inherit
802
0
5,238
B. Hieronymus Da
Unapologetic Western Chauvinist. Barefoot. Great Toenails
3,602
August 2016
bevesthda
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
|
Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Jul 4, 2020 6:29:02 GMT
It's all in how you present things. In many ways DA2 was an impressive product. Particularly the speed of development and the relative polish. But key persons from DA:O had left, and the new team did "the game they wanted to do". If you do that, I'm sorry but you can't label it as something else, just because that something else sold well. The correct marketing approach would have been to say that: "No, we're not doing DA2 right now, maybe some other time. We're doing another game set in the DA universe. It's coming soon, smaller and we're trying new things, but it'll be fun." "Bigger than it ever was"? It's about the facts. Each Dragon Age title has sold millions of copies worldwide. It is arguably one of the most succesful fantasy franchises currently in the market and its massive success has only grown with each new entry. Thus, it's simply untrue to claim that anything "was done", specially since DA2 was a great game; you may argue it wasn't as good as DAO but it's disingenous to suggest it was bad or made with some malicious intent in mind. You want to talk criticisms ? I have all day buddy, but we have to talk truth with each other. Truth? The truth is there was a very strong negative reaction. And that strong negative reaction was not only obvious, entirely predictable, but also utterly inevitable. And that is why I'm saying they have a very crude and unsophisticated understanding about these things. What's your point, really? You want to say that the criticism should be blamed on the customers? Truth? As for sales, it's DA:O that has sold not only DA2 but also DA:I, regardless of those later games' merits. And finally, of course something was done to the franchise. DA2 is not a similar game to DA:O. Art style is completely changed, combat is completely changed, player agency is completely changed, dialogue is completely changed. It's a small, linear, Japanese inspired, console-, action romp. DA:O was something completely different. The scope, culture and gameplay were completely changed. The only thing DA:O and DA2 have in common are names, but used on different things. Naming different things Elf, Qunari or Dragon Age, doesn't make them the same, of the same franchise, or for the same audience.
|
|
Highwayman667
N3
"In uncertainty, find infinite possibility"
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
Posts: 522 Likes: 722
inherit
11507
0
Jun 22, 2021 18:16:33 GMT
722
Highwayman667
"In uncertainty, find infinite possibility"
522
May 10, 2020 13:11:01 GMT
May 2020
highwayman667
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
|
Post by Highwayman667 on Jul 4, 2020 15:59:08 GMT
Truth? The truth is there was a very strong negative reaction. And that strong negative reaction was not only obvious, entirely predictable, but also utterly inevitable. And that is why I'm saying they have a very crude and unsophisticated understanding about these things. What's your point, really? You want to say that the criticism should be blamed on the customers? Truth? As for sales, it's DA:O that has sold not only DA2 but also DA:I, regardless of those later games' merits. And finally, of course something was done to the franchise. DA2 is not a similar game to DA:O. Art style is completely changed, combat is completely changed, player agency is completely changed, dialogue is completely changed. It's a small, linear, Japanese inspired, console-, action romp. DA:O was something completely different. The scope, culture and gameplay were completely changed. The only thing DA:O and DA2 have in common are names, but used on different things. Naming different things Elf, Qunari or Dragon Age, doesn't make them the same, of the same franchise, or for the same audience. My point is the same one I told you before: people didn't just blame the publisher, they blamed the developers as well by claiming "they betrayed them", that "they destroyed Dragon Age", that "Dragon Age 2 was an insult of a game" and all sorts of other crap that were obviously not targeted at EA but towards the hard work of a dedicated team. "According to Electronic Arts' fiscal 2015 third quarter earnings report, Dragon Age: Inquisition is the most successful launch in BioWare history based on units sold", en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Age:_Inquisition#SalesAnd I liked Inquisition the least. It would be ludicrous of me however, to claim that the franchise isn't succesful. And like I said, it's perfectly fine if you dislike DA2. I can perfectly understand why... BUT PLEASE, make the effort to simply not insult the people involved in this game because it creates a completely poisonous environment to discuss games.
|
|
Beerfish
N7
Little Pumpkin
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: Beerfish
XBL Gamertag: Beerfish77
Posts: 15,015 Likes: 35,801
inherit
Little Pumpkin
314
0
35,801
Beerfish
15,015
August 2016
beerfish
https://bsn.boards.net/user/314/personal
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Beerfish
Beerfish77
|
Post by Beerfish on Jul 4, 2020 17:30:40 GMT
It's about the facts. Each Dragon Age title has sold millions of copies worldwide. It is arguably one of the most succesful fantasy franchises currently in the market and its massive success has only grown with each new entry. Thus, it's simply untrue to claim that anything "was done", specially since DA2 was a great game; you may argue it wasn't as good as DAO but it's disingenous to suggest it was bad or made with some malicious intent in mind. You want to talk criticisms ? I have all day buddy, but we have to talk truth with each other. Truth? The truth is there was a very strong negative reaction. And that strong negative reaction was not only obvious, entirely predictable, but also utterly inevitable. And that is why I'm saying they have a very crude and unsophisticated understanding about these things. What's your point, really? You want to say that the criticism should be blamed on the customers? Truth? As for sales, it's DA:O that has sold not only DA2 but also DA:I, regardless of those later games' merits. And finally, of course something was done to the franchise. DA2 is not a similar game to DA:O. Art style is completely changed, combat is completely changed, player agency is completely changed, dialogue is completely changed. It's a small, linear, Japanese inspired, console-, action romp. DA:O was something completely different. The scope, culture and gameplay were completely changed. The only thing DA:O and DA2 have in common are names, but used on different things. Naming different things Elf, Qunari or Dragon Age, doesn't make them the same, of the same franchise, or for the same audience.
"It's a small, linear, Japanese inspired, console-, action romp. DA:O was something completely different"
this comment is totally inaccurate imo.
The part about the games being totally different is quite accurate.
|
|
inherit
802
0
5,238
B. Hieronymus Da
Unapologetic Western Chauvinist. Barefoot. Great Toenails
3,602
August 2016
bevesthda
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
|
Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Jul 4, 2020 22:20:30 GMT
Truth? The truth is there was a very strong negative reaction. And that strong negative reaction was not only obvious, entirely predictable, but also utterly inevitable. And that is why I'm saying they have a very crude and unsophisticated understanding about these things. What's your point, really? You want to say that the criticism should be blamed on the customers? Truth? As for sales, it's DA:O that has sold not only DA2 but also DA:I, regardless of those later games' merits. And finally, of course something was done to the franchise. DA2 is not a similar game to DA:O. Art style is completely changed, combat is completely changed, player agency is completely changed, dialogue is completely changed. It's a small, linear, Japanese inspired, console-, action romp. DA:O was something completely different. The scope, culture and gameplay were completely changed. The only thing DA:O and DA2 have in common are names, but used on different things. Naming different things Elf, Qunari or Dragon Age, doesn't make them the same, of the same franchise, or for the same audience.
"It's a small, linear, Japanese inspired, console-, action romp. DA:O was something completely different"
this comment is totally inaccurate imo.
The part about the games being totally different is quite accurate.
Considering, and thinking back, remembering, I have to concede this somewhat. It's somewhat inaccurate. It wasn't linear. It was small in areas, but not in gameplay time.
|
|
inherit
802
0
5,238
B. Hieronymus Da
Unapologetic Western Chauvinist. Barefoot. Great Toenails
3,602
August 2016
bevesthda
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
|
Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Jul 4, 2020 22:40:14 GMT
Truth? The truth is there was a very strong negative reaction. And that strong negative reaction was not only obvious, entirely predictable, but also utterly inevitable. And that is why I'm saying they have a very crude and unsophisticated understanding about these things. What's your point, really? You want to say that the criticism should be blamed on the customers? Truth? As for sales, it's DA:O that has sold not only DA2 but also DA:I, regardless of those later games' merits. And finally, of course something was done to the franchise. DA2 is not a similar game to DA:O. Art style is completely changed, combat is completely changed, player agency is completely changed, dialogue is completely changed. It's a small, linear, Japanese inspired, console-, action romp. DA:O was something completely different. The scope, culture and gameplay were completely changed. The only thing DA:O and DA2 have in common are names, but used on different things. Naming different things Elf, Qunari or Dragon Age, doesn't make them the same, of the same franchise, or for the same audience. My point is the same one I told you before: people didn't just blame the publisher, they blamed the developers as well by claiming "they betrayed them", that "they destroyed Dragon Age", that "Dragon Age 2 was an insult of a game" and all sorts of other crap that were obviously not targeted at EA but towards the hard work of a dedicated team. "According to Electronic Arts' fiscal 2015 third quarter earnings report, Dragon Age: Inquisition is the most successful launch in BioWare history based on units sold", en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Age:_Inquisition#SalesAnd I liked Inquisition the least. It would be ludicrous of me however, to claim that the franchise isn't succesful. And like I said, it's perfectly fine if you dislike DA2. I can perfectly understand why... BUT PLEASE, make the effort to simply not insult the people involved in this game because it creates a completely poisonous environment to discuss games. Please reread my posts on this subject. I don't think I said a single time that I disliked DA2. I did dislike DA2 when it was released. But that was a long time ago. Even so, I distinctly remember myself as always defending Mike Laidlaw on the old forums. Because he did a very good job, if you consider the time and resources, and the attacks on him struck me as unfair. My point was the marketing decisions, and that involves calling the game "DA2". Those were really clueless. You can take any IP you own and make any kind of game you want. Fine, no problems. But if that game is marketed as something it's not, resulting in both failing expectations and at the same time signalling that the expected franchise is terminated, that's not going to go down well. As for DA:I, I liked most things about it, except the combat which was a tiring drudgery.
|
|
Highwayman667
N3
"In uncertainty, find infinite possibility"
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
Posts: 522 Likes: 722
inherit
11507
0
Jun 22, 2021 18:16:33 GMT
722
Highwayman667
"In uncertainty, find infinite possibility"
522
May 10, 2020 13:11:01 GMT
May 2020
highwayman667
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
|
Post by Highwayman667 on Jul 5, 2020 1:49:11 GMT
My point was the marketing decisions, and that involves calling the game "DA2". Those were really clueless. You can take any IP you own and make any kind of game you want. Fine, no problems. But if that game is marketed as something it's not, resulting in both failing expectations and at the same time signalling that the expected franchise is terminated, that's not going to go down well. I don't know dude... I sort of understand your point but could not possibly dissagree more with it. Dragon Age 2 is as much a Dragon Age game as both Origins and Inquisition. It is even better in a lot of respects, in terms of the scale of its story, the voice acting, the fluidity of combat. I mean, you want to tell me it's not as complex as Origins that's fine but... it's a Dragon Age game through and through.
|
|
inherit
975
0
Apr 13, 2024 10:00:53 GMT
1,677
cloud9
3,871
Aug 14, 2016 11:41:22 GMT
August 2016
cloud9
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2
sicklyhour015
|
Post by cloud9 on Jul 6, 2020 12:15:59 GMT
Dragon Ball Super anime needs to be rewritten because I don't like Goku as a immature, childish, and idiotic main protagonist. And the characters are just as annoying and the stories are just as bad.(Except Broly)
I don't like how the Saiyans were written in DBZ, because they're nothing but barbaric savages who preys on the weak. Instead of conquering advanced civilizations, powerful empires, and fight and kill enemies who are stronger than them. I mean, that's what Goku stood for is to fight people who are stronger than him to test his mettle.
[And Vegeta is an complete idiot that he didn't follow Nappa's advice to replenish their numbers, by mating with human women to create an army to conquer Freiza's Empire. He could've spared Earth to rest and repopulate his species, but he refuse because he's afraid of his offspring will be stronger than him. So much for being "the Prince of all Saiyans". He should be been rewritten and revamped. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/di3u7v/spoilers_unpopular_opinion_vegeta_nappa_and/
And what really bothers me for a very long time, ever since I started watching DBZ: I definitely hate that characters are talking and standing still, while gasping like idiots in a middle of a battle. And they don't help each other where they're in trouble with stronger opponents. They're just standing there and shouting, instead of helping each other. That really gets on my nerves.
|
|
inherit
Glorious Star Lord
822
0
Jan 24, 2024 17:47:40 GMT
16,819
KaiserShep
Party like it's 2023!
9,233
August 2016
kaisershep
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by KaiserShep on Jul 6, 2020 19:32:52 GMT
Well, DBZ kinda sucks.
|
|
inherit
Glorious Star Lord
822
0
Jan 24, 2024 17:47:40 GMT
16,819
KaiserShep
Party like it's 2023!
9,233
August 2016
kaisershep
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by KaiserShep on Jul 6, 2020 19:43:06 GMT
My point is the same one I told you before: people didn't just blame the publisher, they blamed the developers as well by claiming "they betrayed them", that "they destroyed Dragon Age", that "Dragon Age 2 was an insult of a game" and all sorts of other crap that were obviously not targeted at EA but towards the hard work of a dedicated team. "According to Electronic Arts' fiscal 2015 third quarter earnings report, Dragon Age: Inquisition is the most successful launch in BioWare history based on units sold", en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Age:_Inquisition#SalesAnd I liked Inquisition the least. It would be ludicrous of me however, to claim that the franchise isn't succesful. And like I said, it's perfectly fine if you dislike DA2. I can perfectly understand why... BUT PLEASE, make the effort to simply not insult the people involved in this game because it creates a completely poisonous environment to discuss games. Please reread my posts on this subject. I don't think I said a single time that I disliked DA2. I did dislike DA2 when it was released. But that was a long time ago. Even so, I distinctly remember myself as always defending Mike Laidlaw on the old forums. Because he did a very good job, if you consider the time and resources, and the attacks on him struck me as unfair. My point was the marketing decisions, and that involves calling the game "DA2". Those were really clueless. You can take any IP you own and make any kind of game you want. Fine, no problems. But if that game is marketed as something it's not, resulting in both failing expectations and at the same time signalling that the expected franchise is terminated, that's not going to go down well. As for DA:I, I liked most things about it, except the combat which was a tiring drudgery. While the 2 itself is admittedly uninspired, especially now that it’s sandwiched between Origins and Inquisition, “Dragon Age” is an absolute necessity to have in its title to keep the product true to its brand. It can be called The Hawke Chronicles, or Kirkwall, or whatever else, but it needs the DA part to establish firmly that it’s part of that universe, acknowledges events and even some decisions of the player from the previous game, and includes some preexisting characters that we’ve seen before. Calling it anything but Dragon Age would actually be a great deal worse. That it might disappoint some people because that title includes some expectations is better than people overlooking it because it may come off as a new IP no one knows about. In the end, people that do play it will just say “Wait, this is a fucking Dragon Age game”. And no one would be able to dispute it, since the game takes place roughly between 9.30 to 9.37 or so Dragon.
|
|
inherit
1040
0
3,228
Vortex13
2,202
Aug 17, 2016 14:31:53 GMT
August 2016
vortex13
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Jade Empire
|
Post by Vortex13 on Jul 7, 2020 13:39:37 GMT
I find it a tad ironic when a fictional setting, most often with science fiction though fantasy is also capable of this as well, makes a point about appealing to the diversities in the human (or human stand-in) but then will immediately be totally on board with systematically wiping out the 'other' elements.
Mass Effect is a perfect example. You have Shepard, and other notable NPCs, making quips about the destruction of the Rachni and/or Hanar; commonly called the 'scary space bugs' or the 'big stupid jellyfish' respectively but the narrative will go out of it's way to highlight a homosexual character in nothing but a positive way.
Not saying that focusing on a certain aspect of a person's skin color, sexual orientation, or gender is inherently wrong, just that it seems a bit hypocritical in settings and stories like these which pride themselves on being inclusive and understanding while at the same time being completely on board with singling out or killing off those things which are different than us. I mean, if the creators of these settings really want to be inclusive then shouldn't that include all the beings they populate said settings with?
|
|
inherit
Mr. Rump
46
0
8,983
Lavochkin
6,785
August 2016
lavochkin
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Lavochkin on Jul 8, 2020 3:17:23 GMT
I never got what the fuss was when i checked it out as a kid. It was very drawn out with filler.
|
|
inherit
1683
0
Apr 18, 2024 18:58:36 GMT
2,347
masseffectfanforlife
1,352
Sept 27, 2016 13:02:18 GMT
September 2016
masseffectfanforlife
Mass Effect Trilogy, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by masseffectfanforlife on Jul 11, 2020 4:15:37 GMT
I love Back To The Future Part III. Apparently that's an unpopular opinion. Once again I end up realizing that more people disliked a movie more than could possibly imagine. It's kind of annoying, really. This movie has one of my favorite filmed sequences.
|
|
inherit
2754
0
5,958
Son of Dorn
Fortifying everything.
6,270
Jan 11, 2017 14:17:27 GMT
January 2017
doomlolz
Dragon Age Inquisition
|
Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 11, 2020 4:19:48 GMT
I love Back To The Future Part III. Apparently that's an unpopular opinion. Once again I end up realizing that more people disliked a movie more than could possibly imagine. It's kind of annoying, really. This movie has one of my favorite filmed sequences. I didn't mind it when I was a kid. (Gee, now I feel old now, thanks for that....)
|
|
inherit
118
0
6,166
The Hype Himself
Proud Sponsor of Swingin' Seamen Charter Fishing: My Live Bait Will Catch Your Fish Every Time!
4,023
August 2016
hawkeyegod
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 11, 2020 5:22:57 GMT
|
|
inherit
118
0
6,166
The Hype Himself
Proud Sponsor of Swingin' Seamen Charter Fishing: My Live Bait Will Catch Your Fish Every Time!
4,023
August 2016
hawkeyegod
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 11, 2020 5:26:57 GMT
Dragon Ball Super anime needs to be rewritten because I don't like Goku as a immature, childish, and idiotic main protagonist. And the characters are just as annoying and the stories are just as bad.(Except Broly) I don't like how the Saiyan were written in DBZ, because they're nothing but barbaric savages who preys on the weak. Instead of conquering advanced civilizations, powerful empires, and fight and kill enemies who are stronger than them. I mean, that's what Goku stood for is to fight people who are stronger than him to test his mettle. [And Vegeta is an complete idiot that he didn't follow Nappa's advice to replenish their numbers, by mating with human women to create an army to conquer Freiza's Empire. He could've spared Earth to rest and repopulate his species, but he refuse because he's afraid of his offspring will be stronger than him. So much for being "the Prince of all Saiyans". He should be been rewritten and revamped. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/di3u7v/spoilers_unpopular_opinion_vegeta_nappa_and/ And what really bothers me for a very long time, ever since I started watching DBZ: I definitely hate that characters are talking and standing still, while gasping like idiots in a middle of a battle. And they don't help each other where they're in trouble with stronger opponents. They're just standing there and shouting, instead of helping each other. That really gets on my nerves. And I thought the fail from above was enough to go to war over. If I were a Saiyan, I'd choose you to be the first of my victims.
|
|
inherit
118
0
6,166
The Hype Himself
Proud Sponsor of Swingin' Seamen Charter Fishing: My Live Bait Will Catch Your Fish Every Time!
4,023
August 2016
hawkeyegod
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 11, 2020 5:31:52 GMT
Unpopular opinions a plenty:
In fiction, I pretty much support human ascendancy over just about anyone else (exceptions are Dragon Ball where I'd be all about Saiyan master race and Tolkien's fiction, where it's the only fiction where being an elf is awesome,) and I have to say that I really just don't have much sympathy or empathy for oppressed groups (for example, everywhere else, like Dragon Age, I see the Elves as dumbass complainers and really just want them to shut the hell up.)
Tattoos are generally a deal-breaker for dating, I don't date outside my race, and I believe in Hegemonic Stability Theory.
|
|
inherit
118
0
6,166
The Hype Himself
Proud Sponsor of Swingin' Seamen Charter Fishing: My Live Bait Will Catch Your Fish Every Time!
4,023
August 2016
hawkeyegod
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 11, 2020 9:52:59 GMT
Elves are arguably the worst part of Tolkien's fiction. I don't get human ascendancy either, in many settings they're just mediocre. And if not based off of merit, then what, in-group favoritism? If so, then what's the deal with not being able to empathize with oppressed groups? Also, DBZ is just cringe, pure and simple. Oh ho ho, we have a contrarian here. That's ok though, this is the internet, wrong people live here.
|
|
inherit
118
0
6,166
The Hype Himself
Proud Sponsor of Swingin' Seamen Charter Fishing: My Live Bait Will Catch Your Fish Every Time!
4,023
August 2016
hawkeyegod
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 12, 2020 11:42:20 GMT
Well, you can keep being curious. It's the opinion thread, not a debate. Wrong folks here (especially about DBZ being bad) need not be corrected, no matter how much they need it.
|
|
inherit
118
0
6,166
The Hype Himself
Proud Sponsor of Swingin' Seamen Charter Fishing: My Live Bait Will Catch Your Fish Every Time!
4,023
August 2016
hawkeyegod
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 12, 2020 23:04:41 GMT
Thanks I will!
|
|
inherit
1040
0
3,228
Vortex13
2,202
Aug 17, 2016 14:31:53 GMT
August 2016
vortex13
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Jade Empire
|
Post by Vortex13 on Jul 14, 2020 15:22:35 GMT
Elves are arguably the worst part of Tolkien's fiction. I don't get human ascendancy either, in many settings they're just mediocre. And if not based off of merit, then what, in-group favoritism? If so, then what's the deal with not being able to empathize with oppressed groups? I don't like human ascendancy in my fiction either, especially when it's settings where there are multiple other species and humans are just inexplicably the best at everything. Mass Effect is a perfect example of this but it's also present in Star Wars, Star Trek, & Halo to varying degrees; most of which have to do with some take on the 'human genetic purity' trope. It's even more ridiculous in most fantasy settings though as the only real reason given for why humans are so dominating in these fictional universes is due to their propensity to procreate. Even more than human ascendancy though I find that I don't really like it in settings when you have a quality or trait, innate in only select portions of the population, that automatically makes said being better or 'worth more' than the hundreds/thousands/millions/billions of non-gifted around them. The Harry Potter series and the magic/mundane divide, Star Wars and the whole Force thing, etc. I don't care for such constructs in that fiction because it tends to devalue the rest of the population in favor of the special chosen few. For instance, if I was a muggle in the Harry Potter universe, the innate rules of the setting frankly state that my life, my worth as a person is, in fact, less important than some wizard who just happened to be born with the 'magic gene'. That no matter how hard I study, train, or push myself, I can never ever be on the same level of even average wizards. And that if it came down to it, the expectations of the narrative would be that: if given the choice between saving my life, or even being given the freedom of choosing my own destiny, versus that of a magic-wielder then I should be sacrificed every single time. The implications behind such a disparity are unpleasant.
|
|
inherit
1683
0
Apr 18, 2024 18:58:36 GMT
2,347
masseffectfanforlife
1,352
Sept 27, 2016 13:02:18 GMT
September 2016
masseffectfanforlife
Mass Effect Trilogy, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by masseffectfanforlife on Jul 20, 2020 4:35:00 GMT
I haven't seen the whole film (like part 2) from beginning to end yet, but from what I've seen so far, I actually like The Godfather Part III.
|
|
inherit
802
0
5,238
B. Hieronymus Da
Unapologetic Western Chauvinist. Barefoot. Great Toenails
3,602
August 2016
bevesthda
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights
|
Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Jul 21, 2020 18:25:41 GMT
Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. Roy Den Hollander didn't kill himself.
|
|
ScumbagShepurd
N3
Shaking spear, trolling OP, burying Brad.
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Baldur's Gate, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 863 Likes: 1,112
inherit
493
0
1,112
ScumbagShepurd
Shaking spear, trolling OP, burying Brad.
863
August 2016
scumbagshepurd
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Baldur's Gate, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by ScumbagShepurd on Jul 22, 2020 17:08:13 GMT
I don't like human ascendancy in my fiction either, especially when it's settings where there are multiple other species and humans are just inexplicably the best at everything. Mass Effect is a perfect example of this but it's also present in Star Wars, Star Trek, & Halo to varying degrees; most of which have to do with some take on the 'human genetic purity' trope. It's even more ridiculous in most fantasy settings though as the only real reason given for why humans are so dominating in these fictional universes is due to their propensity to procreate. i suspect human dominance in SW was being dictated by the practical need. It's easier to just have 90% of the main cast as humans than to go to great lengths and make expensive and uncomfortable "alien" suits or make expensive special effects just for "aliens" etc. So the practical need makes you fill the world with humans and the lore follows the suit and explains why humans are the coolest. Mass Effect or other sci-fi or fantasy videogames, however, are inexcusable. It's a fucking glorified cartoon, you can draw anything you want there, why not have humans as merely one of the many races? Nope, meatbags first. in this regard, Stellaris is awesome, you can fly over to the Sol system and ascend humanity via orbital bombardment.
|
|
inherit
1040
0
3,228
Vortex13
2,202
Aug 17, 2016 14:31:53 GMT
August 2016
vortex13
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Jade Empire
|
Post by Vortex13 on Jul 23, 2020 1:21:50 GMT
I don't like human ascendancy in my fiction either, especially when it's settings where there are multiple other species and humans are just inexplicably the best at everything. Mass Effect is a perfect example of this but it's also present in Star Wars, Star Trek, & Halo to varying degrees; most of which have to do with some take on the 'human genetic purity' trope. It's even more ridiculous in most fantasy settings though as the only real reason given for why humans are so dominating in these fictional universes is due to their propensity to procreate. i suspect human dominance in SW was being dictated by the practical need. It's easier to just have 90% of the main cast as humans than to go to great lengths and make expensive and uncomfortable "alien" suits or make expensive special effects just for "aliens" etc. So the practical need makes you fill the world with humans and the lore follows the suit and explains why humans are the coolest. Mass Effect or other sci-fi or fantasy videogames, however, are inexcusable. It's a fucking glorified cartoon, you can draw anything you want there, why not have humans as merely one of the many races? Nope, meatbags first. in this regard, Stellaris is awesome, you can fly over to the Sol system and ascend humanity via orbital bombardment. I can understand the practical reasons why humans were common for films and shows like Star Wars & Star Trek, but what I don't like is how the lore attempts to justify it. It comes across as really reaching that in the span of an entire galaxy humans are more adaptable, more suited, or just flat out better than all the other space faring species combined. Agreed about Mass Effect, it makes no real sense how humanity is surpassing space faring societies that have been capable of interstellar travel for thousands of years longer than they have. It's especially annoying when the reason the lore gives for this inexplicable discrepancy is "genetic diversity". That, without even having to put any real effort into things, humans are just naturally better at [insert feat here] thanks to our god-genes. If that is a true fact of this fictional universe then I suppose eugenic programs and racial superiority groups like the KKK are not only valid but morally imperative. After all, why wouldn't one want the "master race" to be in charge if the science of genetics backs up those ideas? And Stellaris is indeed awesome, humanity is just another drop in the cosmic bucket. My machine empire doesn't even think twice about the beings of the Sol system as it fulfills it's mandate to construct galactic infrastructure for creators long gone. At least until they decide to threaten the works of the Planetary Categorization and Integration Network, then my implacable SEED A.I. will direct it's drones to eliminate the danger to inefficiency by any and all means at it's disposal.
|
|
inherit
Mr. Rump
46
0
8,983
Lavochkin
6,785
August 2016
lavochkin
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Lavochkin on Jul 23, 2020 7:41:47 GMT
If you want to play a sci-fi/reverse horror game as an actual alien(ie not a dude in a suit and/or makeup), there's this.
|
|