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Post by boxofscreaming on Jul 28, 2019 19:32:07 GMT
I have no desire to ever watch any superhero film that doesn't star Christopher Reeve or Michael Keaton.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 20:16:27 GMT
I have no desire to ever watch any superhero film that doesn't star Christopher Reeve or Michael Keaton.
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Post by Sundance31us on Jul 28, 2019 20:56:17 GMT
I have no desire to ever watch any superhero film that doesn't star Christopher Reeve or Michael Keaton. Lets not forget the Danny Elfman soundtrack...
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Jul 29, 2019 3:35:01 GMT
I like Batman v Superman: Dawn Of Justice.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 31, 2019 22:01:45 GMT
I prefer Batman Returns over Batman.
(And no, it's not just because of Catwoman)
My dislike of the first film largely stems from thinking Jack Nicholson was terrible as the Joker.
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Post by Vortex13 on Jul 31, 2019 22:49:44 GMT
I really dislike Damien Wayne.
Being genetically related to the Wayne bloodline does not automatically make you worthy of being Robin/Batman, let alone being "the best".
Dick Grayson and Tim Drake are better crime fighters & sons than Damien can ever hope to be.
Oh and Jason Todd: The Red Hood is a whinny petulant child.
All other members of the Bat-family, hell even Commissioner Gordon and his family, have gone through tragedies just as bad, if not worse than him, yet they didn't go all emo Punisher wannabe afterwards.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 1, 2019 2:18:21 GMT
The Dark Knight Trilogy is leagues better than all the movies in the MCU. 😛
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Post by Lavochkin on Aug 1, 2019 2:57:21 GMT
Kevin Conroy is best Batman.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 1, 2019 3:03:39 GMT
Kevin Conroy is best Batman. And Christian Bale is the 2nd best Batman.
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Post by nopersdeviv on Aug 1, 2019 3:08:11 GMT
My favorite Batman was Batman Forever because of this scene...
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Post by Vortex13 on Aug 1, 2019 3:30:42 GMT
Kevin Conroy is best Batman. Mark Hamil is the Joker.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 1, 2019 23:49:00 GMT
Kevin Conroy is best Batman. Mark Hamil is the Joker. I would say my personal favorite Batman and Joker are Troy Baker and Anthony Ingruber
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Post by Sifr on Aug 2, 2019 18:57:41 GMT
Oh and Jason Todd: The Red Hood is a whinny petulant child. All other members of the Bat-family, hell even Commissioner Gordon and his family, have gone through tragedies just as bad, if not worse than him, yet they didn't go all emo Punisher wannabe afterwards.Imagine being brutally beaten to death... then miraculously coming back to life, only to discover that not only has your friend/mentor refused to kill your murderer, but has wasted zero time in replacing you with someone else. Can we really blame Jason for being bitter? Jason Todd is the most interesting Robin (IMO) because he's so similar to Batman. He's what Bruce might be liked if he lacked self-restraint, chose not to adhere to a no-killing rule and let the desire for vengeance override his sense of morality/justice.
As for Jason going "emo Punisher" in the wake of his resurrection... I mean, is it any less unhealthy than Bruce dressing up like a bat and spending his nights punching fools, in addition to recruiting orphans and molding them into child soldiers to fight his endless war on crime?
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Post by Vortex13 on Aug 3, 2019 1:33:42 GMT
Oh and Jason Todd: The Red Hood is a whinny petulant child. All other members of the Bat-family, hell even Commissioner Gordon and his family, have gone through tragedies just as bad, if not worse than him, yet they didn't go all emo Punisher wannabe afterwards.Imagine being brutally beaten to death... then miraculously coming back to life, only to discover that not only has your friend/mentor refused to kill your murderer, but has wasted zero time in replacing you with someone else. Can we really blame Jason for being bitter? Jason Todd is the most interesting Robin (IMO) because he's so similar to Batman. He's what Bruce might be liked if he lacked self-restraint, chose not to adhere to a no-killing rule and let the desire for vengeance override his sense of morality/justice.
As for Jason going "emo Punisher" in the wake of his resurrection... I mean, is it any less unhealthy than Bruce dressing up like a bat and spending his nights punching fools, in addition to recruiting orphans and molding them into child soldiers to fight his endless war on crime? I would say that Jason should have realized that Batman wouldn't kill the Joker since that was the first lesson he taught his protegees in crime-fighting; no killing. As for the rest, what happened to Todd was not really any worse than what happened to Barbara Gordon, and then her father's subsequent psychological torture. You could argue about the 'beaten to death' angle, but people have more 1Ups in comics than Mario does, so it's not really as permanent as it would initially appear. I view his actions as the Red Hood as a weakness of character on his part; since Commissioner Gordan and Barbara didn't start killing criminals after what the Joker did to them. And Jason should have known better since he was Batman's closest ally at the time.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 3, 2019 1:59:25 GMT
Imagine being brutally beaten to death... then miraculously coming back to life, only to discover that not only has your friend/mentor refused to kill your murderer, but has wasted zero time in replacing you with someone else. Can we really blame Jason for being bitter? Jason Todd is the most interesting Robin (IMO) because he's so similar to Batman. He's what Bruce might be liked if he lacked self-restraint, chose not to adhere to a no-killing rule and let the desire for vengeance override his sense of morality/justice.
As for Jason going "emo Punisher" in the wake of his resurrection... I mean, is it any less unhealthy than Bruce dressing up like a bat and spending his nights punching fools, in addition to recruiting orphans and molding them into child soldiers to fight his endless war on crime? I would say that Jason should have realized that Batman wouldn't kill the Joker since that was the first lesson he taught his protegees in crime-fighting; no killing. As for the rest, what happened to Todd was not really any worse than what happened to Barbara Gordon, and then her father's subsequent psychological torture. You could argue about the 'beaten to death' angle, but people have more 1Ups in comics than Mario does, so it's not really as permanent as it would initially appear. I view his actions as the Red Hood as a weakness of character on his part; since Commissioner Gordan and Barbara didn't start killing criminals after what the Joker did to them. And Jason should have known better since he was Batman's closest ally at the time. Save that Batman's way of doing things is what got Jason killed in the first place. Had Bats killed the Joker years before he kidnapped, tortured and then killed Jason, the events leading up to his death would never have happened. So really, Jason's death and rebirth into the Red Hood is all on Batman. Edit: Also, I would like to point out that Batman has killed before.
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Post by Vortex13 on Aug 3, 2019 3:40:37 GMT
I would say that Jason should have realized that Batman wouldn't kill the Joker since that was the first lesson he taught his protegees in crime-fighting; no killing. As for the rest, what happened to Todd was not really any worse than what happened to Barbara Gordon, and then her father's subsequent psychological torture. You could argue about the 'beaten to death' angle, but people have more 1Ups in comics than Mario does, so it's not really as permanent as it would initially appear. I view his actions as the Red Hood as a weakness of character on his part; since Commissioner Gordan and Barbara didn't start killing criminals after what the Joker did to them. And Jason should have known better since he was Batman's closest ally at the time. Save that Batman's way of doing things is what got Jason killed in the first place. Had Bats killed the Joker years before he kidnapped, tortured and then killed Jason, the events leading up to his death would never have happened. So really, Jason's death and rebirth into the Red Hood is all on Batman. Edit: Also, I would like to point out that Batman has killed before. And if Gotham wasn't built over a literal Hellmouth then none of these problems would have arisen in the first place as well. I still say that Jason Todd was weak of character to wind up becoming the Red Hood. Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, and Barbara Gordon have all been through just as much collective crap over their crime fighting careers, yet they never snapped and start killing people like DC's version of the Punisher.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 3, 2019 3:51:27 GMT
Save that Batman's way of doing things is what got Jason killed in the first place. Had Bats killed the Joker years before he kidnapped, tortured and then killed Jason, the events leading up to his death would never have happened. So really, Jason's death and rebirth into the Red Hood is all on Batman. Edit: Also, I would like to point out that Batman has killed before. And if Gotham wasn't built over a literal Hellmouth then none of these problems would have arisen in the first place as well. I still say that Jason Todd was weak of character to wind up becoming the Red Hood. Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, and Barbara Gordon have all been through just as much collective crap over their crime fighting careers, yet they never snapped and start killing people like DC's version of the Punisher. And they didn't grow up on the streets like Jason did. And comparing Red Hood to the Punisher is kinda silly, they're nothing alike.
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Post by Vortex13 on Aug 3, 2019 4:38:37 GMT
And if Gotham wasn't built over a literal Hellmouth then none of these problems would have arisen in the first place as well. I still say that Jason Todd was weak of character to wind up becoming the Red Hood. Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, and Barbara Gordon have all been through just as much collective crap over their crime fighting careers, yet they never snapped and start killing people like DC's version of the Punisher. And they didn't grow up on the streets like Jason did. And comparing Red Hood to the Punisher is kinda silly, they're nothing alike. Being a street urchin is no excuse. If anyone had any sort of excuse it would be the ones who’s parents were literally murdered in front of them, but they never went off the deep end. Really? They both kill ‘bad’ people, are often at odds with other heroes and are frequently depicted as anti-heroes doing what the less scrupulous crime fighters will not by purging the streets of the guilty and deserving.. Sounds pretty similar to me. That one uses Batman ninja training and the other employs military tactics/hardware is just fluff.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 3, 2019 4:44:20 GMT
And they didn't grow up on the streets like Jason did. And comparing Red Hood to the Punisher is kinda silly, they're nothing alike. Being a street urchin is no excuse. If anyone had any sort of excuse it would be the ones who’s parents were literally murdered in front of them, but they never went off the deep end. Really? They both kill ‘bad’ people, are often at odds with other heroes and are frequently depicted as anti-heroes doing what the less scrupulous crime fighters will not by purging the streets of the guilty and deserving.. Sounds pretty similar to me. That one uses Batman ninja training and the other employs military tactics/hardware is just fluff. Did Jason lose his wife and kids to mobsters because they witnessed a mob execution? No, but Frank Castle did.
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Post by Vortex13 on Aug 3, 2019 4:55:12 GMT
Being a street urchin is no excuse. If anyone had any sort of excuse it would be the ones who’s parents were literally murdered in front of them, but they never went off the deep end. Really? They both kill ‘bad’ people, are often at odds with other heroes and are frequently depicted as anti-heroes doing what the less scrupulous crime fighters will not by purging the streets of the guilty and deserving.. Sounds pretty similar to me. That one uses Batman ninja training and the other employs military tactics/hardware is just fluff. Did Jason lose his wife and kids to mobsters because they witnessed a mob execution? No, but Frank Castle did. Okay so backstory is different, but how they conduct themselves is near identical as their alter-egos.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 3, 2019 5:05:34 GMT
Did Jason lose his wife and kids to mobsters because they witnessed a mob execution? No, but Frank Castle did. Okay so backstory is different, but how they conduct themselves is near identical as their alter-egos. Again no. The Punisher is who Frank Castle is now while Red Hood is Jason's alter ego. Also, Frank Castle was a soldier who served in the Vietnam War (he did 2 tours with the Marines and one with a black ops team). While Jason was trained to fight criminals as Robin. Jason choose to be what he is now whilst Frank Castle fell back his military training to fight criminals. (seriously, have you not read any of the Punisher comics?)
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Aug 3, 2019 21:38:38 GMT
Okay so backstory is different, but how they conduct themselves is near identical as their alter-egos. Again no. The Punisher is who Frank Castle is now while Red Hood is Jason's alter ego. Also, Frank Castle was a soldier who served in the Vietnam War (he did 2 tours with the Marines and one with a black ops team). While Jason was trained to fight criminals as Robin. Jason choose to be what he is now whilst Frank Castle fell back his military training to fight criminals. (seriously, have you not read any of the Punisher comics?) I didn't read the comics, but I will miss the Punisher on Netflix. Disney won't do this.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 3, 2019 22:34:25 GMT
Again no. The Punisher is who Frank Castle is now while Red Hood is Jason's alter ego. Also, Frank Castle was a soldier who served in the Vietnam War (he did 2 tours with the Marines and one with a black ops team). While Jason was trained to fight criminals as Robin. Jason choose to be what he is now whilst Frank Castle fell back his military training to fight criminals. (seriously, have you not read any of the Punisher comics?) I didn't read the comics, but I will miss the Punisher on Netflix. Disney won't do this. Did that Netflix show get released on DVD? Because I didn't hear anything about it.
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Post by Lavochkin on Aug 3, 2019 23:53:02 GMT
I never understood why nobody has managed a successful film franchise of the Punisher. You'd think a franchise about a guy gunning down criminals while wearing a skull shirt would be simple.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 4, 2019 0:02:35 GMT
I never understood why nobody has managed a successful film franchise of the Punisher. You'd think a franchise about a guy gunning down criminals while wearing a skull shirt would be simple. Well, the Punisher can be a bit (and by bit, I mean VERY) brutal. So doing scenes that fully capture it can leave viewers a bit green in the cheeks.
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