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Post by Sifr on Mar 29, 2018 12:17:57 GMT
What choice leads to Blackwall embracing his identity as Thom Rainier? Whether pardoned or forced to join the Wardens, Blackwall embraces his true identity as Thom Rainier by Trespasser. In Inquisition, he asks to stick with "Blackwall" to not confuse people and instead treat the name as a title (like "Inquisitor") for him to aspire to. However by Trespasser, he's comfortable with everyone (including the character menu) calling him Thom again.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 29, 2018 13:56:41 GMT
Is "Thom" short for anything? It sounds so weird and I really would prefer any alternative.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 29, 2018 15:42:16 GMT
Is "Thom" short for anything? It sounds so weird and I really would prefer any alternative. Yeah, in his updated codex entry after Revelations, his full name is given as "Thomas Rainier". Thom is another (slightly less common) variant of the nickname Tom.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 1, 2018 6:21:08 GMT
In Inquisition, he asks to stick with "Blackwall" to not confuse people and instead treat the name as a title (like "Inquisitor") for him to aspire to. I wish we had the option to refuse that request of his.
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Post by vertigomez on Apr 1, 2018 6:32:07 GMT
Is "Thom" short for anything? It sounds so weird and I really would prefer any alternative. I'm pretty sure everyone pronounces it "Tom", so I don't know how it sounds weird?
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Post by Iddy on Apr 1, 2018 13:31:45 GMT
Is "Thom" short for anything? It sounds so weird and I really would prefer any alternative. I'm pretty sure everyone pronounces it "Tom", so I don't know how it sounds weird? They do? Huh.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 1, 2018 21:51:18 GMT
I wish we had the option to refuse that request of his. Why? I know some people feel like he stole the name and doesn't deserve it, but his reason for wanting to treat it as a title is sound. He holds Blackwall up as the embodiment of everything he wishes he was and aspires to be, a good and selfless man, rather than someone like Rainier, who was a coward that only ever thought of himself. I think he'd be the first one to admit that the title of "Blackwall" is really only code for; "Remember not to be a dick anymore, Thom"
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 1, 2018 22:04:02 GMT
I wish we had the option to refuse that request of his. Why? I know some people feel like he stole the name and doesn't deserve it, but his reason for wanting to treat it as a title is sound. He holds Blackwall up as the embodiment of everything he wishes he was and aspires to be, a good and selfless man, rather than someone like Rainier, who was a coward that only ever thought of himself. I think he'd be the first one to admit that the title of "Blackwall" is really only code for; "Remember not to be a dick anymore, Thom"I'm one of those people you mentioned. I have no respect for him, so why should I be forced to honor his wishes? He hasn't earned either the name nor my using it to refer to him. I hated how if you didn't leave him to die the game forced you to pretty much be on his side afterwards, like in some of the companion dialogues. The one with The Iron Bull and Cassandra comes to mind, where all three options are on his side and none on her side.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 2, 2018 0:13:02 GMT
I'm one of those people you mentioned. I have no respect for him, so why should I be forced to honor his wishes? He hasn't earned either the name nor my using it to refer to him. I hated how if you didn't leave him to die the game forced you to pretty much be on his side afterwards, like in some of the companion dialogues. The one with The Iron Bull and Cassandra comes to mind, where all three options are on his side and none on her side. Because he wants to change and atone for his past mistakes? And how did he not "earn" the name? Giles mentions that he protected refugees from demons when Breach opened, his side-missions often involve fighting darkspawn (and approves every time he fights them) and he ultimately faced up to his crimes and was willing to be punished for them (even being slightly angry that the Inquisitor intervened). While he did impersonate a Warden, he was nonetheless recruited by the real Blackwall, did hunt down a darkspawn and gather it's blood, the only thing the didn't do was formally go through the Joining. If the real Blackwall hadn't been ambushed and killed, then Thom Rainier would be serving as a legitimate Warden right now. Also I hardly find his actions irredeemable, given how many murderers/killers our various protagonists have worked with in the past. In DAO, Morrigan has killed many Templars, Zevran was an Antivan Crow, Leliana killed many times as a bard, Sten murdered an entire family, Shale murdered her former master, Oghren accidentally killed someone during a friendly Proving, Alistair was forced to kill a possessed mage during their failed Harrowing and Loghain quit the field at Ostagar.
In Awakening, Nathaniel tried to murder the Warden, as did Velanna. Also Anders may have killed the Templars sent to capture him.
In DA2, Fenris killed many at Danarius' command (such as a village of Fog Warriors), Isabela is a pirate and once was forced to drown slaves to save her own skin and Anders has definitely killed many Templars (and maybe even a few Wardens), according to his short story prologue.
Even before learning she was an assassin/spy for the Qunari, Hawke didn't seem to mind Tallis casually murdering people both during the ambush or heist. Hawke was actually more surprised at how much it seemed to bother Tallis when she was forced to kill a servant about to raise the alarm.
In Inquisition, Sera's introduction involves shooting a man with an arrow to the face (although he was trying to kill the Inquisitor), Vivienne can kill the Maquis (if you ask her to), Cassandra has definitely taken lives in service to the Chantry and Bull has killed many Vints/Fog Warriors/Tal-Vashoth for the Qunari (slaughtering an entire Tal-Vashoth camp for the sake of revenge was why he chose to be re-educated).
As for our advisors, Cullen ignored Meredith's brutality for years without acting, Josephine killed a fellow trainee bard (in self-defense) and Leliana definitely has become more "stabbity" since becoming Left Hand. If we're willing to overlook the misdeeds of all the above and allow them the chance to atone for past mistakes, why not Thom Rainier? (Besides, while he still lives by Blackwall's example, by Trespasser, he has chosen to atone under no name but his own.)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 2, 2018 2:53:03 GMT
I'm one of those people you mentioned. I have no respect for him, so why should I be forced to honor his wishes? He hasn't earned either the name nor my using it to refer to him. I hated how if you didn't leave him to die the game forced you to pretty much be on his side afterwards, like in some of the companion dialogues. The one with The Iron Bull and Cassandra comes to mind, where all three options are on his side and none on her side. Because he wants to change and atone for his past mistakes? And how did he not "earn" the name? Giles mentions that he protected refugees from demons when Breach opened, his side-missions often involve fighting darkspawn (and approves every time he fights them) and he ultimately faced up to his crimes and was willing to be punished for them (even being slightly angry that the Inquisitor intervened). While he did impersonate a Warden, he was nonetheless recruited by the real Blackwall, did hunt down a darkspawn and gather it's blood, the only thing the didn't do was formally go through the Joining. If the real Blackwall hadn't been ambushed and killed, then Thom Rainier would be serving as a legitimate Warden right now. Also I hardly find his actions irredeemable, given how many murderers/killers our various protagonists have worked with in the past. In DAO, Morrigan has killed many Templars, Zevran was an Antivan Crow, Leliana killed many times as a bard, Sten murdered an entire family, Shale murdered her former master, Oghren accidentally killed someone during a friendly Proving, Alistair was forced to kill a possessed mage during their failed Harrowing and Loghain quit the field at Ostagar.
In Awakening, Nathaniel tried to murder the Warden, as did Velanna. Also Anders may have killed the Templars sent to capture him.
In DA2, Fenris killed many at Danarius' command (such as a village of Fog Warriors), Isabela is a pirate and once was forced to drown slaves to save her own skin and Anders has definitely killed many Templars (and maybe even a few Wardens), according to his short story prologue.
Even before learning she was an assassin/spy for the Qunari, Hawke didn't seem to mind Tallis casually murdering people both during the ambush or heist. Hawke was actually more surprised at how much it seemed to bother Tallis when she was forced to kill a servant about to raise the alarm.
In Inquisition, Sera's introduction involves shooting a man with an arrow to the face (although he was trying to kill the Inquisitor), Vivienne can kill the Maquis (if you ask her to), Cassandra has definitely taken lives in service to the Chantry and Bull has killed many Vints/Fog Warriors/Tal-Vashoth for the Qunari (slaughtering an entire Tal-Vashoth camp for the sake of revenge was why he chose to be re-educated).
As for our advisors, Cullen ignored Meredith's brutality for years without acting, Josephine killed a fellow trainee bard (in self-defense) and Leliana definitely has become more "stabbity" since becoming Left Hand. If we're willing to overlook the misdeeds of all the above and allow them the chance to atone for past mistakes, why not Thom Rainier? (Besides, while he still lives by Blackwall's example, by Trespasser, he has chosen to atone under no name but his own.) Regarding the first part of your post, I feel the same way Cassandra does in this exchange. Blackwall: Cassandra. Cassandra: Seeker Cassandra, if you must address me. Blackwall: Seeker Cassandra-- Cassandra: But I would rather you not address me at all. Blackwall: What happened to "It's never too late to become more than what you are"? Cassandra: A man who truly aspired to be righteous would not lie. Cassandra: He would earn respect, not steal the respect due another.
In my mind, he did not start to actually try to atone until he went to the gallows to finally take responsibility for his actions. Thus, he has done very little and nowhere near enough for me to respect him enough to honor his wishes. And no, slaughtering a family including children is irredeemable. Even hardened criminals see there being nobody worse than someone whose crime involved harming children. As for those characters you mentioned: In DAO, you won't see me defend Morrigan's, Leliana's, Zevran's, Loghain's, or Sten's actions. Though since his crime is the closest to Thom's, I will at least give Sten the credit of owning up to his crime immediately and just stand there waiting for his judgement. With Alistair he had no choice since that was no longer a person but an abomination. As for Shale and Oghren, those were accidental deaths so no real crime there since by the definition of accident they didn't intend or mean to do it.
In Awakening, I won't defend Velanna and Nathaniel's attempt failed.
In DA2, I won't defend Isabela or Anders. As for Fenris I'm more lenient on since as a slave he was indoctrinated to obey his master.
In DAI, won't defend Sera, Vivienne, or Cullen. Never heard that dialogue with The Iron Bull, so can't really comment on that but from the dialogue I had heard all the people he attacked were enemy combatants trying to attack him so no real crime there. That's why I see no crime committed by Cassandra since she has never murdered anybody. As for Josephine, not only was her act self-defense but it was also an accident so absolutely no crime there.
Overall, for most companions I won't defend either and for the others to say their actions are even slightly comparable to Thom's actions is an insult to those characters. But that is as much as I want to discuss it. I learned my lesson the last time I disagreed about the almighty Saint Thom Rainier.
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Post by opuspace on Apr 2, 2018 6:03:06 GMT
Because he wants to change and atone for his past mistakes? And how did he not "earn" the name? Giles mentions that he protected refugees from demons when Breach opened, his side-missions often involve fighting darkspawn (and approves every time he fights them) and he ultimately faced up to his crimes and was willing to be punished for them (even being slightly angry that the Inquisitor intervened). While he did impersonate a Warden, he was nonetheless recruited by the real Blackwall, did hunt down a darkspawn and gather it's blood, the only thing the didn't do was formally go through the Joining. If the real Blackwall hadn't been ambushed and killed, then Thom Rainier would be serving as a legitimate Warden right now. Also I hardly find his actions irredeemable, given how many murderers/killers our various protagonists have worked with in the past. In DAO, Morrigan has killed many Templars, Zevran was an Antivan Crow, Leliana killed many times as a bard, Sten murdered an entire family, Shale murdered her former master, Oghren accidentally killed someone during a friendly Proving, Alistair was forced to kill a possessed mage during their failed Harrowing and Loghain quit the field at Ostagar.
In Awakening, Nathaniel tried to murder the Warden, as did Velanna. Also Anders may have killed the Templars sent to capture him.
In DA2, Fenris killed many at Danarius' command (such as a village of Fog Warriors), Isabela is a pirate and once was forced to drown slaves to save her own skin and Anders has definitely killed many Templars (and maybe even a few Wardens), according to his short story prologue.
Even before learning she was an assassin/spy for the Qunari, Hawke didn't seem to mind Tallis casually murdering people both during the ambush or heist. Hawke was actually more surprised at how much it seemed to bother Tallis when she was forced to kill a servant about to raise the alarm.
In Inquisition, Sera's introduction involves shooting a man with an arrow to the face (although he was trying to kill the Inquisitor), Vivienne can kill the Maquis (if you ask her to), Cassandra has definitely taken lives in service to the Chantry and Bull has killed many Vints/Fog Warriors/Tal-Vashoth for the Qunari (slaughtering an entire Tal-Vashoth camp for the sake of revenge was why he chose to be re-educated).
As for our advisors, Cullen ignored Meredith's brutality for years without acting, Josephine killed a fellow trainee bard (in self-defense) and Leliana definitely has become more "stabbity" since becoming Left Hand. If we're willing to overlook the misdeeds of all the above and allow them the chance to atone for past mistakes, why not Thom Rainier? (Besides, while he still lives by Blackwall's example, by Trespasser, he has chosen to atone under no name but his own.) Regarding the first part of your post, I feel the same way Cassandra does in this exchange. Blackwall: Cassandra. Cassandra: Seeker Cassandra, if you must address me. Blackwall: Seeker Cassandra-- Cassandra: But I would rather you not address me at all. Blackwall: What happened to "It's never too late to become more than what you are"? Cassandra: A man who truly aspired to be righteous would not lie. Cassandra: He would earn respect, not steal the respect due another.
In my mind, he did not start to actually try to atone until he went to the gallows to finally take responsibility for his actions. Thus, he has done very little and nowhere near enough for me to respect him enough to honor his wishes. And no, slaughtering a family including children is irredeemable. Even hardened criminals see there being nobody worse than someone whose crime involved harming children. As for those characters you mentioned: In DAO, you won't see me defend Morrigan's, Leliana's, Zevran's, Loghain's, or Sten's actions. Though since his crime is the closest to Thom's, I will at least give Sten the credit of owning up to his crime immediately and just stand there waiting for his judgement. With Alistair he had no choice since that was no longer a person but an abomination. As for Shale and Oghren, those were accidental deaths so no real crime there since by the definition of accident they didn't intend or mean to do it.
In Awakening, I won't defend Velanna and Nathaniel's attempt failed.
In DA2, I won't defend Isabela or Anders. As for Fenris I'm more lenient on since as a slave he was indoctrinated to obey his master.
In DAI, won't defend Sera, Vivienne, or Cullen. Never heard that dialogue with The Iron Bull, so can't really comment on that but from the dialogue I had heard all the people he attacked were enemy combatants trying to attack him so no real crime there. That's why I see no crime committed by Cassandra since she has never murdered anybody. As for Josephine, not only was her act self-defense but it was also an accident so absolutely no crime there.
Overall, for most companions I won't defend either and for the others to say their actions are even slightly comparable to Thom's actions is an insult to those characters. But that is as much as I want to discuss it. I learned my lesson the last time I disagreed about the almighty Saint Thom Rainier. Considering we've had this discussion, why the repeated vent? No one said you had no right to hate him, it just gets tedious when you get preachy at a fan thread. As much as you say you won't defend the others, you also don't complain as much on the fan threads either. Leliana fans must be overjoyed to be spared the same complaints over the years. I'm less inclined to give Cassandra her due to be offended about lying when she's also lying to Dorian to cover for a corrupt organization just because she's part of it. Dorian: I must admit, Cassandra, I've never heard of these "Seekers of Truth." Cassandra: Why would you? They do not exist in Tevinter. Dorian: But what are they? Some manner of super-Templar? Is this one of those Southern secrets, like proper hygiene? Cassandra: Once, we worked from the shadows, monitoring Templars and mages alike. Dorian: Ah. That clearly worked out well. Cassandra: Your glibness does you no credit. The Mage Rebellion was beyond even our power to control. ─────── Dorian: Incidentally, Cassandra, I'm well aware you lied to me. Cassandra: I lied to you. Dorian: When you said the Mage Rebellion was beyond the power of the Seekers to control? I've since heard your Order could have prevented it, but instead led the Templars into war once it started. Cassandra: It... is why I left the Order, yes. Dorian: Knee-jerk defense of your former comrades? I quite understand.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 2, 2018 7:27:23 GMT
Regarding the first part of your post, I feel the same way Cassandra does in this exchange. Blackwall: Cassandra. Cassandra: Seeker Cassandra, if you must address me. Blackwall: Seeker Cassandra-- Cassandra: But I would rather you not address me at all. Blackwall: What happened to "It's never too late to become more than what you are"? Cassandra: A man who truly aspired to be righteous would not lie. Cassandra: He would earn respect, not steal the respect due another.
In my mind, he did not start to actually try to atone until he went to the gallows to finally take responsibility for his actions. Thus, he has done very little and nowhere near enough for me to respect him enough to honor his wishes. And no, slaughtering a family including children is irredeemable. Even hardened criminals see there being nobody worse than someone whose crime involved harming children. As for those characters you mentioned: In DAO, you won't see me defend Morrigan's, Leliana's, Zevran's, Loghain's, or Sten's actions. Though since his crime is the closest to Thom's, I will at least give Sten the credit of owning up to his crime immediately and just stand there waiting for his judgement. With Alistair he had no choice since that was no longer a person but an abomination. As for Shale and Oghren, those were accidental deaths so no real crime there since by the definition of accident they didn't intend or mean to do it.
In Awakening, I won't defend Velanna and Nathaniel's attempt failed.
In DA2, I won't defend Isabela or Anders. As for Fenris I'm more lenient on since as a slave he was indoctrinated to obey his master.
In DAI, won't defend Sera, Vivienne, or Cullen. Never heard that dialogue with The Iron Bull, so can't really comment on that but from the dialogue I had heard all the people he attacked were enemy combatants trying to attack him so no real crime there. That's why I see no crime committed by Cassandra since she has never murdered anybody. As for Josephine, not only was her act self-defense but it was also an accident so absolutely no crime there.
Overall, for most companions I won't defend either and for the others to say their actions are even slightly comparable to Thom's actions is an insult to those characters. But that is as much as I want to discuss it. I learned my lesson the last time I disagreed about the almighty Saint Thom Rainier. Considering we've had this discussion, why the repeated vent? No one said you had no right to hate him, it just gets tedious when you get preachy at a fan thread. As much as you say you won't defend the others, you also don't complain as much on the fan threads either. Leliana fans must be overjoyed to be spared the same complaints over the years. I merely expressed that I didn't like how there wasn't an option to refuse his request. There should have been, with multiple reasons why you call him Thom Rainier instead of Blackwall whether you had positive or negative feelings towards him. I did not desire to create a conversation about anything other than that, hence why I said I was done discussing it after it got to that point. I even wasn't going to reply to Sifr's last post, but they put effort into it so I decided to. Clearly that was a mistake.
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Post by opuspace on Apr 2, 2018 8:40:38 GMT
I merely expressed that I didn't like how there wasn't an option to refuse his request. There should have been, with multiple reasons why you call him Thom Rainier instead of Blackwall whether you had positive or negative feelings towards him. I did not desire to create a conversation about anything other than that, hence why I said I was done discussing it after it got to that point. I even wasn't going to reply to Sifr's last post, but they put effort into it so I decided to. Clearly that was a mistake. Hanako, when you post on forums like this, you invite others to speak up. No one is telling you that you can't voice it, but there's a bit of repetition there that's confusing. I'm often not sure if you're listening or dismissing those who ask you questions or point out inconsistencies. It's one thing to not like a character, but I've met people who have gone on to these sites hoping to find others who like a character they like as well. They go onto fan sites only to leave unhappy and feeling bullied because someone is taking the time to make a character fan thread so unpleasant they feel judged and worthless because so many people keep trashing their preferences.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 9, 2018 11:51:23 GMT
About Blackwall, the Iron Bull says "Get deep enough under that armor, there's a man who lived the good life once."
But considering how shy and insecure he is, I have my doubts.
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Post by opuspace on Apr 10, 2018 1:16:14 GMT
About Blackwall, the Iron Bull says "Get deep enough under that armor, there's a man who lived the good life once." But considering how shy and insecure he is, I have my doubts. That's pretty intriguing, can I ask what you mean? I always figured Iron Bull meant that back in the day, he was prone towards hedonistic pursuits, blowing off whatever money he earned for luxuries until it got out of hand.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 10, 2018 10:58:53 GMT
About Blackwall, the Iron Bull says "Get deep enough under that armor, there's a man who lived the good life once." But considering how shy and insecure he is, I have my doubts. That's pretty intriguing, can I ask what you mean? I always figured Iron Bull meant that back in the day, he was prone towards hedonistic pursuits, blowing off whatever money he earned for luxuries until it got out of hand. I'm saying that Bull implied that Blackwall had tons of sex in his youth. Judging from Blackwall's personality, I highly doubt it.
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Post by opuspace on Apr 10, 2018 12:19:35 GMT
That's pretty intriguing, can I ask what you mean? I always figured Iron Bull meant that back in the day, he was prone towards hedonistic pursuits, blowing off whatever money he earned for luxuries until it got out of hand. I'm saying that Bull implied that Blackwall had tons of sex in his youth. Judging from Blackwall's personality, I highly doubt it. Ohhhhh, that part. He's admitted to spending time with a prostitute in the Hissing Wastes for a week to get it out of his head. Maybe he's purchased company for most of his partners until his change of heart. Interestingly enough, he omits mention of that around an Inquisitor who romances him. He really takes the relationship committment seriously.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 10, 2018 21:01:22 GMT
According to Leliana's report in his (updated) codex, he won a substantial amount of gold from winning the Grand Tourney.
However when he showed up in Orlais, two years later, he was no richer than at eighteen. What happened to the money is a mystery, but he managed to leverage his skill and lingering fame to gain a place in the Orlesian military.
So it seems that Bull was right that Blackwall did once live the "good life", during the two years he was riding high from his victory at the Tourney, while he blew through all his prize money.
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Post by Yermogi on Apr 10, 2018 23:28:25 GMT
According to Leliana's report in his (updated) codex, he won a substantial amount of gold from winning the Grand Tourney. However when he showed up in Orlais, two years later, he was no richer than at eighteen. What happened to the money is a mystery, but he managed to leverage his skill and lingering fame to gain a place in the Orlesian military. So it seems that Bull was right that Blackwall did once live the "good life", during the two years he was riding high from his victory at the Tourney, while he blew through all his prize money. It certainly wouldn't be the first time a person who finds themselves with a lot of money squanders it on a good time. People who win the lottery typically end up right back where they first started within a few years. Honestly, none of the companions are without their own issues and baggage; Cassandra's Seekers allowed a war to spawn which caused countless casualties, Iron Bull worked for the Qun which is a horrendously terrible and oppressive lifestyle, Solas ends up being the person who caused the world to 'reset' and indirectly sent the elves in to the downward spiral they find themselves in, Varric gave the location of the red lyrium to Stupid Bianca and we all know what happened with THAT, Cole was basically a murder-hobo for a while there, Vivienne is a social-ladder-climber who cares foremost about power, Sera is just incredibly obnoxious and immature about everything, and Dorian... actually, I don't think Dorian actually did anything in his past that was that bad. He might be the only one! Congrats, Dorian, you won the Good Person Backstory award! In other words, Blackwall is by no means the worst person in the group. None of them (except Dorian apparently) have clean hands. He spent at least 10 years after those events trying to be better, and do good, and help others. At least he's tried to make amends for his actions.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 11, 2018 2:44:44 GMT
And Dorian... actually, I don't think Dorian actually did anything in his past that was that bad. He might be the only one! Congrats, Dorian, you won the Good Person Backstory award! Although Dorian engaged in a ton of drinking and debauchery (by his own admission) after he parted company with Alexius, prior to this, when Alexius' wife was killed in a darkspawn raid and Felix contracted the Blight, Dorian tirelessly worked alongside Alexius to find a way to save Felix. They even partially succeeded and were able to provide treatment that extended Felix's prognosis from a few months to years.In fact, the only "bad" thing you can say that Dorian does, is lie to us about not knowing what Felix's "mystery" illness was. But that can be justified as him not wishing to share his friend's personal/private medical details with a complete stranger, since we'd only known him for about five minutes. So yeah, Dorian definitely wins the Good Person Backstory award in Inquisition. --- Also makes me wonder if part of the reason Blackwall takes a while to warm to Dorian, might have to do with Dorian's slight hedonistic tendencies reminding Blackwall far too much of what he was like as a young man?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 11, 2018 3:13:30 GMT
Honestly, none of the companions are without their own issues and baggage; Cassandra's Seekers allowed a war to spawn which caused countless casualties. Question: Why is that a smudge on Cassandra’scharacter though? She had nothing to do with those Seekers and even faces against them, so why are their sins hers as well?
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Post by Yermogi on Apr 11, 2018 18:17:03 GMT
Honestly, none of the companions are without their own issues and baggage; Cassandra's Seekers allowed a war to spawn which caused countless casualties. Question: Why is that a smudge on Cassandra’scharacter though? She had nothing to do with those Seekers and even faces against them, so why are their sins hers as well? Because she admits herself through dialogue that she was fully aware, as were the rest of the Seekers, that there was significant unrest amongst the mages and templars, and instead of investigating it they took the easy way out and basically just ignored the issue, resulting the Mage-Templar war we see in DA:I. The entire Seeker group, including Cassandra, is guilty of negligence and dereliction of duty.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 13, 2018 2:39:28 GMT
Because she admits herself through dialogue that she was fully aware, as were the rest of the Seekers, that there was significant unrest amongst the mages and templars, and instead of investigating it they took the easy way out and basically just ignored the issue, resulting the Mage-Templar war we see in DA:I. The entire Seeker group, including Cassandra, is guilty of negligence and dereliction of duty. Cassandra also acknowledges her negligence in how she handled the situation in DA2. Rather than abducting/interrogating Varric to discover Hawke's whereabouts, the sensible thing would have been to simply explain the situation to him and that she was actually there to recruit Hawke for the Inquisition (even potentially to serve as it's leader). By going with the Bad Cop routine, she all-but-guaranteed that Varric wouldn't tell her where his friend was.
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Post by vertigomez on Apr 30, 2018 16:08:35 GMT
That's pretty intriguing, can I ask what you mean? I always figured Iron Bull meant that back in the day, he was prone towards hedonistic pursuits, blowing off whatever money he earned for luxuries until it got out of hand. I'm saying that Bull implied that Blackwall had tons of sex in his youth. Judging from Blackwall's personality, I highly doubt it. Cole also says "you know a lot about girls" to Blackwall. When the guy lets his hair down - so to speak - he's down to party. His personality now is flavored by a lot of guilt and self-hatred, but he's a dude who's gotten in bar fights, likes raunchy jokes, can be very smooth when it comes to flirting, etc. I see no reason why Thom Rainier couldn't have had a wild youth.
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Post by opuspace on Jun 1, 2018 23:53:41 GMT
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