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Post by Walter Black on Jan 30, 2019 16:14:47 GMT
They are? I never got the impression that they're seen as more badass than mages or rogues. That said, I think from a narrative POV (not gameplay-wise, because Champions are indestructable...), Blackwall is our weakest warrior. Not because he's not tough, but because Cassandra's a legendary dragon-slayer and the Pope's right hand woman, and Iron Bull is a veteran of Seheron who's been enlisted since he hit puberty. I didn't mean they're more badass than everyone else, but I usually expect them to be somewhat tough. Regarding the Cassandra example, what I find baffling is that he complains about it. Warriors get injured all the time, so a little bruising should be nothing. Blackwall is also the oldest of Inquisition's Warrior Companions. As strong as he is, Rainier's no longer in his prime.
I think another part of this issue was the writers fearing if they acknowledged Blackwall being a better fighter than Cass or Aveline, they would come off as sexist. Of course, by stating that every heroine were better than the male heroes (I remember similar comments in Bull and Cassandra banter), they may have went overboard. When will some people learn you can have Cool and Awesome X Characters right alongside Cool and Awesome Y Characters, instead of weakening X to make Y look better ?
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Post by Iddy on Jan 30, 2019 20:03:43 GMT
I didn't mean they're more badass than everyone else, but I usually expect them to be somewhat tough. Regarding the Cassandra example, what I find baffling is that he complains about it. Warriors get injured all the time, so a little bruising should be nothing. Blackwall is also the oldest of Inquisition's Warrior Companions. As strong as he is, Rainier's no longer in his prime.
I think another part of this issue was the writers fearing if they acknowledged Blackwall being a better fighter than Cass or Aveline, they would come off as sexist. Of course, by stating that every heroine were better than the male heroes (I remember similar comments in Bull and Cassandra banter), they may have went overboard. When will some people learn you can have Cool and Awesome X Characters right alongside Cool and Awesome Y Characters, instead of weakening X to make Y look better ? That's my suspicion as well. It's kind of an old trope to assert a female character's strength by specifically stating she is better than her male peers.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 12, 2019 3:38:12 GMT
Hello fellow Blackwall fans.
Well I have been super duper in love with this guy for like ever. I've been waffling on whether to download the bi-Blackwall mod because just imagining romancing him makes me swoon. (Tried it with a female inquisitor, and it just is too uncomfortable for me; rather be a guy as per usual).
But I am wondering if you all can share how often Blackwall references his lover's gender. I know he says "my lady" a few times, but is it a whole lot? Does he ever refer to you as, say, "the woman" he loves or something?
If it's just too much I'll have to sigh and pass. But hoping it's not a frequent thing.
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Post by opuspace on Feb 21, 2019 0:59:08 GMT
Hello fellow Blackwall fans. Well I have been super duper in love with this guy for like ever. I've been waffling on whether to download the bi-Blackwall mod because just imagining romancing him makes me swoon. (Tried it with a female inquisitor, and it just is too uncomfortable for me; rather be a guy as per usual). But I am wondering if you all can share how often Blackwall references his lover's gender. I know he says "my lady" a few times, but is it a whole lot? Does he ever refer to you as, say, "the woman" he loves or something? If it's just too much I'll have to sigh and pass. But hoping it's not a frequent thing. I'm afraid that he does refer to the Inquisitor as "my lady" in Skyhold but there are a few gems that he says out on Storm Coast like asking, "Are you alright, love?" if they fall or get injured enough or after a fight. There's also a very subtle nod in the Hissing Wastes while visiting the Dwarven tombs of Fairel when he's telling his story of being stranded out in the desert at the end, but it's an omission of having been with a woman so it's a lot of effort for an easily missed moment. The ending too I'm afraid is keyed to a gender so I don't know if the mod would ease those references.
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Post by Artemis on Mar 6, 2019 18:41:31 GMT
Hello fellow Blackwall fans. Well I have been super duper in love with this guy for like ever. I've been waffling on whether to download the bi-Blackwall mod because just imagining romancing him makes me swoon. (Tried it with a female inquisitor, and it just is too uncomfortable for me; rather be a guy as per usual). But I am wondering if you all can share how often Blackwall references his lover's gender. I know he says "my lady" a few times, but is it a whole lot? Does he ever refer to you as, say, "the woman" he loves or something? If it's just too much I'll have to sigh and pass. But hoping it's not a frequent thing. I'm afraid that he does refer to the Inquisitor as "my lady" in Skyhold but there are a few gems that he says out on Storm Coast like asking, "Are you alright, love?" if they fall or get injured enough or after a fight. There's also a very subtle nod in the Hissing Wastes while visiting the Dwarven tombs of Fairel when he's telling his story of being stranded out in the desert at the end, but it's an omission of having been with a woman so it's a lot of effort for an easily missed moment. The ending too I'm afraid is keyed to a gender so I don't know if the mod would ease those references. It doesn't xD He has m'lady'd the CRAP out of me haha But I'm still enjoying it. At least I get some really great screencaps of him and me together, and it's such a sweet romance so far. Also, some of the lines have been voiced, which is always nice. Tbh I picture him saying "my lord" instead of "my lady" and it's still a bit weird. I'm just a Dalish hunter who got caught up in some crap; I'm no lord!
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Post by opuspace on Mar 8, 2019 3:43:53 GMT
I'm afraid that he does refer to the Inquisitor as "my lady" in Skyhold but there are a few gems that he says out on Storm Coast like asking, "Are you alright, love?" if they fall or get injured enough or after a fight. There's also a very subtle nod in the Hissing Wastes while visiting the Dwarven tombs of Fairel when he's telling his story of being stranded out in the desert at the end, but it's an omission of having been with a woman so it's a lot of effort for an easily missed moment. The ending too I'm afraid is keyed to a gender so I don't know if the mod would ease those references. It doesn't xD He has m'lady'd the CRAP out of me haha But I'm still enjoying it. At least I get some really great screencaps of him and me together, and it's such a sweet romance so far. Also, some of the lines have been voiced, which is always nice. Tbh I picture him saying "my lord" instead of "my lady" and it's still a bit weird. I'm just a Dalish hunter who got caught up in some crap; I'm no lord! I'm actually curious to see how well the mod works despite the controversy over orientation mods.
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Post by Artemis on Mar 8, 2019 6:05:31 GMT
It doesn't xD He has m'lady'd the CRAP out of me haha But I'm still enjoying it. At least I get some really great screencaps of him and me together, and it's such a sweet romance so far. Also, some of the lines have been voiced, which is always nice. Tbh I picture him saying "my lord" instead of "my lady" and it's still a bit weird. I'm just a Dalish hunter who got caught up in some crap; I'm no lord! I'm actually curious to see how well the mod works despite the controversy over orientation mods. I could give a skeever's ass about controversy xD The mod doesn't do anything beyond removing the gender lock. The romance plays out exactly the same. That's how all romance mods in DAI work. It's too bad folks can't manipulate the dialogue the way they did in DAO! Would be great to ditch all the "m'lady"s and other references to gender.
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Post by opuspace on Mar 8, 2019 6:22:40 GMT
I'm actually curious to see how well the mod works despite the controversy over orientation mods. I could give a skeever's ass about controversy xD The mod doesn't do anything beyond removing the gender lock. The romance plays out exactly the same. That's how all romance mods in DAI work. It's too bad folks can't manipulate the dialogue the way they did in DAO! Would be great to ditch all the "m'lady"s and other references to gender. That's fascinating. Always did like to see how different the mods make characters look and act even if I've no personal investment in altering canon characters. I'm sorry it's difficult to enjoy the Blackwall romance as much as you'd like.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 8, 2019 11:18:47 GMT
How old is Rainier?
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Mar 8, 2019 11:25:01 GMT
In his forties. Don't think we know exactly.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Mar 8, 2019 16:44:54 GMT
It doesn't xD He has m'lady'd the CRAP out of me haha But I'm still enjoying it. At least I get some really great screencaps of him and me together, and it's such a sweet romance so far. Also, some of the lines have been voiced, which is always nice. Tbh I picture him saying "my lord" instead of "my lady" and it's still a bit weird. I'm just a Dalish hunter who got caught up in some crap; I'm no lord! I'm actually curious to see how well the mod works despite the controversy over orientation mods. The only orientation mod that bothers me is the Dorian mod. I know it's not real. He's not real. It's just fantasy, but it bothers me. My problem, I know.
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Post by Artemis on Mar 10, 2019 6:37:53 GMT
Sexy-five years old
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Post by Artemis on Mar 10, 2019 6:39:10 GMT
I could give a skeever's ass about controversy xD The mod doesn't do anything beyond removing the gender lock. The romance plays out exactly the same. That's how all romance mods in DAI work. It's too bad folks can't manipulate the dialogue the way they did in DAO! Would be great to ditch all the "m'lady"s and other references to gender. That's fascinating. Always did like to see how different the mods make characters look and act even if I've no personal investment in altering canon characters. I'm sorry it's difficult to enjoy the Blackwall romance as much as you'd like. Oh pshaw! I'm having a great time! It's a shame he's gender-gated, just bad luck for me, but that seems to always be the case with BioWare. Here's hoping a handsome older warrior type finally becomes a mlm option in DA4 xD Though I can't imagine anyone appealing to me even more than Blackwall! Love his look, his voice, his backstory, his arc, ahhh.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 30, 2019 17:25:49 GMT
You know, Blackwall and a pious Inquisitor are a perfect fit.
Just think about the symbolism! Her Worship, the Herald of Andraste, grants redemption to a broken man.
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Post by vertigomez on May 8, 2019 15:44:23 GMT
Moment of appreciation for this gifset:
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Post by caridounette on May 24, 2020 15:22:12 GMT
So this was my first time making a Cadash inquisitor and Blackwall felt like he was written for her. I played Halamshiral first where you get hints he has an unsavory past in orlais (Cadash was thinking: cant beat Carta, can it?) then to Adamant where BW inspires the whole order (well he was a good warden even if he wasnt really one). It felt natural to give him a chance to atone as himself instead of making him a warden as I usually do (Cadash got her chance as the inquisitor instead of being forced to be the Herald of Andraste). I really got sucked in this playthrough and it got me considering the story from an other eye. I got the banter where BW defends their romance to Vivienne. It was pretty poignant and true to both characters (BW feeling that Viv is envious of them being able to choose to love freely while she is caught up in the Game). I even felt like doing the Decent with her (I dont do it with most of my characters who would have simply sent a team down there). I did it early, between Halamshiral and Adamant. Even got to imagine Blackwall chatting with Renn on one of their nightwatch/camp vigil. Would Renn have recognized BW isnt a warden but approve of taking the burden anyway? Would they have bonded over their affection for someone over their own stature? with BW being happy that Cadash is a surfacer so they can be together (unlike Volta and Renn) and Renn thinking that Cadash still has enough Stone sense to go for the beard. Only thing that felt a bit odd was the kiss in chains in the throne room after judgment. I guess its someone's kink and a good illustration of the status differential? Anyways, was a worthwile playthrough
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 25, 2020 15:22:21 GMT
My next playthrough might be as an elven female... just because of him ! He really was an excellent character and given the slightly dissapointing options for straight inquisitor... I might just climb that wall !
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Post by HabitsH on May 30, 2020 11:23:53 GMT
Blackwall / Rainier is my favourite love interest for the female Inquisitor.
If you truly want to experience a love interest story arc where the love interest is genuinely regretful and truly sorry for their past mistakes and atrocities and truly makes an effort to be better, Blackwall's the man.
The game merely tells us that Cullen feels sorry for what he believes and wants to do better but he doesn't show it. Solas definitely isn't feeling sorry or wants to do better, he's keen on repeating his tendency to execute grand plans with terrible consequences. Iron Bull disrespectfully assumes the protagonist is into being dommed.
None of them have Blackwall's level of show and tell story and character depiction. I also don't understand the gripe with 'My Lady'? He's merely being respectful.
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Post by HabitsH on May 30, 2020 11:26:05 GMT
Warriors are supposed to be badass, but the game really makes we sure Blackwall won't seem that way: - Varric tells him that Aveline is stronger. - Blackwall complains that sparring with Cassandra leaves him bruised. - He tells Vivienne that he knows he can't beat her. The game doesn't need to reasure us that Blackwall's a badass though - actions speak louder than words and he's basically unkillable with a few points invested in his specialisation. Damn right. Blackwall in gameplay is a tanking god whereas Iron Bull is tissue paper with a few skill points and AI set to auto.
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Jun 15, 2020 18:29:31 GMT
While Bull is generally my favorite romance, I definitely highly recommend Blackwall, my close second. He's got a great accent, an amazing first impression, a none-too-shabby specialization, a very respectful and smooth approach with the ladies, a good sense of humor to uncover, and a character arc with some depth (though not everyone finds it compelling).
I am disappointed that, according to some "metrics" (unofficial polls, thread-surfing, etc.), Blackwall seems to be significantly underappreciated. And the times I have run with his romance, I have never had the experience tainted by the infamous "barn scene." I can see how some find the way that plays out distasteful though. In my runs, when the Inquisitor and Blackwall are in the tavern, I always find it makes more sense to me for the Inquisitor to see Blackwall's distress and sadness, and suggest they spend time with their friends and comrades to buoy his spirits instead (even with my more flirty, charming Inquisitors).
How Blackwall's arc ends depends entirely on the Inquisitor I'm playing. My more execution-inclined, harsher Inquisitors generally leave him to his fate in Orlais. The last time I ran my canon, I broke up with Blackwall after Explanations when he tried to push the Inquisitor away. She eventually found love with The Iron Bull, but I appreciated the additional dialogue in the Orlesian prison from having completed some of the Blackwall romance earlier. It can be a difficult hurdle for some, confronting Blackwall's horrible past misdeeds, but some Inquisitors can be inclined more towards a little mercy or forgiveness.
I'm actually in the middle of reconsidering my canon to be Adaar/Blackwall instead of my Lavellan/Blackwall->The Iron Bull. The Iron Bull is very accepting of all races and creeds, but he never discusses those important identifiers in any meaningful way. On the other hand, Blackwall's acknowledgements would allow me to resurrect my favorite type of Inquisitor story: the faithful Andrastian whose faith is rewarded and accepts a larger role (which still works well with a Vashoth, whose family can adopt the dominant, local culture),
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Post by Iddy on Jul 22, 2020 12:38:09 GMT
Remember when Hawke fought Blackwall?
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Oct 21, 2020 15:14:14 GMT
So, I did go ahead with making Blackwall my canon romance. But, I feel it is too hypocritical for my particular Inquisitor to forgive Blackwall and continue the relationship. My Inquisitor goes mostly with executions, and she exiles the Wardens too.
I am going to have my Inquisitor end the relationship, but I am unsure whether to leave him in prison or have Josie barter his release for judgment. I thought I remember reading that there were some bugs in dialogue associated with leaving Blackwall in prison. Can anyone confirm if this is a thing? For instance, does Vivienne still ask about your "relationship" with Blackwall during Trespasser's spa day?
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Feb 26, 2021 3:01:23 GMT
So, I did go ahead with making Blackwall my canon romance.
I spoke too soon. But I never did verify about the dialogue.
I will absolutely make sure to invest in an alternate, pairing a female dwarf and Blackwall. Regardless, he will still have a dedicated slot in my party, at least until the reveal.
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 10, 2021 14:46:24 GMT
did someonesay.... baewall also. FEELS Hearing about Liddy always wrecks me.
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Mar 31, 2021 1:07:37 GMT
Hearing about Liddy always wrecks me.
As a Blackwall fan, I am somewhat disappointed that I haven't heard of Liddy until this moment. I looked up the name, and saw how I missed it. Most of my initial runs had no Cole, but I eventually incorporated him into my Inquisitor's adventures. On the other hand, I usually have Cole take Blackwall's slot after Ranier is left in an Orlesian prison, so they spent very little time together. The way I have written it up though, I should have a pretty good chance hearing this banter now. If I end up with my canon dwarf, there will be lots of opportunities for this to fire before Ranier's fate. However, if I go with my canon Qunari, Cole and Blackwall are only together for a couple of quests before a pardoned post-game, so, I'll be less likely to hear it.
Many are the tears shed, hidden in this tragic shell.
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