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Post by Iakus on Jun 12, 2017 15:51:14 GMT
My thoughts? This is the last dying gasp of old Bioware. It has been devolving from RPG to action-rpg to shooter for years, and now they have been thoroughly digested by EA. Ah, the doom and gloom never gets old. Exhibit A & B, I bring you the Mass Effect and Dragon Age series. Anthem is simply the next logical step.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 12, 2017 15:52:09 GMT
I liked the demo. Many people forget that Bioware started with Mech suits, and had co-op in their first titles like BG and NWN. I am happy to see a return of this. As for the poll, no option really fits. If it ends up good, i'll buy it, but i won't pre-order. And what are they famous for? Not mech suits or coop.
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Post by linksocarina on Jun 12, 2017 15:53:59 GMT
I liked the demo. Many people forget that Bioware started with Mech suits, and had co-op in their first titles like BG and NWN. I am happy to see a return of this. As for the poll, no option really fits. If it ends up good, i'll buy it, but i won't pre-order. And what are they famous for? Not mech suits or coop. They did kind of start with Mech Suits and multiplayer though... People seem to forget Shattered Steel and MDK all the time. And of course, co-op LAN play for Baldur's Gate which was popular.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 12, 2017 15:54:04 GMT
The amount of skepticism is unreal and we're here in the unofficial forums. With that being said, I came up with this poll and its options just on what matters to as: will we spend the money or not. It's no longer of question of waiting it out by what has been posted. Edit: No, I may buy it... -(_ATHEM_)-
Call it the post ME:A effect.... I'm wary of any new Bio game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 15:56:22 GMT
I liked the demo. Many people forget that Bioware started with Mech suits, and had co-op in their first titles like BG and NWN. I am happy to see a return of this. As for the poll, no option really fits. If it ends up good, i'll buy it, but i won't pre-order. And what are they famous for? Not mech suits or coop. True, they are known for a strong narrative, but if this game has that, which is likely then there is no issue. We get good story, co-op and mech suits. I'll take it.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 12, 2017 15:58:00 GMT
And what are they famous for? Not mech suits or coop. They did kind of start with Mech Suits and multiplayer though... People seem to forget Shattered Steel and MDK all the time. And of course, co-op LAN play for Baldur's Gate which was popular. People forget about Shattered Steel and MDK because they pale in comparison to their other games. As I said, the ones that made them famous. And while co-op play might have been popular with Baldur's Gate, again it's the characters like Minsc, Edwin, Viconia, Imoen, etc, that are really remembered. Besides, which I HIGHLY doubt Anthem is going to allow for LAN co-op anyway. There's no microtransaction money to to be made that way.
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Post by LightningPoodle on Jun 12, 2017 15:58:19 GMT
BioWare are no longer the great storytellers they once were. Those days have gone. What Anthem looks like it delivers is a great way for us to truly craft our own stories, instead of trying to build our story within a fixed narrative like they have done with Andromeda and Inquisition.
I for one am truly excited about this game. I'm pre-ordering it as soon as and I think I will be upgrading my Xbox to play it as well. I think this game is definitely what BioWare need to redefine their core values as a company. Not to focus on building a RPG narrative, but a narrative that lets us play exactly how we want.
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 12, 2017 15:59:27 GMT
My thoughts? This is the last dying gasp of old Bioware. It has been devolving from RPG to action-rpg to shooter for years, and now they have been thoroughly digested by EA. I call bs on that. Dai was all about a more modern take on old bw and this is the old team for ME. They were always the action rpg team.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 12, 2017 16:00:46 GMT
And what are they famous for? Not mech suits or coop. True, they are known for a strong narrative, but if this game has that, which is likely then there is no issue. We get good story, co-op and mech suits. I'll take it. A pity they didn't actually show any of that in the demo...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 16:00:59 GMT
I have never played AC before, because the settings that interested me were in the older games with poorer graphics. Which means the whole point of playing it is lost. I also was thinking this morning that the VO in the trailer is probably not the Protagonist's voice, so that's one thing to double check. Still, if they deliver the setting with a silent protagonist, and he does look like that, I would like to go climb a few walls and kill a few high priests for the aesthetics. No other game was set in a realm that appealed to my imagination. They were all post-apocalyptic or failry, and those are not my thing. my list of games to buy atm is Tyranny, Prey and AC:O once I get them on sale, b/c I am risking trying a new (or, in case of Obsidian, outdated) game and two of them from developers I have not tried yet. look. Ac is a series that looks good on paper but has a horrible exacution. They always do interesting setting but mess it up with near everything else. They did the crusades, Renaissance,pirates, freach revolution, us revolution, and British industrial age and they all muck it up with grundy open world crap. And then came watch dogs and then devising and so on with the same crap. Sorry but history points to with UBISOFT that it will be the same grindy mess. Do not get your hopes up with ubisoft games. They are worse then ea. I get it. But I don't mind grinding solo for a bit if the setting is indeed gorgeous. From the periods listed, Crusades and Renaissance was what appealed to me, but they were really old and not that pretty. As long as I am not in competition with other players, the price is right, and the setting indeeed is pretty, and I can get like 20-30 hrs of fun out of it before I get bored, I'm interested. I am not expecting anything but a doll for protagonist and more than "today we'll kill 20 mummies and tomorrow we'll kill 25 other mummies" 'cause reasons. I find the game's premise laughable as presented in the movie, Assassins standing for some dumbed down free will in a vial, but I sure want to check out ancient Egypt, swing khopesh and have a doll wearing those outfits. As far as I know, nothing else will proved me with these costuming and setting, it's all either post-apocalyptic or fairy. I want exotic, with something different for once. edit: not sure why I am talking about AC in Anthem thread, lol.
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 12, 2017 16:02:30 GMT
I don't necessarily think this will be the Bob Dylan of video games they hoped it would be, but I could be wrong. They did think SWTOR would be the WoW-killer too... well, it was mostly because star wars. It's still no.2.it has a stable community and outlast all the moms that came out around it time. Guild ward 2 that came out the same time is dead with SWTOR is pulling out expansion that put what it had at launch to shame.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 12, 2017 16:02:55 GMT
Ah, the doom and gloom never gets old. Exhibit A & B, I bring you the Mass Effect and Dragon Age series. Anthem is simply the next logical step. Except they're not steps, they're games on the roster. Fun games (for me) I may add. Even with Anthem they're boasting their story-telling. I've been playing Bioware games as long as you have bud, if not longer. In my opinion, you tend to see the glass half-empty when it comes to Bioware.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 16:03:09 GMT
True, they are known for a strong narrative, but if this game has that, which is likely then there is no issue. We get good story, co-op and mech suits. I'll take it. A pity they didn't actually show any of that in the demo... Isn't that given though? Why would Bioware need to show off the things they always include in their games? The focus should be on actually showing what new toys they have. Maybe that is just me. Also EA wants the Destiny crowd to see this, they want to steal players from those types of games. Hence this trailer. I just think people are writing it off so soon with knowing so little, and for some reason assuming that Bioware will drop everything that is Bioware for this game.
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 12, 2017 16:06:32 GMT
Ah, the doom and gloom never gets old. Exhibit A & B, I bring you the Mass Effect and Dragon Age series. Anthem is simply the next logical step. me was always an action rpg and only issue in general was how it ended. Da as of Dai has brought me back.it had issues with the hinterland but put hype to a legendary level with the trespasser dlc. Added they made the greatest villain ever with Solais. Mea was made by a new team though...that did not listen to the warnings of the old team.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 12, 2017 16:06:41 GMT
The amount of skepticism is unreal and we're here in the unofficial forums. With that being said, I came up with this poll and its options just on what matters to as: will we spend the money or not. It's no longer of question of waiting it out by what has been posted. Edit: No, I may buy it... -(_ATHEM_)-
Call it the post ME:A effect.... I'm wary of any new Bio game.
Me too, but I have high hopes for Dragon Age. I can't wait, actually.
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Post by linksocarina on Jun 12, 2017 16:07:33 GMT
They did kind of start with Mech Suits and multiplayer though... People seem to forget Shattered Steel and MDK all the time. And of course, co-op LAN play for Baldur's Gate which was popular. People forget about Shattered Steel and MDK because they pale in comparison to their other games. As I said, the ones that made them famous. And while co-op play might have been popular with Baldur's Gate, again it's the characters like Minsc, Edwin, Viconia, Imoen, etc, that are really remembered. Besides, which I HIGHLY doubt Anthem is going to allow for LAN co-op anyway. There's no microtransaction money to to be made that way. Those characters became popular in Baldur's Gate 2, the co-op and world setting carried Baldur's Gate 1 to 2 though. Trust me when I say no one had a real personality in the first Baldur's Gate, save for the player character. What made them famous is kind of irrelevant to me. What matters is if they make a good game or not.
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 12, 2017 16:08:02 GMT
Exhibit A & B, I bring you the Mass Effect and Dragon Age series. Anthem is simply the next logical step. Except they're not steps, they're games on the roster. Fun games (for me) I may add. Even with Anthem they're boasting their story-telling. I've been playing Bioware games as long as you have bud, if not longer. In my opinion, you tend to see the glass half-empty when it comes to Bioware. that being said most people forget they started out make mech games.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 12, 2017 16:08:50 GMT
Exhibit A & B, I bring you the Mass Effect and Dragon Age series. Anthem is simply the next logical step. Except they're not steps, they're games on the roster. Fun games (for me) I may add. Even with Anthem they're boasting their story-telling. I've been playing Bioware games as long as you have bud, if not longer. In my opinion, you tend to see the glass half-empty when it comes to Bioware. After the last couple of games, I'm more "realist" when it comes to Biwoare
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 12, 2017 16:10:12 GMT
Except they're not steps, they're games on the roster. Fun games (for me) I may add. Even with Anthem they're boasting their story-telling. I've been playing Bioware games as long as you have bud, if not longer. In my opinion, you tend to see the glass half-empty when it comes to Bioware. After the last couple of games, I'm more "realist" when it comes to Biwoare
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Post by Iakus on Jun 12, 2017 16:13:48 GMT
People forget about Shattered Steel and MDK because they pale in comparison to their other games. As I said, the ones that made them famous. And while co-op play might have been popular with Baldur's Gate, again it's the characters like Minsc, Edwin, Viconia, Imoen, etc, that are really remembered. Besides, which I HIGHLY doubt Anthem is going to allow for LAN co-op anyway. There's no microtransaction money to to be made that way. Those characters became popular in Baldur's Gate 2, the co-op and world setting carried Baldur's Gate 1 to 2 though. Trust me when I say no one had a real personality in the first Baldur's Gate, save for the player character. What made them famous is kind of irrelevant to me. What matters is if they make a good game or not. Compared to RPGs at the time, they had personality. Trust me. I had never before seen characters that would abandon you or turn on each other based on personality conflicts. And to me a "good game" is a lot more than pew-pewing with my buds.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Jun 12, 2017 16:15:38 GMT
I don't know. With MEA they weren't talking about the CC and wouldn't show it off and look what we got. In my experience you show off your strengths. It is telling they only talked about story in response to tweets. Also the taglines they are using for the game do not mention story. With SWTOR they specifically went out of their way to talk about how important that was. So I'm not convinced until I see something.
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Post by liquidsnake on Jun 12, 2017 16:18:02 GMT
That's what I suspected but it gave me pause at first. I thought it was initially character dialogue even after they took off on the mission but once they started talking about XP it seemed like it was no longer the characters and instead just the players themselves supposed to be having a conversation. Overall it doesn't seem like this game is focused at all on characters which limits it's interest to me and I don't really know how strong the story will be as a result. I don't necessarily think this will be the Bob Dylan of video games they hoped it would be, but I could be wrong. We'll see about the characters. The purpose of this demo was to show off a vertical slice of the gameplay, specifically in a way that showed off the awesome effects and the new tech capability (Possibly at the request of Microsoft, depending on when that deal was worked out to have it at their press conference). I wouldn't necessarily make any snap judgements on what the focus on characters in this is. They do have a full writing team from what we know. Oh I agree. Like I said in my first post, it's just enough to give someone a tease and either pique their interest or not. By the LOOKS of the first trailer, characters are taking a backseat to co-op mission structure and environmental details. I'd say it would be very difficult to have a character driven story with a game centered on cooperative missions and a shared world online game, though like you said it's far to early to tell specifics on what the game would be. I was just sharing my first thoughts. Ah, the doom and gloom never gets old. Exhibit A & B, I bring you the Mass Effect and Dragon Age series. Anthem is simply the next logical step. I would argue that Mass Effect Andromeda has far more RPG features and was more a "return to form" as it were than Mass Effect 3 as an example with more character interaction, less forced player dialogue and just overall more classic RPG mechanics. I can't speak to DA since I'm currently playing Inquisition for the first time and have never played the others.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 12, 2017 16:18:56 GMT
I don't know. With MEA they weren't talking about the CC and wouldn't show it off and look what we got. In my experience you show off your strengths. It is telling they only talked about story in response to tweets. Also the taglines they are using for the game do not mention story. With SWTOR they specifically went out of their way to talk about how important that was. So I'm not convinced until I see something. What you said is true, but the game was just revealed. If they won't show off or talk about the story and the CC or other classic features, I'd agree that it's likely they're not in or not in the same way as other Bioware games (although it's hard to do worse then the MEA CC, and Destiny already had a CC).
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Post by Iakus on Jun 12, 2017 16:23:30 GMT
After the last couple of games, I'm more "realist" when it comes to Biwoare
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 12, 2017 16:24:03 GMT
Yep, I'm not going to be particularly interested unless it provides a decent story/character driven SP experience without 80 hours of grind-to-win. I'm sceptical, to say the least. Plus I still have TW2, TW3, New Vegas, FO4 and DE:HR waiting for me. I'm actually feeling a bit angry at how much Bioware and EA seem to have prioritised this over MEA. Doesn't seem like a great way to treat your loyal fans. They probably got tired of how much their "loyal" fans called them SJW's and whining about the RGB endings. -(_ATHEM_)-
A problem of their own making. Obviously, Bio Edmonton mgt also didn't care much about redeeming themselves from ME3's RGB ending. So, they shot themselves in the foot with ME:A and now reception for Anthem is luke warm as well.
Wait and see attitude is the best approach, imo.
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