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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 12:17:32 GMT
I'm doing a complete Blackwall romance with my current lady Templar Inquisitor, Mattias. So far, it has been a roller coaster ride with these two, especially in events leading up to and after Revelations I see there was a discussion here about Blackwall being a gentlemen towards his lady love. In my run, the part that I liked was when Blackwall stood up against Dorian and Vivienne's snitching while they were exploring the Exalted Plains. Vivienne mocked the Inquisitor has no future with a nobody and Blackwall said, "Lady Vivienne, that woman leading us is giving everything she's got to save the world! She can be with whoever she wants, even if it's a nobody!" I hope you've enjoyed it! I was always surprised that Vivienne had no retort to that. I got the impression Vivienne was surprised at first, but stares at him with a simmering expression on her face. I also think she's envious of the lady Inquisitor.
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Post by opuspace on Oct 12, 2016 18:00:49 GMT
As for Blackwall, I like him even though I obviously find his past deeply troubling. I made him a Warden in my canon, and although the Trespasser slides made me feel a bit sad for him I still felt it was the right choice for my quizzy. What did you guys do? Pardon him? Make him a Warden? Force him into servitude? Perhaps left him in jail to his fate? It depends I guess on which part of Blackwall's actions is of the highest concern. If it's an issue with his impersonation of a Warden and deceiving the Inquisition, then making him a Warden turns the lie into truth. If it's concern over where he can do the most good for people, I personally, think it's best to leave him be. He's already proven that he'll help people without oversight and he won't be in a messed up situation of killing innocent people if we take Adamant into consideration. The Wardens are too...ruthless for someone as idealistic as Blackwall. The conscription option doesn't make a lot of sense if you're doing it out of some sense of self-righteousness because if you're appalled at what he did, the solution is to...perpetuate the lie?
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Post by opuspace on Oct 12, 2016 18:06:48 GMT
People just have this '' but he is so boring, what am I missing??? Can you explain what is the thing I might be missing on his character, because he is just so dull? Plus he is a lying monster how can you like him even after he did the bad thingies? '' It's kinda annoying, really. I can get if Blackwall's personality is not their cup of tea, but I keep raising an eyebrow at disliking him for reasons that I've seen several different beloved teammates who do exactly that and worse while no one's outraged at them.
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Post by melbella on Oct 13, 2016 0:36:51 GMT
What did you guys do? Pardon him? Make him a Warden? Force him into servitude? Perhaps left him in jail to his fate? I usually send him to the Wardens. My two Wallmances obviously didn't do that and one non-romance also pardoned him. Never did the servitude thing or left him to rot, but in one game I skipped triggering Revelations since I just couldn't handle the sad dog story again. He stayed until the end to defeat Cory but, per the codex entry in Trespasser, ended up turning himself in. That was the last anyone heard from him.
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Post by witchcocktor on Oct 13, 2016 10:41:32 GMT
*looks at the 130 page Solas discussion* *looks at the favorite party member polls* *looks at the amount of Solavellan art/fanfics* Yeah um I think you'll manage I wrote a longer response, but my stupid internet decided to shut down and didn't save it! So the short version; the Solas thread is a lovely place, but if you ventured outside it on the old boards you would see several threads dedicated to heaping abuse on Solas and graphically describing how they want to torture him. As for Blackwall, I like him even though I obviously find his past deeply troubling. I made him a Warden in my canon, and although the Trespasser slides made me feel a bit sad for him I still felt it was the right choice for my quizzy. What did you guys do? Pardon him? Make him a Warden? Force him into servitude? Perhaps left him in jail to his fate? Since this is a Blackwall thread I'm not going to discuss of Solas further. I do see what you're saying but Solas is a dick and I'm one of those who want to skin him alive. Solas has such a big, massive and passionate fanbase, so I'm sure you'll excuse the few who really hate him lol. I can never give Blackwall anything but freedom. He is my guy, my friend even if he lied. I can't give him to the wardens KNOWING what kind of a mess they are now, even if I didn't exile them. Blackwall doesn't belong there. Freedom for Blackwall or bust! Though I can see why making him a warden is fitting. I still can't do it though.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Oct 13, 2016 10:50:31 GMT
witchcocktor It's okay, I can totally understand why anyone would feel that way about Solas! I just prefer people not graphically describe torture in general. And I prefer not to be told that I'm mentally ill for liking him... So yeah, nothing more about Solas here I promise! I think my Inquisitor reasoned that his crime was so severe that some kind of justice was needed, but as a Warden already had tried to (in accordance with the rights the Wardens have) conscript him it was, in a way, just fulfilling what was about to happen so many years ago. Blackwall himself seemed fairly content with it, so I never felt regret about it. Two of my other quizzys (among them the quizzy who romanced him) set him free and one conscripted him (I felt bad about that one, but that was a part of her character). I have 5 other playthroughs, and I think all but one will either set him free or let him join the Wardens. I can't leave him in the dungeon though, I just can't!
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Post by witchcocktor on Oct 13, 2016 11:04:57 GMT
My canon Inquisitor doesn't really see himself as any kind of authority who can pass judgement and decide on the lives of those who've committed petty crimes and especially those who want to redeem themselves and feel guilt over what they've done. But I think above all my canon Inq's decision is based on their friendship, and how he doesn't want to lose him despite what he has done. I think there's a lot of sense in what the Inquisitor says to Blackwall when you give him his freedom, that he has to bear the burden of not being sentenced for his crimes, and not run away from them. Freedom can be a tough situation when you yourself have initially decided to a life behind bars. But to really come in terms with who you are and what you've done, and having to live with knowing that you may never be forgiven, that is a punishment in itself, which also pushes Blackwall to try his hardest to redeem and give back as much as he can. Ah, Blackwall
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Oct 13, 2016 11:11:58 GMT
Well, we do know from Trespasser slides that Blackwall uses his freedom to do good, so he does live up to your expectations. He seemed so earnest about the relationship with my quizzy, I'm stoked to see how it will develop in Trespasser!
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Post by Catilina on Oct 13, 2016 11:17:11 GMT
Always weird to me why so many people hate him... I don't have Inquisitor, who romanced him, but I always release him, and not (only) because I like him, rather because he took responsibility for what he did (even if it is not immediately) regret, and he really want to help to people. He is a good man, who recently made a terrible decision. I think, he deserves a second chance.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 13, 2016 11:29:36 GMT
My canon Inquisitor doesn't really see himself as any kind of authority who can pass judgement and decide on the lives of those who've committed petty crimes and especially those who want to redeem themselves and feel guilt over what they've done. So butchering an entire innocent family for gold is a 'petty crime', is it? Plus I don't see him showing any guilt for said 'petty crime'.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 13, 2016 11:47:45 GMT
My canon Inquisitor doesn't really see himself as any kind of authority who can pass judgement and decide on the lives of those who've committed petty crimes and especially those who want to redeem themselves and feel guilt over what they've done. So butchering an entire innocent family for gold is a 'petty crime', is it? Plus I don't see him showing any guilt for said 'petty crime'. You feel, your duty to judge the people, who love not innocent/guilty people in the game? I know, you likes only the innocent choir girls/boys, but why you can't just leave the people, who able to love a not too innocent companions? Why did you feel the need to tell always, everywhere: the guilty must be punished? This is very tiresome. This is a romance topic. It's no problem, if you have opposing views, and dont't think that is problem, if you write your opinion, but I also think, we all know, what Blackwall had done. You don't need to draw attention to it. Thank you.
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Post by opuspace on Oct 13, 2016 17:21:38 GMT
witchcocktor It's okay, I can totally understand why anyone would feel that way about Solas! I just prefer people not graphically describe torture in general. And I prefer not to be told that I'm mentally ill for liking him... So yeah, nothing more about Solas here I promise! I think my Inquisitor reasoned that his crime was so severe that some kind of justice was needed, but as a Warden already had tried to (in accordance with the rights the Wardens have) conscript him it was, in a way, just fulfilling what was about to happen so many years ago. Blackwall himself seemed fairly content with it, so I never felt regret about it. Two of my other quizzys (among them the quizzy who romanced him) set him free and one conscripted him (I felt bad about that one, but that was a part of her character). I have 5 other playthroughs, and I think all but one will either set him free or let him join the Wardens. I can't leave him in the dungeon though, I just can't! I'm sorry, Bunny, it's one thing to hate a character, it's another to treat a fan like that for liking said character. Bioware wanted people to be conflicted on their characters like Solas or Blackwall and they accomplished what they intended with Solas. So that's a low for them to insult you like that. I do hope you enjoy your Blackwall run and I'm glad you got your questions answered here.
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Post by opuspace on Oct 13, 2016 17:26:05 GMT
My canon Inquisitor doesn't really see himself as any kind of authority who can pass judgement and decide on the lives of those who've committed petty crimes and especially those who want to redeem themselves and feel guilt over what they've done. But I think above all my canon Inq's decision is based on their friendship, and how he doesn't want to lose him despite what he has done. I think there's a lot of sense in what the Inquisitor says to Blackwall when you give him his freedom, that he has to bear the burden of not being sentenced for his crimes, and not run away from them. Freedom can be a tough situation when you yourself have initially decided to a life behind bars. But to really come in terms with who you are and what you've done, and having to live with knowing that you may never be forgiven, that is a punishment in itself, which also pushes Blackwall to try his hardest to redeem and give back as much as he can. Ah, Blackwall In some ways, the pardon route is the most brutal. Having to face people he's wronged over and over is a rougher gauntlet than facing an execution that'll be over in a short enough time or hanging with other pots as a kettle should he be drafted to the Wardens. I think Bioware is going to make his being sent to the Wardens canonical.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Oct 13, 2016 17:39:21 GMT
opuspace The comment was never directed at me personally (I believe it was directed at someone else from the Solas-thread) but it was stated in such a way that it obviously included everyone who liked Solas. Personally I could never speak in such a way to anyone for liking a character - you can even like a completely despicable character like Rendon Howe without necessarily condoning his actions. Another question; did anyone of you realize that something was up with Blackwall before Revelations? Or was it a complete shock? I actually realized he wasn't a Warden because of two incidents: 1. The weird way he acted when you found "his" badge. 2. When I took him to the Deep Roads my quizzy asked how many Darkspawn were close by, and he responded something along the lines of "It's impossible to tell". I remember yelling "Fraud!" at the TV. So for me, no 2 gave him away completely, but I was surprised by the backstory - it was way more tragic than I expected. Edit* for clarity.
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Post by opuspace on Oct 13, 2016 18:03:37 GMT
opuspace The comment was never directed at me personally (I believe it was someone else from the Solas-thread) but it was stated in such a way that it obviously included everyone who liked Solas. Personally I could never speak in such a way to anyone for liking a character - you can even like a completely despicable character like Rendon Howe without necessarily condoning his actions. Another question; did anyone of you realize that something was up with Blackwall before Revelations? Or was it a complete shock? I actually realized he wasn't a Warden because of two incidents: 1. The weird way he acted when you found "his" badge. 2. When I took him to the Deep Roads my quizzy asked how many Darkspawn were close by, and he responded something along the lines of "It's impossible to tell". I remember yelling "Fraud!" at the TV. So for me, no 2 gave him away completely, but I was surprised by the backstory - it was way more tragic than I expected. Still, generalizing a fan base with no careful thinking, no consideration of the various reasons for why they like what they like is a huge douche act. Bonus points if they're harrassing a fan thread to make themselves feel superior. I'd say it was a build up of small details, the way he kept side-stepping questions but it was pretty much as you've pointed out when he had no helpful input on darkspawn that something was up. The most I can say was that I knew the other shoe was going to drop but I didn't know how bad until it came out. After having a VERY thorough discussion with him, it wasn't quite as bad as I thought but it was still very bad. In the end, I had to ask myself what the more important things were. Was he a danger to others while he was free? Was he ever going to be a threat in the future? Was he sincere in his remorse? We've seen him doing good things for others without payment, like how farmer Giles said. He was helping without being monitored so it wasn't as big a problem to fear that he'd slip back into his old self. Seriously, the guy has the worst freaking luck of all the characters.
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Post by fylimar on Oct 17, 2016 21:25:53 GMT
I think, some people just take fictional characters way too serious (in regard to the guy, who insulted a Solas fan - the story, bunny mentioned). It's a game with a nice story and some complex characters, it's good to be invested in it, but it shouldn't become too serious. Blackwall is a great character, I like him a lot, especially since I'm convinced, that he is serious about atoning and starting over. His romance is great - and yes, he is the perfect gentleman most of the time.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 17, 2016 22:03:20 GMT
So butchering an entire innocent family for gold is a 'petty crime', is it? Plus I don't see him showing any guilt for said 'petty crime'. You feel, your duty to judge the people, who love not innocent/guilty people in the game? I know, you likes only the innocent choir girls/boys, but why you can't just leave the people, who able to love a not too innocent companions? Why did you feel the need to tell always, everywhere: the guilty must be punished? This is very tiresome. This is a romance topic. It's no problem, if you have opposing views, and dont't think that is problem, if you write your opinion, but I also think, we all know, what Blackwall had done. You don't need to draw attention to it. Thank you. Where did you get me judging people who like Rainier? I have done no such thing. People are allowed to love, loathe, and everything in between whatever character they want. All I did was ask a question and give an opinion, things you in this very post say is okay.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 17, 2016 22:19:42 GMT
You feel, your duty to judge the people, who love not innocent/guilty people in the game? I know, you likes only the innocent choir girls/boys, but why you can't just leave the people, who able to love a not too innocent companions? Why did you feel the need to tell always, everywhere: the guilty must be punished? This is very tiresome. This is a romance topic. It's no problem, if you have opposing views, and dont't think that is problem, if you write your opinion, but I also think, we all know, what Blackwall had done. You don't need to draw attention to it. Thank you. Where did you get me judging people who like Rainier? I have done no such thing. People are allowed to love, loathe, and everything in between whatever character they want. All I did was ask a question and give an opinion, things you in this very post say is okay. I see pretty provocative what you wrote, especially in a romance topic. Maybe you don't wanted to judge the people, who likes Blackwall, but then I do not understand your motivation. Nevermind. I do not need to understand everything.
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Post by witchcocktor on Oct 17, 2016 22:19:50 GMT
Blackwall is lovely. Though I hafta confess, I finished my canon Inquisitor run and I rarely took Blackwall with me.. I replaced him with Varric oh shit. Sorry Blackwall, I'll give you more attention and space in my party next run which won't be any time soon but... it's the thought that matters!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 1:14:16 GMT
My canon Assassin Inquisitor romanced Blackwall at first without spending a night in the stables. But when the truth was revealed, she broke up and sent him to the Wardens. Cullen was her close friend, who helped her through the breakup aftermath. That eventually lead to them becoming lovers then husband and wife.
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Post by opuspace on Oct 20, 2016 2:36:00 GMT
My canon Assassin Inquisitor romanced Blackwall at first without spending a night in the stables. But when the truth was revealed, she broke up and sent him to the Wardens. Cullen was her close friend, who helped her through the breakup aftermath. That eventually lead to them becoming lovers then husband and wife. It flows strangely well and may be one of the few examples of romancing two LIs in a natural and believable manner.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 4:51:13 GMT
My canon Assassin Inquisitor romanced Blackwall at first without spending a night in the stables. But when the truth was revealed, she broke up and sent him to the Wardens. Cullen was her close friend, who helped her through the breakup aftermath. That eventually lead to them becoming lovers then husband and wife. It flows strangely well and may be one of the few examples of romancing two LIs in a natural and believable manner. Yeah, it's one of the reasons why this is my canon. Plus I grew to love this Inquisitor.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Oct 21, 2016 20:36:23 GMT
I always do all the things. So I've redeemed Blackwall, leashed him to the Wardens, enslaved him to the Inquisition, and left him to die.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Oct 24, 2016 17:55:37 GMT
My canon Inquisitor had romanced Blackwall and she gave him his freedom, continued to love him, and eventually trusted him again. The ending slides for her and Blackwall are .
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