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Post by naughtynomad on Aug 2, 2017 5:44:18 GMT
The Inquisitor is done... seems like he's the new "Warden" people need to get over.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Aug 2, 2017 6:43:00 GMT
Whilst I would happily play a warden again in a future dragon age game (there are still 2 archdemons and the mystery of the blight origin to explore after all), I don't think its the right fit for dragon age 4. It looks like that games going to be Tevinter based, fighting solas with the qunari/tevinter war as a backdrop at the very least. So I think a new tevinter native pc getting pulled into these events feels more apropos then the grey wardens getting involved.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 2, 2017 21:14:18 GMT
I'm not sure if it'd fit the next game, but maybe the one after that? The one that in my head canon is totally going to be set in the Anderfels and have Griffons in it? I do think the Warden order is actually rather under-explored in some ways, at least in the games. Despite being a Warden, the Hero of Fereldan barely had any interactions with the order, or people who had been Wardens for more than a few months. And Anders didn't spend all that much time before ditching the order, and of course Blackwall... Also, I would like to have a game where the Wardens were actually vaguely competent for once. They're turning into a bit of a joke, really. This is largely my issue with the Grey Wardens in Dragon Age. We really haven't seen the order in action. We've either only seen it through the eyes of newcomers, quitters, imposters, or the fact that the organization had been infiltrated and corrupted from the inside. We've never really seen the Grey Wardens that history always speaks of. I'd like to actually see that order, because it's mind boggling how little we actually know about it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 2, 2017 21:27:14 GMT
I've said no but if it was really relevant to the story I might change my mind. The thing is would your PC voluntarily drink down that appalling concoction if someone wasn't standing over you with a sword and when the world wasn't in imminent danger of the Blight? That is the bit that has never made sense to me. Why bother inflicting the taint on people, with the potential wastage we have witnessed previously, if there is no actual archdemon to kill? So you can sense darkspawn, well they can also sense you, so that nullifies your advantage in that direction. If a person does get infected through fighting darkspawn, then use the Joining as a last ditch way of saving their life but otherwise keep them fit and healthy for as long as possible. Of course that would mean you weren't a real Grey Warden, just a pending Grey Warden, in other words you are in the order and wear the uniform but that would be the only real difference from any other military order. Still in terms of vigilance against the dark forces beneath the earth, may be that is all you need.
Strangely enough that seemed to be the line they were taking at Warden HQ in the Last Flight. They seemed to have picked up on the fact that with ancient darkspawn Magisters running around who can potentially control anyone with the Taint, may be automatically putting recruits through the Joining isn't such a good idea.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 2, 2017 21:36:07 GMT
I've said no but if it was really relevant to the story I might change my mind. The thing is would your PC voluntarily drink down that appalling concoction if someone wasn't standing over you with a sword and when the world wasn't in imminent danger of the Blight? That is the bit that has never made sense to me. Why bother inflicting the taint on people, with the potential wastage we have witnessed previously, if there is no actual archdemon to kill? So you can sense darkspawn, well they can also sense you, so that nullifies your advantage in that direction. If a person does get infected through fighting darkspawn, then use the Joining as a last ditch way of saving their life but otherwise keep them fit and healthy for as long as possible. Of course that would mean you weren't a real Grey Warden, just a pending Grey Warden, in other words you are in the order and wear the uniform but that would be the only real difference from any other military order. Still in terms of vigilance against the dark forces beneath the earth, may be that is all you need.
Strangely enough that seemed to be the line they were taking at Warden HQ in the Last Flight. They seemed to have picked up on the fact that with ancient darkspawn Magisters running around who can potentially control anyone with the Taint, may be automatically putting recruits through the Joining isn't such a good idea. I'll add one thing that might validate going through The Joining. This is entirely dependent on your choices throughout the three games, but if your HoF survives, he/she can find a cure for The Calling. In the epilogue for Trespasser, my male HoF found a cure and lived happily ever after with Leliana, who had become the Divine. This may never be more than a mere footnote, but finding a cure for The Calling would be a massive game changer for the Grey Wardens. If it was something easily accomplished, a lot of the drawbacks could be averted. Of course, there's still the risk of even surviving The Joining in the first place.
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Post by tacsear on Aug 2, 2017 23:44:26 GMT
It would be really good to play as a Warden during the Warden civil war hinted at the end of Trespasser and deal with The Architect and his talking darkspawn(these 2 are probably connected). But not in DA4 it is another story.
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Post by cmoe on Aug 3, 2017 0:47:13 GMT
It would be really good to play as a Warden during the Warden civil war hinted at the end of Trespasser and deal with The Architect and his talking darkspawn(these 2 are probably connected). But not in DA4 it is another story. I think that would be a very interesting story and I hope it comes into play at some point. I'm actually surprised I wouldn't mind being a warden again.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 3, 2017 0:50:03 GMT
I want to be a human peasant who rises to be a hero.
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Post by Jarovbees on Aug 3, 2017 0:50:56 GMT
Been there, done that. I like the Grey Wardens and will be interested in seeing what's up with Weisshaupt and the civil war there and whatnot. But the game's focus is definitely going to be on Tevinter and I'm more eager to play an origin we haven't had access to before instead. (Altus or liberati, bring it on!)
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Aug 3, 2017 16:44:00 GMT
I'd be happy to play as a Grey Warden if BioWare would properly implement the lore. The same goes for playing a Templar with a lyrium dependency. Or a Mage.
The lore has a ton of cool stuff in it that never makes it into the game mechanics. If they fix that, I'll play as basically anything.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 3, 2017 18:44:16 GMT
I'd be happy to play as a Grey Warden if BioWare would properly implement the lore. The same goes for playing a Templar with a lyrium dependency. Or a Mage. The lore has a ton of cool stuff in it that never makes it into the game mechanics. If they fix that, I'll play as basically anything. I agree, in particular with the proper implementation of the Grey Warden lore. A lot of folks keep on saying "been there, done that," but we've never really played as an actual Grey Warden. In Origins, we were Grey Wardens in name only, as Duncan was dead and Alistair had no experience. In Awakening, the Order is still in disrepair and we are trying to rebuild it. From the perspective of companions or secondary characters, we either have former Grey Wardens who deserted, are imposters, or show the Order has been corrupted by Corypheus. We've never had a legitimate Grey Warden experience, and there's a lot BioWare could draw from regarding the lore. It's something that I hope BioWare will approach at some point. I also think many are quick to assume that an Archdemon will not be involved in DA4. We don't know anything about the story, other than Trespasser teased that Tevinter would be the next location and that Solas is likely the antagonist. It would actually make a lot of sense, from my perspective, if an Archdemon was involved, considering Ancient Tevinter worshiped the Old Gods. I wouldn't be surprised if Solas ends up being a minor villain with the true threat being something entirely different. It certainly wouldn't be the first Dragon Age game to have more than one villain. In fact, every Dragon Age has had two major antagonists.
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Post by naughtynomad on Aug 4, 2017 1:29:07 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if Solas ends up being a minor villain with the true threat being something entirely different. It certainly wouldn't be the first Dragon Age game to have more than one villain. In fact, every Dragon Age has had two major antagonists. I see 2 likely scenarios which DA4 could take. Either we're in Tevinter for most of the game dealing with the Tevinter/Qunari conflict and hearing rumors of Solas' rebellion but not having it really effect us until Act 3 where we find out he has been pulling the strings all along... Or we spend most of the game chasing Solas and his agents around, only to have to team up with him in the end to defeat the final boss he's been working against.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 4, 2017 5:12:26 GMT
I see 2 likely scenarios which DA4 could take. Either we're in Tevinter for most of the game dealing with the Tevinter/Qunari conflict and hearing rumors of Solas' rebellion but not having it really effect us until Act 3 where we find out he has been pulling the strings all along... Or we spend most of the game chasing Solas and his agents around, only to have to team up with him in the end to defeat the final boss he's been working against. Truth be told, I'm of the opinion your second scenario is more likely to happen. If anything, I see the war between Tevinter and the Qunari being the backdrop to the main story. I believe Solas will be the primary focus, but as is typical in Dragon Age fashion, he won't be the main villain at the end of the game. We don't even know if DA4 will solely take place in Tevinter. DAI took place in Orlais as well as Ferelden. It's quite possible we may move around.
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Post by XJlock on Aug 4, 2017 5:32:56 GMT
If necessary, however I would prefer something new.
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 4, 2017 6:10:19 GMT
I want to be a human peasant who rises to be a hero. Such an original idea.... Unlike DAI and DA2, I want a game that doesnt focus too much on the human aspect of things. This is why DAO is my favorite DA game.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 4, 2017 6:11:59 GMT
I want to be a human peasant who rises to be a hero. Such an original idea.... So what? I like playing with that background. Got a problem with that?
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 4, 2017 6:29:59 GMT
Such an original idea.... So what? I like playing with that background. Got a problem with that? No
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Aug 4, 2017 10:10:20 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if Solas ends up being a minor villain with the true threat being something entirely different. It certainly wouldn't be the first Dragon Age game to have more than one villain. In fact, every Dragon Age has had two major antagonists. I see 2 likely scenarios which DA4 could take. Either we're in Tevinter for most of the game dealing with the Tevinter/Qunari conflict and hearing rumors of Solas' rebellion but not having it really effect us until Act 3 where we find out he has been pulling the strings all along... Or we spend most of the game chasing Solas and his agents around, only to have to team up with him in the end to defeat the final boss he's been working against. How about we either team up with Tevinter to defeat Solas or we team up with Solas to defeat Tevinter?
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Aug 4, 2017 10:13:07 GMT
I want to be a human peasant who rises to be a hero. Such an original idea.... Unlike DAI and DA2, I want a game that doesnt focus too much on the human aspect of things. This is why DAO is my favorite DA game. If they force a race on us, I would like that race to be Dwarf. Particularly if we're amidst the Tevinter-Qunari war. That would offer an interesting perspective on a war over, at least partly, what to do with mages.
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 4, 2017 10:30:11 GMT
I wouldn't be opposed to playing a Warden again, assuming we'd get to be the original badasses from the Anderfels and not the Orlesian clown brigade. One of the tragedies of BioWare games is that they introduce interesting factions in one game and toss them the idiot ball in the next, causing me to lose interest in them. After Inquisition, the Wardens could use some positive spotlight to recover from that OOC blow to their reputation.
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Post by tacsear on Aug 4, 2017 10:34:02 GMT
I want to be a human peasant who rises to be a hero. Such an original idea.... Unlike DAI and DA2, I want a game that doesnt focus too much on the human aspect of things. This is why DAO is my favorite DA game. Humans are by far the most diversed and interesting race in the game.
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Post by CrazyRah on Aug 4, 2017 11:09:08 GMT
No, that was awesome for DAO and should also only happen there. The world of DA got far too many other interesting options for me to even remotly want to tread the same ground as before
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Post by Iddy on Aug 4, 2017 13:56:36 GMT
Considering that lead writer Patrick Weekes has decided that the Grey Wardens' method of ending Blights is "stupid", we probably won't play as a Grey Warden when another Blight arises. The story will focus on finding a new way to do it.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 4, 2017 15:21:58 GMT
I'd say no because the wardens are really only specific to the blight. They were only involved in the inquisition because of a ruse to end all blights permanently, nothing to do with demons and such. There's also the fact that "if" they go the warden route I'd want to replay my origins warden and see how they developed him/her over the period that we haven't played them, it'd be kind of weird if they're voiced now though. I really only see a warden protagonist getting involved again is if a blight is going to occur, that's really their only purpose and why they go dark in between blights.
I'd rather they give me my hand back so I can kick solas's arse. The inquisitior (to me) HAS to be the first DA protagonist to come back for consecutive games. The inquisition can still play a role vs Silas and his plans and with my ending they're established to rebuild the world back into peace.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 4, 2017 20:34:34 GMT
Considering that lead writer Patrick Weekes has decided that the Grey Wardens' method of ending Blights is "stupid", we probably won't play as a Grey Warden when another Blight arises. The story will focus on finding a new way to do it. If this is true, then I see the quality of Dragon Age collapsing considerably under Weekes' leadership. That's not to say that Gaider was perfect, but at least he was consistent and respected what was established. The last thing any competent writer should do, when it comes to a large franchise, is start undermining what came before because of personal opinions. I'd say no because the wardens are really only specific to the blight. They were only involved in the inquisition because of a ruse to end all blights permanently, nothing to do with demons and such. There's also the fact that "if" they go the warden route I'd want to replay my origins warden and see how they developed him/her over the period that we haven't played them, it'd be kind of weird if they're voiced now though. I really only see a warden protagonist getting involved again is if a blight is going to occur, that's really their only purpose and why they go dark in between blights. I'd rather they give me my hand back so I can kick solas's arse. The inquisitior (to me) HAS to be the first DA protagonist to come back for consecutive games. The inquisition can still play a role vs Silas and his plans and with my ending they're established to rebuild the world back into peace. The truth of the matter is we really know next to nothing about the Grey Wardens or the Blight. It's something that needs to be further explored. As far as the Hero of Ferelden, he's/she's never going to return for the simple fact that half the player base sacrificed him/her in DAO. Also, it's a Dragon Age tradition to never keep the same protagonist for more than one game. DA4 is unlikely to break that cycle. The Inquisitor is now an invalid. Other than being a secondary character or having a cameo, I don't see him/her playing a major role in the story.
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