the key.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Jun 1, 2017 22:47:10 GMT
I agree that control is necessary.
But to ban the study of blood magic is foolish e.g. The Litany Of Andralla.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 1, 2017 22:57:04 GMT
I agree that control is necessary. But to ban the study of blood magic is foolish e.g. The Litany Of Andralla. I meant, on one hand, the Chantry provided a good education and opportunity for research, on another hand, even restrained the progression with the comprehensive control.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Jun 1, 2017 23:12:53 GMT
You're right.
As much as I don't like the Chantry, i admit that they do more for the poor and unfortunate than any other groups in the setting.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 1, 2017 23:17:27 GMT
You're right. As much as I don't like the Chantry, i admit that they do more for the poor and unfortunate than any other groups in the setting. There are good people and bad people. Lothering and Redcliffe Chantry was open for the refugees and always was full of people, in Kirkwall this doubtful. In the Inquisition, we also saw good Chantry mothers. The Chantry can give strength and fear.
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