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Post by shechinah on Aug 4, 2017 22:39:59 GMT
Considering that lead writer Patrick Weekes has decided that the Grey Wardens' method of ending Blights is "stupid", we probably won't play as a Grey Warden when another Blight arises. The story will focus on finding a new way to do it. When did he do that? Are you referring to the comment made by Solas? Because if so then it's important to remember that the opinion of a character does not necessarily equal the opinion of said character's writer.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 5, 2017 1:18:31 GMT
A Warden? Maybe. Depends on the story being told.
THE Warden? No.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 5, 2017 1:21:08 GMT
A Warden? Maybe. Depends on the story being told. THE Warden? No. If you mean the "Hero of Ferelden," then that's not what the OP is asking. I want a legitimate story that chronicles what it's like to actually be a Grey Warden, with a new protagonist. The HoF is dead for a lot of players, considering they killed him/her off in DAO. DA never has recurring protagonists anyway.
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Post by House Targaryen on Aug 5, 2017 3:57:58 GMT
The return of HoF. We can play as HoF.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 5, 2017 18:44:48 GMT
Considering that lead writer Patrick Weekes has decided that the Grey Wardens' method of ending Blights is "stupid", we probably won't play as a Grey Warden when another Blight arises. The story will focus on finding a new way to do it. When did he do that? Are you referring to the comment made by Solas? Because if so then it's important to remember that the opinion of a character does not necessarily equal the opinion of said character's writer. Oh, please. Writers self-insert as much as the players do. If you've ever seen David Gaider's comments anywhere, you know that guy is Morrigan through and through.
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Post by shechinah on Aug 5, 2017 19:08:21 GMT
Oh, please. Writers self-insert as much as the players do. If you've ever seen David Gaider's comments anywhere, you know that guy is Morrigan through and through. Some do but not all: note I said "not necessarily". Regardless, attributing Solas' opinion about the Grey Wardens' methods to Patrick Weekes is misrepresentation unless the latter actually has said something to that effect.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 19:12:59 GMT
No, not really. Also, would prefer no Warden companions to go over the lore all over again....
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 5, 2017 20:24:36 GMT
Oh, please. Writers self-insert as much as the players do. If you've ever seen David Gaider's comments anywhere, you know that guy is Morrigan through and through. Some do but not all: note I said "not necessarily". Regardless, attributing Solas' opinion about the Grey Wardens' methods to Patrick Weekes is misrepresentation unless the latter actually has said something to that effect. Agreed. Iddy merely seems to be projecting his own wishful thinking on what he likely hopes happens with the Grey Wardens. There's no evidence at all to suggest Weekes is just going to throw the Order and the Blight under the bus because of Solas' opinion on the matter. Solas' opinion on most of Thedas, in general, is incredibly unorthodox and can't be taken too seriously.
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Post by Saboru on Aug 5, 2017 23:31:23 GMT
Not much point to revisiting wardens without blights, and I'd not expect to see blights return in a big way until we get to end them permanently. Now by the end of inquisition we were treading in the right mythological territory to do that, so it's a possibility. But even then blights seem to be a side effect of something nasty rather than the nasty thing itself, and when that plot comes round it'll be dealing with the root cause not the symptom. My money, when/if we address this in a game then you'll see plenty of wardens then, but I wouldn't bet on them as protagonists.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Aug 6, 2017 0:10:23 GMT
It depends. If it is something like the brief segment in DAO where we take control of the companion posted to defend the city gate that added / further enhanced the story, I'm all of it. It can even be a cameo by a surviving HOF.
If they're a major slice of the Veil / Fade / Old Gods / Blight tapestry, um, ok. Otherwise, no.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 6, 2017 1:18:50 GMT
Not much point to revisiting wardens without blights, and I'd not expect to see blights return in a big way until we get to end them permanently. Now by the end of inquisition we were treading in the right mythological territory to do that, so it's a possibility. But even then blights seem to be a side effect of something nasty rather than the nasty thing itself, and when that plot comes round it'll be dealing with the root cause not the symptom. My money, when/if we address this in a game then you'll see plenty of wardens then, but I wouldn't bet on them as protagonists. Well, as you, yourself, indicated, we don't actually understand what the Blight is. Thus, I think it's a little too early to assume that Grey Wardens won't be involved just because a Blight isn't happening (this assumes there is no Blight in DA4). We barely know anything about the Grey Wardens as far as the games are concerned. Not to mention, I also think it's very likely we'd play as a Grey Warden again. The reason I say this is because we've never truly been an actual Grey Warden. The Order, for the most part, is a mystery to us. We've gone from being a Grey Warden in name only, to a peasant that became a champion, and then a nobody who became the Inquisitor. I can't see BioWare constantly creating something out of thin air every single time, not to mention I don't see why they'd need to. With so much of the lore still in flux and needing explanation, better to focus on what has already been established in my eyes. I'd rather the next protagonist be associated with something that at least has been mentioned at some point in previous games.
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Post by Saboru on Aug 6, 2017 1:46:40 GMT
Well, as you, yourself, indicated, we don't actually understand what the Blight is. Thus, I think it's a little too early to assume that Grey Wardens won't be involved just because a Blight isn't happening (this assumes there is no Blight in DA4). We barely know anything about the Grey Wardens as far as the games are concerned. Not to mention, I also think it's very likely we'd play as a Grey Warden again. The reason I say this is because we've never truly been an actual Grey Warden. The Order, for the most part, is a mystery to us. We've gone from being a Grey Warden in name only, to a peasant that became a champion, and then a nobody who became the Inquisitor. I can't see BioWare constantly creating something out of thin air every single time, not to mention I don't see why they'd need to. With so much of the lore still in flux and needing explanation, better to focus on what has already been established in my eyes. I'd rather the next protagonist be associated with something that at least has been mentioned at some point in previous games. I'm don't buy the GW story is for the next game, I think that's further down the road, and that's when you want a GW protogonist. No point giving them mission creep and shoehorning them into inappropriate stories. Wild arsed speculation time. Next game, amidst whatever that plot holds, we uncover a whole shedload of ancient history and manoeuvre into position to wrap up the GW story in the game after. That would be the time to do an in depth on their history and organisation, when it matters. That's what I'd like to see. Give them a proper, rousing send off, not use them just because they're there.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 6, 2017 4:24:53 GMT
I'm don't buy the GW story is for the next game, I think that's further down the road, and that's when you want a GW protogonist. No point giving them mission creep and shoehorning them into inappropriate stories. Wild arsed speculation time. Next game, amidst whatever that plot holds, we uncover a whole shedload of ancient history and manoeuvre into position to wrap up the GW story in the game after. That would be the time to do an in depth on their history and organisation, when it matters. That's what I'd like to see. Give them a proper, rousing send off, not use them just because they're there. I'm not suggesting DA4 will be about the Grey Wardens. Then again, I'm also not suggesting it won't be. Nobody knows the story, so it's silly to conclude one way or the other at this point. For all we know, the Blight, Tevinter, and Solas could all be connected far more than we realize. Who's to say? What I can say is that we are going to play as a new protagonist. I'm skeptical that it's going to be another peasant that becomes a hero, as that's arguably been the basic origin for every DA protagonist so far. Knowing BioWare, they may try and throw us a curve ball and do a more unorthodox kind of origin.
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Post by naughtynomad on Aug 6, 2017 6:08:09 GMT
I'm don't buy the GW story is for the next game, I think that's further down the road, and that's when you want a GW protogonist. No point giving them mission creep and shoehorning them into inappropriate stories. Wild arsed speculation time. Next game, amidst whatever that plot holds, we uncover a whole shedload of ancient history and manoeuvre into position to wrap up the GW story in the game after. That would be the time to do an in depth on their history and organisation, when it matters. That's what I'd like to see. Give them a proper, rousing send off, not use them just because they're there. I'm not suggesting DA4 will be about the Grey Wardens. Then again, I'm also not suggesting it won't be. Nobody knows the story, so it's silly to conclude one way or the other at this point. For all we know, the Blight, Tevinter, and Solas could all be connected far more than we realize. Who's to say? What I can say is that we are going to play as a new protagonist. I'm skeptical that it's going to be another peasant that becomes a hero, as that's arguably been the basic origin for every DA protagonist so far. Knowing BioWare, they may try and throw us a curve ball and do a more unorthodox kind of origin. I just played through Here Lies the Abyss again last night, and it is striking how much Solas hates the Wardens. He disapproves of trying to save any of them. Disapproves of using their history to convince them to fight against the mind controlled ones. And definitely disapproves of having them join the Inquisition. His limited explanation as to why doesnt sense. There is something more about the old gods he's not saying.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 6, 2017 7:20:35 GMT
I just played through Here Lies the Abyss again last night, and it is striking how much Solas hates the Wardens. He disapproves of trying to save any of them. Disapproves of using their history to convince them to fight against the mind controlled ones. And definitely disapproves of having them join the Inquisition. His limited explanation as to why doesnt sense. There is something more about the old gods he's not saying. Indeed. It's why I believe the Grey Wardens are far more important than many are giving them credit. There is something Solas knows that he hasn't revealed. I'm under the impression that Solas may secretly fear the Grey Wardens. His animosity towards them really doesn't add up. Whether it's explained in DA4 is an entirely different question, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Grey Wardens do play a role.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 6, 2017 12:41:29 GMT
Oh, please. Writers self-insert as much as the players do. If you've ever seen David Gaider's comments anywhere, you know that guy is Morrigan through and through. Some do but not all: note I said "not necessarily". Regardless, attributing Solas' opinion about the Grey Wardens' methods to Patrick Weekes is misrepresentation unless the latter actually has said something to that effect. The Masked Empire was written by PW and the whole thing shits on the Dalish just like Solas himself does. This is a writer who stays consistent in his beliefs regardless of what fictional mouthpiece he may be using at the time.
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Post by naughtynomad on Aug 6, 2017 13:25:58 GMT
This discussion just struck me with an amazing idea... A unique way that DA4 could go is instead of you recruiting all of these factions, you would have to choose one to join.
For example you might choose to join the Wardens where you would find Hawke or the the Warden from the Fade leading them. Or you could join the Chantry/Inquisition and meet the Inquisitor. Or you could join Tevinter or the Qunari...
It would definitely put a unique spin on things, and would likely have multiple endings available. Basically, you get to make the choice and have a unique "origin".
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 6, 2017 20:32:22 GMT
The Masked Empire was written by PW and the whole thing shits on the Dalish just like Solas himself does. This is a writer who stays consistent in his beliefs regardless of what fictional mouthpiece he may be using at the time. I hope, for the sake of the lore, that you are mistaken. It would be a tragedy if the entirety of the lore was destroyed because of Weekes' personal views. This discussion just struck me with an amazing idea... A unique way that DA4 could go is instead of you recruiting all of these factions, you would have to choose one to join. For example you might choose to join the Wardens where you would find Hawke or the the Warden from the Fade leading them. Or you could join the Chantry/Inquisition and meet the Inquisitor. Or you could join Tevinter or the Qunari... It would definitely put a unique spin on things, and would likely have multiple endings available. Basically, you get to make the choice and have a unique "origin". While I like your idea, I don't see that being financially feasible. Having multiple unique origins in DAO was incredibly costly, and BioWare was almost unable to pull it off. But allowing players to join entirely different factions just seems unwieldy. Unless the choice of faction was ultimately superficial and had little impact on the story, I just couldn't see that realistically happening. I'd be fully in support of it, however, as it would give players more choice over how they play the game. It would also provide the game with a lot more replay value than arguably all of the previous Dragon Age games.
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Post by idkmyname on Aug 7, 2017 1:23:32 GMT
I.. don't really know. It's not that I wouldn't want to play a warden but I'm still very much on the inquisitor boat. I don't see DA4 being a good game without the inquisitor, particularly If it's anything like DAI or MEA.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 7, 2017 2:26:52 GMT
I.. don't really know. It's not that I wouldn't want to play a warden but I'm still very much on the inquisitor boat. I don't see DA4 being a good game without the inquisitor, particularly If it's anything like DAI or MEA. Considering how the Inquisitor ended up at the ending of Trespasser, I don't see him/her having anymore than a supporting role at best. Also, I'd be surprised if DA4 doesn't improve upon the gameplay systems that DAI attempted.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 12, 2017 20:20:11 GMT
I would not mind being a warden again if it fits. What I would really like to see is a return of origin stories.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 12, 2017 22:47:30 GMT
I would not mind being a warden again if it fits. What I would really like to see is a return of origin stories. Not sure that's ever going to happen. Gaider, specifically, stated it took a lot of resources to pull origin stories off in DAO. BioWare also wasn't happy with the execution of those origin stories in the end. While the origin stories were arguably different initially, it didn't play much of a role, if any, later in the actual game. If we play as a Grey Warden again, it can't just be as one of the optional origin stories. It's going to have to be THE origin story, in order to make the Order relevant to the plot and evolve it in a meaningful way throughout the story. That's next to impossible to do when you allow the origins of a human noble, city elf, underground dwarf, etc.
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Post by thats1evildude on Aug 13, 2017 8:51:06 GMT
Why does everyone want to play as a slave when you could play as a fucking Magister 1) Because it's a story I haven't see done in an RPG. 2) Because being a slave fits in with a Level 1 PC: you own nothing.
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Post by tacsear on Aug 13, 2017 8:57:10 GMT
Why does everyone want to play as a slave when you could play as a fucking Magister 1) Because it's a story I haven't see done in an RPG. 2) Because being a slave fits in with a Level 1 PC: you own nothing. But playing as a powerful mage who does blood sacrifices is a dream come true
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