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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 13, 2018 16:57:58 GMT
Well, by that exact same logic, there was no reason for Destiny to finagle a more seamless campaign into the everything-else coop game, because COD MW, Battlefield and Halo type MP FPS games were fine just bolting the SP campaign on the side. You went to the main menu, selected Single or Multiplayer, and that's it, never the twain shall meet. That's all the integration we would ever need, is what you're saying? There's no value in progress. Then, why did Destiny do it? They didn’t? Destiny’s story cohabits the same locations as the multiplayer content, but that’s as far as the connection goes. The story and characters treat your character as THE Guardian. I know, but you agree that is different than the traditional standalone SP campaign, like for Halo or COD? Why didn't Destiny just bolt it on the side like those games? Your argument is that there is no game value to doing anything different than Destiny, wrt to the campaign, by why did Destiny do something different from COD and Halo? Is Destiny as good as it gets?
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 13, 2018 17:18:01 GMT
They didn’t? Destiny’s story cohabits the same locations as the multiplayer content, but that’s as far as the connection goes. The story and characters treat your character as THE Guardian. I know, but you agree that is different than the traditional standalone SP campaign, like for Halo or COD? Why didn't Destiny just bolt it on the side like those games? Your argument is that there is no game value to doing anything different than Destiny, wrt to the campaign, by why did Destiny do something different from COD and Halo? Is Destiny as good as it gets? I don’t think Destiny really did anything meaningfully different. As soon as you leave the wide open spaces, each campaign mission became instanced and essentially no different from those other campaigns. You can see other players at the start sometimes, but part of that is just to recycle content.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 13, 2018 22:42:17 GMT
I don’t really see the problem. The group leader would be THE freelancer for a given campaign scenario. I don’t think finagling around that to make it “seamless” actually benefits the game in any way. Well, by that exact same logic, there was no reason for Destiny to finagle a more seamless campaign into the everything-else coop game, because COD MW, Battlefield and Halo type MP FPS games were fine just bolting the SP campaign on the side. You went to the main menu, selected Single or Multiplayer, and that's it, never the twain shall meet. That's all the integration we would ever need, is what you're saying? There's no value in progress. Then, why did Destiny do it? no it does not and it dilutes even more what we like about Bioware games hence why until Bioware becomes much MUCH more transparent about how this game actually works in the solo/campaign department I am not giving them the benefit of the doubt. Okay, I'm starting to understand what you guys are afraid of. You think that "more seamless" has to mean "more diluted". I get it. I don't necessarily agree, in the same way that I don't agree "larger open world" means a more diluted story, but now at least I understand what the core objection is. So let me put one more consideration out there: if it's a choice between a seamless story campaign or no story campaign at all, which would you prefer? It's possible that SP campaigns bolted on the side of MP games are no longer economically feasible. It may be that the reason we're seeing this drive to more and more seamless integration is because dev studios aren't willing to make two games for the price of one any more. If that feels too much like dilution to you, well then, you better hope I'm wrong and that there's no economic obstacle to AAA games being more like the ME and DA model, that are primarily a story-driven SP game, with MP bolted on the side. wait...what?
in Destiny 2 especially you are "that one guardian that he always talks about"..."that one guardian that ALONE got his light back" and so on and so forth.
you are basically the chosen one (you know that thing that most people make fun of Bioware for) and it is that way for every single story mission.....and then it all goes away while you are doing the socially shared activities. It is conceptually identical to playing halo 5 as Master chief and pointless diversity character agent Locke while you play as a random Spartan 4 in Warzone with the difference that in Destiny the levels/rank are shared between the two.
there is no economical barrier that prevents single player driven games with the OPTION of multiplayer bolted to the side
TW3, Dying Light, Doom 2016, Wolfenstein TNO and TNC, Dishonored 1 and 2, Far Cry 4 and 5, Resident Evil 7, Fallout 4....all of them met sales expectations, all of them are primarily single player games and SOME of them continued for YEARS to provide new content being profitable
newsflash, devs are becoming LAZY. And no, it is not me assuming, a Bungie employee got caught saying that making story content to fulfill contractual obligations was TOO HARD so they turned to eververse.
A DEDICATED dev team and loves what is doing will indeed produce a great single player game and quality will sell it and make it turn a profit and hey, you can even put cosmetic MTX for the suckers I am ALL for it
BUT
I am not sure bioware can do this anymore because 1: it is really not the same Bioware and 2 because "EA wants their destiny game" and not really a Bioware game
if it is a choice betweena diluted SP campaign and no campaign at all I choose not buy the goddamn game
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Post by helios969 on Feb 14, 2018 9:49:37 GMT
I'm totally fine without if it means getting back to telling good stories and creating a cohesive, compelling world. It's become a massive resource drain in recent years and the product as a whole has suffered for it. Though they could probably return to their roots with a bit of flirt and have relationships implied rather than explicit without really detracting too much...as in KOTOR.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 14, 2018 18:37:18 GMT
I'm totally fine without if it means getting back to telling good stories and creating a cohesive, compelling world. It's become a massive resource drain in recent years and the product as a whole has suffered for it. Though they could probably return to their roots with a bit of flirt and have relationships implied rather than explicit without really detracting too much...as in KOTOR. that is because people started whining about lack of diversity and not enough non heterosexual options and suddenly 26354 romances were required
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Post by helios969 on Feb 14, 2018 21:55:56 GMT
I'm totally fine without if it means getting back to telling good stories and creating a cohesive, compelling world. It's become a massive resource drain in recent years and the product as a whole has suffered for it. Though they could probably return to their roots with a bit of flirt and have relationships implied rather than explicit without really detracting too much...as in KOTOR. that is because people started whining about lack of diversity and not enough non heterosexual options and suddenly 26354 romances were required Yep, pretty much. And of course rather than being efficient with resources and just making romancable characters player sexual...nope, not good enough...players for some reason need characters to be explicitly gay or lesbian or bi or straight or whatever else. I guess people need to feel validated with their life choices to feel good about themselves. Really kind of sad from my POV.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 15, 2018 1:32:23 GMT
that is because people started whining about lack of diversity and not enough non heterosexual options and suddenly 26354 romances were required Yep, pretty much. And of course rather than being efficient with resources and just making romancable characters player sexual...nope, not good enough...players for some reason need characters to be explicitly gay or lesbian or bi or straight or whatever else. I guess people need to feel validated with their life choices to feel good about themselves. Really kind of sad from my POV. more like "I want a gay romance and I want to make sure that non gay romance seekers CAN NEVER EVER EVER him/ her". More than a matter of validating choices it's a matter of people wanting say"I have something you cannot have" which is even sadder
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Post by simit on Feb 15, 2018 3:06:36 GMT
or it might just be ppl want a romance they can identify with easier, if you want to throw around childish remarks like "i have something you cannot have" then maybe take a closer look at all the heterosexuals throwing there toys out the pram cause "she no ma type an iz uglish", if your that desperate to see the gay romance simply role the proper pc
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 15, 2018 12:55:32 GMT
or it might just be ppl want a romance they can identify with easier, if you want to throw around childish remarks like "i have something you cannot have" then maybe take a closer look at all the heterosexuals throwing there toys out the pram cause "she no ma type an iz uglish", if your that desperate to see the gay romance simply role the proper pc bullshit. In your close environment your romance choice for all intents and purposes (assuming he or she is player sexual) is exactly the sexuality you identify with without the need to go out of one way Chuck in your face "oh btw I am completely homosexual and I will turn down explicitly heterosexual advances" Explain to me EXACTLY how the fact that I, heterosexual romance seeking player, could romance female companion X, affects your experience if YOU, homosexual romance seeker player, can romance her as well BESIDES the fact that said romance is not exclusive and the writing team got out of their way to write some "I am turning you down" responses. Also, while I DID NOT mention this before because it IS a dead horse (which I will gladly necromance for this kind of occasion) and because it really is nothing but a strawman argument on your part, yes in past Bioware games some of the heterosexual romances got the short end of the stick either visually or under a writing point of view. (Mass effect 3 and DAI I am looking at you 2 for different reasons of course)
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Post by warden on Feb 15, 2018 15:24:40 GMT
romance while it's nice, at the same time it's overrated and even kinda boring.
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Post by simit on Feb 15, 2018 15:32:28 GMT
that sure is one tantrum you had there.
The difference between npc being player sexual an actually purely gay/straight etc etc is simple, story an dialogue, if you cant understand that well tuff
I had zero problem with any straight romance option in both ME3 an DA:I, but then i dont hold to some imaginary beauty checklist an, for me, they was just as good as every other BioWare game.
So you wanted to romance Dorian as a female? yep makes sense for him
Sera as a man? again total sense
But wait whats this magical thing, oh its a character creator, ohh my what delights
Your full argument, AGAIN, is one of a spoilt child throwing a tantrum, ITS A GAME, if the npc dont live up to your idea of "beauty" then so what an if you think X npc is better looking but is race/sex gated? then freaking roll that race/sex an experience it, the only thing stopping you is you
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 15, 2018 16:30:31 GMT
that sure is one tantrum you had there. The difference between npc being player sexual an actually purely gay/straight etc etc is simple, story an dialogue, if you cant understand that well tuff I had zero problem with any straight romance option in both ME3 an DA:I, but then i dont hold to some imaginary beauty checklist an, for me, they was just as good as every other BioWare game. So you wanted to romance Dorian as a female? yep makes sense for him Sera as a man? again total sense But wait whats this magical thing, oh its a character creator, ohh my what delights Your full argument, AGAIN, is one of a spoilt child throwing a tantrum, ITS A GAME, if the npc dont live up to your idea of "beauty" then so what an if you think X npc is better looking but is race/sex gated? then freaking roll that race/sex an experience it, the only thing stopping you is you To me its about the quality of the relationship and right now the majority of them feel like high school relationships because the quality isn't there. If the only difference between a female NPC being known to be a straight relationship for a male character and a same-sex relationship for a female protagonist is the meta knowledge of knowing that to me that is the problem with the people complaining. The representation is there, but instead of just shoving quantity at us I would much rather start to see some quality behind the romances I would be for that. Have more NPCs that you cannot have a relationship with represent the different representations they want and limit relationships to two or three well thought out and crafted relationships that mean more then just a quick bang at the end of dialogue choices.
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Post by simit on Feb 15, 2018 17:26:57 GMT
Oh i agree m8, i'd rather have considerably less but a better story an to do that, yes, sexuality is threw out the window an all that matters is , to me the most important feature, story but to come on an start crying about how x romance npc is, in your opinion, ugly, is so beyond freaking ludicrous it a joke.
I dont think romance will ever be done right for myself in a BioWare game it why, although i go for trophies, they dont bother me much, to do it right i think the game needs to be built on the idea an have it interlocked with the main story, right now, as you said, it all just checklists an bang, im no even interested in the "bang" part i just want story tbh, i think it why if i picked ones that were closest to what i had in mind it prob be Morrigan an Alistairs, they 2 closest i seen to my idea of something tied to the main plot then the turmoils happening with it
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 15, 2018 19:09:00 GMT
that sure is one tantrum you had there. The difference between npc being player sexual an actually purely gay/straight etc etc is simple, story an dialogue, if you cant understand that well tuff I had zero problem with any straight romance option in both ME3 an DA:I, but then i dont hold to some imaginary beauty checklist an, for me, they was just as good as every other BioWare game. So you wanted to romance Dorian as a female? yep makes sense for him Sera as a man? again total sense But wait whats this magical thing, oh its a character creator, ohh my what delights Your full argument, AGAIN, is one of a spoilt child throwing a tantrum, ITS A GAME, if the npc dont live up to your idea of "beauty" then so what an if you think X npc is better looking but is race/sex gated? then freaking roll that race/sex an experience it, the only thing stopping you is you LOL spoiled child? no, try customer who would like better quality and more options. but yes please do resort to insults and belittling to win an argument because that ALWAYS goes down well
did you fail to read my post? I specifically asked you what the difference was BESIDES being told "I am purely homosexual and will reject heterosexual advances" )which you would only know by meta gaming of course) which you of course masquerade behind to story and dialogue. Do I not understand the difference? of course I do....it's but a little bit of exposition and of course a nice stroke to someone's feeling and mentality. Of course there ARE exceptions like Dorian whose back story hinges on the fact he is gay and he had to struggle because of his culture (I am over simplifying ) but even then hey there are ways around it that DO NOT require someone to roll a character of they might not enjoy rolling which AGAIN does not affect your experience at all unless you MUST have that reassurance that my oh my that character actually has stated his/her sexuality to me so I know that only someone of my orientation can ever have him/her in any possible permutation of the story. Yes you are right, it IS a game, a game made for us to be entertained and enjoy, more options = more chances to entertain and let people have a good time, your very pre concept is flawed at its core.
if you think that I have issues with some of the romances of ME3 and DAO because of the standard of beauty you are quite sorely mistaken (tho Cass was for some strange reason beaten to a pulp with an ugly stick between DA2 and DAI) Hell I even found -and I know I am the minority here- Cora quite attractive in Andromeda (tho I went for peebee, much more satisfying to see her grow that way). I had issues with the Disney Princess romance as well but for totally different reasons without mentioning the puzzling role imposition from Bull who is a switch quite obviously and forces the player to be a sub with no alternative but oh well.
ME3? oh lord where do I start. From changing the lore from ME2 to ME3 to make sure Thane died to making sure Jacob tosses Shepard aside to Kelly becoming a footnote, Tali's face and so on and so forth.
but yes please do assume it was all because of looks all the time
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Post by Amirit on Feb 16, 2018 10:42:31 GMT
that sure is one tantrum you had there. The difference between npc being player sexual an actually purely gay/straight etc etc is simple, story an dialogue, if you cant understand that well tuff... I specifically asked you what the difference was BESIDES being told "I am purely homosexual and will reject heterosexual advances" )which you would only know by meta gaming of course) which you of course masquerade behind to story and dialogue. Do I not understand the difference? of course I do....it's but a little bit of exposition and of course a nice stroke to someone's feeling and mentality. May be you do understand but you are saying something very different. It's not about mentality or feelings - it's about character's background and number of dialogs. Playersexual character can not mention his romantic past - otherwise there has to be 2 variations (or 3 if we count bisexual, or more if we count all of them). Romantic dialogs will be dried up to avoid any details that specifically identify characters preferences. And so on. And - no - DA2 is not a good example but exactly the demonstration of all problems that come with playersexuality. What ways? Seriously, I am not joking I am asking. Dorian simply can not be straight unless you write a separate story about it, that completely changes him. I do not see any way around it. Or for any other character for that matter. Unless you never play sexuality card at all, but in this case - see above (no ever mentioning your former girlfriends/boyfriends, no dramatic past with lost love, no present comments about you or someone else in the group gender-wise - nothing).
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Post by Faust on Feb 17, 2018 19:27:53 GMT
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 17, 2018 23:21:26 GMT
My guess? No romance except maybe some kind of brothel. I doubt there will be romanceable NPC's that we interact with out in the world. I doubt there will be a brothel.....
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Post by therevanchist25 on Feb 18, 2018 12:36:00 GMT
This game will have nothing of the sort, or really anything that resembles classic Bioware things we've come to enjoy I would expect. I could be wrong, but my spirit is just too broken by this industry to just expect anything other than a re-skinned Destiny.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 19, 2018 1:31:11 GMT
I specifically asked you what the difference was BESIDES being told "I am purely homosexual and will reject heterosexual advances" )which you would only know by meta gaming of course) which you of course masquerade behind to story and dialogue. Do I not understand the difference? of course I do....it's but a little bit of exposition and of course a nice stroke to someone's feeling and mentality. May be you do understand but you are saying something very different. It's not about mentality or feelings - it's about character's background and number of dialogs. Playersexual character can not mention his romantic past - otherwise there has to be 2 variations (or 3 if we count bisexual, or more if we count all of them). Romantic dialogs will be dried up to avoid any details that specifically identify characters preferences. And so on. And - no - DA2 is not a good example but exactly the demonstration of all problems that come with playersexuality. What ways? Seriously, I am not joking I am asking. Dorian simply can not be straight unless you write a separate story about it, that completely changes him. I do not see any way around it. Or for any other character for that matter. Unless you never play sexuality card at all, but in this case - see above (no ever mentioning your former girlfriends/boyfriends, no dramatic past with lost love, no present comments about you or someone else in the group gender-wise - nothing). quite simply he knew and almost reassigned himself to a marriage of arrangement to sire a Mage child. Sure, he preferred men but that does not mean he could not have been written to fall for a woman to accommodate a heterosexual romance, after all Kaiden was written exactly that way and I did not hear anyone complain about that. Does that preclude the existence of purely gay men? No, it merely serves the player's entertainment as it should be.
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Post by Amirit on Feb 19, 2018 11:51:39 GMT
May be you do understand but you are saying something very different. It's not about mentality or feelings - it's about character's background and number of dialogs. Playersexual character can not mention his romantic past - otherwise there has to be 2 variations (or 3 if we count bisexual, or more if we count all of them). Romantic dialogs will be dried up to avoid any details that specifically identify characters preferences. And so on. And - no - DA2 is not a good example but exactly the demonstration of all problems that come with playersexuality. What ways? Seriously, I am not joking I am asking. Dorian simply can not be straight unless you write a separate story about it, that completely changes him. I do not see any way around it. Or for any other character for that matter. Unless you never play sexuality card at all, but in this case - see above (no ever mentioning your former girlfriends/boyfriends, no dramatic past with lost love, no present comments about you or someone else in the group gender-wise - nothing). quite simply he knew and almost reassigned himself to a marriage of arrangement to sire a Mage child. Sure, he preferred men but that does not mean he could not have been written to fall for a woman to accommodate a heterosexual romance, I suspect Dorian was not your favorite character and you did not follow his story to attentive (not to mention everything around that character outside the game - developers twitts and blogs and so on). What you are suggesting is re-writing the character - changing his sexuality. You are declaring Dorian "bi" with slight preferences, while he was presented as pure gay without exceptions, disgusted by the very idea of a wife. Any gay men and any gay woman physiologically capable to be with the opposite sex, as well as any straight person physiologically can be a subject to a gay relationships. Yet, we still distinguish "gay", "straight" and "bi". after all Kaiden was written exactly that way and I did not hear anyone complain about that. Then you have not been around for a long. 1) Kaidan in ME1-2 was written straight - with the full love story about a girl in the past. They needed a gay character later and - as always - took fem.romance and turned him "bi", retconing all they could in dialogs. 2) It was and still is a problem for many. Some suddenly found their long time straight bro hitting on them, others got their straight lover turned "bi" all of a sudden. Does that preclude the existence of purely gay men? No, it merely serves the player's entertainment as it should be. Yes it does - and you said it yourself when speculated that in reality Dorian was "bi". This is the very definition for sexuality differences - exclusive preferences - either only men, only women or all of them. Not in the same time. You did not suggest the "way around", you suggested to turn everyone "bi with slight preferences". And unless the lore of the game declares "everyone is "bi" here" it's not very realistic. I still think my idea is the best: stop beating around the bush, include "sexuality" as a customization option, make fewer companions but give them additional dialogs turning either gay or straight. Like it was done for Anders in DA2 when for male Hawke he had a line "Carl was my first lover" while for femHawke "Carl was my friend". Too bad it will never be used.
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Post by natetrace on Feb 20, 2018 0:29:28 GMT
If it does I don't think it'll be to the extent of Dragon Age or Mass Effect. No nudity! We are making a game that can appeal to those ten year olds who call me rather nasty things online, those precious innocent yet filthy children!
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 21, 2018 0:34:37 GMT
quite simply he knew and almost reassigned himself to a marriage of arrangement to sire a Mage child. Sure, he preferred men but that does not mean he could not have been written to fall for a woman to accommodate a heterosexual romance, I suspect Dorian was not your favorite character and you did not follow his story to attentive (not to mention everything around that character outside the game - developers twitts and blogs and so on). What you are suggesting is re-writing the character - changing his sexuality. You are declaring Dorian "bi" with slight preferences, while he was presented as pure gay without exceptions, disgusted by the very idea of a wife. Any gay men and any gay woman physiologically capable to be with the opposite sex, as well as any straight person physiologically can be a subject to a gay relationships. Yet, we still distinguish "gay", "straight" and "bi". after all Kaiden was written exactly that way and I did not hear anyone complain about that. Then you have not been around for a long. 1) Kaidan in ME1-2 was written straight - with the full love story about a girl in the past. They needed a gay character later and - as always - took fem.romance and turned him "bi", retconing all they could in dialogs. 2) It was and still is a problem for many. Some suddenly found their long time straight bro hitting on them, others got their straight lover turned "bi" all of a sudden. Does that preclude the existence of purely gay men? No, it merely serves the player's entertainment as it should be. Yes it does - and you said it yourself when speculated that in reality Dorian was "bi". This is the very definition for sexuality differences - exclusive preferences - either only men, only women or all of them. Not in the same time. You did not suggest the "way around", you suggested to turn everyone "bi with slight preferences". And unless the lore of the game declares "everyone is "bi" here" it's not very realistic. I still think my idea is the best: stop beating around the bush, include "sexuality" as a customization option, make fewer companions but give them additional dialogs turning either gay or straight. Like it was done for Anders in DA2 when for male Hawke he had a line "Carl was my first lover" while for femHawke "Carl was my friend". Too bad it will never be used. hahaha... no, been around since before the ME series but you are willfully misunderstanding me. Alenco was written straight yrs I am fully aware of this and he mentions a girlfriend he had during his biotic training (hence the whole exposition and back story) but he is recommend as bi. So freaking what? If you make no advances towards him NO ONE EVEN KNOWS. But those who wanted him as a gay lover rejoiced and that is all that matters. It was not flaunted, people were not beaten over the head with it and those who wanted the option had it. Unless the rejection exists for the sake of it the presence of an option that is not discovered until it is pursued DOES NOT influence your experience, it only enriches someone else's. BTW, I loved Dorian, he was ALWAYS in my party (until I discovered another EVEN more entertaining mage). I followed his story and I am quite simply not appalled by the idea of him being written as bi for someone who pursues that OPTIONAL path, those who do not want it do not have to pursue. In fact if the option existred yet you never stumbled upoin it and/or chose to simply not pursue it because you prefer the thought of him being solely gay then your experience would not be altered. The same can be said about my experience with Alenco since I never pursued that option He is still pretty much just straight for all intents and purposes (not that I care). That is, of course, unless this is all about being sure someone does NOT get it for the sake of some misguided sense of consistency that serves solely to preclude options and entertainment to other players. But you know what, you do you my friend, hopefully Bioware's Anthem team will marry resource management and with player pleasing which is really all that is needed
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Post by sgtreed24 on Feb 21, 2018 22:37:55 GMT
This is Destiny by Bioware, there's be no romances. Or anything worth a shit. It'll just be a grindy grind fest with MTs
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Post by ahglock on Feb 28, 2018 4:41:00 GMT
I suspect Dorian was not your favorite character and you did not follow his story to attentive (not to mention everything around that character outside the game - developers twitts and blogs and so on). What you are suggesting is re-writing the character - changing his sexuality. You are declaring Dorian "bi" with slight preferences, while he was presented as pure gay without exceptions, disgusted by the very idea of a wife. Any gay men and any gay woman physiologically capable to be with the opposite sex, as well as any straight person physiologically can be a subject to a gay relationships. Yet, we still distinguish "gay", "straight" and "bi". Then you have not been around for a long. 1) Kaidan in ME1-2 was written straight - with the full love story about a girl in the past. They needed a gay character later and - as always - took fem.romance and turned him "bi", retconing all they could in dialogs. 2) It was and still is a problem for many. Some suddenly found their long time straight bro hitting on them, others got their straight lover turned "bi" all of a sudden. Yes it does - and you said it yourself when speculated that in reality Dorian was "bi". This is the very definition for sexuality differences - exclusive preferences - either only men, only women or all of them. Not in the same time. You did not suggest the "way around", you suggested to turn everyone "bi with slight preferences". And unless the lore of the game declares "everyone is "bi" here" it's not very realistic. I still think my idea is the best: stop beating around the bush, include "sexuality" as a customization option, make fewer companions but give them additional dialogs turning either gay or straight. Like it was done for Anders in DA2 when for male Hawke he had a line "Carl was my first lover" while for femHawke "Carl was my friend". Too bad it will never be used. hahaha... no, been around since before the ME series but you are willfully misunderstanding me. Alenco was written straight yrs I am fully aware of this and he mentions a girlfriend he had during his biotic training (hence the whole exposition and back story) but he is recommend as bi. So freaking what? If you make no advances towards him NO ONE EVEN KNOWS. But those who wanted him as a gay lover rejoiced and that is all that matters. It was not flaunted, people were not beaten over the head with it and those who wanted the option had it. Unless the rejection exists for the sake of it the presence of an option that is not discovered until it is pursued DOES NOT influence your experience, it only enriches someone else's. BTW, I loved Dorian, he was ALWAYS in my party (until I discovered another EVEN more entertaining mage). I followed his story and I am quite simply not appalled by the idea of him being written as bi for someone who pursues that OPTIONAL path, those who do not want it do not have to pursue. In fact if the option existred yet you never stumbled upoin it and/or chose to simply not pursue it because you prefer the thought of him being solely gay then your experience would not be altered. The same can be said about my experience with Alenco since I never pursued that option He is still pretty much just straight for all intents and purposes (not that I care). That is, of course, unless this is all about being sure someone does NOT get it for the sake of some misguided sense of consistency that serves solely to preclude options and entertainment to other players. But you know what, you do you my friend, hopefully Bioware's Anthem team will marry resource management and with player pleasing which is really all that is needed We should thank you 2 for illustrating why romances suck due to all the complaining and arguing. I'd rather they ditch romances in all their future games.
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Post by jeyl on Mar 1, 2018 15:19:20 GMT
If there's one thing I like better than romance in games, it's knowing that I can play a girl swooning lesbian hero!
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