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Post by lucidae on Jun 7, 2017 2:24:12 GMT
I'm still in favor of dual protagonist with 80% of new protagonist and 20% for old protagonist. That way, we'll have a new protagonist who can explore the Tevinter Imperium including, like, from the background of a slave that rises from the bottom and works their way up. That way, we'll also have the old protagonist - the Inquisitor - that we can play like, say, during a showdown with Solas which allows the personal connection between the two to come into play without needing to base the entire game around the Inquisitor. Given how the Inquisitor is perceived as in the Tevinter Imperium and how well-known their appearance would be, I don't think operating incognito would be possible and I think operating openly would be too limiting. I also think it'd be badass to have the Inquisitor make a return like showing up in some dire circumstances to help out the new protagonist. I really hope we see the Inquisitor with a prosthetic. I like the idea of a disabled hero and we know mages don't need to wield a staff to cast, we've saw a crossbow prosthetic in one of the Trespasser slides and there exist accounts of prosthetic hands that allowed sword wielding. An example of the last would be Götz Von Berlichingen, a mercenary from the 16th century, who lost a hand during a battle but took on a replacement prosthetic that enabled him to wield a sword and continue to fight until the age of 64. I like this too! I don't see how we can resolve anything with Solas without our inquisitor present. Especially if the inky is a Lavellan who romanced Solas. And Weekes did say something along the lines of preferring to give romance stories some sort of closure (whether or not it's the happy fluffy kind or rip out your heart is tbs). I see us playing a ton of the game as a new protagonist and then having a few critical cutscenes/dialogues as our inquisitor. I don't care to have my inquisitor in any fight scenes though. Perhaps it's just how I want to RP my characters though. I see my canon inquisitor (Lavellan archer who romanced Solas) retiring from combat afterwards and really taking on more of an executive role. She's a tough cookie but would still be really weary emotionally and physically after everything that's happened to her. And honestly probably more emotionally drained than anything.
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Post by Ean'Harel on Jun 7, 2017 8:32:29 GMT
We'll get to fight a blighted Titan! Along with an army of blighted Sha-Brytol in red lyrium armors. (((Please make it true!)))
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Post by eriador117 on Jun 7, 2017 9:53:14 GMT
We'll get to help Fenris in a slave rebellion against Tevinter. Okay, that's more of a wish than speculation I really can't see how they can do without the Inquisitor in at least some parts. People who might be companions: Dorian as an advisor, Charter and Scout Harding as party members. Maybe Mae or Calpernia as well? Places I'd like to see: Tevinter, Seheron, the Hundred Pillars, the Silent Plains, Nevarra, Rivain. No more deserts, please.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 12:16:48 GMT
We'll get to help Fenris in a slave rebellion against Tevinter. Okay, that's more of a wish than speculation I really can't see how they can do without the Inquisitor in at least some parts. People who might be companions: Dorian as an advisor, Charter and Scout Harding as party members. Maybe Mae or Calpernia as well? Places I'd like to see: Tevinter, Seheron, the Hundred Pillars, the Silent Plains, Nevarra, Rivain. No more deserts, please. You know what? This is not a bad idea really
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Post by shechinah on Jun 7, 2017 14:22:33 GMT
We'll get to help Fenris in a slave rebellion against Tevinter. Okay, that's more of a wish than speculation I'm kind of hoping that won't be the case since I can't see Fenris return to the Tevinter Imperium given hoe well-known he was as Danarius' slave especially because of his markings and it is Fenris who brings up how poorly a slave rebellion usually fares so it does seem like he'd be motivated to return for that reason. I also can't see him returning to the Tevinter Imperium for any reason really given how significant parts of his story in Dragon Age II was about ending his connections to the Imperium: Danarius, Hadriana, Varania. I just feel it would kind of undo how he's finally escaped from his past, dealt with it and can now start over. That's, of course, just my opinion of it. Oh, for clarification: I'm not against the idea of a slave rebellion in the Tevinter Imperium, I just rather not see Fenris in the Tevinter Imperium unless it is as a cameo in a world state where he's handed over to Danarius.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 7, 2017 14:25:16 GMT
I'm still holding out hope that the protagonist of Dragon Age 4 will have a slave background. Tevinter is about the only place in Thedas where that background can be done since unlike Orlais, slavery is an openly practice and part of the country.
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Post by arvaarad on Jun 7, 2017 14:54:12 GMT
I'm still holding out hope that the protagonist of Dragon Age 4 will have a slave background. Tevinter is about the only place in Thedas where that background can be done since unlike Orlais, slavery is an openly practice and part of the country. I'd be excited to see the inversion of the usual "human warrior/rogue = noble, human mage = circle" thing. Even though I don't play humans, it would be fun to see the script flipped. Now the mage human is the noble, and the rogue/warrior humans are in an underclass.
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Post by eriador117 on Jun 7, 2017 15:36:17 GMT
We'll get to help Fenris in a slave rebellion against Tevinter. Okay, that's more of a wish than speculation I'm kind of hoping that won't be the case since I can't see Fenris return to the Tevinter Imperium given hoe well-known he was as Danarius' slave especially because of his markings and it is Fenris who brings up how poorly a slave rebellion usually fares so it does seem like he'd be motivated to return for that reason. I also can't see him returning to the Tevinter Imperium for any reason really given how significant parts of his story in Dragon Age II was about ending his connections to the Imperium: Danarius, Hadriana, Varania. I just feel it would kind of undo how he's finally escaped from his past, dealt with it and can now start over. That's, of course, just my opinion of it. Oh, for clarification: I'm not against the idea of a slave rebellion in the Tevinter Imperium, I just rather not see Fenris in the Tevinter Imperium unless it is as a cameo in a world state where he's handed over to Danarius. Yeah, it was really more of a wish to see Fenris again. I don't think it will happen though. Unless he was very well-disguised or something. Didn't Varric say something about Fenris killing slavers? Although that might not have been Tevinter. Yes, I remember now he said the slavers had been coming south after the Conclave and breach happened.
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Post by phoray on Jun 7, 2017 15:52:01 GMT
I named off all the potential bad guys drama already. How about my stab at likely Cameos and/or Character List: - Dorian is a duh
- Solas- depends on if they save him for a DLC or DA5. But we'll hear about him for sure.
- Calpernia is very likely
- Morrigan as the new Flemeth is expected.
- Lace Harding
- MAevaeris (sp)
- Stenishok
- Sandal is hinted
- Walk in and go to a "meeting" cameo of the chosen Divine and Kings/Queens/Empresses?
- The protag of the DA comic I haven't read yet
- Shale is possible
- Dagna? She plays the role of the mad inventor that comes up with impossible things pretty well. And cutely.
- Fenris (more of a wish than an expectation here)
Edit Add: I don't play MP but some people have suggested they could be likely characters as well.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 7, 2017 16:21:45 GMT
Haha I thought the Twitter Discussion Thread or the Blanketfort was the official place for the speculation. ... They are, but the currents suggest a further thread would supplement them nicely
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Post by shechinah on Jun 7, 2017 16:33:59 GMT
Yeah, it was really more of a wish to see Fenris again. I don't think it will happen though. Unless he was very well-disguised or something. Didn't Varric say something about Fenris killing slavers? Although that might not have been Tevinter. Yes, I remember now he said the slavers had been coming south after the Conclave and breach happened. According to banter, Fenris' markings show through everything. This apparently didn't translate well with the mechanics of the game but it is stated in the banter in Dragon Age II as I recall so I don't think a disguise would work. Yeah, the bit that Varric talked about was slavers coming to prey on refugees outside of Tevinter. Similar to the slavers that came to prey on the refugees in Kirkwall, I think.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 7, 2017 17:06:31 GMT
I'd be excited to see the inversion of the usual "human warrior/rogue = noble, human mage = circle" thing. Even though I don't play humans, it would be fun to see the script flipped. Now the mage human is the noble, and the rogue/warrior humans are in an underclass. That said, they could still make the mage protagonist a slave as well since slaves are not exempted from slavery because they are capable of magic. Their master is just obligated to train them enough that the slaves can control their magic. They can train them more but that's at the whim of the master's mood and interest. Apparently, slaves with magic are sometimes sold to the Circle of Magi as fuel for experiments because of the magic in their blood. This is going by Calpurnia's short story. I can recommend the read, by the way. It provides a look into Tevinter from the perspective of a slave. I am interested in seeing the inversion of mages and non-mages and it's effect on society. Like how magic is interwoven with daily life and permeates so much of the Tevinter Imperium like it's culture, history and even religion. I just hope they don't try to downplay its complexities and nuances. Also, if we go to Minrathous and see the city then I really hope they capture how this is one of, if not the, the largest city in Thedas.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jun 7, 2017 17:21:52 GMT
We'll get to help Fenris in a slave rebellion against Tevinter. Okay, that's more of a wish than speculation I do wonder if DA4 won't be about Solas helping to inspire a slave rebellion in Tevinter in order to get something he wants, like an elven artifact locked in a vault deep within Minrathous' Circle of Magi. The amount of magical wards around such a place could feasiby deny even a demigod from storming the place, but if he created enough chaos, it might leave Solas free to get into the vault.
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Post by arvaarad on Jun 7, 2017 18:26:36 GMT
We'll get to help Fenris in a slave rebellion against Tevinter. Okay, that's more of a wish than speculation I do wonder if DA4 won't be about Solas helping to inspire a slave rebellion in Tevinter in order to get something he wants, like an elven artifact locked in a vault deep within Minrathous' Circle of Magi. The amount of magical wards around such a place could feasiby deny even a demigod from storming the place, but if he created enough chaos, it might leave Solas free to get into the vault. Considering how much they straight-up lifted magic from the ancient elves, it may be remarkably easy for an ancient elf to get in. Using powerful tools without understanding how they work is a great way to riddle your code magic with security holes. Solas peeps into their stack, realizes they're doing the magical equivalent of unsanitized SQL input, and performs an injection attack from halfway across the world. Meanwhile some poor confused young altus is wondering why all the wards are suddenly appearing as ASCII art wolves.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 7, 2017 20:17:33 GMT
I'm pretty convinced that there will be something that Solas needs somewhere in Tevinter, probably right under Minrathous just to make it a bit more tricky for him to get it or may be buried in Arlathan Forest in the sunken city. Or may be some big shot Magister is just using the item as a paperweight. Clearly he is lacking something so he cannot go ahead with his plan straight away.
In terms of choosing the Qun or Tevinter it might well be either in getting aid against Solas, where the Qun might actually be more reliable allies than Tevinter, since some crazy Magisters probably would like the world flooded with magic, or alternatively it will be with regard to a specific location like Seheron. For me, if that was the case, then my choice would be neither and I would want a third option to ally with the Fog Warriors and turf out both sets of conquerors. I really want to either ally with the Fog Warriors as a faction or have a Fog Warrior/Fog Dancer as a companion. Since they are said to dress in white to blend in with the fog, I'm thinking that some of the white robbed figures in that concept art could possibly be Fog Warriors.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jun 7, 2017 21:42:59 GMT
I do wonder if DA4 won't be about Solas helping to inspire a slave rebellion in Tevinter in order to get something he wants, like an elven artifact locked in a vault deep within Minrathous' Circle of Magi. The amount of magical wards around such a place could feasiby deny even a demigod from storming the place, but if he created enough chaos, it might leave Solas free to get into the vault. Considering how much they straight-up lifted magic from the ancient elves, it may be remarkably easy for an ancient elf to get in. Using powerful tools without understanding how they work is a great way to riddle your code magic with security holes. Tevinter seems to have figured out how to do things with blood magic that leaves Solas stumped. The occulara are a prime example; Solas comments that he has never seen magic like this, even though they locate keys to an elven temple. He was also skeptical that Alexius actually managed to figure out time magic. In fact, the whole plot of DAI is the result of Solas underestimating the capabilities of a Tevinter mage.
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Post by phoray on Jun 7, 2017 22:04:04 GMT
I'm pretty convinced that there will be something that Solas needs somewhere in Tevinter, probably right under Minrathous just to make it a bit more tricky for him to get it or may be buried in Arlathan Forest in the sunken city. Or may be some big shot Magister is just using the item as a paperweight. Clearly he is lacking something so he cannot go ahead with his plan straight away. In terms of choosing the Qun or Tevinter it might well be either in getting aid against Solas, where the Qun might actually be more reliable allies than Tevinter, since some crazy Magisters probably would like the world flooded with magic, or alternatively it will be with regard to a specific location like Seheron. For me, if that was the case, then my choice would be neither and I would want a third option to ally with the Fog Warriors and turf out both sets of conquerors. I really want to either ally with the Fog Warriors as a faction or have a Fog Warrior/Fog Dancer as a companion. Since they are said to dress in white to blend in with the fog, I'm thinking that some of the white robbed figures in that concept art could possibly be Fog Warriors. They've researched strengthening the veil far more deeply and thoroughly than the Chantry Templars have. In a way, that would make them Veil Experts only second to Solas, the creator of the veil. They may be pretty good allies on that front, I agree.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 22:07:02 GMT
I'm pretty convinced that there will be something that Solas needs somewhere in Tevinter, probably right under Minrathous just to make it a bit more tricky for him to get it or may be buried in Arlathan Forest in the sunken city. Or may be some big shot Magister is just using the item as a paperweight. Clearly he is lacking something so he cannot go ahead with his plan straight away. In terms of choosing the Qun or Tevinter it might well be either in getting aid against Solas, where the Qun might actually be more reliable allies than Tevinter, since some crazy Magisters probably would like the world flooded with magic, or alternatively it will be with regard to a specific location like Seheron. For me, if that was the case, then my choice would be neither and I would want a third option to ally with the Fog Warriors and turf out both sets of conquerors. I really want to either ally with the Fog Warriors as a faction or have a Fog Warrior/Fog Dancer as a companion. Since they are said to dress in white to blend in with the fog, I'm thinking that some of the white robbed figures in that concept art could possibly be Fog Warriors. What if you choose between Tevinter or Qunari but their leaders are Sten and Dorian?
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Post by phoray on Jun 7, 2017 22:09:09 GMT
I'm pretty convinced that there will be something that Solas needs somewhere in Tevinter, probably right under Minrathous just to make it a bit more tricky for him to get it or may be buried in Arlathan Forest in the sunken city. Or may be some big shot Magister is just using the item as a paperweight. Clearly he is lacking something so he cannot go ahead with his plan straight away. In terms of choosing the Qun or Tevinter it might well be either in getting aid against Solas, where the Qun might actually be more reliable allies than Tevinter, since some crazy Magisters probably would like the world flooded with magic, or alternatively it will be with regard to a specific location like Seheron. For me, if that was the case, then my choice would be neither and I would want a third option to ally with the Fog Warriors and turf out both sets of conquerors. I really want to either ally with the Fog Warriors as a faction or have a Fog Warrior/Fog Dancer as a companion. Since they are said to dress in white to blend in with the fog, I'm thinking that some of the white robbed figures in that concept art could possibly be Fog Warriors. What if you choose between Tevinter or Qunari but their leaders are Sten and Dorian? The decision based on those two would only matter to the fans of the series who know who both are. Newbies would be likely to pick Dorian, because Stenishok probably wouldn't get much screen time. I personally really just don't think we'll get to ally with the Qun any more deeply that we allied with them when we ran the Inquisition.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 22:17:46 GMT
What if you choose between Tevinter or Qunari but their leaders are Sten and Dorian? The decision based on those two would only matter to the fans of the series who know who both are. Newbies would be likely to pick Dorian, because Stenishok probably wouldn't get much screen time. I personally really just don't think we'll get to ally with the Qun any more deeply that we allied with them when we ran the Inquisition. Yes probably not, because making that much of a difference in gameplay would cost so much money and time. But it would be really cool if we get to see Stenishok again. That's a really cool name btw
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Post by LordGunSmith90 on Jun 7, 2017 22:36:52 GMT
I want an elf slave origin.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jun 7, 2017 22:42:58 GMT
I want an elf slave origin. Heck, I'd prefer this not just limited to Elves. Let Humans start as slaves, too. Inquisition proved the writers aren't equipped to handle a wide variety of disparate backgrounds, so the more options they can combine into the fewest possible "origins", the better.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jun 7, 2017 22:46:10 GMT
Well, all races become slaves in Tevinter: elf, human, dwarf and qunari.
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Post by Walter Black on Jun 7, 2017 22:52:36 GMT
A fun/horrible idea occurred to me a while ago. What if, to bulk up the strength of his supporters, Solas started turning them into werewolves? Now that you mention it.... How did we not see this!!??!? Cute, but given the events of All New, Faded for Her, I find it more likely that Solas would have burned Zathrian to a cinder. Even if he sympathized with what happened to the Keeper's children, I can't see the Dread Wolf forgiving the mutilation and mind rape of an innocent nature spirit to achieve said vengeance.
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Post by phoray on Jun 7, 2017 22:56:32 GMT
Well, all races become slaves in Tevinter: elf, human, dwarf and qunari. I've heard someone argue at another time/thread that to keep dwarven slaves would alienate the Dwarven Merchant presences there in Tevinter.
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