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Post by Iddy on Jul 5, 2017 11:14:43 GMT
I'm including experiences from any of the main three games. Were there any decisions your character made that were completely misinterpreted by the companions? Or perhaps something your character said that was taken the wrong way?
For an example, when I did Broken Circle and saved the mages with my Dalish Warden, Wynne and Cullen thought he did so out of compassion. In truth, he couldn't care less about them and only did so because it would be a waste not to have them in the army.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 5, 2017 11:40:26 GMT
DAI Conscripting the Mages: People assume it is because I favour having mages locked up in Circles. Actually it is because I don't trust their leadership, who has already sold out once to Tevinter and I am not allowed to replace, plus there may be other rogue elements among the rebel faction, so I want to keep an eye on them. Effectively for me conscription is allowing them to show me they can be trusted (which for some reason can only be given as my reason if I ally with them, so what happens if they can't be trusted since I have no control over them?). Turns out to be a good move because the rogue elements do desert and then lead us to where some other dangerous subversives can be found. Then my conscripted mages become the Bight Hand, exemplars of what good mages should be and the only group who seem confident and capable enough to stand up to Vivienne, so I felt my decision was vindicated. Would have appreciated some acknowledgement of that fact by those who initially criticised me.
DA2 Sparing Anders: He thinks it is because I support him in what he did. No, it is simply that I agree with Merrill that since he created the situation in which mad Meredith called an Annulment of all mages in Circle the least he can do is help me save them.
DA2 Opting to support the Mages: Varric seems to disapprove because he doesn't think we should be letting "dangerous people run amok" (Whereas supporting the Templars is approved of as "protecting our way of life".) No Varric, siding with the mages is helping stop innocent people being slaughtered for something they didn't do. If letting injustice go undefended is protecting our way life, then I am definitely one of the dangerous people running amok.
DAO Seeing what the Tevinter Slaver is willing to offer: Zevran seems to think that I am actually willing to consider accepting his terms and warns me about the consequences for the elves. I am an elf and have no intention of selling them out. I just want to see how big a hole he wants to dig for himself. Plus if we can get away without a fight it will probably be a good thing as those innocent elves are likely to get caught in the crossfire. I thought offering to let him walk away with his life was generous but the guy was greedy, so he had to die.
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Post by fylimar on Jul 6, 2017 5:21:54 GMT
DAI Champions of the Just: this is a bit similar to gervaise21: I conscripted them, not because I hate templars, but because of a leadership gone mad and no follower to speak up before the worst has happened (Ser Baris comes late to the party). At least in the mage storyline, there are some mages, who openly critisize Fiona for what she has done.
DA2: sparing Anders: my Hawke, even the mage freedom loving ones, don't usually agree that blowing up a house full of people is a good thing, but they don't think, that they have the right or authority to punish Anders for that. That doesn't mean, they support, what he did.
DAO: Saving Isolde and Connor: Alistair always assumes, my wardens do that from the kindness of their hearts, but Isolde is an unfriendly b**** and Connor at the moment a monster, so not much kindness for any of them. But saving the relatives of a powerful arl could proof useful in the long run. And even, if Eamon still dies, Teagan will be equally thankful. And if you make Alistair king, you have even a royal in your pocket.
DA2: helping Merrill get the arunin'holm: my Hawkes are not ok with her blood magic, but if they can control, what she does to an extent, it might be less dangerous, than letting that silly girl go behind my back and actually invite her demon buddy into her body or something similar stupid. Someone who disapproves the destroying of Tahrones works should be kept very close.
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Post by phoray on Jul 6, 2017 17:27:45 GMT
Considering I knew Giselle disapproves of Dorian...when she came to give me the Letter from Lord Pavus?
It was like, "I have something to share about the Tevinter."
iQ knows she doesn't like him so he says: "nothing good, I expect."
Sails right over her head. "yes, well, I'm glad you share my doubts. But it's another matter. Blah blah"
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Post by Zemgus on Jul 6, 2017 21:24:44 GMT
Oh, yes. When my City Elf left Shianni at the mercy of Vaughain. Everyone - including her own father who refused to even speak to her - thought she did it out of greed and must be a terrible person. Truth is, she was scared and just wanted to go home. She had just been brutally beaten, saw her fiance die before eyes and was nearly raped. She had never fought or killed before in her life. She blamed Shianni for ruining her wedding and causing everything that happened. Vaughain threatened her that if she killed him his father would burn the alienage to the ground as revenge. There's no reason why she would not believe him. So that's why she escaped and left Shianni behind.
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Post by tacsear on Jul 6, 2017 22:05:50 GMT
Sebastian thinking I killed Anders because I like him or something. But I equally hate them both
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Post by aslightjump on Jul 7, 2017 2:39:40 GMT
The Anders one is a big one for most of my Hawkes. I didn't save you because I agree with you, you absolute wanker; I didn't kill you because you don't get to be a martyr and you're going to do like Merrill says and clean up your mess.
Both conscription options the anti-that-option people want to pretend like you're persecuting whichever group when the reality is that the higher-ups in both are insane or stupid and cannot be trusted, or there is no higher up. I don't intend to keep them forever. (Although I think they do give you an option at least with the mages to be like 'this is a trial run for them.')
Sometimes I banish the Grey Wardens because I merely want what amounts to another fractured faction out of an already unstable situation, and not because I want to punish them.
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Post by arvaarad on Jul 7, 2017 3:20:38 GMT
When my Lavellan killed the sentinels, she did it for the same reason many ally with them. She was protecting her people. She had Cole, Sera, and Solas with her. Cole, who can read minds, suggested skipping the puzzles to end the fighting sooner. Sera, who can read people, suggested the same. The only dissenter was Solas, who could not possibly have visited this temple if he was who he claimed to be. That means the strongest predictor of the sentinels' behavior, according to her mind, would be Cole. We as players know that Cole's compassion can often be a little short sighted, but it's a nuance this particular PC hadn't picked up on. Hell, I'd already beaten the game with my Adaar, and I had enjoyed doing the puzzles with him. But to her, the sentinels had been killing her people. The temple guards were people she'd never met, like the Qunari she sacrificed in Bull's mission. On top of that, they were hostile, striking first. She would not be swayed simply by virtue of their shared blood. But somehow Mr. Protect Your People is reaaaaaalll picky about who you consider to be "your people".  |
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Post by PhroX on Jul 7, 2017 9:31:15 GMT
DAI Conscripting the Mages: People assume it is because I favour having mages locked up in Circles. Actually it is because I don't trust their leadership, who has already sold out once to Tevinter and I am not allowed to replace, plus there may be other rogue elements among the rebel faction, so I want to keep an eye on them. Effectively for me conscription is allowing them to show me they can be trusted (which for some reason can only be given as my reason if I ally with them, so what happens if they can't be trusted since I have no control over them?). Turns out to be a good move because the rogue elements do desert and then lead us to where some other dangerous subversives can be found. Then my conscripted mages become the Bight Hand, exemplars of what good mages should be and the only group who seem confident and capable enough to stand up to Vivienne, so I felt my decision was vindicated. Would have appreciated some acknowledgement of that fact by those who initially criticised me. Yeah, this one really annoys me. Lack of trust of their leadership is a perfectly reasonable justification for conscripting them, but the first character I made that decision with had an even simpler reason - the same reason conscription has often been used in our history: the stakes involved in the current conflict are too high to waste time on niceties like negotiation or relying on volunteers. We literally just conscripted them. We didn't lock them up, we didn't throw them to the templars, we simply conscripted them into a military organisation. Perfectly normal behaviour. And it makes sense. We need everyone who can contribute fighting for our side, whether they want to or not. And that goes for mages, templars, soldiers, nobles, peasants, priests, wardens and and anyone else. And this wasn't a one off - the character in question conscripted people elsewhere, both in missions (e.g. the wardens) and on the war table (there's a couple where you can send people out to conscript peasants to boost the Inquisitions forces for example). And it worked. We saved the goddamn world. And yet people in game seem to think I have some particular vendetta against mages (particularly Leliana who goes on a massive rant at you for conscripting mages who were actively aiding your enemy yet doesn't utter a peep if you do the same to ordinary people). |
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Post by Iddy on Jul 7, 2017 12:34:24 GMT
Oh, yes. When my City Elf left Shianni at the mercy of Vaughain. Everyone - including her own father who refused to even speak to her - thought she did it out of greed and must be a terrible person. Truth is, she was scared and just wanted to go home. She had just been brutally beaten, saw her fiance die before eyes and was nearly raped. She had never fought or killed before in her life. She blamed Shianni for ruining her wedding and causing everything that happened. Vaughain threatened her that if she killed him his father would burn the alienage to the ground as revenge. There's no reason why she would not believe him. So that's why she escaped and left Shianni behind. That is very admirable. It takes courage to have your character do the more "human" and less heroic thing. |
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Post by shechinah on Jul 7, 2017 13:19:22 GMT
Oh, yes. When my City Elf left Shianni at the mercy of Vaughain. Everyone - including her own father who refused to even speak to her - thought she did it out of greed and must be a terrible person. Truth is, she was scared and just wanted to go home. She had just been brutally beaten, saw her fiance die before eyes and was nearly raped. She had never fought or killed before in her life. She blamed Shianni for ruining her wedding and causing everything that happened. Vaughain threatened her that if she killed him his father would burn the alienage to the ground as revenge. There's no reason why she would not believe him. So that's why she escaped and left Shianni behind. It's seldom that I see a non-"evil" reason for roleplaying this choice. That's a really good one too! |
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jul 8, 2017 7:12:15 GMT
Not sure if this quite fits, but I was a little annoyed that when I allied with the mages in DAI I had no choice to say "look Fiona, I think you're a bit of an idiot,but I'm damn well not going to conscript my own people" rather than being so cordial towards her (and my mage was very libertarian).
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Post by cmoe on Jul 9, 2017 5:32:39 GMT
Not sure if this quite fits, but I was a little annoyed that when I allied with the mages in DAI I had no choice to say "look Fiona, I think you're a bit of an idiot,but I'm damn well not going to conscript my own people" rather than being so cordial towards her (and my mage was very libertarian). So much this^ There really should have been a way to tell her what we thought of her actions. |
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Post by Iddy on Jul 10, 2017 16:23:41 GMT
Not sure if this quite fits, but I was a little annoyed that when I allied with the mages in DAI I had no choice to say "look Fiona, I think you're a bit of an idiot,but I'm damn well not going to conscript my own people" rather than being so cordial towards her (and my mage was very libertarian). You know... conscripting is just drafting into the army. It doesn't mean throwing them into dungeon cells. |
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Post by fylimar on Jul 11, 2017 5:24:26 GMT
Not sure if this quite fits, but I was a little annoyed that when I allied with the mages in DAI I had no choice to say "look Fiona, I think you're a bit of an idiot,but I'm damn well not going to conscript my own people" rather than being so cordial towards her (and my mage was very libertarian). That bugged me too. And you don't even get the chance to replace Fiona with someone more capable as leader. At least, at the templars side, you don't have to put up with Lucius |
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Post by Verfallen on Jul 11, 2017 11:32:36 GMT
Exiling the Grey Wardens. It seemed like everyone assumed the Inquisitor was angry with them and doing it either out of revenge or prove a point. My Inquisitor did it for their own damn good because they could still be influenced at that time, which could pose a risk to both the goals of the Inquisition and the Wardens themselves.
He also quite reasonably assumed that once the threat was over there was no reason they couldn't be un-exiled. Particularly since he disbanded the Inquisition at the end, he failed to see why the situational edict of a defunct organization should be taken as gospel forevermore. But the game treats it like they will never, ever be allowed back.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 11, 2017 21:51:42 GMT
That whole Warden decision annoyed me intensely when I discovered how rigged the outcome was. I totally agree with Verfallen that I never considered it would be a permanent banishment even in Orlais, much less be taken as a reason to shun the Grey Wardens throughout Thedas, where presumably they weren't sent weird by Corypheus. The first time I was confronted with the decision it seemed to make sense to get them as far away from Corypheus as possible, so I sent them away for their own safety and if that also meant that the leaders in Weishauppt would be shaken into taking action, so much the better. We were even given the big hint that they would still pose a risk if kept in Orlais, so it seemed like it was the wisest decision. This also seemed borne out when we are still fighting Wardens in the Arbor Wilds. Then at the end it seems like our decision has doomed the Wardens throughout Thedas. Why?
Then what was even more annoying was to discover that if you conscript the Wardens into the Inquisition, there is no downside to this decision whatsoever. Wardens are still fighting with Corypheus but are clearly not your Wardens. You get extra war table missions where they can be usefully employed and they never pose any risk to your organisation. As a result, they are still welcome throughout Thedas.
I felt like I had been tricked by the writers with all their dire warnings, so taking what seemed like the sensible decision both from the perspective of my organisation and the Wardens ended up having the worst outcome for them. Whereas taking an almighty gamble in keeping them in close proximity to Corypheus was rewarded.
I was also annoyed that in both the main game and in Trespasser the events of Awakening were totally ignored. The way Clarel spoke in her letter to Teagan it would seem like the prohibition by Loghain was still in force and the way Teagan spoke about the Wardens you would never think that the monarch had given approval to the Wardens running Vigil's Keep and the surrounding land holding or (in my case) they had made a total success of this, raising the Wardens profile in Ferelden and making the events surrounding Sophie Dryden irrelevant.
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Post by Pokemario on Jul 11, 2017 22:23:11 GMT
I never really understood how the Wardens could possibly still be controlled by Corypheus. Erimond could only bind the GW mages into obedience, and only if they completed the blood magic ritual he'd taught them. But after Here Lies The Abyss, the magister's lie was exposed and he got imprisoned by the Inquisition, thus making the binding of any Warden impossible.
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Post by Pokemario on Jul 11, 2017 22:36:05 GMT
Also, regarding the exile of the Grey Wardens: I always thought that, no matter how long the Inquisitor meant that to last, once they went to Weisshaupt Fortress they were unable to return to Southern Thedas because of the infighting going on there. We know that Orlais, at least, openly considers exiling the Wardens a mistake; it would be odd if they hadn't tried to revert that in the two years between DAI and Trespasser.
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Post by auronvigo on Jul 11, 2017 23:04:53 GMT
OK I admit it: I sometimes mess up Fairel's poem on purpose. Just to keep the troops on their toes.
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Post by auronvigo on Jul 12, 2017 14:07:33 GMT
Nah. Looks like the right spot to me. |
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Post by opuspace on Jul 12, 2017 19:38:57 GMT
OK I admit it: I sometimes mess up Fairel's poem on purpose. Just to keep the troops on their toes. How else are you gonna harvest demon innards when the rifts are sealed?! |
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Post by auronvigo on Jul 12, 2017 23:27:59 GMT
OK I admit it: I sometimes mess up Fairel's poem on purpose. Just to keep the troops on their toes. How else are you gonna harvest demon innards when the rifts are sealed?! If a certain someone gets their way we'll be covered in demon everything. The market will be flooded.  Leliana thinks I supported her ascension because I want a big hugfest. Truth is I was romancing Cassandra. (I mean I agreed to chasteness with Sebastian once. Wasn't about to do it again) Can you imagine the backlash if Cullen asked for celibacy? Bioware's twitter would have burned. |
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Post by Sunegami on Jul 15, 2017 19:13:10 GMT
The Anders one is a big one for most of my Hawkes. I didn't save you because I agree with you, you absolute wanker; I didn't kill you because you don't get to be a martyr and you're going to do like Merrill says and clean up your mess. My Hawke hates what Anders did but she'll be damned if he gets to be a martyr for his cause. She spares his life but basically tells him to get out of her sight and never speaks to him again. As far as other choices: My Cousland spared Isolde and got the mages to save Connor only because Connor reminded her of Oren, not because she gave a single shit about Isolde. When Alistair thanked her after, she made non-committal "you're welcome" noises and was generally uncomfortable. My Lavellan drank from the Well of Sorrows because she did not trust Morrigan for one second and was insulted that a shemlen considered herself more an expert about the elves than an actual elf. |
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