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Post by mmoblitz on Jun 27, 2017 2:47:11 GMT
Came across this piece on PC gamer. linkInteresting read. For those who were looking for writing that is on par with the OT, don't bother. Sounds like your not going to find it in Anthem.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 3:08:08 GMT
Step back, in my opinion.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Jun 27, 2017 5:18:46 GMT
Step back, in my opinion. Nah. It is Bioware's answer to everything. The less science-y theyake it, the less they will have to explain with lore.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 27, 2017 5:34:12 GMT
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A sci-fan game is it?
No codex / explanations necessary in Anthem. Writers will concentrate on.....their experiences?
My concern is 1st person view at all times in HUB areas. Personally, I feel a bit claustrophobic.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 27, 2017 11:05:20 GMT
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A sci-fan game is it?
No codex / explanations necessary in Anthem. Writers will concentrate on.....their experiences?
I think the only thing this means is that the explanations we get will be more concentrated on the specifics of events and characters rather than the mechanics of how the technology works. He compared it to Star Wars or the Marvel movies, meaning I think that they just don't plan to dwell o the technical side of things much.
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 27, 2017 11:57:04 GMT
Wait, did he say that Mass Effect was the "hard sci fi" IP?
Okay.
So Anthem will be more fantasy like than space magic and shagging rubber forehead aliens?
Oh boy.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 27, 2017 12:20:50 GMT
Wait, did he say that Mass Effect was the "hard sci fi" IP? Okay. So Anthem will be more fantasy like than space magic and shagging rubber forehead aliens? Oh boy. Mass Effect worked hard to maintain the pretense of being based in real science. I expect this game will still wrap its ideas in pseudo-scientific jargon, but probably put in a lot less effort to maintain ties to real science.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 27, 2017 12:51:03 GMT
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Since Bio admits Anthem is a pseudo sci-fi, fantasy game, I don't mind its lack of a science foundation. I do read the hard core sci-fi and fantasy and punk and historical military/war novels.... It appears Anthem will be a mix for the purpose of making this shooter a fun game with "unique properties". Hopefully it will succeed.
Still, I am uncomfortable with a 1st person view. I believe it's because this FoV mode lacks peripheral vision.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jun 27, 2017 13:59:54 GMT
-(_ANTHEM_)-
Since Bio admits Anthem is a pseudo sci-fi, fantasy game, I don't mind its lack of a science foundation. I do read the hard core sci-fi and fantasy and punk and historical military/war novels.... It appears Anthem will be a mix for the purpose of making this shooter a fun game with "unique properties". Hopefully it will succeed.
Still, I am uncomfortable with a 1st person view. I believe it's because this FoV mode lacks peripheral vision.
Pretty much all of this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 14:42:03 GMT
"[It's] very much like Star Wars, very much like the Marvel Universe, where you see a lot of amazing things happening, but we don't worry too much about why they're happening, or how they're happening, the science of it " Flynn said. "Mass Effect is more our real hardcore science fiction IP. This one is much more about just having fun in a game world that is lush and exotic and really sucks you in." Oh boy. "the game is pretty and exotic so just have fun, shoot things with friends and don't bother about everything else 'cause we won't explain" Now I'm even more scared about the SP story........... Honestly? The more I read about this game, the more I think it's not for me. This, MMO, 1st person....
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jun 27, 2017 15:09:20 GMT
"[It's] very much like Star Wars, very much like the Marvel Universe, where you see a lot of amazing things happening, but we don't worry too much about why they're happening, or how they're happening, the science of it " Flynn said. "Mass Effect is more our real hardcore science fiction IP. This one is much more about just having fun in a game world that is lush and exotic and really sucks you in." Oh boy. "the game is pretty and exotic so just have fun, shoot things with friends and don't bother about everything else 'cause we won't explain" Now I'm even more scared about the SP story........... Honestly? The more I read about this game, the more I think it's not for me. This, MMO, 1st person.... I'm not really sure that's what they are saying. Just that there are some more fanatical elements without explanation. Like the Force in Star Wars (before they tried to science it with midichlorians). There's just not a science explanation like Mass Effect with Element Zero. Does Star Was suffer in narrative because it doesn't actively explain the science of their universe? No.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jun 27, 2017 15:23:24 GMT
Came across this piece on PC gamer. linkInteresting read. For those who were looking for writing that is on par with the OT, don't bother. Sounds like your not going to find it in Anthem. Did you notice that the conclusions drawn by the article writer have nothing to do with the quote from Aaryn Flynn? The writer of the article is a moron, and his conclusions are completely fabricated. He could have written that the game will have no story and all dialogue will be "procedurally generated" from the RNG, and it wouldn't be any less accurate or less supported by the quotation than what he actually wrote. From the quotes, all that is being said is that they aren't going to bother to make up "hardcore science" explanations for the supernatural things that happen in the game. So, no eezo McGuffin. That's it. Nothing about how entertaining the story will be or how committed to writing a story they are.
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Post by Amirit on Jun 27, 2017 16:53:50 GMT
Still, I am uncomfortable with a 1st person view. I believe it's because this FoV mode lacks peripheral vision.
And for me 1st person view means I will never buy that game, no matter story quality. Pity, less and less games for people with motion sickness. Oh, well, isometric games are still out there, guess, I'll stick to retro classic then.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 27, 2017 19:56:23 GMT
Mass Effect worked hard to maintain the pretense of being based in real science. I expect this game will still wrap its ideas in pseudo-scientific jargon, but probably put in a lot less effort to maintain ties to real science. Yeah but I still don't think Mass Effect would count as being near hard science fiction. Soft science fiction at best. Fantasy science fiction at worst. Given what we've seen of Anthem already, I'm neither surprised nor deterred from learning it'll be science fantasy. I would like for it to be better at following the rules it establishes from its universe. Mass Effect had trouble with that. An exception, of course, being if inconsistency is a rule of the established universe or if the exceptions presented are.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 27, 2017 20:28:00 GMT
Mass Effect worked hard to maintain the pretense of being based in real science. I expect this game will still wrap its ideas in pseudo-scientific jargon, but probably put in a lot less effort to maintain ties to real science. Yeah but I still don't think Mass Effect would count as being near hard science fiction. Soft science fiction at best. Fantasy science fiction at worst. Given what we've seen of Anthem already, I'm neither surprised nor deterred from learning it'll be science fantasy. I would like for it to be better at following the rules it establishes from its universe. Mass Effect had trouble with that. An exception, of course, being if inconsistency is a rule of the established universe or if the exceptions presented are. Yeah, I'm okay with it as long as it's internally consistent. I think they just want a free hand to play with concepts like these Shaper Storms, which are apparently portals.
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Post by Sah291 on Jun 27, 2017 21:12:17 GMT
Still, I am uncomfortable with a 1st person view. I believe it's because this FoV mode lacks peripheral vision.
And for me 1st person view means I will never buy that game, no matter story quality. Pity, less and less games for people with motion sickness. Oh, well, isometric games are still out there, guess, I'll stick to retro classic then. Same. I don't like first person games, specifically because they make me dizzy. Especially if you have a larger TV... which I do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 6:34:14 GMT
I'm not really sure that's what they are saying. Just that there are some more fanatical elements without explanation. Like the Force in Star Wars (before they tried to science it with midichlorians). There's just not a science explanation like Mass Effect with Element Zero. Does Star Was suffer in narrative because it doesn't actively explain the science of their universe? No. Star Wars is rich in so many ways and give attention to so many things since years and years. In the contrary, Anthem is just a new IP (not even born yet) and they already say they won't explain plenty of things about a story (story we don't even know anything about...). Excuse me to be super worried :/ to me it sounds like "prepare youself mentally : don't expect too much" Now, this is just how I read it, and I hope I'm wrong, because the only thing which can make me buy the game is a long SP story (and I already think I'm totally dreaming + motion sickness). I know, I'm very cautious and suspicious.... I sometimes have troubles to be cheerful with weird news like this, sorry if it sounds a bit "salty"
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 28, 2017 11:52:59 GMT
Star Wars is rich in so many ways and give attention to so many things since years and years. In the contrary, Anthem is just a new IP (not even born yet) and they already say they won't explain plenty of things about a story. That is not what they said. They said they won't be going into the technical details of the science in Anthem compared to Mass Effect. That is not the same as not explaining the story.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jun 28, 2017 12:21:34 GMT
Star Wars is rich in so many ways and give attention to so many things since years and years. In the contrary, Anthem is just a new IP (not even born yet) and they already say they won't explain plenty of things about a story. That is not what they said. They said they won't be going into the technical details of the science in Anthem compared to Mass Effect. That is not the same as not explaining the story. Agreed. You just can't say that because they won't have some scientific explanation for everything they happens that it's going to have a bad story. That'd be like saying every D&D game has a bad story because there's no scientific explanation for me raising the dead and shooting lightning out of my hand. The storylines and lore could be quite deep and intricate without needing scientific explanations for everything.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 28, 2017 12:22:56 GMT
Star Wars is rich in so many ways and give attention to so many things since years and years. In the contrary, Anthem is just a new IP (not even born yet) and they already say they won't explain plenty of things about a story. That is not what they said. They said they won't be going into the technical details of the science in Anthem compared to Mass Effect. That is not the same as not explaining the story. -(_ANTHEM_)-
And, on a positive spin, the advantage is at least twofold. (1) Writers can concentrate on the story. (2) The game can do the "impossible" because there is no violation of any physical Laws.
For example: Take the jet pack. There is no way flight dynamics allows them to control their flight the way the do. But, being a fantasy game... it's fun!.
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Post by mmoblitz on Jun 28, 2017 13:10:12 GMT
I'm not really sure that's what they are saying. Just that there are some more fanatical elements without explanation. Like the Force in Star Wars (before they tried to science it with midichlorians). There's just not a science explanation like Mass Effect with Element Zero. Does Star Was suffer in narrative because it doesn't actively explain the science of their universe? No. Star Wars is rich in so many ways and give attention to so many things since years and years. In the contrary, Anthem is just a new IP (not even born yet) and they already say they won't explain plenty of things about a story (story we don't even know anything about...). Excuse me to be super worried :/ to me it sounds like "prepare youself mentally : don't expect too much" Now, this is just how I read it, and I hope I'm wrong, because the only thing which can make me buy the game is a long SP story (and I already think I'm totally dreaming + motion sickness). I know, I'm very cautious and suspicious.... I sometimes have troubles to be cheerful with weird news like this, sorry if it sounds a bit "salty" No need to apologize for being skeptical. It's often wise to be skeptical of any game in this industry. Blind hype more times than not, leads to being let down. Having a connection in the gaming industry has taught me over the years that being anything but skeptical or at least having a tempered enthusiasm for a game is much better for you in the long run. If people knew half the cr@p that goes on behind the scenes of this industry... This is why there are some studios that I will never support.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 28, 2017 18:53:23 GMT
Honestly it mostly sounds like he just hates that it seems to be chasing a genre he hates as well as being salty about Mass Effect Andromeda being supposedly abandoned over Anthem, rather than any actual criticism of what we've seen.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 29, 2017 7:15:36 GMT
I don't care if the rules of the universe are science, fake science, or magic, as long as they're consistent within that universe.
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Post by kumazan on Jun 29, 2017 11:50:26 GMT
I stopped reading at "if you want hard sci-fi, play Mass Effect instead". lol
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