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Post by Catilina on Jun 26, 2017 22:58:57 GMT
She loved a Circle Mage before, not noble. How you know, that she crushed on only MALE Hawke? Cass with mage Trevelyan is very good, just like Cullen with a mage PC it let's them out of their comfort zone, I didn't mean a warrior I meant human with KISA because all Trevelyans are nobilityBecause after the Arishok fight Varric asks Cassandra if she developed a hero worship if Hawke is female and she says that she respects her So: you don't mind a KISA be warrior, only noble? but why? And if noble, a lady Trevelyan not good KISA enough? And if you say: her heterosexuality is a part of Cassandra's personality, then why you can't accept, that she can love a qunari rogue? This is not part of her personality?
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Post by tacsear on Jun 26, 2017 23:08:01 GMT
Cass with mage Trevelyan is very good, just like Cullen with a mage PC it let's them out of their comfort zone, I didn't mean a warrior I meant human with KISA because all Trevelyans are nobilityBecause after the Arishok fight Varric asks Cassandra if she developed a hero worship if Hawke is female and she says that she respects her So: you don't mind a KISA be warrior, only noble? but why? And if noble, a lady Trevelyan not good KISA enough? And if you say: his heterosexuality is a part of Cassandra's personality, then why you can't accept, that she can love a qunari rogue? This is not part of her personality? Man I don't know, it's not like this is a policy for me, it just feels better when I romance Cass with a Trevelyan maybe it's different for you and that's normal A lady Trevelyan can be a very good KISA, look at Josephine's romance it's really good wether you play as male or female. It gives the fairy tale wibe regardless of gender, I just don't think that would be the case for Cass
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 3:38:30 GMT
I feel that Dorian is a perfect example of the opposite, how artificial restrictions prevented a truly cool romance being available for a great male character, and instead we get a smattering of barely there romances with far less interesting male PCs. A bi Dorian with more content, and more obvious romantic interjections throughout the game, is way more preferable to me to scattered content across BW, Solas, Cullen and Bull. I'd rather have one intense PT with a grand romance story that is there and matters than running the game 4 times to be disappointed with a dialogue here and a quest there. it's too unfocused. i very much mind having to restart the game that huge multiple times. It's not ME2. If Dorian becomes bi, he loses nearly everything that makes him awesome, and he has the most romance content in the game it would be ridicilous to add more for him. If you don't like other male romance options, look for female romance options that's the beauty of RPGs Really? So, basically, his dad just picked the wrong spell from the blood magic book? Because Dorian would have been just fine if he could but marry a man of an appropriate pedigree, and produce a shared bloodline heir via a spell through a slave surrogate? Dorian's story and personality are of a universal appeal. He is rebelling against hypocrisy, he searches for an elusive middle ground between a personal happiness and his standing in the society, and he has a political agenda of a social reformer. And, oh, yeah, he is also a Tevinter Altus, a talented Mage, with incredible sense of humour... how's all of it counts for nothing, vs him being romantically interested only in men? That's selling him far too short. i understand that you like the backstory, but it can be kept as is for a male, and changed only slightly for a female without taking away anything that defines the character. The male avatars stand nothing to lose at all. I find every other male in the game boring in comparison and I want to play a female Qunari. I specifically do not want to be forced to play a male character as my canon in DA3, because it actually has good female voice for once and F!Qunari looks awesome. But, Blackwall and Iron Bull are very, very, very unappealing as canon LIs. my position against the gender and race gating is precisely that: I do NOT want to chose between my dream PC and my dream romance, I just want one PT where everything is just perfect, and, unlike DA2, DA3 does not let me do it. So, that's why I like how DA2 does that, and want it to be like it in the future games. Dorian shows far more interest in a female Inquisitor than Jaal did in male Ryder, so there is no reason why his romance cannot be further expanded to a female PC based on what's already in the game.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 27, 2017 8:29:34 GMT
If Dorian becomes bi, he loses nearly everything that makes him awesome, and he has the most romance content in the game it would be ridicilous to add more for him. If you don't like other male romance options, look for female romance options that's the beauty of RPGs Really? So, basically, his dad just picked the wrong spell from the blood magic book? Because Dorian would have been just fine if he could but marry a man of an appropriate pedigree, and produce a shared bloodline heir via a spell through a slave surrogate? Dorian's story and personality are of a universal appeal. He is rebelling against hypocrisy, he searches for an elusive middle ground between a personal happiness and his standing in the society, and he has a political agenda of a social reformer. And, oh, yeah, he is also a Tevinter Altus, a talented Mage, with incredible sense of humour... how's all of it counts for nothing, vs him being romantically interested only in men? That's selling him far too short. i understand that you like the backstory, but it can be kept as is for a male, and changed only slightly for a female without taking away anything that defines the character. The male avatars stand nothing to lose at all. I find every other male in the game boring in comparison and I want to play a female Qunari. I specifically do not want to be forced to play a male character as my canon in DA3, because it actually has good female voice for once and F!Qunari looks awesome. But, Blackwall and Iron Bull are very, very, very unappealing as canon LIs. my position against the gender and race gating is precisely that: I do NOT want to chose between my dream PC and my dream romance, I just want one PT where everything is just perfect, and, unlike DA2, DA3 does not let me do it. So, that's why I like how DA2 does that, and want it to be like it in the future games. Dorian shows far more interest in a female Inquisitor than Jaal did in male Ryder, so there is no reason why his romance cannot be further expanded to a female PC based on what's already in the game. Yes, Dorian rebelling against the hypocrisy, but his rebellious temper based on his backstory, you can like it or not, this fact. Between Jaal and Scott the chemistry works. I didn't do Jaal's romance yet, but I saw that, before the patch. Between Dorian and fem!Inqusitor the chemistry doesn't work. Dorian compliments, but just because it is a habit (I also used sometimes, just as almost every men), and because he's "the Gay Best Friend" (TM).
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Post by tacsear on Jun 27, 2017 8:35:04 GMT
If Dorian becomes bi, he loses nearly everything that makes him awesome, and he has the most romance content in the game it would be ridicilous to add more for him. If you don't like other male romance options, look for female romance options that's the beauty of RPGs Really? So, basically, his dad just picked the wrong spell from the blood magic book? Because Dorian would have been just fine if he could but marry a man of an appropriate pedigree, and produce a shared bloodline heir via a spell through a slave surrogate? Dorian's story and personality are of a universal appeal. He is rebelling against hypocrisy, he searches for an elusive middle ground between a personal happiness and his standing in the society, and he has a political agenda of a social reformer. And, oh, yeah, he is also a Tevinter Altus, a talented Mage, with incredible sense of humour... how's all of it counts for nothing, vs him being romantically interested only in men? That's selling him far too short. i understand that you like the backstory, but it can be kept as is for a male, and changed only slightly for a female without taking away anything that defines the character. The male avatars stand nothing to lose at all. I find every other male in the game boring in comparison and I want to play a female Qunari. I specifically do not want to be forced to play a male character as my canon in DA3, because it actually has good female voice for once and F!Qunari looks awesome. But, Blackwall and Iron Bull are very, very, very unappealing as canon LIs. my position against the gender and race gating is precisely that: I do NOT want to chose between my dream PC and my dream romance, I just want one PT where everything is just perfect, and, unlike DA2, DA3 does not let me do it. So, that's why I like how DA2 does that, and want it to be like it in the future games. Dorian shows far more interest in a female Inquisitor than Jaal did in male Ryder, so there is no reason why his romance cannot be further expanded to a female PC based on what's already in the game. I said most of his personality is built on him being gay not all. If he was into females too, he could've played "pretend" in Tevinter and kept his other relationships alive too. There wouldn't be any reason for him to leave Tevinter Pick Cullen then, his romance is pretty good. That is what I don't like in DA2, everybody is available for everybody and I just don't like it, Andromeda kinda did it too but in DA2 it bothered me less because it had a pretty awesome story. If Anders and Isabela were the only ones that are bi, it would've been better. But again it is a very minor issue because the game is really good. Dorian is not interested in femInquisitor, that is the importance of character development. In MEA if you choose the heart icon with a character that is not interested in you, you get rejected in the first dialogue but in DAI characters appriciate your compliments up until it becomes something serious
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 9:21:42 GMT
Really? So, basically, his dad just picked the wrong spell from the blood magic book? Because Dorian would have been just fine if he could but marry a man of an appropriate pedigree, and produce a shared bloodline heir via a spell through a slave surrogate? Dorian's story and personality are of a universal appeal. He is rebelling against hypocrisy, he searches for an elusive middle ground between a personal happiness and his standing in the society, and he has a political agenda of a social reformer. And, oh, yeah, he is also a Tevinter Altus, a talented Mage, with incredible sense of humour... how's all of it counts for nothing, vs him being romantically interested only in men? That's selling him far too short. i understand that you like the backstory, but it can be kept as is for a male, and changed only slightly for a female without taking away anything that defines the character. The male avatars stand nothing to lose at all. I find every other male in the game boring in comparison and I want to play a female Qunari. I specifically do not want to be forced to play a male character as my canon in DA3, because it actually has good female voice for once and F!Qunari looks awesome. But, Blackwall and Iron Bull are very, very, very unappealing as canon LIs. my position against the gender and race gating is precisely that: I do NOT want to chose between my dream PC and my dream romance, I just want one PT where everything is just perfect, and, unlike DA2, DA3 does not let me do it. So, that's why I like how DA2 does that, and want it to be like it in the future games. Dorian shows far more interest in a female Inquisitor than Jaal did in male Ryder, so there is no reason why his romance cannot be further expanded to a female PC based on what's already in the game. Yes, Dorian rebelling against the hypocrisy, but his rebellious temper based on his backstory, you can like it or not, this fact. Between Jaal and Scott the chemistry works. I didn't do Jaal's romance yet, but I saw that, before the patch. Between Dorian and fem!Inqusitor the chemistry doesn't work. Dorian compliments, but just because it is a habit (I also used sometimes, just as almost every men), and because he's "the Gay Best Friend" (TM). But it can work if it's changed, and far easier than Jaal's. His backstory is very easily changed just a touch for a F!PC to avoiding the institution of an unhappy marriage just like his parents had and being a breeding instrument. Romantic literature is abound of characters that are at odds with an idea if an arranged union.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 27, 2017 9:39:55 GMT
Yes, Dorian rebelling against the hypocrisy, but his rebellious temper based on his backstory, you can like it or not, this fact. Between Jaal and Scott the chemistry works. I didn't do Jaal's romance yet, but I saw that, before the patch. Between Dorian and fem!Inqusitor the chemistry doesn't work. Dorian compliments, but just because it is a habit (I also used sometimes, just as almost every men), and because he's "the Gay Best Friend" (TM). But it can work if it's changed, and far easier than Jaal's. His backstory is very easily changed just a touch for a F!PC to avoiding the institution of an unhappy marriage just like his parents had and being a breeding instrument. Romantic literature is abound of characters that are at odds with an idea if an arranged union. His backstory not only about the arranged mariage, rather about his father's endeavor for his sexuality violent change with blood magic. Do I need to explain what's the difference?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 9:42:14 GMT
Really? So, basically, his dad just picked the wrong spell from the blood magic book? Because Dorian would have been just fine if he could but marry a man of an appropriate pedigree, and produce a shared bloodline heir via a spell through a slave surrogate? Dorian's story and personality are of a universal appeal. He is rebelling against hypocrisy, he searches for an elusive middle ground between a personal happiness and his standing in the society, and he has a political agenda of a social reformer. And, oh, yeah, he is also a Tevinter Altus, a talented Mage, with incredible sense of humour... how's all of it counts for nothing, vs him being romantically interested only in men? That's selling him far too short. i understand that you like the backstory, but it can be kept as is for a male, and changed only slightly for a female without taking away anything that defines the character. The male avatars stand nothing to lose at all. I find every other male in the game boring in comparison and I want to play a female Qunari. I specifically do not want to be forced to play a male character as my canon in DA3, because it actually has good female voice for once and F!Qunari looks awesome. But, Blackwall and Iron Bull are very, very, very unappealing as canon LIs. my position against the gender and race gating is precisely that: I do NOT want to chose between my dream PC and my dream romance, I just want one PT where everything is just perfect, and, unlike DA2, DA3 does not let me do it. So, that's why I like how DA2 does that, and want it to be like it in the future games. Dorian shows far more interest in a female Inquisitor than Jaal did in male Ryder, so there is no reason why his romance cannot be further expanded to a female PC based on what's already in the game. I said most of his personality is built on him being gay not all. If he was into females too, he could've played "pretend" in Tevinter and kept his other relationships alive too. There wouldn't be any reason for him to leave Tevinter Pick Cullen then, his romance is pretty good. That is what I don't like in DA2, everybody is available for everybody and I just don't like it, Andromeda kinda did it too but in DA2 it bothered me less because it had a pretty awesome story. If Anders and Isabela were the only ones that are bi, it would've been better. But again it is a very minor issue because the game is really good. Dorian is not interested in femInquisitor, that is the importance of character development. In MEA if you choose the heart icon with a character that is not interested in you, you get rejected in the first dialogue but in DAI characters appriciate your compliments up until it becomes something serious Cullen does not romance anyone but a Human or an Elf, and I want to play an F!Qunari. He is not an in-party character. I tried it, and went as far as the repeat kissy scene. It has nothing really to him except he is a very nice guy with a lirium addiction he is fighting, and that's covered in one conversation. He is from Ferelden, and was in earlier games. That about covers it. He is not even a Templar any longer. Some 20+ hours to find it out. Again, that's precisely the kind of nonsense with shuffling the cards till I get an okayish combo of the romance and the protagonist, but not my first pick of either that I do NOT want and what I did not have to go through in DA2. I've been through twenty years of not being able to romance a character I wanted to romance, and DA2 was such a huge relief... and DA3 took it away. And that is a big reason why it is so lackluster in comparison. I don't think that Dorian would have stood for an arranged marriage no matter what, providing how much he lashes against his parents' breeding union & their implied sexual repulsion for one another seeing that despite breeding being the whole point, they only had one child, no spares. He also had an option he is very aware of and airs in a conversation - living in luxury and misery with an unfortunate girl. And, tbh, given the ambitious nature of the Tevinter nobles and no anticipation of a union for love to start with, it need not have been a misery at all, because for all he knew, he could have easily landed with a sophisticated enough lady who had a preference for a free hand as long as the front was preserved. If anything, she might breathe out a sigh of relief.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 9:49:24 GMT
But it can work if it's changed, and far easier than Jaal's. His backstory is very easily changed just a touch for a F!PC to avoiding the institution of an unhappy marriage just like his parents had and being a breeding instrument. Romantic literature is abound of characters that are at odds with an idea if an arranged union. His backstory not only about the arranged mariage, rather about his father's endeavor for his sexuality violent change with blood magic. And he could have reached for a slightly different blood magic spell, the one that altered Dorian's nature in a different way. I can't imagine forcing a person to fall in love being any less objectionable to him than blood magic that made him more appreciative of female company. I do not believe that you suggest that because a woman does fall in love with men and a man does in general fall in love with women it follows that they could be thrown into a wedding bed under a banner of "breed on!" and it all will work out just fine. What he objects to is his father reaching for blood magic at the first sign of trouble & to have his will prevail over Dorian's. And, again, just like all Jaal's content is preserved in female story-line, all the content would have been preserved in the male story-line. So, what's the problem?
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Post by Catilina on Jun 27, 2017 9:58:43 GMT
His backstory not only about the arranged mariage, rather about his father's endeavor for his sexuality violent change with blood magic. And he could have reached for a slightly different blood magic spell, the one that altered Dorian's nature in a different way. I can't imagine forcing a person to fall in love being any less objectionable to him than blood magic that made him more appreciative of female company. I do not believe that you suggest that because a woman does fall in love with men and a man does in general fall in love with women it follows that they could be thrown into a wedding bed under a banner of "breed on!" and it all will work out just fine. What he objects to is his father reaching for blood magic at the first sign of trouble & to have his will prevail over Dorian's. And, again, just like all Jaal's content is preserved in female story-line, all the content would have been preserved in the male story-line. So, what's the problem? I couldn't believe, that I must explain, what's the difference between a simple arranged marriage and the violent change of sexual orientation. Jaal's case is completely different. I don't think, that so hard to see that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 10:04:32 GMT
And he could have reached for a slightly different blood magic spell, the one that altered Dorian's nature in a different way. I can't imagine forcing a person to fall in love being any less objectionable to him than blood magic that made him more appreciative of female company. I do not believe that you suggest that because a woman does fall in love with man and a man does in general fall in love with women it follows that they could be thrown into a wedding bed under a banner of "breed on!" and it all will work out just fine. What he objects to is his father reaching for blood magic at the first sign of trouble & to have his will prevail over Dorian's. I couldn't believe, that I must explain, what's the difference between a simple arranged marriage and the violent change of sexual orientation. Really? Non-consensual is non-consensual, and traumatic. That it is a more common practice does not make it any less of a tragedy. And, again, just like in Jaal's romance, the male content would have been preserved in the male story-line as it is right now, with a slight alterations for the female line. I believe there was some interest in a bisexual LI with stronger male leanings? I don't see how Jaal's or Kaidan's cases are different.
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Post by tacsear on Jun 27, 2017 10:20:40 GMT
I said most of his personality is built on him being gay not all. If he was into females too, he could've played "pretend" in Tevinter and kept his other relationships alive too. There wouldn't be any reason for him to leave Tevinter Pick Cullen then, his romance is pretty good. That is what I don't like in DA2, everybody is available for everybody and I just don't like it, Andromeda kinda did it too but in DA2 it bothered me less because it had a pretty awesome story. If Anders and Isabela were the only ones that are bi, it would've been better. But again it is a very minor issue because the game is really good. Dorian is not interested in femInquisitor, that is the importance of character development. In MEA if you choose the heart icon with a character that is not interested in you, you get rejected in the first dialogue but in DAI characters appriciate your compliments up until it becomes something serious Cullen does not romance anyone but a Human or an Elf, and I want to play an F!Qunari. He is not an in-party character. I tried it, and went as far as the repeat kissy scene. It has nothing really to him except he is a very nice guy with a lirium addiction he is fighting, and that's covered in one conversation. He is from Ferelden, and was in earlier games. That about covers it. He is not even a Templar any longer. Some 20+ hours to find it out. Again, that's precisely the kind of nonsense with shuffling the cards till I get an okayish combo of the romance and the protagonist, but not my first pick of either that I do NOT want and what I did not have to go through in DA2. I've been through twenty years of not being able to romance a character I wanted to romance, and DA2 was such a huge relief... and DA3 took it away. And that is a big reason why it is so lackluster in comparison. I don't think that Dorian would have stood for an arranged marriage no matter what, providing how much he lashes against his parents' breeding union & their implied sexual repulsion for one another seeing that despite breeding being the whole point, they only had one child, no spares. He also had an option he is very aware of and airs in a conversation - living in luxury and misery with an unfortunate girl. And, tbh, given the ambitious nature of the Tevinter nobles and no anticipation of a union for love to start with, it need not have been a misery at all, because for all he knew, he could have easily landed with a sophisticated enough lady who had a preference for a free hand as long as the front was preserved. If anything, she might breathe out a sigh of relief. Well your expectations for RPGs is very different from mine and I don't believe I have anything to add to this argument because I generally play RPGs for their awesome stories and unique characters with their own personalities. If you want to romance everybody you want I suggest you play Saints Row
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Post by Catilina on Jun 27, 2017 10:24:49 GMT
I couldn't believe, that I must explain, what's the difference between a simple arranged marriage and the violent change of sexual orientation. Really? Non-consensual is non-consensual, and traumatic. That it is a more common practice does not make it any less of a tragedy. And, again, just like in Jaal's romance, the male content would have been preserved in the male story-line as it is right now, with a slight alterations for the female line. I believe there was some interest in a bisexual LI with stronger male leanings? I don't see how Jaal's or Kaidan's cases are different. They were planned as bisexual, just as Cullen, just they rejected the idea. And: the gay men haven't romance in ME before the ME3, because of "a homosexual Shepard doesn't make sense"... Make Jaal and Kaidan bi was a correction of a big mistake. About Jaal: after Kaidan's case, I not even thought, that they would capable of taking the same mistake, but they were. I can't say anything about... And why wrong to ask making Dorian bi? Because he's only gay male character in DA franchise. I think the straight options are good enough. Perhaps, not perfect for everyone, but ask for Dorian and Sera, just wrong. You can call me selfish.
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Cullen does not romance anyone but a Human or an Elf, and I want to play an F!Qunari. He is not an in-party character. I tried it, and went as far as the repeat kissy scene. It has nothing really to him except he is a very nice guy with a lirium addiction he is fighting, and that's covered in one conversation. He is from Ferelden, and was in earlier games. That about covers it. He is not even a Templar any longer. Some 20+ hours to find it out. Again, that's precisely the kind of nonsense with shuffling the cards till I get an okayish combo of the romance and the protagonist, but not my first pick of either that I do NOT want and what I did not have to go through in DA2. I've been through twenty years of not being able to romance a character I wanted to romance, and DA2 was such a huge relief... and DA3 took it away. And that is a big reason why it is so lackluster in comparison. I don't think that Dorian would have stood for an arranged marriage no matter what, providing how much he lashes against his parents' breeding union & their implied sexual repulsion for one another seeing that despite breeding being the whole point, they only had one child, no spares. He also had an option he is very aware of and airs in a conversation - living in luxury and misery with an unfortunate girl. And, tbh, given the ambitious nature of the Tevinter nobles and no anticipation of a union for love to start with, it need not have been a misery at all, because for all he knew, he could have easily landed with a sophisticated enough lady who had a preference for a free hand as long as the front was preserved. If anything, she might breathe out a sigh of relief. Well your expectations for RPGs is very different from mine and I don't believe I have anything to add to this argument because I generally play RPGs for their awesome stories and unique characters with their own personalities. If you want to romance everybody you want I suggest you play Saints Row My expectation of an RPG was to be able to co-create an awesome story. I had no experience with all romances being all opened to all players until DA2, and I was amazed at how awesome it turned out. A complete freedom of imagination and character creation AND characters that were incredible AND romances that mattered. All of it was imo lost in DA3, and for no gain as far as I can see. Here is Catilina talks about how everyone could be bi, save for Dorian and Sera by some reason. (Shrug) makes no sense whatsoever.
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Really? Non-consensual is non-consensual, and traumatic. That it is a more common practice does not make it any less of a tragedy. And, again, just like in Jaal's romance, the male content would have been preserved in the male story-line as it is right now, with a slight alterations for the female line. I believe there was some interest in a bisexual LI with stronger male leanings? I don't see how Jaal's or Kaidan's cases are different. They were planned as bisexual, just as Cullen, just they rejected the idea. And: the gay men haven't romance in ME before the ME3, because of "a homosexual Shepard doesn't make sense"... Make Jaal and Kaidan bi was a correction of a big mistake. About Jaal: after Kaidan's case, we not even thought, that they would capable of taking the same mistake, but they were. I can't say anything about... And why wrong to ask making Dorian bi? Because he's only gay male character in DA franchise. I think the straight options are good enough. Perhaps, not perfect for everyone, but ask for Dorian and Sera, just wrong. And Dorian could have been a bi character from the start, just like Reyes, and Anders. My original point is that if romances in MET, DA3 and A1 were like they are in DA2, we won't be even talking about "mistakes". Fewer of them, but with brighter characters and lovestories, more involved in the game itself, fleshed out and opened to all players. That's exactly were DA2 shined, and I will always regret that DA3 and A1 dropped this concept. A1 started to rectify it, so maybe they will make less shallow and more opened choices in the follow up games.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 10:44:10 GMT
I've confused myself thinking about this. I want fewer romances overall, yet decent choices within that. DAI handled 8 romances pretty well but I'd still take one or two less in return for more content for the others. MEA did a terrible job it seems, there's this long list of LIs yet many of them are lacking. Trying to represent every sexuality and romance type just leads to way too many candidates with lacklustre romance arcs. I'd like to go back to ME1 or DAO with 3 or 4 romances max (not that there was much content then either, but I'd love them to revisit it with their current storytelling). That would of course mean you'd need 2 bisexual characters which would then sadden those who want a purely homosexual experience. I romanced Dorian a couple of months ago and it did have a special edge to it that a bisexual Dorian just wouldn't have had, yet in a world with fewer LIs I doubt Dorian would exist. See? I have no idea how to fix that. I do know that the 'everyone is bi' thing in DA2 is super useful, yet a little odd. It somehow feels empty and lacking in authenticity to me whereas the defined sexuality of the other LIs is somehow more meaningful. I think the poll needs a 'buggered if I know' option.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 10:51:25 GMT
You know I kinda wish BioWare would just write 3 epic romances for the new DA, have set sexualities for them all and be like 'there you go bitches *drops the mic*'. Ignoring all the whining online and just writing 3 intense, quality experiences. 'But...but....there's no gay, female, dark haired, born on a Tuesday romance!!! You're not respecting my choices Bioware!' Deal. With. It.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 27, 2017 10:54:53 GMT
They were planned as bisexual, just as Cullen, just they rejected the idea. And: the gay men haven't romance in ME before the ME3, because of "a homosexual Shepard doesn't make sense"... Make Jaal and Kaidan bi was a correction of a big mistake. About Jaal: after Kaidan's case, we not even thought, that they would capable of taking the same mistake, but they were. I can't say anything about... And why wrong to ask making Dorian bi? Because he's only gay male character in DA franchise. I think the straight options are good enough. Perhaps, not perfect for everyone, but ask for Dorian and Sera, just wrong. And Dorian could have been a bi character from the start, just like Reyes, and Anders. My original point is that if romances in MET, DA3 and A1 were like they are in DA2, we won't be even talking about "mistakes". Fewer of them, but with brighter characters and lovestories, more involved in the game itself, fleshed out and opened to all players. That's exactly were DA2 shined, and I will always regret that DA3 and A1 dropped this concept. A1 started to rectify it, so maybe they will make less shallow and more opened choices in the follow up games. IF we would get only bisexual character in DAI, that would have been okay. But asking "make Dorian (or and Sera) bi" totally wrong. This is the difference. DA2 was fine for me, you know.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 11:05:40 GMT
I've confused myself thinking about this. I want fewer romances overall, yet decent choices within that. DAI handled 8 romances pretty well but I'd still take one or two less in return for more content for the others. MEA did a terrible job it seems, there's this long list of LIs yet many of them are lacking. Trying to represent every sexuality and romance type just leads to way too many candidates with lacklustre romance arcs. I'd like to go back to ME1 or DAO with 3 or 4 romances max (not that there was much content then either, but I'd love them to revisit it with their current storytelling). That would of course mean you'd need 2 bisexual characters which would then sadden those who want a purely homosexual experience. I romanced Dorian a couple of months ago and it did have a special edge to it that a bisexual Dorian just wouldn't have had, yet in a world with fewer LIs I doubt Dorian would exist. See? I have no idea how to fix that. I do know that the 'everyone is bi' thing in DA2 is super useful, yet a little odd. It somehow feels empty and lacking in authenticity to me whereas the defined sexuality of the other LIs is somehow more meaningful. I think the poll needs a 'buggered if I know' option. Were I to deepen DA3 pool, what I would have done is reduce the # of joinable companions to Solas, Dorian, Josephine as a Mage Sera, Cole, Varric Cassandra, Cullen, Bull Leliana would remain as Advisers & have Josephine have a chance to become a Divine and keep Dorian, Cullen, Sera and Josephine as bi romances, with Solas as a bi elven-special strange relation thing, and add bi Bull & Cassandra's if they had time/resources. That would keep the brighter/plot-important characters in the romantic spotlight & don't waste good chars on advisers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 11:10:53 GMT
You know I kinda wish BioWare would just write 3 epic romances for the new DA, have set sexualities for them all and be like 'there you go bitches *drops the mic*'. Ignoring all the whining online and just writing 3 intense, quality experiences. 'But...but....there's no gay, female, dark haired, born on a Tuesday romance!!! You're not respecting my choices Bioware!' Deal. With. It. A straight female, a bi female and a bi male would be a likely Bio combo. As long as they are Anders' quality epic, I would rather take a two bi chars deal. Like Origins would have been with bi Alistair and Morrigan kind of a deal, or DA2 with Anders and Aveline bi kind of a deal (or Isabela if her role in Act 1 was upgraded to major & you could not skip her recruitment). ANd, in DA3, Solas and Cassandra, where Solas romance is greatly expanded, available to all races and both are bi, obviously. I would not mind that if each romance is reactive to player, has more to it than one path and very integrated into what's going on in the game. it's possible, but complaints will happen.
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Post by LogicGunn on Jul 23, 2017 13:26:16 GMT
I'm on the fence. Kind of prefer set orientations, but honestly I think playersexual solves a lot of broken hearts (and trolling).
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Post by Jarovbees on Jul 23, 2017 15:10:48 GMT
I'm leaning more towards set orientations, but with bi/pansexual LIs being more numerous. More options for everyone, but representation is still a factor.
And I'd also be fine with trimming the number of romances if everyone got equal amounts of content.
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Post by isaidlunch on Jul 24, 2017 14:26:11 GMT
My main gripe with set orientations is that I feel pressured into spoiling myself on who the romances are and choosing the gender of my PC based on that. I could just go in blind, but every time I've done that I've ended up disappointed lol.
Still prefer it over playersexual though
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 14:45:35 GMT
I'm leaning more towards set orientations, but with bi/pansexual LIs being more numerous. More options for everyone, but representation is still a factor. And I'd also be fine with trimming the number of romances if everyone got equal amounts of content. You can't trim it down much if you add set orientations AND every orientation gets equal number of matches AND at least 2 choices matching the set orientation. 6 is minimum, and you will be have 2 chars that will respond to your flirting and 1 that will reject it. And you now cannot build in the species gating, because you will be potentially taking away the only alternative. On the whole, the sore point for me is not so much the number of options, it's the build-in auto-rejection function. It is incredibly frustrating when the romance was made, but you cannot access it unless you surrender your choice of the PC's identity.
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Post by Walter Black on Jul 27, 2017 0:38:28 GMT
A few questions, Jade Dreamer:
1) What exactly is so fascinating to you about Dorian and his romance arc that you feel you can't get from any other characters?
2) Just what is it do you think you could get out of romancing Dorian as a woman that you cannot get while roleplaying as a man?
3)Why would you have to be "forced" to roll a male PC anyway? Why couldn't such a character be an equally rewarding narrative?
4) While a hypothetical straight Dorian's struggles would still be dramatic, why do you deny that they simply wouldn't have the same weight or resonance as a gay man?
5) Why do you have such a problem with David Gaider writing the character HE created the way HE wanted? Specifically, that the entire point of Dorian Pavus is that he was an openly gay man in Tevinter?
5) Why is your ability to romance Dorian as a female more important than David Gaider's artistic vision, or the character's importance in LGBTQ representation?
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