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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 14:36:35 GMT
I want a romance that will not leave me disappointed for a F!Inquisitor (with a male NPC) run. I want a lot of content and a good, solid happy ending. So, which one, Cullen or Blackwall?
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Post by Rascoth on May 29, 2017 15:08:48 GMT
For me they're equal experiences, both offer something different while having option for happy ending. Said happy ending depends on your decisions, though with Cullen there's only happy ending or break off, with Blackwall it's more tricky. Of course the type of happy ending also differs. Cullen is all that sweet romance that, after talking with him about lyrium, gets even sweeter (plus Trespasser bonus, but it's not even recognized in the Keep as of now). With Blackwall you have obstacles to go thru, small drama in a middle and then all good (if you don't make him Grey Warden, otherwise Trespasser shatters it all). Do they have a lot of content? I think they're not that much different from other romances (of course excluding Solas, he really doesn't like romance content *sigh*). I'll be honest, I'm in this dilemma myself for two years, but I'm leaning toward Blackwall, since I adored him with my little oddball Cadash. In the end, I think only knowing how the story goes in next game will help me decide. I know I'm not really helpful with that. Sorry
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 15:11:55 GMT
For me they're equal experiences, both offer something different while having option for happy ending. Said happy ending depends on your decisions, though with Cullen there's only happy ending or break off, with Blackwall it's more tricky. Of course the type of happy ending also differs. Cullen is all that sweet romance that, after talking with him about lyrium, gets even sweeter (plus Trespasser bonus, but it's not even recognized in the Keep as of now). With Blackwall you have obstacles to go thru, small drama in a middle and then all good (if you don't make him Grey Warden, otherwise Trespasser shatters it all). Do they have a lot of content? I think they're not that much different from other romances (of course excluding Solas, he really doesn't like romance content *sigh*). I'll be honest, I'm in this dilemma myself for two years, but I'm leaning toward Blackwall, since I adored him with my little oddball Cadash. In the end, I think only knowing how the story goes in next game will help me decide. I know I'm not really helpful with that. Sorry Well, if you can make mistakes in Blackwall's romance, and Trespasser breaks it, I guess, it's better to go with Cullen? The Trespasser does not mess that one, right?
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Post by Rascoth on May 29, 2017 15:18:18 GMT
Trespasser doesn't "break it" per se, more like takes away happy ending at the very end if you choose wrong fate for Blackwall. Not Grey Warden -> lives in epilogue, Grey Warden -> dies in epilogue. That's all.
No, Trespasser doesn't mess up Cullen's romance. After talking with Cullen about lyrium the only way to end his romance is if you choose to do so. And even that only until hard lock.
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Post by phoray on May 29, 2017 17:16:58 GMT
Since you dislike DAI so much, and may never force yourself to play again, I'd go with Cullen all the way to get the full romantic experience, from adorable flirts to wedding proposal. The addiction/PTSD arc keeps ya grounded in making him not entirely perfect. If you go in as a mage, I kinda feel like you get to watch his lingering distrust of mages melt before your very eyes. As of right now, he's my canon.
I found value in Blackwall's full romance, once I'd done it, but he's a hot-cold-hot again-I lied to you drama mess with a redemption strong happy ending. The flirting, and lack of it, can give you whip lash. And I hate his posed repeatable kissing scene the most. Also, one of his end scenes, the one with the griffon toy, keeps bugging completely out on me. I've maybe seen it once out of 4 PTs?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 20:00:07 GMT
Neither of them
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 20:58:25 GMT
Well, I do like romances in my games, and I don't like IB & Solas' is too short. So it's either or.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 21:01:46 GMT
Well, I do like romances in my games, and I don't like IB & Solas' is too short. So it's either or. I know you like Dorian why not go with him, or is this for making another WS apart from your original?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 21:05:18 GMT
Well, I do like romances in my games, and I don't like IB & Solas' is too short. So it's either or. I know you like Dorian why not go with him, or is this for making another WS apart from your original? That's for a female canon run. I usually run each game at least twice with as different options as possible. Dorian is my male's canon. Different Warden and Hawke as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 21:19:54 GMT
I know you like Dorian why not go with him, or is this for making another WS apart from your original? That's for a female canon run. I usually run each game at least twice with as different options as possible. Dorian is my male's canon. Different Warden and Hawke as well. I would suggest trying Josephine, but otherwise Cullen's romance feels more natural than the others
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 15:10:09 GMT
That's for a female canon run. I usually run each game at least twice with as different options as possible. Dorian is my male's canon. Different Warden and Hawke as well. I would suggest trying Josephine, but otherwise Cullen's romance feels more natural than the others I am reserving Josephine in case I can run a White Knight DAK. Start with a human nobleman marrying Anora, then play Ebon Hawke romancing Merrill, and round it out with a male warrior championing Josephine. This one one is more about rogue ladies romancing warriors. An ULtimate Sacrifice Brosca leaving Alistair; Blaze Hawke the Mage Tyrant romancing grim Fenris, and an Elven Rogue Rascal I guess romancing Cullen?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 15:52:29 GMT
I would suggest trying Josephine, but otherwise Cullen's romance feels more natural than the others I am reserving Josephine in case I can run a White Knight DAK. Start with a human nobleman marrying Anora, then play Ebon Hawke romancing Merrill, and round it out with a male warrior championing Josephine. This one one is more about rogue ladies romancing warriors. An ULtimate Sacrifice Brosca leaving Alistair; Blaze Hawke the Mage Tyrant romancing grim Fenris, and an Elven Rogue Rascal I guess romancing Cullen? Yeah your way seems better and you can fing quite the number of "knightly" armors in DAI. CUllen has a good romance but he wasn't originally intended as a romance choice so his romance ark is relatively shorter but feels more natural. There is only one time I was going with Blackwall romance but he kept telling how he will hurt the inquisitor and it felt like Anders' romance so I automatically backed out.
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Post by phoray on May 30, 2017 17:31:44 GMT
I am reserving Josephine in case I can run a White Knight DAK. Start with a human nobleman marrying Anora, then play Ebon Hawke romancing Merrill, and round it out with a male warrior championing Josephine. This one one is more about rogue ladies romancing warriors. An ULtimate Sacrifice Brosca leaving Alistair; Blaze Hawke the Mage Tyrant romancing grim Fenris, and an Elven Rogue Rascal I guess romancing Cullen? Yeah your way seems better and you can fing quite the number of "knightly" armors in DAI. CUllen has a good romance but he wasn't originally intended as a romance choice so his romance ark is relatively shorter but feels more natural. There is only one time I was going with Blackwall romance but he kept telling how he will hurt the inquisitor and it felt like Anders' romance so I automatically backed out. Disagree. I've argued elsewhere at another time that he gets MORE scenes, scenes the other romances don't even get access to, due to his position as an Advisor. Only Josephine gets access to romance inside Advisor Scenes. I think he got the benefit of the full year of added on time that was asked for, whereas I feel that Solas only got added on in the last few months of the year extension by comparison. It could possibly FEEL like a shorter romance arc because he and Jose don't have approval bars. So, depending on how you play the game, you can actually save up all his romance scenes to be pratically played all in a row right after the other. Although there are Advisor scenes as well as Based on Events scenes that don't trigger until those requirements are met.
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Post by fylimar on May 30, 2017 17:54:50 GMT
I voted for Blackwall, because I liked that romance a lot. I like IB better, but since you don't like Bull, I would recommend Blackwall. Cullen is not bad either, but I personally like BW - and it would have the advantage, that you can take your li with you on your adventures.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 18:04:40 GMT
Yeah your way seems better and you can fing quite the number of "knightly" armors in DAI. CUllen has a good romance but he wasn't originally intended as a romance choice so his romance ark is relatively shorter but feels more natural. There is only one time I was going with Blackwall romance but he kept telling how he will hurt the inquisitor and it felt like Anders' romance so I automatically backed out. Disagree. I've argued elsewhere at another time that he gets MORE scenes, scenes the other romances don't even get access to, due to his position as an Advisor. Only Josephine gets access to romance inside Advisor Scenes. I think he got the benefit of the full year of added on time that was asked for, whereas I feel that Solas only got added on in the last few months of the year extension by comparison. It could possibly FEEL like a shorter romance arc because he and Jose don't have approval bars. So, depending on how you play the game, you can actually save up all his romance scenes to be pratically played all in a row right after the other. Although there are Advisor scenes as well as Based on Events scenes that don't trigger until those requirements are met. No what I mean by shorter is that he doesn't have a romance spesicif quest like preparing a romantic dinner for Cass or dueling for Josie (btw you wrote Jose instead of Josie and all I could think of was a Mexican dude with a poncho so thanks for the lols). Sure he gets romance scenes but they couldn't add a quest for it
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Post by Rascoth on May 30, 2017 18:11:23 GMT
Disagree. I've argued elsewhere at another time that he gets MORE scenes, scenes the other romances don't even get access to, due to his position as an Advisor. Only Josephine gets access to romance inside Advisor Scenes. I think he got the benefit of the full year of added on time that was asked for, whereas I feel that Solas only got added on in the last few months of the year extension by comparison. It could possibly FEEL like a shorter romance arc because he and Jose don't have approval bars. So, depending on how you play the game, you can actually save up all his romance scenes to be pratically played all in a row right after the other. Although there are Advisor scenes as well as Based on Events scenes that don't trigger until those requirements are met. No what I mean by shorter is that he doesn't have a romance spesicif quest like preparing a romantic dinner for Cass or dueling for Josie (btw you wrote Jose instead of Josie and all I could think of was a Mexican dude with a poncho so thanks for the lols). Sure he gets romance scenes but they couldn't add a quest for it One of those "scenes" is actual quest in your journal. Following this logic, it seems Blackwall doesn't have romance-specific quest as well, since it's just a scene triggered by arriving at one location.
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Post by phoray on May 30, 2017 18:20:40 GMT
Disagree. I've argued elsewhere at another time that he gets MORE scenes, scenes the other romances don't even get access to, due to his position as an Advisor. Only Josephine gets access to romance inside Advisor Scenes. I think he got the benefit of the full year of added on time that was asked for, whereas I feel that Solas only got added on in the last few months of the year extension by comparison. It could possibly FEEL like a shorter romance arc because he and Josie* don't have approval bars. So, depending on how you play the game, you can actually save up all his romance scenes to be pratically played all in a row right after the other. Although there are Advisor scenes as well as Based on Events scenes that don't trigger until those requirements are met. No what I mean by shorter is that he doesn't have a romance spesicif quest like preparing a romantic dinner for Cass or dueling for Josie (btw you wrote Jose instead of Josie and all I could think of was a Mexican dude with a poncho so thanks for the lols). Sure he gets romance scenes but they couldn't add a quest for it Ooooo. Well, as a person who romanced Cass.... the whole thing was cute but a little silly. Which Cass is a little silly, so it suits her I suppose. I liked the book salesman and the flowers, but killing bears to get a book took it abit too far. I haven't done Cullen in a while, he was my first PT, but without getting into too many spoilers, I think the lake scene is very specific to Cullen, whereas Josie's Val Royeux scene is very specific to her. Just because there wasn't a specific quest for those scenes doesn't mean their wasn't an equivalent special to them 1-1
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 18:37:56 GMT
No what I mean by shorter is that he doesn't have a romance spesicif quest like preparing a romantic dinner for Cass or dueling for Josie (btw you wrote Jose instead of Josie and all I could think of was a Mexican dude with a poncho so thanks for the lols). Sure he gets romance scenes but they couldn't add a quest for it Ooooo. Well, as a person who romanced Cass.... the whole thing was cute but a little silly. Which Cass is a little silly, so it suits her I suppose. I liked the book salesman and the flowers, but killing bears to get a book took it abit too far. I haven't done Cullen in a while, he was my first PT, but without getting into too many spoilers, I think the lake scene is very specific to Cullen, whereas Josie's Val Royeux scene is very specific to her. Just because there wasn't a specific quest for those scenes doesn't mean their wasn't an equivalent special to them 1-1 I didn't say they are lesser than other romances, I just pointed out that Solas and Cullen don't have their romance quests which made them seem shorter
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Post by Rascoth on May 30, 2017 18:40:58 GMT
Ooooo. Well, as a person who romanced Cass.... the whole thing was cute but a little silly. Which Cass is a little silly, so it suits her I suppose. I liked the book salesman and the flowers, but killing bears to get a book took it abit too far. I haven't done Cullen in a while, he was my first PT, but without getting into too many spoilers, I think the lake scene is very specific to Cullen, whereas Josie's Val Royeux scene is very specific to her. Just because there wasn't a specific quest for those scenes doesn't mean their wasn't an equivalent special to them 1-1 I didn't say they are lesser than other romances, I just pointed out that Solas and Cullen don't have their romance quests which made them seem shorter Happier Times <- totally not Cullen romance quest.
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Post by phoray on May 30, 2017 18:57:35 GMT
Oh yeah! Blackwall soft locks as soon as you talk to him at Skyhold blocking you from anyone else until his trial. So be caaaareful
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 19:01:15 GMT
I think after having a wonderful experience with Reyes, I am actually finding the idea of her flying up the steps to the battlements after days in the field to see Cullen more thrilling than staring at her lover's wide back 24/7. Plus, seeing I sold out and rolled an elf, might as well take the advantage of the selections not available to the pleb races.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 19:02:32 GMT
Oh yeah! Blackwall soft locks as soon as you talk to him at Skyhold blocking you from anyone else until his trial. So be caaaareful Oh, wow. Good to know! I will diligently avoid hearts with him.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 19:03:16 GMT
I didn't say they are lesser than other romances, I just pointed out that Solas and Cullen don't have their romance quests which made them seem shorter Happier Times <- totally not Cullen romance quest. It's more of a cutscene really
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Post by Rascoth on May 30, 2017 19:16:31 GMT
It's more of a cutscene really And as I explained above, same goes for Blackwall. The only difference being you need to go with Blackwall to the place where you trigger the cutscene. You can't drag Cullen along with you, so it starts after you confirm it.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 13:23:03 GMT
After playing a little into the game, I really liked Cullen's role in the game, how he is highlighted in the cutscenes, and how his content adapts to the romance, so, I am going with him.
Thanks for the chat on the subject and helping me with figuring it out.
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