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Post by jadedragon on Jun 29, 2017 3:03:15 GMT
A Wuxia IP is a untapped market in the West that Bioware at some point needs to take advantage of. I think if Bioware did a Jade Empire 2 or anytype of Asian IP and or a Superhero themed IP it would be a instant hit for them if done right. Those two genres lack many games that are story and character driven how Bioware presents its games. Its something different and will attract alot of attention good or bad. If its good though will put Bioware in alot of good standing and bring new fans.
DA4 was all but obvious I personally think they set up enough story and unexplained lore for another triology but in the North this time. We only been to two full countries and a major city of another country. Tevinter, Antiva, Anderfels, Nevarra and Rivain thats 5 countries right there not even counting the other major Free Marches cities. Thats at least 3 whole games right there and some DLC for each.
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Post by Wildfire on Jun 29, 2017 8:56:36 GMT
I think BW should just stick with Dragon Age for the foreseeable future, because I strongly believe that the franchise does something which no other game does. Seconding phoray, it's a AAA medieval fantasy RPG with warm friendships, sweet romances and usually optimistic endings, who else but BW can give us that? CD Projekt Red comes closest but the mechanics of Witcher games are still completely different. I think it's all about whether BW can keep the gameplay exciting, because their writing is usually very solid. It warms my heart to see that people still remember and adore Jade Empire. I would definitely welcome a sequel, but to be honest I don't think it would be straightforward at all to make JE2 a success among the general population. The thing is, I'm not sure how appealing ancient Chinese lore is to the average Western consumer. Just how many people know anything about ancient Chinese culture? In the part of Europe where I reside, I'd say that not many do. The Chinese influence is obviously a lot bigger in some other countries like the US or the UK, but even then I have my doubts. And I think that Chinese culture was never as popular in the West as, for example, Japanese culture. China doesn't have its own equivalent of manga or anime which would have propagated Chinese lore around the world. And I feel that even the hottest Japanese culture boom is starting to be a thing of the past. Also, I'm afraid that in the current societal climate, a game like Jade Empire could cause some outrage. I can already imagine people screaming "cultural appropriation" and getting angry Original Jade Empire was great because it didn't give a damn about authenticity or anything, it was pretty shameless in its use of Chinese lore and the result was both hilarious and awesome. Even the spelling of Chinese names was so inconsistent that it was almost like they planned it for comic effect (which I'm sure they didn't). If someone feels that what BW does now is campy, then JE is on a completely another level I guess it's good that they are less freewheeling these days - while Jade Empire was fun, it was very hard to take seriously.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 29, 2017 11:55:15 GMT
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Wunderbar about DA4 project gaining traction.
Unfortunately, ML is involved.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 29, 2017 12:40:33 GMT
-(_DA4_)-
Expect new combat mechanics, (3x new skill sets?). acrobatic and eye dizzying mage combat, forward and backward leaps off the map, PJs, no modding, Elf Root, Sub ping, renewable resources, insignificant loot and ludicrous quests, open explorable world, naked butts, powerful armies with only a handful of soldiers on the map, empty towns and capital cities, zombie like walking animations (mother Giselle?), statue like citizens grouped together in market areas.... need I go on?
I am looking forward to see Varric again and to see him in his little corner doing nothing but wait for you to say something. I did not forget the Qunari... probably unrecognizable again.... (ie: DA:O -> DA2-> DA:I).
Having said this, if Ml learned his lesson, SP combat will be based on MP co-op combat. DA4 must have this online component right. So, how will they make it "more fluid"? with an archer, mage, tank and thief? And, since Anthem has flying capabilities, will we see Gryphons?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 13:13:17 GMT
I think BW should just stick with Dragon Age for the foreseeable future, because I strongly believe that the franchise does something which no other game does. Seconding phoray, it's a AAA medieval fantasy RPG with warm friendships, sweet romances and usually optimistic endings, who else but BW can give us that? CD Projekt Red comes closest but the mechanics of Witcher games are still completely different. I think it's all about whether BW can keep the gameplay exciting, because their writing is usually very solid. It warms my heart to see that people still remember and adore Jade Empire. I would definitely welcome a sequel, but to be honest I don't think it would be straightforward at all to make JE2 a success among the general population. The thing is, I'm not sure how appealing ancient Chinese lore is to the average Western consumer. Just how many people know anything about ancient Chinese culture? In the part of Europe where I reside, I'd say that not many do. The Chinese influence is obviously a lot bigger in some other countries like the US or the UK, but even then I have my doubts. And I think that Chinese culture was never as popular in the West as, for example, Japanese culture. China doesn't have its own equivalent of manga or anime which would have propagated Chinese lore around the world. And I feel that even the hottest Japanese culture boom is starting to be a thing of the past. Also, I'm afraid that in the current societal climate, a game like Jade Empire could cause some outrage. I can already imagine people screaming "cultural appropriation" and getting angry Original Jade Empire was great because it didn't give a damn about authenticity or anything, it was pretty shameless in its use of Chinese lore and the result was both hilarious and awesome. Even the spelling of Chinese names was so inconsistent that it was almost like they planned it for comic effect (which I'm sure they didn't). If someone feels that what BW does now is campy, then JE is on a completely another level I guess it's good that they are less freewheeling these days - while Jade Empire was fun, it was very hard to take seriously. It does not have to be just set in the Jade itself, just like DA doe not have to stick to Ferelden. Radiating outwards from Jade they can recreate a fantasy take on the whole of Asia, and gods see, if people take offence at Jade's style of delivery and do not notice the genuine love for the subject and the the resulting work, that's really bad. I don't know if people in Europe had suddenly lost all their sense of wonder, but despite not particularly interested in Chinese lore back in the day, I found Jade amazing and fun. Seriously, I can't believe that an argument against a work of fantasy or sci-fi is "it's not more of the same". Since when are fans considered this limited in their imagination? If China loved for centuries the story of a monk who walked into India to bring back the scrolls, why do you think that people in Europe or Americas won't be just as prone to dream about it and want to satisfy the triggered wanderlust through gaming? This world needs more stories about things beyond the national borders rather than less.
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Post by Wildfire on Jun 29, 2017 13:49:11 GMT
It does not have to be just set in the Jade itself, just like DA doe not have to stick to Ferelden. Radiating outwards from Jade they can recreate a fantasy take on the whole of Asia, and gods see, if people take offence at Jade's style of delivery and do not notice the genuine love for the subject and the the resulting work, that's really bad. I don't know if people in Europe had suddenly lost all their sense of wonder, but despite not particularly interested in Chinese lore back in the day, I found Jade amazing and fun. Seriously, I can't believe that an argument against a work of fantasy or sci-fi is "it's not more of the same". Since when are fans considered this limited in their imagination? If China loved for centuries the story of a monk who walked into India to bring back the scrolls, why do you think that people in Europe or Americas won't be just as prone to dream about it and want to satisfy the triggered wanderlust through gaming? This world needs more stories about things beyond the national borders rather than less. Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with what you say. But I'm not certain the risk would pay off.
When it comes to (western-made) Asian themed pop culture stuff, I'm always torn between being amused and being embarrassed, but with Jade Empire the embarrassment went so over the top that it simply became another part of the amusement factor. I would love a more somber take on the Asian fantasy setting, perhaps with optional Chinese voiceovers and/or outrageous Asian accents. That would be exciting.
Still, I know how you feel about JE. You have my sympathies. Personally, it really hurts to think that Hawke could have had three games just like Shepard. And they didn't even finish the Exalted March, instead they came up with some worthless (in comparison) DAI bullshit Anyway, enough with the offtopic
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 14:00:15 GMT
It does not have to be just set in the Jade itself, just like DA doe not have to stick to Ferelden. Radiating outwards from Jade they can recreate a fantasy take on the whole of Asia, and gods see, if people take offence at Jade's style of delivery and do not notice the genuine love for the subject and the the resulting work, that's really bad. I don't know if people in Europe had suddenly lost all their sense of wonder, but despite not particularly interested in Chinese lore back in the day, I found Jade amazing and fun. Seriously, I can't believe that an argument against a work of fantasy or sci-fi is "it's not more of the same". Since when are fans considered this limited in their imagination? If China loved for centuries the story of a monk who walked into India to bring back the scrolls, why do you think that people in Europe or Americas won't be just as prone to dream about it and want to satisfy the triggered wanderlust through gaming? This world needs more stories about things beyond the national borders rather than less. Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with what you say. But I'm not certain the risk would pay off.
When it comes to (western-made) Asian themed pop culture stuff, I'm always torn between being amused and being embarrassed, but with Jade Empire the embarrassment went so over the top that it simply became another part of the amusement factor. I would love a more somber take on the Asian fantasy setting, perhaps with optional Chinese voiceovers and/or outrageous Asian accents. That would be exciting.
Still, I know how you feel about JE. You have my sympathies. Personally, it really hurts to think that Hawke could have had three games just like Shepard. And they didn't even finish the Exalted March, instead they came up with some worthless (in comparison) DAI bullshit Anyway, enough with the offtopic
I am so tired of somber. I liked the best their games that had tongue in cheek component, BG1, Jade, DA2 and Andromeda. IF the DA franchise did involve in the direction of regional protagonists like Hawke or Hawke himself with quirky stories, okay, I would change my opinion on DA. But both the Origins and the Inquisition are suffering from taking itself way too seriously, erring on the side of caution, and therefore dullness, with only some companions to relief the shades of gray. The wrong shades of gray, the shades of boredom.
The worst game I've played actually was a Chinese made Revelation Online, that according to its billing had a notable Chinese novelist writing the plot. At the time I played it, the western version had Chinese VAs. It was terrible to the point of disbelief that this could be even funded as a professional money-making project. Korean Blade and Soul at least had amazing artwork, frigging awesome fighting styles, and some moments of neat in the plotline, but overall convinced me that I am not a fan of the Asian fusion "everything goes" style or that game's obsession with young orphaned girls of high birth and boobs.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 29, 2017 14:21:17 GMT
I wonder if there will be trailer at E3 2018?
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Post by tacsear on Jun 29, 2017 15:09:31 GMT
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Wunderbar about DA4 project gaining traction.
Unfortunately, ML is involved.
He is always involved
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Post by Warrick on Jun 29, 2017 20:50:03 GMT
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Wunderbar about DA4 project gaining traction.
Unfortunately, ML is involved.
He is always involved Silly exaggerated hip sway walk animation for females confirmed.
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Post by tacsear on Jun 29, 2017 21:15:46 GMT
Silly exaggerated hip sway walk animation for females confirmed. And I ain't even mad
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Post by duckley on Jun 30, 2017 16:15:17 GMT
018 - Anthem 2019 - Dragon Age 4 set in Tevinter 2020 - Mass Effect Andromeda 2 2022 - Dragon Age 5 set in Anderfels My picks
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Post by Max Deltree on Jun 30, 2017 19:19:17 GMT
Taking a page from a discussion in the Twitter thread, I hope to see them expanding their universes with smaller games by other studios, like Last Court and the rumored Dragon Age Tactics game (I know Mark Darrah just confirmed he isn't working on that, but as someone on the forum said, that doesn't exclude an external studio). And I hope to see more comics, books and animations in the future.
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Post by eriador117 on Jul 1, 2017 18:09:51 GMT
^^^^ Skyrim: silent protagonist chosen one with weak sauce romance (no one woo'd anyone at all) and no friends or family. I played it for a month. I got bored. Tried Dragon Age right after- played Trilogy 4 times. If you don't see those two worlds and game series as completely different? I don't think you're trying very hard. They don't scratch te same itch at all. I play DA for a lot of reasons, but mostly for a happy ending with steamy romantic bits and friends set in a medeval setting. I mean setting-wise. I understand that whoever does Skyrm provides different content. What I wish for is BioWare style content in a less generic setting than DA. I guess we have the LotR and Martin to thank for them producing DA setting instead of growing the JE setting that has far, far, far more intriguing themes and possibilities. I'd really rather do Definitely Not Central Asia, SEA, NEA and India than the Definitely not Aquitaine and UK. Well, my hopes now are for Ubisoft. If AC: Origins does well, maybe there will be appetite for other exotic settings or the remake of their older titles with the new graphics with the exotic locations. Monster compendium and PC races are not on offer, but you can't have it all.
I mean, do you absolutely have to have Dwarves and Elves and European vibe? Or would you have been happy to get the same stuff as DAT provides only in a more unsual exotic setting?
By the time DAT came out, I've played BG1, BG2, IWD1, IWD2, and NWN2 for a decade, all of which are fantasy medieval Europe with elves, dwarves, etc. When Jade Empire came out, it blew me away. It was different. And yes, I played in their TOR setting and in the Effect settings, and I love them, but I am as sick of lightsabres as I am of bows and swords; and Effect is faltering. I like Remnant, and I like Andromeda, but people did not.
Another Jade would have been right on the money for me just now.
I like elves and dwarves and I want a fantasy game set in a recognisable fantasy universe. Does it matter that it's been done before? No, I don't think so. People like what they like. Would I object to a different universe for a fantasy game? Not at all, but don't sacrifice my Dragon Age game for it. DA are the only games I play regularly. DA itself could have exotic settings too - we've never seen the Anderfels, Nevarra, Tevinter or Rivain yet, there is so much possibility there I couldn't get into Skyrim that much, I wanted more of a story and more romance in my medieval/fantasy setting and DA has that in spades. I read a lot of fantasy books and DA for me is like an interactive book. That's what I love about it. It's a genre that I love and always have and I don't want it to disappear just because people think that genre is dead or that there is too much of it now. Fantasy RPG, that is what I want to play.
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Post by Sartoz on Jul 1, 2017 19:32:38 GMT
Silly exaggerated hip sway walk animation for females confirmed. -(_DA4_)-
Hm... depends.
Anthem has some serious "proper walking" animations while the cinematics from ME:A were heavily ridiculed. I'm of the opinion that ML will make creative adjustments to avoid the ME:A mistakes regarding character animation.... at least, I hope so.
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