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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Sept 10, 2019 10:32:21 GMT
Nuclear power is a pretty good way to create energy, the next generation of nuclear powerplants is going to be extremely safe and even the spent rods will be enriched and recycled in the same plant. For me there is no doubt that nuclear power in this kind of save configuration is the way to go. Burning dinosaur sludge and crushed compressed prehistoric plants is, quite frankly, completely ridiculous and has caused lots of harm already. Solar power takes up enormous amounts of space and its dependant on weather, so it is not really a solution either. One way to create energy is pretty in interesting though, turbines powered by the currents of the ocean. Done correctly it can produce enormous amounts of energy with little damage to the environment, its super clean and its not even visible! There is no good solution. Just upsides and downsides to them all. Life in a nutshell!
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Post by Kappa Neko on Sept 10, 2019 11:03:20 GMT
Giant Ambush Beetle Yeah, if city builder games have taught me one thing: Always go with nuclear energy. Solar and wind always suck balls in comparison and take up too much space. Hahaha.
Also, the Fallout series has taught me that life after the nuclear apocolypse is pretty damn funny!
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Post by Pounce de LeΓ³n on Sept 10, 2019 11:25:36 GMT
All this green energy hubablu worrying about clean energy and wanting to shut down fossil fuels to save the planet. Want clean energy? One that has negligible waste issues and can more than meet the world's energy needs currently reliant on said fossil fuels? Nuclear Power. But of course that's not what environmentalist groups want. They would rather use unreliable energy sources like wind and solar power; which are niche sources in the absolute best of circumstances. Opponents to nuclear like to point at Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, and the Fukushima Daiichi leak in Japan but those are: 1.The result of the Communist Bloc famously cutting production corners, deliberately ignoring safety procedures and then trying to cover up the problem. 2. Inadequate training and operator error. The design of the safety systems actually was dealing with the problem but under trained personnel actually forced open vents because of mis-information. 3. Was a manageable leak, and was only an issue in the first place because both a tsunami and earthquake hit the power plant at nearly the same time. Even then it was cleaned up quickly and the danger mitigated. Spoken like a guy who is really eager to live next to the nuclear waste disposal site.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Sept 10, 2019 11:29:44 GMT
Spoken like a guy who is really eager to live next to the nuclear waste disposal site. Didn't you hear? Just dump it in the ocean like the Japanese. Problem solved!
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Post by Pounce de LeΓ³n on Sept 10, 2019 11:33:31 GMT
Spoken like a guy who is really eager to live next to the nuclear waste disposal site. Didn't you hear? Just dump it in the ocean like the Japanese. Problem solved! So much for "manageable" leak.
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Post by Pounce de LeΓ³n on Sept 10, 2019 11:36:47 GMT
Don't misunderstand me. I like nuclear power too. I'd love to see all the nuke power apologists live next to the reactors and waste sites. In a couple of generations the problem would solve itself that way.
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Post by Vortex13 on Sept 10, 2019 11:53:01 GMT
Don't misunderstand me. I like nuclear power too. I'd love to see all the nuke power apologists live next to the reactors and waste sites. In a couple of generations the problem would solve itself that way. Well considering how spent fuel rods can be enriched and recycled in the same plant (like Giant Ambush Beetle said) there's not going to be any real dump sites to worry about.
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Post by Pounce de LeΓ³n on Sept 10, 2019 12:03:32 GMT
Don't misunderstand me. I like nuclear power too. I'd love to see all the nuke power apologists live next to the reactors and waste sites. In a couple of generations the problem would solve itself that way. Well considering how spent fuel rods can be enriched and recycled in the same plant (like Giant Ambush Beetle said) there's not going to be any real dump sites to worry about. It just magically disappears, right?
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Sept 10, 2019 12:57:13 GMT
Don't misunderstand me. I like nuclear power too. I'd love to see all the nuke power apologists live next to the reactors and waste sites. In a couple of generations the problem would solve itself that way. I live in a part in Austria close to the Czech border, where the next Czech nuclear power plant is like 150 kilometers away, which is basically no distance whatsoever if it blows up and burns out, as Chernobyl has taught us. I'm slightly concerned about it, but solely due to the fact that its not a very modern power plant. If it had the safety standards of plants like in Germany my concerns would be very minimal. About the nuclear waste, most of it is stored deep underground in salt mines like in Germany. No way radiation could reach the surface nor could it reach ground water. Well, except during an asteroid strike, but that creates a ton of even more pressing problems. Storing burned out rods is more complicate as they require constant cooling, but since they can be recycled on-site now thats basically become a non-issue. Yeah, I wish energy would just appear out of nowhere, but since we cant have that nuclear power is the next best thing, really. I think its way better than ruing entire landscapes (and rendering farming land useless) with unreliable ginormous solar farms, its better than burning up dinosaur sludge and dinosaur stones that fucks up all of nature. Unlike most other forms of energy nuclear power does NOT ruin the environment unless something goes very wrong, the other forms do ruin everything in a slow process every day all day.
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Post by Pounce de LeΓ³n on Sept 10, 2019 13:07:57 GMT
Don't misunderstand me. I like nuclear power too. I'd love to see all the nuke power apologists live next to the reactors and waste sites. In a couple of generations the problem would solve itself that way. I live in a part in Austria close to the Czech border, where the next Czech nuclear power plant is like 150 kilometers away, which is basically no distance whatsoever if it blows up and burns out, as Chernobyl has taught us. I'm slightly concerned about it, but solely due to the fact that its not a very modern power plant. If it had the safety standards of plants like in Germany my concerns would be very minimal. About the nuclear waste, most of it is stored deep underground in salt mines like in Germany. No way radiation could reach the surface nor could it reach ground water. Well, except during an asteroid strike, but that creates a ton of even more pressing problems. Storing burned out rods is more complicate as they require constant cooling, but since they can be recycled on-site now thats basically become a non-issue. Yeah, I wish energy would just appear out of nowhere, but since we cant have that nuclear power is the next best thing, really. I think its way better than ruing entire landscapes (and rendering farming land useless) with unreliable ginormous solar farms, its better than burning up dinosaur sludge and dinosaur stones that fucks up all of nature. Unlike most other forms of energy nuclear power does NOT ruin the environment unless something goes very wrong, the other forms do ruin everything in a slow process every day all day. At least wind and solar doesnt live waste behind that is radioactive for thousands of years like nuclear reactors and reenrichment does. Germany also doesnt have final waste sites since noone wants to deal with millenia long waste. A test mine had to be cleared out because the containers leaked. Guess who paid the bill? Like always it's the public because there is no way corps would shoulder the enormous risks that come with nuke power ever. Nor the cost of disposal.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Sept 10, 2019 18:23:40 GMT
At least wind and solar doesnt live waste behind that is radioactive for thousands of years like nuclear reactors and reenrichment does. Germany also doesnt have final waste sites since noone wants to deal with millenia long waste. A test mine had to be cleared out because the containers leaked. Guess who paid the bill? Like always it's the public because there is no way corps would shoulder the enormous risks that come with nuke power ever. Nor the cost of disposal. Solar power is utterly unfeasible and not an option. Nuclear waste sounds pretty bad at first (And only in worst case scenarios) but when you consider that further C02 emissions could and most likely will trigger accelerated global warming to a point where large portions of earth will turn into inhabitable deserts, its pretty much nothing. People 250 years from now will curse use to hell for having stuck with fossil energy when they have little to eat and they fight for what little farmland survived. That's gonna be worse than a thousand Chernobyls and a thousand leaky nuclear storage facilities, we're talking about a global catastrophe that wont get any better here.
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Post by Pounce de LeΓ³n on Sept 10, 2019 22:15:13 GMT
At least wind and solar doesnt live waste behind that is radioactive for thousands of years like nuclear reactors and reenrichment does. Germany also doesnt have final waste sites since noone wants to deal with millenia long waste. A test mine had to be cleared out because the containers leaked. Guess who paid the bill? Like always it's the public because there is no way corps would shoulder the enormous risks that come with nuke power ever. Nor the cost of disposal. Solar power is utterly unfeasible and not an option. Nuclear waste sounds pretty bad at first (And only in worst case scenarios) but when you consider that further C02 emissions could and most likely will trigger accelerated global warming to a point where large portions of earth will turn into inhabitable deserts, its pretty much nothing. People 250 years from now will curse use to hell for having stuck with fossil energy when they have little to eat and they fight for what little farmland survived. That's gonna be worse than a thousand Chernobyls and a thousand leaky nuclear storage facilities, we're talking about a global catastrophe that wont get any better here. Solar power is very feasible: clean, cheap, predictable, low risk, low resource dependent, low workforce and certainly doesn't leave nuclear waste for thousands of years behind. If you want even more feasible mount a wind turbine but that has overall higher requirements - still you dont need a legion of highly educated engineers to prevent it from blowing up and contaminating half a continent.
If you want to cull fertility rates - there are far cheaper, humane and efficient solutions.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Sept 10, 2019 22:23:48 GMT
Solar power is utterly unfeasible and not an option. Nuclear waste sounds pretty bad at first (And only in worst case scenarios) but when you consider that further C02 emissions could and most likely will trigger accelerated global warming to a point where large portions of earth will turn into inhabitable deserts, its pretty much nothing. People 250 years from now will curse use to hell for having stuck with fossil energy when they have little to eat and they fight for what little farmland survived. That's gonna be worse than a thousand Chernobyls and a thousand leaky nuclear storage facilities, we're talking about a global catastrophe that wont get any better here. Solar power is very feasible: clean, cheap, predictable, low risk, low resource dependent, low workforce and certainly doesn't leave nuclear waste for thousands of years behind. If you want even more feasible mount a wind turbine but that has overall higher requirements - still you dont need a legion of highly educated engineers to prevent it from blowing up and contaminating half a continent.
If you want to cull fertility rates - there are far cheaper, humane and efficient solutions.
Wind turbines and solar power panels (and mirror farms) are WAY too dependent on weather conditions (good luck trying to power Great Britain with it) and render a huge amount of space useless for anything else, these are not viable options. In fact, the only country that is using 100% green natural energy is Iceland, they have geothermal plants to power steam turbines, they use the heat underneath the surface of which there is plenty in that volcanic active part of the world. Ocean current driven turbines and geothermal power plants are the only green energy sources that are worth investigating for as an alternative or addition to nuclear power as they are completely independent of weather and create very large and steady amount of energy.
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Post by Vortex13 on Sept 10, 2019 22:26:34 GMT
Solar power is utterly unfeasible and not an option. Nuclear waste sounds pretty bad at first (And only in worst case scenarios) but when you consider that further C02 emissions could and most likely will trigger accelerated global warming to a point where large portions of earth will turn into inhabitable deserts, its pretty much nothing. People 250 years from now will curse use to hell for having stuck with fossil energy when they have little to eat and they fight for what little farmland survived. That's gonna be worse than a thousand Chernobyls and a thousand leaky nuclear storage facilities, we're talking about a global catastrophe that wont get any better here. Solar power is very feasible: clean, cheap, predictable, low risk, low resource dependent, low workforce and certainly doesn't leave nuclear waste for thousands of years behind. If you want even more feasible mount a wind turbine but that has overall higher requirements - still you dont need a legion of highly educated engineers to prevent it from blowing up and contaminating half a continent.
If you want to cull fertility rates - there are far cheaper, humane and efficient solutions.
Solar power isn't really that clean especially considering the 'temperamental' nature of it's energy generation; requiring clear line of sight to the sun and all. www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/05/23/if-solar-panels-are-so-clean-why-do-they-produce-so-much-toxic-waste/#7e95bb6a121c
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Post by Pounce de LeΓ³n on Sept 10, 2019 22:37:30 GMT
Solar power is very feasible: clean, cheap, predictable, low risk, low resource dependent, low workforce and certainly doesn't leave nuclear waste for thousands of years behind. If you want even more feasible mount a wind turbine but that has overall higher requirements - still you dont need a legion of highly educated engineers to prevent it from blowing up and contaminating half a continent.
If you want to cull fertility rates - there are far cheaper, humane and efficient solutions.
Solar power isn't really that clean especially considering the 'temperamental' nature of it's energy generation; requiring clear line of sight to the sun and all. www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/05/23/if-solar-panels-are-so-clean-why-do-they-produce-so-much-toxic-waste/#7e95bb6a121c That's why you dont install them in a forest. And pick a site with good solar radiation. Which is easy because the earth is mapped. I won't even argue about that stupid waste argument because it's you who wants to live next to nuclear waste depot.
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Post by mousestalker on Sept 10, 2019 22:46:53 GMT
Wind turbine power generation is for people who really hate birds. Solar power still is only really cost effective in outer space. Which raises the question of why we don't have beamed power yet? The technology is largely extant and it is both clean and relatively cheap (effectively free once built and installed).
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Sept 11, 2019 10:03:21 GMT
I won't even argue about that stupid waste argument because it's you who wants to live next to nuclear waste depot. Nobody likes living near any kind of waste depot, but I really would not mind it if I got a good deal. Heck, I'd prefer it over the average garbage dump because the latter is more of a health issue in terms of smell and pollution (rats). Nuclear waste is handled very well nowadays and very little is crated anymore, and even in case of ''spillage'' it is not really that dangerous. People dramatically overestimate the effects of radioactive waste - and radiation in general-, they think of freaking burning fuel rods getting dumped into river beds and people melting into mush instantly. That's not what is happening there. A lot of chemical factories and storage sites are far FAR more dangerous than any nuclear waste dump.
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Post by Pounce de LeΓ³n on Sept 11, 2019 10:04:55 GMT
I won't even argue about that stupid waste argument because it's you who wants to live next to nuclear waste depot. Nobody likes living near any kind of waste depot, but I really would not mind it if I got a good deal. Heck, I'd prefer it over the average garbage dump because the latter is more of a health issue in terms of smell and pollution (rats). Nuclear waste is handled very well nowadays and very little is crated anymore, and even in case of ''spillage'' it is not really that dangerous. People dramatically overestimate the effects of radioactive waste - and radiation in general-, they think of freaking burning fuel rods getting dumped into river beds and people melting into mush instantly. That's not what is happening there. A lot of chemical factories and storage sites are far FAR more dangerous than any nuclear waste dump. It's OK, I didn't realise it is a humouristic thread.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Sept 11, 2019 10:09:25 GMT
It's OK, I didn't realise it is a humouristic thread. Wow, someone here has discovered cynicism, that is amazing. I wonder, how effect is it in making facts go away? Wind turbine power generation is for people who really hate birds. Solar power still is only really cost effective in outer space. Which raises the question of why we don't have beamed power yet? The technology is largely extant and it is both clean and relatively cheap (effectively free once built and installed). Beamed power? How does that work?
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Post by mousestalker on Sept 11, 2019 10:14:20 GMT
It's OK, I didn't realise it is a humouristic thread. Wow, someone here has discovered cynicism, that is amazing. I wonder, how effect is it in making facts go away? Wind turbine power generation is for people who really hate birds. Solar power still is only really cost effective in outer space. Which raises the question of why we don't have beamed power yet? The technology is largely extant and it is both clean and relatively cheap (effectively free once built and installed). Beamed power? How does that work?
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Sept 11, 2019 10:23:33 GMT
Wow, someone here has discovered cynicism, that is amazing. I wonder, how effect is it in making facts go away? Beamed power? How does that work?
Ah, I've heard of that concept, I simply was not familiar with the term ''beamed power''. Yeah its an interesting idea, I'm amazed that the laser is that effective. I know that laser-based weapons systems to destroy incoming missiles have to be mounted on airplanes because the lasers effectiveness dramatically dwindles (Scatters) when it has to travel through longer distances of moist air. And those are huge lasers.
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Post by Vortex13 on Sept 11, 2019 11:44:44 GMT
Space-based solar power is the best use for this type of energy generation since it's constant and uninterrupted; unlike on Earth.
Honestly, I think the best use of such a system would be to convert Mercury into a partial or total dyson swarm around Sol and then take all that raw power and beam a hefty fraction of it back home. Though granted that is a very long term goal.
In terms of solar system development though, I still believe that nuclear powered ships are going to be the best suited for that role. Solar power is good while you are closer to the sun, but the farther away you get the less effective it becomes.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Sept 11, 2019 12:49:40 GMT
Wind turbine power generation is for people who really hate birds. And ocean turbines are also not cool for sea creatures...
Like it has been said, there is no ideal solution. Either we suffer or animals suffer. Or we both suffer. But there is no such thing as magical energy production that doesn't negatively impact something.
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Post by Vortex13 on Sept 11, 2019 13:30:12 GMT
Wind turbine power generation is for people who really hate birds. And ocean turbines are also not cool for sea creatures...
Like it has been said, there is no ideal solution. Either we suffer or animals suffer. Or we both suffer. But there is no such thing as magical energy production that doesn't negatively impact something.
Out of all current energy sources I still say that nuclear power is the cleanest and the most reliant when it comes to meeting the modern world's energy needs. Wind and Solar don't even come close to meeting the requirements for a city like New York, let alone the Eastern Sea Board, at least without dedicating massive swathes of the rest of the country to that endeavor. Fossil fuels and nuclear power are the only ones that can meet those needs, and out of the two fossil fuels have a direct impact on the environment in their day-to-day use. Nuclear power in comparison, when handled properly, has next to zero impact on the environment. Sure there's extra precautions to take into account, but that's really no reason to refuse to use it to humanity's advantage. There's an extra level of danger/precaution associated with flying a plane compared to driving a car as well, but we don't collectively forsake using airplanes because of the inherent risk there involved in them.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Sept 11, 2019 13:37:51 GMT
When nothing goes wrong nuclear power is like magic. Literally TONS of energy super clean from a relatively small powerplant. I think we should focus on nuclear energy and focus on making at safe as humanly possible, its the bets we can do with the current technology.
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