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Post by pianishimo on Jul 31, 2017 3:21:03 GMT
I absolutely love my Warden. She was a dalish elf and I personally think her background story (the one who starts the game) is the best arc possible, considering all the elves plot that happens because of Solas. She is my favorite Dragon Age hero and I have lots of non-canon stories written about her. But... I understand that is almost impossible for her to come back. A little cameo would be great, but we have some complications. All the wardens need to be voiced, all their background stories would matter, all their romances would matter, all their choices, all their finals... There are a lot of variables to be considered and thats a lot of work to do. Considering we're moving to Tevinter, a totally "new" place to explore as its own and all the 'destruction-of-the-world' plot going on, I think it'll be really hard to see our heroes back. Kinda sad, yes, but fully understandable. On other hand, I really want my Inquisitor to have some kind of appearance. The Inquisitors are the heads of the organization that's seeking for Solas. If our new protagonist is going to be someone from the Inquisition, someone from Tevinter, from the Qunari clans... I really think the Inquisitor would have an important role in the new plot. It doesn't need to be a huuuge appearance, but something would be acceptable And Hawke... I don't know. My Hawke stayed on the Fade, but I'm not convinced she died. I'm open to be surprised
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Post by naughtynomad on Jul 31, 2017 5:27:39 GMT
The main reason stated for them deciding to not let the HoF return is because many players chose the Noble Sacrifice ending for them, and if they could show up again, it would diminish that choice. But I completely disagree. If anything, it would make that choice even MORE meaningful. Their hero died, and that was the best ending for them.
I also think it diminishes the choice of players who chose to find a way for their HoF to survive. Many players played a lawful good Warden, but still did the Dark Ritual just to survive at the end. Many players, myself included, sacrificed their friendship with Alistair to pardon Loghain and let him kill the Archdemon for the Redeemer ending. Those were tough choices too. And BioWare diminishes our choice by refusing to bring him back...
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Post by apocalypticham on Jul 31, 2017 5:41:59 GMT
The playable protagonist of a game is just a tool for me to experience the imaginary world. Yes I do invest emotionally into the character, but sometimes other people seem to forget that this person is part of the story. It is NOT yourself. When the time comes, you gotta let it go and ride with it.
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Post by Fredward on Jul 31, 2017 6:20:11 GMT
I've never really felt any suuuper, I-wish-she-could-come-back attachment to my Warden. Even though her narrative is probably my favourite. It featured surviving against all odds, revengequest, politicking for personal gain, epic quest by someone not marked by destiny, ~romance~, queeniness and daaark and myyysterious choices with unknooown consequuuences.
As a whole I think I can take or leave reappearing protags. The way I imagine their stories is always in conjunction with what Bioware writes, not instead of, so if Bioware sets some stuff in stone I'll just rearrange the furniture so it flows again.
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Post by Gileadan on Jul 31, 2017 6:42:10 GMT
If anything, BioWare games have taught me to let go.
I have accepted the fact that they are not good at providing closure for protagonists or plot threads, and accept that as a very likely outcome whenever I start a new BioWare game.
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Post by Zemgus on Jul 31, 2017 6:46:02 GMT
I think the reason why people want the HoF to return is because Bioware keeps stringing those people along and then turns around and says, "They are not returning." If the Hero's story is in fact done, then why the hell is he/she on some random mission to cure the Blight. Their story does not sound done to me. I really do not care about the Hero not making a reappearance. But Bioware needs to get it together and understand what the word, "Done" means. Agreed. I don't mind small mentions here and there, but otherwise BW also should just let them be and not continue their story on their own.
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Post by naughtynomad on Jul 31, 2017 6:57:35 GMT
It's not an unnatural request. The series is all set in the same world, and each of our heroes make drastic, world-altering decisions. Even if the next game centers on a new hero, it's only natural to wonder what happened to the old one. And the HoF is the only hero that this hasn't been done for yet.
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Post by wright1978 on Jul 31, 2017 7:25:04 GMT
As much as i loved my HOF, think it is high time for him to face his/her calling.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 31, 2017 10:18:25 GMT
I had no real desire to see the Warden return. At the end of Awakening I accepted that was sort of the end to their story. However, I think that Bioware created this situation by things that were said from DAO onwards:
First there was the save game at the end of DAO where it specifically said the Wardens adventures were not yet done. True we had Awakening and Witch Hunt but that was only two adventures. I suppose you can also count Solder's Keep if you do that after the main game.
At the end of Awakening it mentions about the disappearance of the Warden but not in every scenario. Romancing Zevran you end up in Antiva either fighting each other or fighting the Crows (it is left ambiguous). Then Zevran turns up in DA2 with no Warden in tow. I never quite understood why they chased off to Antiva in the first place apart form the fact that Zevran had strangely decided to return there. So far as the Leliana romance was concerned I don't recall it said anything about them disappearing but correct me if I'm wrong.
At the end of DA2 Leliana's words definitely imply that the disappearance of the Warden is both suspicious and connected with that of Hawke. This is what leads me to think that originally the Warden was intended to make an appearance in DAI as Hawke's contact but this idea was subsequently shelved. Then in spite of her words at the end of DA2, it turns out that Leliana would seem to have known where the Warden was all the time.
As it was, the explanation for the Warden's absence really made no sense at all except to explain why there weren't there helping to deal with the Warden problem. If they were alive, they were in command of the Ferelden Wardens and running Vigil's Keep on behalf of the monarch. They would not just abandon these duties to go chasing off on some search for a cure for the Blight, which so far as they were concerned did not exist, so why was it suddenly to be found in some unknown location in the West? What particularly irritated me is that the codex letter between Clarel and Teagan, plus his words about the Wardens in Trespasser would make you think that the 5th Blight had never occurred let alone the events of Awakening. Even if the Warden did the Ultimate Sacrifice there was the Orlesian Commander who was there with the approval of the reigning monarch in Awakening, yet the way the plot played out you would think their efforts in Awakening were an entire failure. Did the Orlesian Warden also run off in search of a cure for the Blight?
Then having established this rather strange premise for why the Warden was not involved in the events of DAI and Clarel apparently in charge of both Orlesian and Ferelden Wardens, the story led nowhere. I think it was natural enough that people assumed it was going to be a plot thread in the future. Instead it was either left up in the air or, at the end of Trespasser, Leliana romancers alone got some sort of closure. Even so, it still left the question of "well did they find a cure or not?" Meanwhile for every other romance it was left somewhat vague exactly what the fate of the Warden would ultimately be.
So if they want to stop people speculating and asking for the Warden's return, they need to resolve their story once and for all. Something simple like "Despite their best efforts to find a cure for the taint, the Warden was unsuccessful and was last seen entering the Deep Roads to embark on their final battle with the Darkspawn. The dwarves erected a memorial to them at the spot."
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Post by naughtynomad on Jul 31, 2017 11:50:09 GMT
They can still answer the questions of what happened to the HoF through another letter, through dialog with returning characters who knew him, or through a codex history update. I hope they give some sort of closure, instead of just completely ignoring the fact that he existed.
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Post by Iddy on Jul 31, 2017 13:51:22 GMT
I already love you for not spelling it as "Hero of Fereldan".
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Post by apocalypticham on Jul 31, 2017 14:41:55 GMT
I already love you for not spelling it as "Hero of Fereldan". I've to constantly remind myself NO "A" IN FERELDEN AS A NOUN
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Post by fylimar on Jul 31, 2017 18:07:26 GMT
As for their personality, just give them a stern leader like attitude. The HoF saw a lot of shit after all. My shambling garbage fire of a HoF might have a problem with that. He didn't get to where he was through leadership abilities. He got there by stumbling dick-first into situations only marginally better than outright defeat. Also by striking ill-advised bargains with just about every evil on the continent. When the archemon landed, he had to send Oghren and Dog to defend the castle. He didn't even have enough people for two full parties. In my canon worldstate, anyone who thinks "ah, let's ring up the Hero of Ferelden, he can help fix this" is a moron. Those two statements sum perfectly up, why HoF shouldn't return. We all have our personal headcanon about our wardens and it can only be a dissapointment to see the HoF return and hear their voice. My wardens don't like to be stern leaders either - they are more in line with sarcastic Hawke and don't take much serious My headcanon is that my dwarf Taena is traveling with Zevran, they established a nice little crime syndicate on the side, using her carta knowledge and his knowledge of everything shady on the surface plus their contacts to Slim Couldry to relieve some snotty nobles from their fortunes and helping dusters, alienage elves and generally poor people with the money. My Dalish Indilwen is probably returning to her clan, once the Blight is over, taking Zevran (yes, again) with her. And my city elf Lia will probably become a bard with Lelianas help and contacts. She likes the shady side of life and killing is not a problem anymore (Vaughan made sure of that) My Cousland helps her brother to restore the castle and then travels around Thedas for a while And my circle mage would love to found a school for magic and teach there. I like those headcanons and don't want a new game to destroy that (I pretend that they are talking about another warden in DAI), so I'm pretty relieved that HoF won't be returing. I was ok with the short comeback of Hawke - I don't play blood mages, so I had no problem that Hawke was anti blood magic (they are in my games), but the discussion about that short comeback shows, how passionate people are about their characters and that the developers won't be able to make everyone happy.
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Post by naughtynomad on Aug 1, 2017 1:58:36 GMT
Hawke was just lazily done. It doesn't really show a problem with bringing them back, just shows you need to get it right. My sarcastic Rogue Hawke was spot on (if a little too serious). But my confrontational Blood Mage Hawke was hilarious when he kept complaining about blood magic. I mean he had the blood smear on his face while he was complaining.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 13:10:53 GMT
The main reason stated for them deciding to not let the HoF return is because many players chose the Noble Sacrifice ending for them, and if they could show up again, it would diminish that choice. But I completely disagree. If anything, it would make that choice even MORE meaningful. Their hero died, and that was the best ending for them. I also think it diminishes the choice of players who chose to find a way for their HoF to survive. Many players played a lawful good Warden, but still did the Dark Ritual just to survive at the end. Many players, myself included, sacrificed their friendship with Alistair to pardon Loghain and let him kill the Archdemon for the Redeemer ending. Those were tough choices too. And BioWare diminishes our choice by refusing to bring him back... "many players decided to do the noble sacrifice." i read that a lot for a excuse, let's be honest, it's just utterly laziness that's all, and that is very simple, you did the sacrifice, so with what character you played in awakening? ah yes, a warden from orlais that was promoted to warden commander of ferelden as a replacer character. They decision of sacrifice was already important and stated in the expansion with that, so honestly, that main reason it's as stupid as it gets. another problem is that, playing with people heart/mind with so many references and mentions that aren't necessary, if story has ended, there is no need for that, and if really is needed, don't play around with it, now the HoF this now the HoF that, bla bla bla, make a clear and ferm clarification and move on, don't feed it more. le'ts be clear tho, i'm not upset for what they decided, i'm upset because how they did it and handle it, because has been did horrible, and all this mess it's on they own, for do this things terribly bad.
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Post by wickedcool on Aug 1, 2017 13:50:22 GMT
I would love them to explain why hero is mentioned so much in dai
Was Leilani expecting him/her on the sword coast mission
Seems 1/2 the realm went looking for him/her and u would assume that somehow this also means the possible alternative awakening warden
The wrote dialogue in for leliana, morrigan, Cassandra and others such as warden allistair. Would love to know who scripted this in and their thoughts on future mentions. It feels like the chasing of the taint cure has a role somewhere down the line
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 2, 2017 15:52:45 GMT
Thinking the taint cure could be important later is part of the problem when it comes to expectations of the reappearance of the Warden. Putting that in as the reason they did not make an appearance in DAI started speculation that it would be a future plotline, when the reality is it was probably simply an excuse for why the Warden was absent from events.
There have been hints at a possible cure/life extending magic that could be employed. There was Avernus' research for one thing. If the letter had said "following up on leads given to me by Avernus", the Warden chasing off into the West might have made more sense. There is also the fact that Fiona was cured of the taint and she says this is why the other Wardens made her feel unwelcome. Whereas in Asunder she says she deliberately left the Wardens to push for mage freedom. I must admit I find it hard to believe the Grey Warden leadership would be so uninterested in a possible cure for the taint because whilst it is necessary to be tainted to kill archdemons, a cure for the taint could lead to a cure for the Blight, which would be in everyone's interest. Anyway, since it was known to the other Wardens in the south that Fiona had been "cured" of the taint, you would think that the first port of call for the HoF would be to interview her before heading off into the unknown. Mind you it seemed ironic that Alexius was so desperate to find a cure for Felix and yet let Fiona be infected with red lyrium, so clearly he wasn't aware of her "cure" either.
One of the interviews with the writers suggested that originally Into The Abyss was going to plunge us not into the Fade but the Deep Roads and involve a confrontation with the Architect, so it is likely that this was another plot thread that was planned and may have involved finding the cure for the Taint (because it was an item given to Fiona by the Architect that cured her), but it was one of those ideas that was later abandoned and likely the "cure for the taint" plot went with it.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 20, 2017 14:01:28 GMT
The Warden's story ended for me. Yeah I know he went off to figure out how to end the calling but his main story ended. His job was to end the blight and rebuild the wardens in fereldan. He did that. Since then we have had two new protagonists. This is why I am glad bioware lopped off the inquisitor's hand. So people get the point. One protagonist per game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 16:48:27 GMT
I like the idea of switching the protagonist, tbh, and am fine with leaving even Hawke behind. What bothers me more actually, is that we drop the protagonist, but keep the NPCs. That does bug me.
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 21, 2017 1:33:48 GMT
At the very least, wanting to play the Inquisitor again has the possibly of an arm-mounted crossbow, which might make for some interesting gameplay features. The Warden is an utter blank slate.
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Post by bogusjuan on Aug 21, 2017 4:08:39 GMT
A spin off game done in style of classic bioware featuring the return of our still silent protagonist would be great. With as successful as cRPG's have been with games like pillars of eternity and even remasters of bioware's own baldur's gate series there is definitely a market for such a thing.
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Post by Theni on Aug 21, 2017 10:12:22 GMT
What they should do was to let us take one of the many screenshots that was created in game in DAO and use it as a painting of the warden in the next protagonist's stronghold.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 21, 2017 16:51:39 GMT
At the very least, wanting to play the Inquisitor again has the possibly of an arm-mounted crossbow, which might make for some interesting gameplay features. The Warden is an utter blank slate. I want to play as a 2 h warrior that lops off enemy heads with my claymore or bash their skull in with my maul. I don't want to be firing no damn cross bow. Also bioware needs to bring back decapitations.
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Post by naughtynomad on Aug 21, 2017 16:56:32 GMT
Yeah both my canon Inquisitors are mages. A crossbow hand doesnt really fit. And you definitely seem to need hands to cast spells in the DA universe, so he's already at half firepower.
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