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Post by Sifr on Oct 27, 2019 23:49:35 GMT
If I was Dany, after landing on Dragonstone and resting for a bit, she should have lead a night raid with her three dragons and turned the Red Keep into molten slag with everyone in it. She would have won and we wouldn't have gotten that season BS. But the story would have been cut short. It always bothered the hell out of me that Dany never considered attacking at night, especially following the discovery that the Lannisters had built Scorpions capable of taking out her dragons. It's not like the defenders of King's Landing have access to giant spotlights to light up the night sky, so all she needed to do was wait for the new moon or an overcast night to attack and taking out the Scorpions would have been a doddle.
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Post by ScumbagShepurd on Oct 28, 2019 0:27:51 GMT
If I was Dany, after landing on Dragonstone and resting for a bit, she should have lead a night raid with her three dragons and turned the Red Keep into molten slag with everyone in it. She would have won and we wouldn't have gotten that season BS. But the story would have been cut short. It always bothered the hell out of me that Dany never considered attacking at night, especially following the discovery that the Lannisters had built Scorpions capable of taking out her dragons. It's not like the defenders of King's Landing have access to giant spotlights to light up the night sky, so all she needed to do was wait for the new moon or an overcast night to attack and taking out the Scorpions would have been a doddle. tbf it feels like if the plot demanded that the Lannisters should have giant spotlights, they would have it. The Lanns (or rather Westeros) shouldn't have an industrial capacity to produce giant scorpions with such pace and in such numbers either but the plot demanded and here we are.
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Post by House Targaryen on Oct 29, 2019 3:58:17 GMT
If I was Dany, after landing on Dragonstone and resting for a bit, she should have lead a night raid with her three dragons and turned the Red Keep into molten slag with everyone in it. She would have won and we wouldn't have gotten that season BS. But the story would have been cut short. It always bothered the hell out of me that Dany never considered attacking at night, especially following the discovery that the Lannisters had built Scorpions capable of taking out her dragons. It's not like the defenders of King's Landing have access to giant spotlights to light up the night sky, so all she needed to do was wait for the new moon or an overcast night to attack and taking out the Scorpions would have been a doddle. If Dany (the writers) paid attention to the history of Westros, would have known that Aegon the Conqueror did that with Harrenhal. He knew there would be archers placed all over the wall so he waited until it was dark and laid waste to the castle. Can't hit what you can't see.
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Post by Sifr on Oct 29, 2019 11:13:53 GMT
tbf it feels like if the plot demanded that the Lannisters should have giant spotlights, they would have it. The Lanns (or rather Westeros) shouldn't have an industrial capacity to produce giant scorpions with such pace and in such numbers either but the plot demanded and here we are. We should have expected this when Euron somehow managed to pull a brand new Fleet out of his arse, despite the Iron Islands having no trees that they could have built them with. Same when it comes to the massive landscaping project the Lannisters did to King's Landing in S8, flattening all the hills and trees around the city that we saw in previous seasons to resemble a large desert plain.
Seems that by the end of the show, everyone was playing with console commands and giving themselves unlimited resources.
If Dany (the writers) paid attention to the history of Westros, would have known that Aegon the Conqueror did that with Harrenhal. He knew there would be archers placed all over the wall so he waited until it was dark and laid waste to the castle. Can't hit what you can't see. The difference between Aegon and Dany is that he was someone who spent ten years devising a strategy to take Westeros... whereas she is someone who showed up at Dragonstone with no plan and simply decided to wing it.
This is why I hope that if/when Dany goes to Westeros in the books, we'll see she has a solid strategy in mind and has already cemented some allies before she lands.
Rather than show up as an unknown outsider automatically demanding fealty, her ambitions might be better served if she started small by making allies or demonstrations of power. She could win prospective allies by showing up unexpectedly to turn the tide of battle in their favour, or else demonstrate to their rivals why joining her is in their best self-interest, to avoid being on the receiving end of dragonfire once more.
By having allies dependent on her for military aid, she can ensure even the self-serving ones will remain loyal by threatening to cut them off if they act against her or do not support her eventual bid of the Iron Throne.
I'd love to see Book!Dany do a lot more political maneuvering, rather than Show!Dany's scorched earth mentality.
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Post by Lavochkin on Oct 29, 2019 22:31:51 GMT
"Naomi Watt’s Game of Thrones prequel “Bloodmoon” cancelled!"
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Post by CHRrOME on Oct 30, 2019 0:48:14 GMT
I've heard something, truth be told, didn't pay too much attention after the fiasco of GoT. So the writers were working on the new SW movie? and they left that also? Some rumors about how shitty Disney was regarding the new movie.
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Post by Sifr on Oct 30, 2019 15:54:49 GMT
I've heard something, truth be told, didn't pay too much attention after the fiasco of GoT. So the writers were working on the new SW movie? and they left that also? Some rumors about how shitty Disney was regarding the new movie. D&D were meant to be helming a new trilogy, but they've since "left" the project.
We don't know whether it was voluntary or not... but most people reckon that it was not. Seems their plan to ditch Thrones for those sweet Star Wars bucks ended up backfiring on them.
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Post by Lavochkin on Nov 3, 2019 23:36:31 GMT
Supposedly D&D had a falling out with GRRM.
Before Star Wars: Benioff and Weiss falling out with Martin over Game of Thrones
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 4, 2019 9:30:37 GMT
I'd love to see Book!Dany do a lot more political maneuvering, rather than Show!Dany's scorched earth mentality. Well book Dany will arrive after young Griff (Aegon) has already started his push for the throne, with the backing of the Golden Company and Dorne (in secret), so I imagine the plot will be a lot more complex and interesting than in the show. They totally left out the plot with Aegon (or combined it with Jon Snow's story possibly) and reduced Prince Doran's participation in the politics to a side-show that was quickly disposed of. Sansa's story in the books is very different as well considering she is never married off to Ramsey in the book. What is possible is that Dany will turn aside from the politics in the south in order to deal with the Others and thus win over the north but probably not as it was dealt with in the show.
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Post by skekSil on Jan 6, 2020 20:06:55 GMT
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Post by Fredward on Jan 7, 2020 12:39:02 GMT
So I haven't watched the series (I did watch the first season when it came out though) but avoiding the outrage and causes of was more or less impossible so I'm curious as to what the consensus is from fans of the series and the books: do ya'll think the major beats of the ending (Bran king, Sansa queen in the north, Dany dead, John irrelevant, Cersei and Jaime inseperably incestuous etc) will remain consistent with the series and the major difference will be in its handling of nuances and details that contribute to those conclusions?
ie Dany will still go mad but it'll be less whiplash inducing since the books will spend more time on the events that lead up to it and her shifting mental landscape (which it already kinda is tbh)? Because the ending and arc in and of itself seems very GRRM to me, it's just the execution that wasn't pulled off.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 7, 2020 17:40:27 GMT
So I haven't watched the series (I did watch the first season when it came out though) but avoiding the outrage and causes of was more or less impossible so I'm curious as to what the consensus is from fans of the series and the books: do ya'll think the major beats of the ending (Bran king, Sansa queen in the north, Dany dead, John irrelevant, Cersei and Jaime inseperably incestuous etc) will remain consistent with the series and the major difference will be in its handling of nuances and details that contribute to those conclusions? ie Dany will still go mad but it'll be less whiplash inducing since the books will spend more time on the events that lead up to it and her shifting mental landscape (which it already kinda is tbh)? Because the ending and arc in and of itself seems very GRRM to me, it's just the execution that wasn't pulled off. I don't know, but I hope so. If contributing events stay - more or less - the same, it would be a disappointment if Dany didn't go the same route. Sansa has had a much easier time of it in the books - to date - than she had in the series, and the suffering she experienced while in Winterfell under the Boltons definitely shaped her TV character, so who knows there. The others you mentioned, well, yeah. Flipping tropes and expectations is sort of his deal, so I'd expect nothing less than the incest couple to get a tragic love story ending, the impossibly perfect and noble bastard/not actually a bastard prince to - not be irrelevant, but - end up with nothing and the nearly immortal cripple to be King. All of that makes perfect GRRM sense to me. Which I guess gives as much chance to the opposite occurring Regardless, while I actually enjoyed season 8, it is hard to see the books being bested by it. He's said that if he needs a thousand more pages to tell the story right, he'll add a thousand more pages. TV shows and their budgets don't offer that kind of freedom.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 7, 2020 22:13:15 GMT
So I haven't watched the series (I did watch the first season when it came out though) but avoiding the outrage and causes of was more or less impossible so I'm curious as to what the consensus is from fans of the series and the books: do ya'll think the major beats of the ending (Bran king, Sansa queen in the north, Dany dead, John irrelevant, Cersei and Jaime inseperably incestuous etc) will remain consistent with the series and the major difference will be in its handling of nuances and details that contribute to those conclusions? ie Dany will still go mad but it'll be less whiplash inducing since the books will spend more time on the events that lead up to it and her shifting mental landscape (which it already kinda is tbh)? Because the ending and arc in and of itself seems very GRRM to me, it's just the execution that wasn't pulled off. Hopefully with three more ginormous tomes, GRRM will not feel the need to rush things at the end like the series did.
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Post by fylimar on Jan 8, 2020 11:10:04 GMT
I just hope, GRRM will finish the books. At the moments he seems to be happy with other projects. I would be glad, if at least 'The Winds of Winter' would come out.
As for show versus books: I'm pretty sure, Dany will go down the same route in the books. As for the rest - not sure. Many characters, that are dead or never existed in the show, are still alive and kicking in the book - Stannis for example or Aegon, who might not live to see the end of the books, but who knows.
I hope, the ending for Cersei and Jaime is a bit less cliche in the books, but I trust Martin to deliver a satisfying end for them, should all books come out.
All in all, season 8 wasn't as bad for me as many make it out to be. My only really big complain was episode 2. That was a mess with a lot of very illogical and stupid behavior. And of course getting rid of the White Walker so quickly was very unsatisfying, they should have remained a thread longer. Dany going down the madness route was not something that came out of the blue for me. And I liked, that they focussed in the battle of Kings Landing more on the suffering of the little people - something that GRRM capitalises a lot in his books, be it the Mointain, who murdered and raped through teh Riverlands or generally soldiers burning down villages and fields and robbing the people of their food sources - than heroics. I'm ok with Jon going back to the Nightswatch and Bran being the king, with Tyrion as his hand. And Sansa being the Queen of the North.
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Post by nopersdeviv on Jan 8, 2020 16:27:24 GMT
I just hope, GRRM will finish the books. At the moments he seems to be happy with other projects. I would be glad, if at least 'The Winds of Winter' would come out. As for show versus books: I'm pretty sure, Dany will go down the same route in the books. As for the rest - not sure. Many characters, that are dead or never existed in the show, are still alive and kicking in the book - Stannis for example or Aegon, who might not live to see the end of the books, but who knows. I hope, the ending for Cersei and Jaime is a bit less cliche in the books, but I trust Martin to deliver a satisfying end for them, should all books come out. All in all, season 8 wasn't as bad for me as many make it out to be. My only really big complain was episode 2. That was a mess with a lot of very illogical and stupid behavior. And of course getting rid of the White Walker so quickly was very unsatisfying, they should have remained a thread longer. Dany going down the madness route was not something that came out of the blue for me. And I liked, that they focussed in the battle of Kings Landing more on the suffering of the little people - something that GRRM capitalises a lot in his books, be it the Mointain, who murdered and raped through teh Riverlands or generally soldiers burning down villages and fields and robbing the people of their food sources - than heroics. I'm ok with Jon going back to the Nightswatch and Bran being the king, with Tyrion as his hand. And Sansa being the Queen of the North. My biggest problem was that it was too short and needed an extra episode or two to expand on the story. Much of what happened was foreseeable, but there could've been better rwists to it. Jon in the Nightswatch works, IMO. He belonged there, he seemed quite comfortable in the North and so did Ghost. On the whole it was solid ending, if not predictable, but there were characters and plotlines that were wasted. I'm hoping GRRM will clarify things more thoroughly in the books.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 8, 2020 19:22:06 GMT
Not sure what the point of even going up to the Wall is anymore, since the Blue Man Group got ninja-shanked by the assassin-rogue.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 8, 2020 19:33:54 GMT
Not sure what the point of even going up to the Wall is anymore, since the Blue Man Group got ninja-shanked by the assassin-rogue. From a safety/security point of view, there probably isn't one - besides making sure no giant eagles or direwolves come wandering down to eat people. But like (series) Tyrion said; "the world will always need a place for bastards and broken men". It's still a life sentence of service. But it's service with no singular purpose at the moment.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jan 8, 2020 19:52:14 GMT
I'm hoping GRRM will clarify things more thoroughly in the books. Whatever else comes, one thing I think you can take to the bank is that GRRM will clarify things until your teeth hurt. He is not shy about using 1000 words when 600 would probably do the job.
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Post by fylimar on Jan 9, 2020 16:11:28 GMT
I just hope, GRRM will finish the books. At the moments he seems to be happy with other projects. I would be glad, if at least 'The Winds of Winter' would come out. As for show versus books: I'm pretty sure, Dany will go down the same route in the books. As for the rest - not sure. Many characters, that are dead or never existed in the show, are still alive and kicking in the book - Stannis for example or Aegon, who might not live to see the end of the books, but who knows. I hope, the ending for Cersei and Jaime is a bit less cliche in the books, but I trust Martin to deliver a satisfying end for them, should all books come out. All in all, season 8 wasn't as bad for me as many make it out to be. My only really big complain was episode 2. That was a mess with a lot of very illogical and stupid behavior. And of course getting rid of the White Walker so quickly was very unsatisfying, they should have remained a thread longer. Dany going down the madness route was not something that came out of the blue for me. And I liked, that they focussed in the battle of Kings Landing more on the suffering of the little people - something that GRRM capitalises a lot in his books, be it the Mointain, who murdered and raped through teh Riverlands or generally soldiers burning down villages and fields and robbing the people of their food sources - than heroics. I'm ok with Jon going back to the Nightswatch and Bran being the king, with Tyrion as his hand. And Sansa being the Queen of the North. My biggest problem was that it was too short and needed an extra episode or two to expand on the story. Much of what happened was foreseeable, but there could've been better rwists to it. Jon in the Nightswatch works, IMO. He belonged there, he seemed quite comfortable in the North and so did Ghost. On the whole it was solid ending, if not predictable, but there were characters and plotlines that were wasted. I'm hoping GRRM will clarify things more thoroughly in the books. I agree, they could have taken soem episodes more - but that was a problem, I had in season 7 too. There was much 'beaming' around, people who seemd to be in King's Landing one day and behind the Wall the next. And season 8 could have used a couple of episodes more to explain some things more.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 9, 2020 22:06:47 GMT
My biggest problem was that it was too short and needed an extra episode or two to expand on the story. Much of what happened was foreseeable, but there could've been better rwists to it. Jon in the Nightswatch works, IMO. He belonged there, he seemed quite comfortable in the North and so did Ghost. On the whole it was solid ending, if not predictable, but there were characters and plotlines that were wasted. I'm hoping GRRM will clarify things more thoroughly in the books. I agree, they could have taken soem episodes more - but that was a problem, I had in season 7 too. There was much 'beaming' around, people who seemd to be in King's Landing one day and behind the Wall the next. And season 8 could have used a couple of episodes more to explain some things more. Really if we got more episodes that would've just extended the boring Night King bits.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 12, 2020 9:24:57 GMT
I'm hoping GRRM will clarify things more thoroughly in the books. My suspicion is that if Bran becomes King in the books, GRRM is going to reveal that he's actually been body-jacked by Bloodraven as part of a centuries-long gambit to take the throne.
The funny thing is that the show makes this interpretation possible as well, what with Bran acting completely different after becoming the Three-Eyed Raven and when you take into account him saying things like "I'm not Bran anymore, not really" and even "Why do you think I came this way?" as him brazenly admitting the truth to people, knowing no-one will ever realise what he really meant by it.
Would even explain why Bran was totally cool with manipulating events in S8 to manufacture the breakdown in Jon's relationship with Daenarys, removing both legitimate Targaryen heirs to the throne, while simultaneously convincing Tyrion to nominate him as a suitable replacement candidate.
It'd even explain why Bran would push away Meera in S7 (her knowledge of warging meant she might have figured out the truth), as well as why he ends S8 with none of his close family around him, who likewise might have discovered the switch.
And it'd be thematic to have come full circle with a King ascending the throne who isn't who he claims to be.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 14, 2020 7:22:20 GMT
I agree, they could have taken soem episodes more - but that was a problem, I had in season 7 too. There was much 'beaming' around, people who seemd to be in King's Landing one day and behind the Wall the next. And season 8 could have used a couple of episodes more to explain some things more. Really if we got more episodes that would've just extended the boring Night King bits. Thing is, they didn’t have to be boring. This was an otherworldly being that the showrunners could have done anything with. They just lacked the imagination to do anything interesting with him without material to repurpose.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 14, 2020 7:40:09 GMT
Really if we got more episodes that would've just extended the boring Night King bits. Thing is, they didn’t have to be boring. This was an otherworldly being that the showrunners could have done anything with. They just lacked the imagination to do anything interesting with him without material to repurpose. A. The Night King has thus far been an invention purely of the show so for an adaptation there is no wonder that they didn't know what to do with him. I mean adaptations can take creative liscence but his inclusion in hindsight was just...weird. B. Looking back on it they really 'lacked the imagination' to do anything with the Night King or the White Walkers period. The strength of the Game of Thrones was the Game of Thrones...I mean even the northern plot line up till season 7 basically focused on the interplay between the various human, down to earth, political threats...first the Wildlings and then the Boltons. The show was always at its worse when focusing on the supernatural (admittedly aside from Hardhome). And from the middle of season 7 to the middle of season 8 they focused almost exclusively on that conflict...and aside from a couple of amazing set pieces, namely Danny rescuing Jon on the ice, it was just unspecactular. Once the Night King died it is telling that, at least for me, the show improved overnight by about 5 fold.
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