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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 1:55:55 GMT
The first time I played DA2, I saw that dragon as well and thought. "I have to fight a dragon now?" too. So relieved when that wasn't the case! Varric is brilliant. I think I've taken him on almost every quest in DA2, except when I maybe had to swap him out for a companion quest line. It makes so much sense that he was on these quests that he's talking to Cassandra about Yea, still collecting my chicken feathers over that one. I just ran into him and it makes sense to have him in the party due to that deep roads thing. Well that and so far I haven't gotten Evelyn back. Only three of us stalking around the city looking for gold. I must say though Kirwell sure has a poor choice in decor. They don't forget their history for one minute.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 18, 2017 9:53:43 GMT
The first time I played DA2, I saw that dragon as well and thought. "I have to fight a dragon now?" too. So relieved when that wasn't the case! Varric is brilliant. I think I've taken him on almost every quest in DA2, except when I maybe had to swap him out for a companion quest line. It makes so much sense that he was on these quests that he's talking to Cassandra about Yea, still collecting my chicken feathers over that one. I just ran into him and it makes sense to have him in the party due to that deep roads thing. Well that and so far I haven't gotten Evelyn back. Only three of us stalking around the city looking for gold. I must say though Kirwell sure has a poor choice in decor. They don't forget their history for one minute. I'm weird, I know, but I love Kirkwall's design: the Architecture and the decor both brilliant, monumental and beautiful, have it's own charm. I like much better than the fancy Val Royeaux. (Probably I will love Tevinter...)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 13:23:03 GMT
Hello, I have a question more targeted at those who played all DAO, DA2 and Inquisition. The game Lore and History are important to me and I'm the type of player who enjoys picking up on minor allusions and connections. So, I wanted to ask just how important story wise is DA2 when it comes to linking it to Inquisition. I played both Origins and Awakening, so I wouldn't go into Inquisition completely without the knowledge of the previous events, but just how big a hole would I blow in the story line if I skip DA2? I played Origins and Awakening and liked them so much that I bought Inquisition. However, DA2 reviews have raised a lot of personal preferences red flags and youtube videos didn't help much because its visual aspect reminds me strongly of Warrior Within. I had a bad experience when I really enjoyed playing Sands of Time and then bought a sequel Warrior Within which I simply loathed and regretted wasting money on it. So, I'm cautious now of getting into a similar situation, but if DA2 story is very good and if it's crucial narrative wise then I might buy DA2 anyway. I'm uncertain as it has this appearance edging close to an aggressive/violent world build that I don't favour, but my curiosity is peaked from the small general narrative timbits I picked up. For example the Qunari stuff sounds important and Anders was my favourite recruit in Awakening, which makes me rather interested in the details of how he went bad. DA2 is my favorite game in the series. It has interesting links with Origins, and I like its lore on Lirium, mages and Templars. It is very focused on one city's fate, so it really helped me with sorting out who is who, and what's what in the world. I also find that the DA games are not consistent in their presention and the feel of the cultural and historic setting, and DA2 was my preferred here as well. Origins did not do medieval well, imo, and Inquisition was anachronistic for pretty much anything but an elaborate costumed salon game in the early twentieth century (late 19th maybe)? i really recommend playing DA2 with Legacy and Exiled Prince, personally, because both provide lore and story bits that are important in the world building and giving the opposing perspectives on the politics of the world.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 14:04:11 GMT
jade Sadly, that price only covered the basic game. I checked whether any DLC went on sale along with this promotion, but no such luck. If you pay for each sequel separately plus the original game, a single game is going to cost more than Inquisition plus the Origins/Awakening pack with all the expansions included. I am enjoying DA2 at this point, even fine with its combat. I just found Anders and finally figured out what happened to him. Sometimes I accidentally saw posts that talked about Anders and Justice in one sentence and didn't understand what people meant. O_O Now it makes sense. BioWare had a Super Sane two Wardens for the price of one Sale.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 18, 2017 14:35:12 GMT
jade Sadly, that price only covered the basic game. I checked whether any DLC went on sale along with this promotion, but no such luck. If you pay for each sequel separately plus the original game, a single game is going to cost more than Inquisition plus the Origins/Awakening pack with all the expansions included. I am enjoying DA2 at this point, even fine with its combat. I just found Anders and finally figured out what happened to him. Sometimes I accidentally saw posts that talked about Anders and Justice in one sentence and didn't understand what people meant. O_O Now it makes sense. BioWare had a Super Sane two Wardens for the price of one Sale. My two favorites in Awakening, and occupy only one place in the group? Pure profit!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 15:42:31 GMT
jade Sadly, that price only covered the basic game. I checked whether any DLC went on sale along with this promotion, but no such luck. If you pay for each sequel separately plus the original game, a single game is going to cost more than Inquisition plus the Origins/Awakening pack with all the expansions included. I am enjoying DA2 at this point, even fine with its combat. I just found Anders and finally figured out what happened to him. Sometimes I accidentally saw posts that talked about Anders and Justice in one sentence and didn't understand what people meant. O_O Now it makes sense. BioWare had a Super Sane two Wardens for the price of one Sale. Yes, that is one of the most annoying parts about DA2, that the DLCs were not included and that they are still sold for the BW points, and excluded from sales. I pulled my hair over it for a while. I was lucky to talk the EA into giving me the Legacy for free, but paid for the EP. Regretted not buying it from the start, it would have made my F!Hawke run much more interesting. But the pricing is really bad, so I get it. In the end, after playing all three games, I wish I would not have purchased the Inquisition, and put the money towards the full DA2+ 3 DLC instead. But I am really an oddball with regards to Inquisition, most people love it & it's a newer game with all DLCs available and comes on sale as a full game too & costs money, not points. So, yeah, I can see it how it makes sense to buy and play that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 16:08:19 GMT
jade Sadly, that price only covered the basic game. I checked whether any DLC went on sale along with this promotion, but no such luck. If you pay for each sequel separately plus the original game, a single game is going to cost more than Inquisition plus the Origins/Awakening pack with all the expansions included. I am enjoying DA2 at this point, even fine with its combat. I just found Anders and finally figured out what happened to him. Sometimes I accidentally saw posts that talked about Anders and Justice in one sentence and didn't understand what people meant. O_O Now it makes sense. BioWare had a Super Sane two Wardens for the price of one Sale. My two favorites in Awakening, and occupy only one place in the group? Pure profit! Purchase Nathaniel expansion for 850 BioWare points at the store now and get his bow free. Bowman Anders with glowing Justice eyes. You know it's a win. jade Inquisition has a different feel to it than the other two. It resembles a lot more all those mmprog games like EverQuest. DA2 and DAO have this immediate take off to hook the interest while Inquisition takes longer to submerge in all its details. I have greater sense of urgency with the first two games than with Inquisition.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 16:22:27 GMT
My two favorites in Awakening, and occupy only one place in the group? Pure profit! Purchase Nathaniel expansion for 850 BioWare points at the store now and get his bow free. Bowman Anders with glowing Justice eyes. You know it's a win. jade Inquisition has a different feel to it than the other two. It resembles a lot more all those mmprog games like EverQuest. DA2 and DAO have this immediate take off to hook the interest while Inquisition takes longer to submerge in all its details. I have greater sense of urgency with the first two games than with Inquisition. I have played Inquisition for 85 hours according to the game's stats, and I have never felt hooked, rather I felt like a habitual chore I do because it's there to be done. 85 hours is not bad for $40 I paid for it, but too few of those hours had the moments of open delight and "wow, wow, wow, what happens next?!" DA2 excited me all the time with its twists and turns
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Post by Catilina on Aug 18, 2017 16:25:08 GMT
My two favorites in Awakening, and occupy only one place in the group? Pure profit! Purchase Nathaniel expansion for 850 BioWare points at the store now and get his bow free. Bowman Anders with glowing Justice eyes. You know it's a win. jade Inquisition has a different feel to it than the other two. It resembles a lot more all those mmprog games like EverQuest. DA2 and DAO have this immediate take off to hook the interest while Inquisition takes longer to submerge in all its details. I have greater sense of urgency with the first two games than with Inquisition. Nathaniel? Not Sebastian?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 16:35:17 GMT
Purchase Nathaniel expansion for 850 BioWare points at the store now and get his bow free. Bowman Anders with glowing Justice eyes. You know it's a win. jade Inquisition has a different feel to it than the other two. It resembles a lot more all those mmprog games like EverQuest. DA2 and DAO have this immediate take off to hook the interest while Inquisition takes longer to submerge in all its details. I have greater sense of urgency with the first two games than with Inquisition. Nathaniel? Not Sebastian? I don't know who Sebastian is yet. He wasn't in the Awakening.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 16:41:54 GMT
Purchase Nathaniel expansion for 850 BioWare points at the store now and get his bow free. Bowman Anders with glowing Justice eyes. You know it's a win. jade Inquisition has a different feel to it than the other two. It resembles a lot more all those mmprog games like EverQuest. DA2 and DAO have this immediate take off to hook the interest while Inquisition takes longer to submerge in all its details. I have greater sense of urgency with the first two games than with Inquisition. I have played Inquisition for 85 hours according to the game's stats, and I have never felt hooked, rather I felt like a habitual chore I do because it's there to be done. 85 hours is not bad for $40 I paid for it, but too few of those hours had the moments of open delight and "wow, wow, wow, what happens next?!" DA2 excited me all the time with its twists and turns Yea... DAO and DA2 have this hurry hurry slash and burn effect, whereas, Inquisition has the builder aspect. Basically you're pitching up tents and repopulating villages while the end of the world is coming and it feels like that's what you're suppose to be doing. The first two games are more urgent. You always feel like you need to run run run or you won't make it in time, especially in DAO. I always had that OMG the AD will pillage everything and eat Ferelden while I'm contacting everyone! D: Must keep going. Also, the DAO rewards are greatest because securing help of any of those allies requires some epic diplomacy and adventuring. It was like WOW! I made it! After each zone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 16:50:12 GMT
Nathaniel? Not Sebastian? I don't know who Sebastian is yet. He wasn't in the Awakening. Sebastian is only available in the Exiled prince DLC, and is only mentioned in an obscure reference in the DAI. If you do not have the DLC, don't worry about him. I personally prefer him in DA2 as Anders' direct opponent/Rival, but Fenris does the job adequately w/o the DLC. Most people do NOT like him anyway. As I said, I am weird.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 18, 2017 17:04:22 GMT
I don't know who Sebastian is yet. He wasn't in the Awakening. Sebastian is only available in the Exiled prince DLC, and is only mentioned in an obscure reference in the DAI. If you do not have the DLC, don't worry about him. I personally prefer him in DA2 as Anders' direct opponent/Rival, but Fenris does the job adequately w/o the DLC. Most people do NOT like him anyway. As I said, I am weird. I think, he's (or at least his quest in Act3) important: adds informations to Anders the main thread. And I can agree with @careful, he's an interesting character, even if not my favorite.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 1:47:21 GMT
Yea, still collecting my chicken feathers over that one. I just ran into him and it makes sense to have him in the party due to that deep roads thing. Well that and so far I haven't gotten Evelyn back. Only three of us stalking around the city looking for gold. I must say though Kirwell sure has a poor choice in decor. They don't forget their history for one minute. I'm weird, I know, but I love Kirkwall's design: the Architecture and the decor both brilliant, monumental and beautiful, have it's own charm. I like much better than the fancy Val Royeaux. (Probably I will love Tevinter...) I'm not much into doom and gloom, however, in regards with the story I don't believe any other setting would fit better and it gives a dangerous feel to it venturing the streets, which is exactly how it should be. I wouldn't buy a summer home there though. I like Val Royeaux architecture, but it most assuredly isn't the place I'd choose to imitate in fashion. I like having my face on my face, not a ten pound mask.
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Post by phoray on Oct 19, 2017 2:25:39 GMT
Ahh thank you. So, if I don't play DA2 I'm going to get into those goof situations in Inquisition where someone will begin talking about something and I'll be the only oddball in the room who doesn't know what's going on. OMG, I played DA2 but not the Legacy DLC before playing DAI and I was like..."Why is my Hawke talking about Corypheus, when did they meet, why is he "their responsibility?"" So definitely play Legacy. I like it mid Act 3 but mid Act 2 can also be good. Although I still heavily disagree that Cory is Hawke's responsibility now I know the whole story I also recommend Asunder and the Masked Empire Novels for understanding the true reason the MAge Templar war happened as well as why ALL The choices at the Winter Palace kinda just suck. But I'm a fan of Celene Alone or Celene and Briala combo.
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Post by phoray on Oct 19, 2017 2:28:51 GMT
You shouldn't miss DA2 because it's hands down the best DA game. Best protagonist, best story, best characters, best environment. The only DA title which has endured the test of time for me. And yeah, DA2 also helps to make sense of the events in DAI. Ditto. I have a love for every character in the Hawke Franchise. But especially Hawke and Fenris. I rate Fenris higher than Cullen. That's saying a lot!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 2:48:38 GMT
Ahh thank you. So, if I don't play DA2 I'm going to get into those goof situations in Inquisition where someone will begin talking about something and I'll be the only oddball in the room who doesn't know what's going on. OMG, I played DA2 but not the Legacy DLC before playing DAI and I was like..."Why is my Hawke talking about Corypheus, when did they meet, why is he "their responsibility?"" So definitely play Legacy. I like it mid Act 3 but mid Act 2 can also be good. Although I still heavily disagree that Cory is Hawke's responsibility now I know the whole story I also recommend Asunder and the Masked Empire Novels for understanding the true reason the MAge Templar war happened as well as why ALL The choices at the Winter Palace kinda just suck. But I'm a fan of Celene Alone or Celene and Briala combo. lol Maybe that's why I'm confused by DA2 a lot more than by Inquisition. Why would Cory be anyone's responsibility? His nuttiness is purely the responsibility of the squirrels hopping around in his evil head. Purely from the game perspective, Briala choice made zero sense to me. Like Celene and Gaspard are royal persons and siblings. Why is a spy elf considered for the throne when everyone is so biased against elves? Why in the world would the royal court and all those Orlesian nobles support her even if Inq says so?
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Post by phoray on Oct 19, 2017 2:55:37 GMT
OMG, I played DA2 but not the Legacy DLC before playing DAI and I was like..."Why is my Hawke talking about Corypheus, when did they meet, why is he "their responsibility?"" So definitely play Legacy. I like it mid Act 3 but mid Act 2 can also be good. Although I still heavily disagree that Cory is Hawke's responsibility now I know the whole story I also recommend Asunder and the Masked Empire Novels for understanding the true reason the MAge Templar war happened as well as why ALL The choices at the Winter Palace kinda just suck. But I'm a fan of Celene Alone or Celene and Briala combo. lol Maybe that's why I'm confused by DA2 a lot more than by Inquisition. Why would Cory be anyone's responsibility? His nuttiness is purely the responsibility of the squirrels hopping around in his evil head. Purely from the game perspective, Briala choice made zero sense to me. Like Celene and Gaspard are royal persons and siblings. Why is a spy elf considered for the throne when everyone is so biased against elves? Why in the world would the royal court and all those Orlesian nobles support her even if Inq says so? I don't know how far you've gotten in DA2 Hawke's father's blood was used to keep Cory locked up. HAwke's blood was the only way to break the spell decades/centuries sooner.
But once Hawke was in Cory's Prison (and you're literally locked in and can't leave), the only way to avoid breaking the spell was to accept that you and your companions would dehydrate to death in a Mage Prison. Most people aren't capable of making that sacrifice.
Hawke also didn't know exactly why Cory was locked up.
So... accept your and your friends' death, or push forward and try to break out. "killing" Cory was also a normal expectation to have.
So it was a series of unfortunate events with a very unintentional outcome in an attempt to save your own life.
But anybody can feel guilt about anything. But since I, the player, am Hawke, I've never felt guilty about it. I made the logical decision at the time.
But then Hawke wastes their life on a random demon unless you choose to kill the other guy and so Hawke's whole speech about needing to be there to fight Cory becomes absurd. I call Hawke's Actions in DAI a bit incoherent. And Briala doesn't rule directly. She would rule from the shadows. Either as Celene's lover and Ambassador of the Elves or as Gaspard's puppet master. But Leliana doesn't really say that when she makes her suggestion, so she ends up just sounding a little weird.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 3:02:15 GMT
lol Maybe that's why I'm confused by DA2 a lot more than by Inquisition. Why would Cory be anyone's responsibility? His nuttiness is purely the responsibility of the squirrels hopping around in his evil head. Purely from the game perspective, Briala choice made zero sense to me. Like Celene and Gaspard are royal persons and siblings. Why is a spy elf considered for the throne when everyone is so biased against elves? Why in the world would the royal court and all those Orlesian nobles support her even if Inq says so? I don't know how far you've gotten in DA2
And Briala doesn't rule directly. She would rule from the shadows. Either as Celene's lover and Ambassador of the Elves or as Gaspard's puppet master. But Leliana doesn't really say that when she makes her suggestion, so she ends up just sounding a little weird. Nope. Not at that point yet. That little treacherous Isabella so far only talked indirectly about Cory murdering her if she doesn't bring the book and then running off with it when Hawke said to give it back to Arishok. Good thing with Hawke being rogue I don't need another one in formation. Though, in DA2 it's a bummer that you start off with a large group and it alarmingly shrinks through a game. Whereas in Origins, you get more and more companions. So, it's impossible to set up Briala as a sole ruler. You have to keep Celene or Gaspard alive too and blackmail them into being her puppet.
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Post by phoray on Oct 19, 2017 3:05:34 GMT
I don't know how far you've gotten in DA2
And Briala doesn't rule directly. She would rule from the shadows. Either as Celene's lover and Ambassador of the Elves or as Gaspard's puppet master. But Leliana doesn't really say that when she makes her suggestion, so she ends up just sounding a little weird. Nope. Not at that point yet. That little treacherous Isabella so far only talked indirectly about Cory murdering her if she doesn't bring the book and then running off with it when Hawke said to give it back to Arishok. Good thing with Hawke being rogue I don't need another one in formation. Though, in DA2 it's a bummer that you start off with a large group and it alarmingly shrinks through a game. Whereas in Origins, you get more and more companions. So, it's impossible to set up Briala as a sole ruler. You have to keep Celene or Gaspard alive too and blackmail them into being her puppet. Isabella fears the Arishok, not Cory. she never meets Cory. I think the options are: Celene alone Celene and Briala romantically reunite and implied ruling together Gaspard Alone Briala uses Blackmail to rule through Gaspard All three of them forced into a truce by the Inquisitor holding Blackmail over them all. But epilogue slides and lengthy discussions have led me to believe that Celene Alone and the Celene/Briala combo are the only STABLE solutions.
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Post by dragontartare on Oct 19, 2017 3:11:56 GMT
I don't know how far you've gotten in DA2
And Briala doesn't rule directly. She would rule from the shadows. Either as Celene's lover and Ambassador of the Elves or as Gaspard's puppet master. But Leliana doesn't really say that when she makes her suggestion, so she ends up just sounding a little weird. Nope. Not at that point yet. That little treacherous Isabella so far only talked indirectly about Cory murdering her if she doesn't bring the book and then running off with it when Hawke said to give it back to Arishok. Good thing with Hawke being rogue I don't need another one in formation. Though, in DA2 it's a bummer that you start off with a large group and it alarmingly shrinks through a game. Whereas in Origins, you get more and more companions. So, it's impossible to set up Briala as a sole ruler. You have to keep Celene or Gaspard alive too and blackmail them into being her puppet. I don't want to reveal too much, but your DA2 group won't necessarily shrink. It depends on the choices you make.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 3:19:12 GMT
When my Hawke told Isabella that she must return the book to Quinari, she exclaimed that Corypheus will kill her. When the next fight started, she ran off with the book and dropped an apology note how she can't do otherwise. I take it Cory wanted that book. Also, I've already wacked Arishok dead and she didn't come back.
I found an odd detail in my game. Basically, after I arrested Flory, all three came out to the balcony. Unfortunately, the game gave me only two options and they both related to exposing Gaspard. Once I began exposing him, it also gave me an option to expose Briala. I ignored that option and got Gaspard exiled. But, once I left the palace some npcs said, 'it's too bad about Briala.' I have no idea what's too bad about her since I haven't chosen to reveal her crimes. I'm not sure why Briala lost her status in Orlais.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 3:25:37 GMT
Nope. Not at that point yet. That little treacherous Isabella so far only talked indirectly about Cory murdering her if she doesn't bring the book and then running off with it when Hawke said to give it back to Arishok. Good thing with Hawke being rogue I don't need another one in formation. Though, in DA2 it's a bummer that you start off with a large group and it alarmingly shrinks through a game. Whereas in Origins, you get more and more companions. So, it's impossible to set up Briala as a sole ruler. You have to keep Celene or Gaspard alive too and blackmail them into being her puppet. I don't want to reveal too much, but your DA2 group won't necessarily shrink. It depends on the choices you make. Sounds like I'm making the choices that get people to run away from me. Their requests are so loony and if I don't go along with that this causes them to abandon Hawke or become so unreliable that I'm reluctant to add them to the formation least they backstab me in a fight. Merill keep sulking how I didn't give her some mirror shard that smells of 'this mirror will make those nice men with scythes on flaming horses rain out of its depths.' And Anders made me crawl through sewers via lie that he was seeking cure to separate from Justice and then asked for another favour to get him inside the church with what appears to be me helped made tnt. I told him, NO.
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Post by phoray on Oct 19, 2017 3:27:02 GMT
When my Hawke told Isabella that she must return the book to Quinari, she exclaimed that Corypheus will kill her. When the next fight started, she ran off with the book and dropped an apology note how she can't do otherwise. I take it Cory wanted that book. Also, I've already wacked Arishok dead and she didn't come back. I found an odd detail in my game. Basically, after I arrested Flory, all three came out to the balcony. Unfortunately, the game gave me only two options and they both related to exposing Gaspard. Once I began exposing him, it also gave me an option to expose Briala. I ignored that option and got Gaspard exiled. But, once I left the palace some npcs said, 'it's too bad about Briala.' I have no idea what's too bad about her since I haven't chosen to reveal her crimes. I'm not sure why Briala lost her status in Orlais. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about regarding Isabella fearing Corypheus. She feared the Arishok capturing her. She also feared a Guy from the Pirate Armada that she owed money to, but he is not someone I recall the name of off the top of my head. If you'd had enough friendship OR rivalry with Isabella, she would have felt guilt and come back before you fought the Arishok. Don't hit on yourself to hard, I've lost her twice out of four playthroughs. She's a slippery girl but mostly, I prefer playing rogue and so I just didn't need her skills in my fighting party. The first time I played I was a rogue and had hardly talked to her, so it seemed appropriate she wouldn't risk her life for Hawke. Re Winter Palace There are three piles of Blackmail you have to get to have all the options available. Flory had a guy tied up that you let loose. You get this piece of blackmail no matter what so you can't miss it. For the blackmail on Celene you have to have enough horse statues to break into her bedroom. I won't spoil what's in there. But you need in there to get the 3 way truce and the Celene/Briala Combo. (additionally, you may need the Love Locket from another locked room but I'm not sure) And you need to go into another room where an elven girl is screaming to get rid of Briala. I think this is also easy to come by, due to the screaming drawing you that way. I used a guide the first time I played. After that, I haven't needed it.
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Post by phoray on Oct 19, 2017 3:29:51 GMT
I don't want to reveal too much, but your DA2 group won't necessarily shrink. It depends on the choices you make. Sounds like I'm making the choices that get people to run away from me. Their requests are so loony and if I don't go along with that this causes them to abandon Hawke or become so unreliable that I'm reluctant to add them to the formation least they backstab me in a fight. Merill keep sulking how I didn't give her some mirror shard that smells of 'this mirror will make those nice men with scythes on flaming horses rain out of its depths.' And Anders made me crawl through sewers via lie that he was seeking cure to separate from Justice and then asked for another favour to get him inside the church with what appears to be me helped made tnt. I told him, NO. Isabella has a crisis point end of act 2. Everyone else but Varric and sibling (if alive) has a crisis point at the end of the game. If you have enough points, either direction, to support a narrative where you spent time with them and helped them even if you didn't agree on the methods, they will stay by with you no matter what you do or which side you choose. Except Sebastion. He's an ass.
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