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Post by melbella on Aug 11, 2016 1:55:51 GMT
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Post by BioFan on Aug 11, 2016 2:52:47 GMT
And we really need to get that "unofficial" OFF the top banner. Folks will know this place isn't official, but more will stay the more official you make yourself seem. Displaying it like that front and center could easily deter a lot of newcomers. This place will of course be "unofficial", but making it look more official will make it stick, survive, and hopefully thrive. Wording/Phrasing is key. I want this place to flourish sense the BSN Prime is shutting down. Sure we have BSN Prime folks jumping ship, which is GREAT, but for this place to keep running you need a steady income of new members. While I don't disagree and we are still coming to consensus on name and banner (agreed "BioWare" needs to be in there spelled out), we DO actually have to include the "unofficial" text in there and make it very clear. This was per BioWare in DM discussions with them to make sure we did not cross any legal boundaries with them or EA. The "unofficial" part is INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT in that respect. Just as a general FYI. They stated the actual word was required? Can you not put "Fan Forum" instead? Would that not function the same for them?
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Post by DragonRacer on Aug 11, 2016 11:15:55 GMT
While I don't disagree and we are still coming to consensus on name and banner (agreed "BioWare" needs to be in there spelled out), we DO actually have to include the "unofficial" text in there and make it very clear. This was per BioWare in DM discussions with them to make sure we did not cross any legal boundaries with them or EA. The "unofficial" part is INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT in that respect. Just as a general FYI. They stated the actual word was required? Can you not put "Fan Forum" instead? Would that not function the same for them? We were literally told by Aaryn Flynn to include the word "unofficial" in there.
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Post by GruntKitterhand on Aug 11, 2016 11:56:26 GMT
I'm glad to see progress on this front! Having "BioWare" in the name will certainly help those google searches. I like "BioWare Social Network (Unofficial)" - as long as BioWare is also cool with it. Alternately, something with the words "BioWare" and "Forum"...? Agreed. "BioWare" has to be in the title, url, twitter handles and literally everything if this is going to be successful and bring in folks long-term. Google is your friend, so keep them close. Maybe even start a kick-starter to raise money to boost your search result on google. Also, i'd keep "unofficial" as far away from everything as possible. Sure this may be fan run, and therefore "unofficial", but that word itself will probably turn prospective newcomers away. Even if it isn't official, you'll want it to feel as official as possible. Not to mention the other forum set up uses "unofficial" in their name, but I think that will backfire on them in the long run. Maybe "BioWare Fan Forums"? It'd be a good idea to contact the BioWare/EA community folks and work with them to come up with the best result that will protect against legal/copyright conflicts as well. The URL may need some work in order to appear more official as well. It'd probably cost money, but dropping the ".boards" will help you appear MUCH more official. I saw this yesterday, but slept on it before adding my 2 cents because I don't want my different perspective to come across as any kind of personal disagreement, but simply food for thought. DR has already addressed some of this and your subsequent post, so a lot of what I was going to say is now redundant anyway. The only personal thing I'll address publicly is the fact that I can't cope with literally not meaning literally anymore, especially when it's emboldened and underlined, and as such the first line of your post had me metaphorically curled up in a ball trying to deny the BioWare invasion like some kind of nightmare scene from Being John Malkovich. BIOWARE! BIOWARE! BIOWARE! LITERALLY EVERYWHERE!!!! I more or less signed off from the official BSN with a rant after DR's ban, quoting Bill Hicks' skit about marketing and advertising, so it should come as no surprise that I find the kick-starter suggestion quite chilling, to be frank. Paying to be popular? For a game forum? Really?! I know you know what you're talking about, and that everything you say is right, if you have your motivations. But I don't. I don't live in that world - I'll never be registered on any of the sites in your sig. Google is not my friend, and I have always been the kind of person for whom "100% Unofficial" appeals much more than official. Official means shackles. Those shackles previously denied me posts by people I regard as witty and intelligent, for usually dumb reasons. It's great to see some of them again. I am with you in wanting the place to be successful though, but I honestly follow the Field of Dreams model rather than the Wall Street one. If we build it, they will come, so to speak. Yes, I really am happily that naive. I think that to worry about whether we're official, unofficial or almost official is folly, given EA's recent decision. There is no official forum, and there won't be an official forum. Why pretend? I also want to ponder aloud how many people actually search for 'Bioware', rather than 'Mass Effect' of 'Dragon Age'? I know I never have. I really don't do brand loyalty and as such I'm not a Bioware fan, I'm a Mass Effect fan. It would take more than a kick-starter campaign to get me to play DA because I've no interest in the fantasy genre. Game of Thrones is filmed up the road from me and I have two friends who work on it, but I've never willingly watched a minute of it unless you count South Park's take. In some ways, that's what I love most about 'BSN', whatever it actually means. It has been a place where I've been continually reminded that our perceived differences are more likely to show that we actually have more in common than things that separate us. One of my favourite novels is Eureka Street by Robert McLiam Wilson, set in Belfast during its violent days. The mysterious message 'OTG' begins to appear on walls and the novel deals with the panic caused by the fact that no one knows who or what it is or means. I'm not saying we should be trying to spread panic or uncertainty, but I really don't care about a specific definition beyond the safeguard of being free from potential litigation. BSN is BSN. It is what it is, even if it's not necessarily what it once was. To me, partly based on past experiences and partly on the 'Behind the Monitor' thread, it's just a melting pot of modern life consisting of a high proportion of Babes, Stoners and Nerds. This is BSN v2.0, the Better Social Network. It's a Social Network for people who don't do the Social Networking that the corporations so desperately want us all to do. As should be clear by now, 140 characters would be of no use to me. Basically, and finally(!) to add to Crimson's comment, I'm here because a dude called Cyonan has set up a home for me to discuss the obsession I share with only a single person irl, following the decision by EA's suits that I was no longer economically viable (having previously tried to obliterate 'BSN' in its original form). And yet here we still are. Cyonan earned my full respect on the old boards by being 100% rock solid on technical information, and I trust his avatar's assassin's obsessive eye for detail. Add DragonRacer's heart to the equation and I'll follow them loyally to Andromeda and back. I have confidence that it will be both successful and fun, even if the game sucks. But I don't take any of it too seriously because, as Bill would have said, "It's just a ride."
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Post by GruntKitterhand on Aug 11, 2016 12:05:45 GMT
Best Social Network for Bioware Fans It's even better than the real thing I missed this while writing my opus, so I just have to say..... EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG WATCH MORE TV IT'S YOUR WORLD YOU CAN CHANGE IT BE LIEVE and, um, CALL YOUR MOTHER!
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Post by melbella on Aug 11, 2016 12:53:30 GMT
Best Social Network for Bioware Fans It's even better than the real thing I missed this while writing my opus, so I just have to say..... EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG WATCH MORE TV IT'S YOUR WORLD YOU CAN CHANGE IT BE LIEVE and, um, CALL YOUR MOTHER! Maybe because it's not even 6am here yet, but I'm honestly not sure if you're insulting me, agreeing with me, or just trying to be funny?
Edit: still haven't had my coffee (it's brewing as I type) but I do at least recognize your quotes from the Zoo TV tour. Ugh, now I feel old. BSN - stop making me feel old!
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Post by GruntKitterhand on Aug 11, 2016 13:27:34 GMT
I missed this while writing my opus, so I just have to say..... EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG WATCH MORE TV IT'S YOUR WORLD YOU CAN CHANGE IT BE LIEVE and, um, CALL YOUR MOTHER! Maybe because it's not even 6am here yet, but I'm honestly not sure if you're insulting me, agreeing with me, or just trying to be funny?
Edit: still haven't had my coffee (it's brewing as I type) but I do at least recognize your quotes from the Zoo TV tour. Ugh, now I feel old. BSN - stop making me feel old!
Yeah, I was agreeing, in a Zoo TV-related way - I saw 8 of those shows, and your post and sig set me off. If it's any consolation, I am undeniably old, but still attempting to have a happy childhood.
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Post by BioFan on Aug 11, 2016 14:09:03 GMT
They stated the actual word was required? Can you not put "Fan Forum" instead? Would that not function the same for them? We were literally told by Aaryn Flynn to include the word "unofficial" in there. Damn, that's unfortunate :/
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Post by DarkSnow on Aug 11, 2016 16:35:35 GMT
I like things short and simple and have to say that "Bioware Unofficial" with no other embellishment and not acronymized has a nice ring to it. At least for me.
BFF as an acronym was neat, but since "unofficial" has to be present, Bioware Unofficial Fan Forums reduced to BUFF is not bad.
We are after all Bioware buffs, experts on all things Bioware. (At times also following forum discussion in the buff, when in the privacy of our own homes. I hope.)
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Post by Evil on Aug 11, 2016 21:44:58 GMT
We were literally told by Aaryn Flynn to include the word "unofficial" in there. Damn, that's unfortunate :/ Not if we put "and uncensored" after "unofficial". We're off the leash now, why not flaunt it?
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Post by SalMasRac on Aug 11, 2016 22:01:05 GMT
Call it whatever you want. Metatags are invisible tags that are what search engines look for, you can include things like "Bioware" "Mass Effect" Dragon Age" in those and your site will turn up in a search engine regardless of what the site is actually named.
I coulnd't care less what Bioware tells us we HAVE to name it. Let their jimmies be rustled. They've earned it.
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Post by BioFan on Aug 11, 2016 23:46:41 GMT
Damn, that's unfortunate :/ Not if we put "and uncensored" after "unofficial". We're off the leash now, why not flaunt it? Because we need to attract new blood if this place is going to make it in the long run. "Unofficial" may deter newcomers. They'll see it's unofficial obviously, but it's best to look as official as possible. Flaunting it is the exact opposite of what you'd want to do. Spinning it as "fan run" or "by fans for fans" is cool though.
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Post by mousestalker on Aug 11, 2016 23:50:58 GMT
BSN = Bouncy Stoic Ninjas. Right?
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Post by melbella on Aug 12, 2016 1:17:55 GMT
Maybe because it's not even 6am here yet, but I'm honestly not sure if you're insulting me, agreeing with me, or just trying to be funny?
Edit: still haven't had my coffee (it's brewing as I type) but I do at least recognize your quotes from the Zoo TV tour. Ugh, now I feel old. BSN - stop making me feel old!
Yeah, I was agreeing, in a Zoo TV-related way - I saw 8 of those shows, and your post and sig set me off. If it's any consolation, I am undeniably old, but still attempting to have a happy childhood. Ooh....jealous! I went to one show on that tour - had to miss class to do it but I didn't care. It was spring of my senior year in college (dating myself ) and I was so ready to be done. Anyway, playing games keeps me from feeling too old, at least.
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Post by Ieldra on Aug 13, 2016 10:11:07 GMT
We were literally told by Aaryn Flynn to include the word "unofficial" in there. Damn, that's unfortunate :/ I don't think that's a big thing. If there's no official place, people will come to a good unofficial one easily. We just need to make sure we're that good place.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 10:27:45 GMT
Not if we put "and uncensored" after "unofficial". We're off the leash now, why not flaunt it? Because we need to attract new blood if this place is going to make it in the long run. "Unofficial" may deter newcomers. They'll see it's unofficial obviously, but it's best to look as official as possible. Flaunting it is the exact opposite of what you'd want to do. Spinning it as "fan run" or "by fans for fans" is cool though. What attracted me to BSN in the first place was those threads that would show up on google if I typed in 'siding with the werewolves' and 'best Mass Effect class' and whatnot. Using it as a resource, like the wiki, eventually led to lurking and then joining up and becoming part of it. Isn't the most efficient way of marketing this site to recreate threads like that? Good information about the games, key decisions, builds, plot points, bugs, mods etc that folks are actually searching for? Very few will want to write fan fiction about Cullen or bitch about EA, fun as it is. Most will be playing the games, get to a big decision and think 'oh crap, what did everyone else do?' and start searching. So if we made many threads like that it'd attract new blood and show what this community has to offer. Our very own consensus. There are some very knowledgeable ppl here. I'd be happy to make some threads like that, but I wouldn't want to spam the board. If there's too much 'why andromeda will suck' and 'omg I wanna snog Garrus' it remains more of a fansite than a resource, no? Not that I don't enjoy those threads. Anyway, my 2 cents.
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Post by opuspace on Aug 16, 2016 5:05:40 GMT
BSN= Big Song Numbers?
Bland Salty Nuts?
Bear Sized Nougat?
Wow, this gets fun really quickly.
In a perverse way, I'm glad to see that the beginning of the new forums meant that others feel the same about not wanting to resort to places like Twitter, Tumblr or such. While I'll always miss the loss of such helpful feedback as walkthroughs and intensive debates on culture, politics and military aspects, we've still got each other here and other forums to build it up again. :'( I love ya, man!
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Post by Eliana Ashcroft on Aug 17, 2016 21:25:07 GMT
I like what I have seen around the notices telling about the forum. cBSN. Cyonan's Bioware Social Network.
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Post by Kantr on Aug 17, 2016 21:50:55 GMT
That was an odd suggestion BioFan. You can't pay Google to become more popular in the search rankings,even if KS let you create a page for that.
We could call this place "The Official Unofficial Bioware Fan Forums"
On a more serious suggestion. Make the Unoffical Forums bit smaller and under BSN?
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Post by NRieh on Aug 20, 2016 13:24:35 GMT
Because we need to attract new blood if this place is going to make it in the long run. "Unofficial" may deter newcomers. They'll see it's unofficial obviously, but it's best to look as official as possible. Flaunting it is the exact opposite of what you'd want to do. Spinning it as "fan run" or "by fans for fans" is cool though. Objection. It COULD possibly 'deter the newcomers'..if only the 'Official' alternative had existed in this world. Yes, we ARE the 'unofficial forum', because they had made it so. That's the only thing avaliable after the shut down. Not by our choice and it's not our fault. That's how the things are - BioWare officially has no community. Effective from October 26.A permanent sticky with their 'argumented announcement' screencap ('Concerning Our Forums') would do us all a great service, by the way. Probably along with the number of posts and pages in it. And we might want to add that Aaryn's message to that too. They speak volumes, imo.
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Post by Kantr on Aug 20, 2016 13:29:17 GMT
Not quite sure why needed his permission to use the letters BSN. It's not copyrighted/trademarked like Bioware is.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Aug 23, 2016 21:32:52 GMT
Not quite sure why needed his permission to use the letters BSN. It's not copyrighted/trademarked like Bioware is. True. But the BioWare part of the forum really has to go before long. For legal reasons, obviously, but also because I think we as a community should transcend the connection to BioWare and really come to own our own identity. All of us came together because of BioWare obviously (for whatever reason we thought of their games), but we don't need to stay beholden to just that. I've created relationships with a few people on here that have carried on to other areas, such as Facebook, Xbox Live, Steam, etc. I know in at least one case of a couple that have married due to meeting on the forums and growing that relationship beyond the games. I think we've reached that point (especially in the Off-Topic Lobby) where we have established friendships and a community that goes beyond the games that BioWare made. Some of us, myself included, largely don't even play the games anymore. I for one have little love anymore for them.
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