inherit
✜ Forge Mechanic
352
0
Aug 30, 2023 16:01:17 GMT
6,256
PapaCharlie9
3,851
August 2016
papacharlie9
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jun 12, 2017 21:58:22 GMT
Once in a great while, in the great effluvia of interwebs discourse, a brilliant gem floats to the top. I just found such a gem. 1000% worth a read, and if I could, I'd post this in every sub of BSN. It ought to be a banner at the top of every page. But I'll settle for here.
This was a post in /r/AnthemTheGame by /u/tomato-andrew, in response to a pretty textbook OP about how Anthem is a sad departure from traditional Bioware fare, that open worlds suck, that there's no Bioware there, and that Anthem is just more evidence of the decline and fall of Bioware, etc. This was the reply:
|
|
commandercryptarch
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion
Origin: DFMelancholine
XBL Gamertag: dfmelancholine
PSN: DFMelancholine
Posts: 294 Likes: 406
inherit
1388
0
406
commandercryptarch
294
Sept 1, 2016 20:07:54 GMT
September 2016
commandercryptarch
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion
DFMelancholine
dfmelancholine
DFMelancholine
|
Post by commandercryptarch on Jun 12, 2017 22:21:39 GMT
Thanks for posting. This is what I have been wanting to say but I am not eloquent enough.Pretty much all of this 100%.
Let's not forget Destiny post-TTK expansion wasna vastly better game than vanilla .It was a complete experience.Plus it has an amazing community. I have yet to come across a shitty person on Destiny. Haven't had any negative experiences so far. I think many people who are saying Anthem trying to be like Destiny is a bad thing are : 1)People who played the vanilla gane and got mad with it ,rightfully so ,and never came back to play it after the Taken King expansion. 2)People who never played it at all and are basing their opinions on Destiny's bad launch. 3)People who hate any MP game.
|
|
JokeDealer
N2
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
XBL Gamertag: JokeDealer
Posts: 129 Likes: 185
inherit
2634
0
Mar 13, 2024 17:50:50 GMT
185
JokeDealer
129
January 2017
judgedrakkon
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
JokeDealer
|
Post by JokeDealer on Jun 13, 2017 7:43:14 GMT
That was a good read. I enjoyed it because I've been echoing similar sentiments for a while now. There are a lot of fans who still cannot stand the idea of Bioware and multiplayer, regardless of the fact that they haven't released a purely single player game since 2010. However, it's worth noting that Casey Hudson wanted to venture into multiplayer as early as Mass Effect 1, but the attempts never quite worked out. Also, let's not forget the Mass Effect FPS multiplayer that was cancelled -- I believe the footage of it still exists on the web somewhere.
Anthem is something new and I'm excited to see how it turns out.
|
|
inherit
✜ Theorymancer
2627
0
Jan 16, 2020 14:58:38 GMT
2,733
PillarBiter
2,366
January 2017
pillarbiter
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion
PillarBiter
|
Post by PillarBiter on Jun 13, 2017 9:07:38 GMT
A well written post. Can't in all honesty disagree.
I liked destiny for what it was, although it could've been better. I'm hoping Anthem is this better.
|
|
Wulfram
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
Origin: wulfram77
Posts: 489 Likes: 837
inherit
692
0
Jul 10, 2020 11:18:42 GMT
837
Wulfram
489
August 2016
wulfram
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
wulfram77
|
Post by Wulfram on Jun 13, 2017 9:59:21 GMT
The claim about the key people behind Mass Effect, KotOR etc being gone is just rubbish. As far as I can tell 5 of the 6 people credited with "Core Game Design" on KotOR are still at Bioware. And the one who has left was in charge of Anthem (Casey Hudson) at the beginning of the Project
The rest of the article I don't understand. Bioware are signalling that they've abandoned innovation to chase after the same old thing as everyone else, and this is good because... ?
|
|
Heimdall
N6
∯ Interjector in Chief
Staff Mini-Profile Theme: Heimdall
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: HeimdallX
Posts: 5,574 Likes: 12,623
inherit
∯ Interjector in Chief
279
0
1
Apr 25, 2024 10:00:04 GMT
12,623
Heimdall
5,574
August 2016
heimdall
Heimdall
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
HeimdallX
|
Post by Heimdall on Jun 13, 2017 12:37:01 GMT
The claim about the key people behind Mass Effect, KotOR etc being gone is just rubbish. As far as I can tell 5 of the 6 people credited with "Core Game Design" on KotOR are still at Bioware. And the one who has left was in charge of Anthem (Casey Hudson) at the beginning of the Project The rest of the article I don't understand. Bioware are signalling that they've abandoned innovation to chase after the same old thing as everyone else, and this is good because... ? I think his point was that this particular demo, not necessarily the game as a whole, is aimed at the mass audience going after all those other games to say , "This is like the things you like, try it." And that shouldn't be mistaken for losing all innovation, though it will be different from what they've done before.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
7959
0
Apr 25, 2024 17:31:03 GMT
Deleted
0
Apr 25, 2024 17:31:03 GMT
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 13:32:45 GMT
Well, for us, the players, to benefit from competition, we all need to get to see multiple games in the genre we prefer. The market for traditional RPGs is ultra-undersaturated right now. Anthem is compared to Destiny and Division, well, that's three games. What games do you have coming so you can play a BioWare like game in the next three years? Cyberpunk? Unknown release, and we don't know if it has party, or customized protagonist, plus it's an open world. DA4? Not even officially announced, and is likely to be OW. Plus, the setting is more tired than the infamous face, but, whatever, I'll take what I can get.
So, come now, what's coming out that is like DA2 and Andromeda in the next 3 years, with graphics at least on ME/DAo/NWN2 level, some voicing, customized protagonist, party-play, no OW?
What's coming out there for me?
what I see is taking from Jack to give to John.
the bottom line is -there is not enough AAA games on the market. They cost too much to develop, and take too long to produce to saturate the market. We really can't be choosy, like we are with tv shows or movies.
|
|
inherit
✜ Forge Mechanic
352
0
Aug 30, 2023 16:01:17 GMT
6,256
PapaCharlie9
3,851
August 2016
papacharlie9
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jun 13, 2017 20:27:45 GMT
The claim about the key people behind Mass Effect, KotOR etc being gone is just rubbish. As far as I can tell 5 of the 6 people credited with "Core Game Design" on KotOR are still at Bioware. And the one who has left was in charge of Anthem (Casey Hudson) at the beginning of the Project Yeah, I thought the KOTOR inclusion was a bit exaggerated, but you can't deny that BG, ME and DA lost their soul-parents, one way or the other. In any case, the larger point is, Bioware as a whole has changed significantly over time, so why is it a surprise that the games they make have changed? LOL, abandoned innovation? If they pull off a story-driven co-op loot-shoot grind game, they will be the first ever to have done so. You don't think that's innovative? Again, the larger point is, EA wants more revenue and action gamers have, collectively, more money, because it's a bigger market segment. Therefore, simple economic calculus is, go land that big fish first, by showing them a game that looks very familiar to the kind of game they like, while adding in that special Bioware story magic on top. Surprise and delight the larger segment, while reassuring the smaller segment, the traditional Bioware fanbase, that there is still some Bioware there. Eventually. When there's no risk of losing the attention of the bigger fanbase.
|
|
tjmitchem
N2
To the Archon! Face down, ass up.
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem
Origin: tjmitchem
Posts: 179 Likes: 283
inherit
2861
0
Jul 13, 2020 20:31:30 GMT
283
tjmitchem
To the Archon! Face down, ass up.
179
Jan 17, 2017 15:06:28 GMT
January 2017
tjmitchem
Mass Effect Trilogy, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem
tjmitchem
|
Post by tjmitchem on Jun 13, 2017 21:24:32 GMT
Again, the larger point is, EA wants more revenue and action gamers have, collectively, more money, because it's a bigger market segment. Therefore, simple economic calculus is, go land that big fish first, by showing them a game that looks very familiar to the kind of game they like, while adding in that special Bioware story magic on top. Surprise and delight the larger segment, while reassuring the smaller segment, the traditional Bioware fanbase, that there is still some Bioware there. Eventually. When there's no risk of losing the attention of the bigger fanbase. I wish I could like your post more than once. The segment that Bioware is targeting is incredibly lucrative. The Division has done over $500,000,000 in sales. Half a fucking billion dollars. If Bioware can give me a similar feel with Anthem, and include some of that good old Bioware storytelling, I'd say they hit it out of the park.
|
|
inherit
✜ Forge Mechanic
352
0
Aug 30, 2023 16:01:17 GMT
6,256
PapaCharlie9
3,851
August 2016
papacharlie9
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jun 13, 2017 21:50:47 GMT
The segment that Bioware is targeting is incredibly lucrative. The Division has done over $500,000,000 in sales. Half a fucking billion dollars. 330 million in just the first week. And The Division is considered a failure! Destiny made 500 million in pre-orders alone. Which is great, because it cost an estimated 500 million to make (3 year projection). Break-even on ship date is pretty sweet. In 2015 it had 30 million registered uses playing an average of 100 hours on the game. So those are the kinds of numbers at stake. Divide those numbers by 10 to 100 to get equivalent ME and DA comparisons.
|
|
tjmitchem
N2
To the Archon! Face down, ass up.
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem
Origin: tjmitchem
Posts: 179 Likes: 283
inherit
2861
0
Jul 13, 2020 20:31:30 GMT
283
tjmitchem
To the Archon! Face down, ass up.
179
Jan 17, 2017 15:06:28 GMT
January 2017
tjmitchem
Mass Effect Trilogy, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem
tjmitchem
|
Post by tjmitchem on Jun 13, 2017 22:47:56 GMT
330 million in just the first week. And The Division is considered a failure! This is what happens when you lose the majority of your playerbase three months in. The Division has a number of serious issues, and Massive hasn't been able to fix any of them yet. - Crippling bugs
- Rampant cheating on the PC version
- Zero endgame content
- Brutal RNG. 99.5% of your drops are shit.
- PvP balance affecting PvE play.
If Bioware can avoid these issues with Anthem, they'll grab a large portion of the people who bought The Division. This is a potential goldmine for them. If they manage to integrate a real Bioware story with all that combat, I can't see Anthem being anything other that a smash hit.
|
|
Marduk
N2
Through Eluvians and beyond
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 220 Likes: 183
inherit
5021
0
183
Marduk
Through Eluvians and beyond
220
March 2017
marduk
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Marduk on Jun 14, 2017 8:04:50 GMT
"more competition is better for us as gamers all around"
Depends. whenever i think of EA competing, i am reminded of the ending of The Incredibles with the Speedster kid. he could win the gold medal, but he went for the silver one. EA can aim for the top but they don't need to. they make enough money with their sport games as it is so EA higher ups are happy as long as they just manage to be a part of Destiny trend with Anthem. Bioware as a part of EA can't ignore their philosophy but they can try to do their best of course and if Anthem turns out to be amazing it is mostly thanks to Edmonton, not EA.
Also publishers don't compete for quality or happiness of consumers necessarily, which is why we get stuff like exclusive DLCs with certain games.
|
|