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Post by Sanunes on Jun 12, 2017 5:12:26 GMT
Since they were showcasing it on the X Box X (sigh), I doubt they would have made Andromeda look like this unless they were designing it for that console. They would still have to make it work on XB1 tho. In XBX they would be aiming for 4K resolution. Edmonton is just better and more experience with Frostbite and have more resources at their disposal. Right, but I remember Inquisition and how people were calling for an official investigation for false advertising because the 360/PS3 versions of the game looked inferior compared to the demonstrated XB1/PS4 versions. So that might happen as well again.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 12, 2017 5:16:19 GMT
None of the options really match how I feel right now. I did not see anything bad in the reveal (have not seen the gameplay admittedly) but I am curious. The trailer was very solid...and to be frank it is a BioWare game so a lot of the things it was talking about in the trailer looked like 'classic BioWare'. And from all the stuff they have revealed I think the production values, the presentation, and the polish is going to be a LOT higher then Andromeda because it seems like EA/ bioWare is devoting more time, attention, and resources to it. Coupled with being developed by the 'veteran studio'...as an aside, its tragic, and again BioWare did an amazing job with the hand they were dealt, but it is becoming increasingly clear that EA views ME as damaged goods. And not because of the failures of Andromeda, but the failures of ME 3.
However, all this said, I am very skeptical. The rumors of it being always online, or BioWares answers to the Division or Destiny. A persistant online state. And if anyone can do it right...its BioWare. Like with MMOs, I hate MMOs, but my favorite MMO is TOR. However, I only got to like the third planet. Why? Because despite how successful TOR was to me....it was still an MMO. So if its persistantly online, I can't say I will buy t...I can't say I won't, but there is a lot of problems I have with it and how much of an 'RPG' it will be. Which is actually fine, I think BioWare could be good at making an adventure game...like Telltale, but its still a risk, its still an experiment, and throw in always online and its a lot more so...\
But it does look good.
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Post by panzerwzh on Jun 12, 2017 5:19:52 GMT
Another grindy action shooter? Thanks, no interested at all.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 12, 2017 5:31:08 GMT
I can understand their wanting to do something new. I can understand their desire to get on the money train. I can't help but look at this, though, and wonder what they could've done with ME. If they'd made a ME game anywhere near this slick, they'd have resurrected the IP. Instead we got a well intentioned effort that never escaped development hell. I enjoyed MEA, but it isn't up to the standard I'd hoped. Seeing Anthem, finally, I now know that they could've blown away my hopes and expectations. It adds to my feelings of disappointment. Its too early for me to say if Andromeda was a slick as they are portraying Anthem to be for there is still 15 or so more months of development time left. The thing is if the game is purely an action game I think I would still prefer what we got for Andromeda even though its presentation is flawed because it has the action-RPG trappings. I'm not sure to which "trappings" you're referring, so I can't agree or disagree. I play MEA in UHD+HDR10, and it looks really nice. Still, it has some of the same ME goofiness that typified the OT. This was a great opportunity, with a new engine and new hardware, to leave the goofiness in the past. ME is made by its story, its atmosphere and its writing. Those ME whacky-wavy arm motions, or whatever other "endearing" ME nonsense, aren't needed for a ME game. Anthem shows me that they could've squeezed far more out of Frostbite for ME, had they given it more priority. Instead, the ME team seemingly spent most of their time idling, waiting for direction, chasing false trails, and bolting RP tech onto Frostbite. While MEA struggled, Anthem received a ton of attention from BioWare's most experienced devs. It's frustrating to see much of the years-long Internet speculation concerning MEA's development confirmed, to an extent. It feels like they really did drop ME into a second-tier position, much as the haters long speculated. It's done and over with, as they say. It's sad to see the results, though. I believe the report that ME has been shelved for now. It rings true. I speculated this very outcome before release, if the game's reception was as mixed as EA Play sneak peak reviews implied. The trolls ensured that the reception was even worse. Sigh.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 12, 2017 5:35:48 GMT
Its too early for me to say if Andromeda was a slick as they are portraying Anthem to be for there is still 15 or so more months of development time left. The thing is if the game is purely an action game I think I would still prefer what we got for Andromeda even though its presentation is flawed because it has the action-RPG trappings. I'm not sure to which "trappings" you're referring, so I can't agree or disagree. I play MEA in UHD+HDR10, and it looks really nice. Still, it has some of the same ME goofiness that typified the OT. This was a great opportunity, with a new engine and new hardware, to leave the goofiness in the past. ME is made by its story, its atmosphere and its writing. Those ME whacky-wavy arm motions, or whatever other "endearing" ME nonsense, aren't needed for a ME game. Anthem shows me that they could've squeezed far more out of Frostbite for ME, had they given it more priority. Instead, the ME team seemingly spent most of their time idling, waiting for direction, chasing false trails, and bolting RP tech onto Frostbite. While MEA struggled, Anthem received a ton of attention from BioWare's most experienced devs. It's frustrating to see much of the years-long Internet speculation concerning MEA's development confirmed, to an extent. It feels like they really did drop ME into a second-tier position, much as the haters long speculated. It's done and over with, as they say. It's sad to see the results, though. I believe the report that ME has been shelved for now. It rings true. I speculated this very outcome before release, if the game's reception was as mixed as EA Play sneak peak reviews implied. The trolls ensured that the reception was even worse. Sigh. Trolls in the media didn't help either.
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 12, 2017 5:41:13 GMT
So they took elements from Destiny, Attack on Titan, and HZD and squeezed them into a title?
Pretty meh so far.
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Post by Ponendus on Jun 12, 2017 5:45:38 GMT
I will probably buy it because I'm too big a Bioware fan not to (and their story usually makes up for any shortfalls elsewhere), but I am honestly not even remotely excited until I hear more about the SP campaign.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jun 12, 2017 5:45:44 GMT
I couldn't agree more. Imagine if MEA had received such handling. It might've been the definitive RPG, assuming pre-MEA levels of writing. As it is, all I can hope is that this game becomes a stable source of revenue, which they can use to go back to making RPGs. I'm not sure that we'll ever see a "proper" RPG out of BioWare again, once DA is finished. They seem to have lost the will, drive or skill. I'm not sure which. I enjoyed MEA, but it certainly wasn't nearly as good as it should've been. Now we begin to see where all of BioWare's focus was placed. Next to this, MEA seems even more of an afterthought. Edit: I just realized that I never really weighed in on the OP's question. I have no interest in any MP shooter, no matter how polished. I'm a grumpy, SP gaming-hermit who just wants to be left alone to play in peace. I play to get a break from people, rather than to join them. Yep, I'm not going to be particularly interested unless it provides a decent story/character driven SP experience without 80 hours of grind-to-win. I'm sceptical, to say the least. Plus I still have TW2, TW3, New Vegas, FO4 and DE:HR waiting for me. I'm actually feeling a bit angry at how much Bioware and EA seem to have prioritised this over MEA. Doesn't seem like a great way to treat your loyal fans. They probably got tired of how much their "loyal" fans called them SJW's and whining about the RGB endings.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 12, 2017 5:45:55 GMT
After seeing the gameplay, the game still looks very nice, solid, beatiful, and tight. But 1. No dialogue wheel. 2. More indication that its online only. So still skeptical.
I mean again I have no issue with BioWare expanding and trying to do different things for genre. It might be fun. But the questions are, what it seems right now, can BioWare successfully adapt to the new genre, something they have NEVER done before? And can they successfully tell a story in an online environment where they, and others, have had mixed results?
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Post by colfoley on Jun 12, 2017 5:53:43 GMT
Honestly, if you will permit me a second to expand. There is this idea that RPG games are the home of good stories and good characters. That everything else, pretty much, is drivel, that seems to e the impression. But quite probably the best series in terms of just pure writing, story, character, and setting...is BioShock. An FPS. I have played great stories for FPSs, (BioShock, COD MW 1 and 2), seen great stories for adventure games (Telltale, which is not my cup of tea but *meh*, I do know a good story when I see it.) Great stories for TPSs (actually can't really think of one...Last of Us? Uncharted?) Even played a great story before for a flight sim game (Ace Combat 5). So other genres can tell amazing stories, or at least great stories, the question is, can BioWare adap, if Anthem is not, in fact, an RPGt?
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Post by congokong on Jun 12, 2017 5:59:07 GMT
Back in my day, gaming was different.
You would blow on a cartridge, put it into your console, sit on the couch with some friends, and have a gay old time. No microtransactions, no patches, no updates, no DLC, no DRM, no online multiplayer only or whatever. Now even the big RPG maker Bioware has thrown away artistic integrity to appeal to the youngsters who wouldn't know a good game if Commander Shepard gave it an endorsement.
Kids these days, no respect for tradition...
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Post by suikoden on Jun 12, 2017 6:07:11 GMT
So they took elements from Destiny, Attack on Titan, and HZD and squeezed them into a title? Pretty meh so far. If you think this is meh you must have thought Andromeda was dogshit. This was the Andromeda I was hoping for when it was first announced.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 12, 2017 6:11:21 GMT
Right now I am meh. It just doesn't look like a bioware game and I am thinking about what could have been for MEA.
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Post by blueasari on Jun 12, 2017 6:21:09 GMT
After the disappointment of Andromeda I would never pre-order a Bioware game again but in saying that its clear this looks above and beyond Mass Effect - Andromeda and should have been made by these people.
I would say maybe, way too early but it does looks great, need more information.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 12, 2017 6:21:26 GMT
I don't think ME community will like Anthem much. Most of us like story games, not mix of Battlefield & Titanfall. I just cannot believe they put A-Team on this game, and at the same time the let trainees do MEA.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jun 12, 2017 6:28:57 GMT
Back in my day, gaming was different. You would blow on a cartridge, put it into your console, sit on the couch with some friends, and have a gay old time. No microtransactions, no patches, no updates, no DLC, no DRM, no online multiplayer only or whatever. Now even the big RPG maker Bioware has thrown away artistic integrity to appeal to the youngsters who wouldn't know a good game if Commander Shepard gave it an endorsement. Kids these days, no respect for tradition... "It was gay! Everyone was! But, back then we were called pole-fancies. It was real, good old-fashioned "grab the nearest tree and hold on for dear life" gay, not today's fancy, feather-bed, thread-count gay. People got hurt back then!"
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 12, 2017 6:32:56 GMT
I don't think ME community will like Anthem much. Most of us like story games, not mix of Battlefield & Titanfall. I just cannot believe they put A-Team on this game, and at the same time the let trainees do MEA. Anthem doesn't appear story or character driven but I think the main reason it will have a hard time winning over ME fans is that some of us will resent it because we will see this new unproven IP as the thing that put ME out to pasture. ME was the flagship franchise and it was tossed aside for this generic looking mech game. We can see now where the resources have been prioritized. I am kind of wondering what will happen to DA now.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jun 12, 2017 6:41:14 GMT
I don't think ME community will like Anthem much. Most of us like story games, not mix of Battlefield & Titanfall. I just cannot believe they put A-Team on this game, and at the same time the let trainees do MEA. I don't think the ME community even like Bioware games. Nothing beyond KOTOR or ME1 anyway. Maybe this will attract a new breed of Bioware fan that actually enjoys things instead of just hating on everything all the time. Man what a world that would be.
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Post by mesiasmith on Jun 12, 2017 6:44:55 GMT
First time I saw Anthem...., I thought ahhhhhh ME:A should be like this !! I never understand why Bioware made ME:A with many many flaws. but I thought I know it now.
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 12, 2017 6:45:29 GMT
So they took elements from Destiny, Attack on Titan, and HZD and squeezed them into a title? Pretty meh so far. If you think this is meh you must have thought Andromeda was dogshit. This was the Andromeda I was hoping for when it was first announced. I did think Andromeda was a dumpster fire, but I'm giving this game a chance and it's pretty meh to me so far.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 12, 2017 6:46:24 GMT
I don't think ME community will like Anthem much. Most of us like story games, not mix of Battlefield & Titanfall. I just cannot believe they put A-Team on this game, and at the same time the let trainees do MEA. I don't think the ME community even like Bioware games. Nothing beyond KOTOR or ME1 anyway. Maybe this will attract a new breed of Bioware fan that actually enjoys things instead of just hating on everything all the time. Man what a world that would be. The ME community is pretty hard to define at times. Look up any thread that asks people to rank the ME games from best to worst and you will find a different sets of answers every single time.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 12, 2017 7:29:50 GMT
Its too early for me to say if Andromeda was a slick as they are portraying Anthem to be for there is still 15 or so more months of development time left. The thing is if the game is purely an action game I think I would still prefer what we got for Andromeda even though its presentation is flawed because it has the action-RPG trappings. I'm not sure to which "trappings" you're referring, so I can't agree or disagree. I play MEA in UHD+HDR10, and it looks really nice. Still, it has some of the same ME goofiness that typified the OT. This was a great opportunity, with a new engine and new hardware, to leave the goofiness in the past. ME is made by its story, its atmosphere and its writing. Those ME whacky-wavy arm motions, or whatever other "endearing" ME nonsense, aren't needed for a ME game. Anthem shows me that they could've squeezed far more out of Frostbite for ME, had they given it more priority. Instead, the ME team seemingly spent most of their time idling, waiting for direction, chasing false trails, and bolting RP tech onto Frostbite. While MEA struggled, Anthem received a ton of attention from BioWare's most experienced devs. It's frustrating to see much of the years-long Internet speculation concerning MEA's development confirmed, to an extent. It feels like they really did drop ME into a second-tier position, much as the haters long speculated. It's done and over with, as they say. It's sad to see the results, though. I believe the report that ME has been shelved for now. It rings true. I speculated this very outcome before release, if the game's reception was as mixed as EA Play sneak peak reviews implied. The trolls ensured that the reception was even worse. Sigh. The trappings I am talking about is how the game makes me feel about the character, I want the character to feel like mine if there isn't systems in the game where I feel like I am in charge of my own path I get bored because it just feels like I am in a rollercoaster ride. Its why game with a static protagonist don't interest me. As far as what you are saying about Anthem compared to Andromeda for graphics and animations, I remember similar comments being leveled at the Anthem team with Mass Effect as well, so there could be reasons that we aren't considering why they are using things that make it look more off then. It is also a ways off from release so we won't know what Anthem might look like at launch as well, for Inquisition changed a bunch during its development as well.
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Post by mordingrimes on Jun 12, 2017 7:39:13 GMT
Pre-Order, this actually looks great.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Jun 12, 2017 7:45:10 GMT
Wait and see. I'm not condemning it because it is different (like Mass Effect subreddit does), I'm also not hooked because of the pretty graphics. As it stands, the game is not for me, but I said the same about Overwatch and now I'm hooked.
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Post by roseofquartz on Jun 12, 2017 7:53:38 GMT
To be honest? I guess I'm kind of annoyed.
They've confirmed the game can be played single player, but that still tells me nothing.
Pretty graphics and nice gameplay are okay, but Bioware is a company that has been famous for story, world building and characters, none of which were present.
Andromeda and Inquisition showed that Bioware doesn't handle an open world scenario well, and those two have also proven that multiplayer is also not something they know what to do with either. Yet they've thrown both those elements into the blender.
I hope they turn around and surprise me, but I'm not holding my breath.
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