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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 11, 2017 18:11:54 GMT
Exactly what it says in title.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Bear in mind, I'm talking about the classic Lawful GOOD (more emphasis on good than law) Paladin, not the cancerous Lawful Stupid interpretation.
Thank you in advance.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 11, 2017 18:14:56 GMT
Exactly what it says in title. Any advice would be appreciated. Bear in mind, I'm talking about the classic Lawful GOOD (more emphasis on good than law) Paladin, not the cancerous Lawful Stupid interpretation. Thank you in advance. You want to play as Chantry Paladin (Templar) – lawful, or you want to play a warrior who is good? Lawful good in DA-universe is an oxymoron, I suppose.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 11, 2017 18:17:18 GMT
Exactly what it says in title. Any advice would be appreciated. Bear in mind, I'm talking about the classic Lawful GOOD (more emphasis on good than law) Paladin, not the cancerous Lawful Stupid interpretation. Thank you in advance. Do you want to know what choices to make or what skills to get? Or both?
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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 11, 2017 18:20:25 GMT
Exactly what it says in title. Any advice would be appreciated. Bear in mind, I'm talking about the classic Lawful GOOD (more emphasis on good than law) Paladin, not the cancerous Lawful Stupid interpretation. Thank you in advance. Do you want to know what choices to make or what skills to get? Or both? A bit of both, but the roleplay choices take priority
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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 11, 2017 18:22:47 GMT
Exactly what it says in title. Any advice would be appreciated. Bear in mind, I'm talking about the classic Lawful GOOD (more emphasis on good than law) Paladin, not the cancerous Lawful Stupid interpretation. Thank you in advance. You want to play as Chantry Paladin (Templar) – lawful, or you want to play a warrior who is good? Lawful good in DA-universe is an oxymoron, I suppose. It doesn't need to fit perfectly, it could be more of Neutral Good character with Lawful leanings Think of the character as representing what the Chantry and Templars SHOULD be, as opposed to how they are
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Post by Catilina on Sept 11, 2017 18:27:07 GMT
You want to play as Chantry Paladin (Templar) – lawful, or you want to play a warrior who is good? Lawful good in DA-universe is an oxymoron, I suppose. It doesn't need to fit perfectly, it could be more of Neutral Good character with Lawful leanings Think of the character as representing what the Chantry and Templars SHOULD be, as opposed to how they are You speak about the spirit of the law, I suppose you can be "lawful" good, with some law-breaking tools. What do you want to know exactly?
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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 11, 2017 18:34:02 GMT
Really just any opinion or insight how I can roleplay certain decisions or segments
I like to always get second opinions before I do anything
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 18:46:22 GMT
Really just any opinion or insight how I can roleplay certain decisions or segments I like to always get second opinions before I do anything I would decide if my character truly believes in the beginning if s/he is chosen by Andraste and go from there, are you a Seeker or are you a Prophet? You will need to define what Maker's law is for yourself, because in many cases in Inquisition you do play a Judge. I think as long as you treat people fairily and allow for redemption, while deal with those who show no remorse harshly, you will be able to find a decent Lawful Good footing. I'd also be distrustful of everything that comes from the Fade, be it magic, spirits or demons. There is nothing that says you cannot be inquisitive about it, but heightened awareness and erring on the side of caution imo is more likely than embracing it. I'd RP talking to Giselle, Leliana and Cassandra a lot, seeing that they are major Chantry characters. Other than that, the traditional knightly motives like protection of the weak, charity and personal humility is easily enough to express in Inquisition. I would either select Josephine, Cassandra or celibacy.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 11, 2017 18:58:50 GMT
Really just any opinion or insight how I can roleplay certain decisions or segments I like to always get second opinions before I do anything It's not too hard in Inquisition, the wheel working as DA2, just less fun, I suppose. The top answer is similar as Hawke's blue answer, the middle is rather sarcastic, the bottom is more rude/direct. I suppose a good character is rather a recruiter than an executioner, and if the Inquisitor as a pious Andrastian, trust better in Templars than the Mages, can go for the Templars (if doesn't bother him/her, that at the first meeting, the leader of the Templars punches a Chantry mother, and send Inquisitor to the hell, but the Mages' leader asks for his/her help)
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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 11, 2017 20:04:15 GMT
I just thought of two points where I need help with
Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts; and Trespasser
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Post by Catilina on Sept 11, 2017 20:13:45 GMT
I just thought of two points where I need help with Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts; and Trespasser I don't think there's "bad" or "good" choice... it depends on the taste. Gaspard wants Orlasis great again, Celene more peaceful. Briala can represent the interests of elves. Trespasser? I don't see even the "Inquisition work as peacekeeper organization for Divine Victoria", or to "disband the Inquisition for safety" as bad decisions, both can fit a good, faithful Kinght character. again depending on the character's viewpoint. As a pious Andrastian knight, I suppose only two Divine valid: Cassandra and Leliana. As conservative Knight, Cassandra's more believable.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Sept 11, 2017 20:52:06 GMT
I would think a Chantry paladin would most likely keep Celene alive and just have her ruling alone, but I could see a more pragmatic (or vengeful saying they don't agree with Celene) choosing Gaspard.
As for Trespasser, probably keep the Inquisition and stop Solas.
Just try to imagine what other DA characters, that are similar to your Inquisitor, would do.
Aveline Sebastian Maybe Wynne Cassandra Cullen
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Post by Catilina on Sept 11, 2017 21:00:04 GMT
I would think a Chantry paladin would most likely keep Celene alive and just have her ruling alone, but I could see a more pragmatic (or vengeful saying they don't agree with Celene) choosing Gaspard. As for Trespasser, probably keep the Inquisition and stop Solas. Just try to imagine what other DA characters, that are similar to your Inquisitor, would do. Aveline Sebastian Maybe Wynne Cassandra Cullen Sebastian? The Princeling of Vengeance? No. He has so many temptations, and so weak to resist. He tries but fails easily.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Sept 11, 2017 21:10:30 GMT
I would think a Chantry paladin would most likely keep Celene alive and just have her ruling alone, but I could see a more pragmatic (or vengeful saying they don't agree with Celene) choosing Gaspard. As for Trespasser, probably keep the Inquisition and stop Solas. Just try to imagine what other DA characters, that are similar to your Inquisitor, would do. Aveline Sebastian Maybe Wynne Cassandra Cullen Sebastian? The Princeling of Vengeance? No. He has so many temptations, and so weak to resist. He tries but fails easily. I think he is a fine example of the type of character the OP wants to play. His differing choices just go to show that you can play a Chantry paladin character and still make decisions that are the less obvious choice. Sebastian is only vengeful in the game because his family was slaughtered. Hawke can influence him to keep with his vows, though. As for after the game, Sebastian is vengeful because his mentor was murdered and her killer allowed to walk away free. Either way, I think his mindset is a good one to use if you're role-playing a Chantry paladin.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 11, 2017 21:13:47 GMT
Sebastian? The Princeling of Vengeance? No. He has so many temptations, and so weak to resist. He tries but fails easily. I think he is a fine example of the type of character the OP wants to play. His differing choices just go to show that you can play a Chantry paladin character and still make decisions that are the less obvious choice. Sebastian is only vengeful in the game because his family was slaughtered. Hawke can influence him to keep with his vows, though. As for after the game, Sebastian is vengeful because his mentor was murdered and her killer allowed to walk away free. Either way, I think his mindset is a good one to use if you're role-playing a Chantry paladin. No. Sebastian so easily fails. He needs good circumstances if he wants to be good. If you say, that Sebastian's a good Knight, then I say, Anders better than him. Twisted idea? Less than Sebastian's a good Knight. Sebastian's vengefulness against Anders and Hawke perhaps understandable. But against Kirkwall, after 3 years, in the middle of a world catastrophe – I can't call it "legitimate vengeance"... but I can call it an abuse of political and military power, for personal revenge. A real Knight, a good kind, right? Sebastian's a good character, really underrated. But he's not a "good" Knight. He only can be IF he has the appropriate circumstances. If not, he will fail. This is a very good RP-concept, for a fallen Knight, not for a good Knight. But... you're right about it, that his mindset, about who he wants to be, and his bright side is suitable to model an Andrastian Knight.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Sept 12, 2017 8:55:46 GMT
I think he is a fine example of the type of character the OP wants to play. His differing choices just go to show that you can play a Chantry paladin character and still make decisions that are the less obvious choice. Sebastian is only vengeful in the game because his family was slaughtered. Hawke can influence him to keep with his vows, though. As for after the game, Sebastian is vengeful because his mentor was murdered and her killer allowed to walk away free. Either way, I think his mindset is a good one to use if you're role-playing a Chantry paladin. No. Sebastian so easily fails. He needs good circumstances if he wants to be good. If you say, that Sebastian's a good Knight, then I say, Anders better than him. Twisted idea? Less than Sebastian's a good Knight. Sebastian's vengefulness against Anders and Hawke perhaps understandable. But against Kirkwall, after 3 years, in the middle of a world catastrophe – I can't call it "legitimate vengeance"... but I can call it an abuse of political and military power, for personal revenge. A real Knight, a good kind, right? Sebastian's a good character, really underrated. But he's not a "good" Knight. He only can be IF he has the appropriate circumstances. If not, he will fail. This is a very good RP-concept, for a fallen Knight, not for a good Knight. But... you're right about it, that his mindset, about who he wants to be, and his bright side is suitable to model an Andrastian Knight. The OP wanted a Chantry paladin. Sebastian has strong connections to his faith. Notice how I also listed Aveline, even though she never shows to be exceptionally religious. I gave a list of characters to potentially use in OP's role-play to make their character. I'm not arguing that Sebastian is perfect or a paragon of virtue. I'm only suggesting his mindset would be a good one for a Chantry paladin character.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 12, 2017 9:25:21 GMT
No. Sebastian so easily fails. He needs good circumstances if he wants to be good. If you say, that Sebastian's a good Knight, then I say, Anders better than him. Twisted idea? Less than Sebastian's a good Knight. Sebastian's vengefulness against Anders and Hawke perhaps understandable. But against Kirkwall, after 3 years, in the middle of a world catastrophe – I can't call it "legitimate vengeance"... but I can call it an abuse of political and military power, for personal revenge. A real Knight, a good kind, right? Sebastian's a good character, really underrated. But he's not a "good" Knight. He only can be IF he has the appropriate circumstances. If not, he will fail. This is a very good RP-concept, for a fallen Knight, not for a good Knight. But... you're right about it, that his mindset, about who he wants to be, and his bright side is suitable to model an Andrastian Knight. The OP wanted a Chantry paladin. Sebastian has strong connections to his faith. Notice how I also listed Aveline, even though she never shows to be exceptionally religious. I gave a list of characters to potentially use in OP's role-play to make their character. I'm not arguing that Sebastian is perfect or a paragon of virtue. I'm only suggesting his mindset would be a good one for a Chantry paladin character. Aveline's religious. I think she's a good example, in every viewpoint. She's not a bigot, but lawful. Good, but still has some flaws. Even if we accept, that Sebastian's a good model to an Andrastian "lawful good" character, he's rather a Monk than a Knight. He's not that protective than Aveline, Cassandra, Cullen etc.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Sept 12, 2017 13:38:14 GMT
The OP wanted a Chantry paladin. Sebastian has strong connections to his faith. Notice how I also listed Aveline, even though she never shows to be exceptionally religious. I gave a list of characters to potentially use in OP's role-play to make their character. I'm not arguing that Sebastian is perfect or a paragon of virtue. I'm only suggesting his mindset would be a good one for a Chantry paladin character. Aveline's religious. I think she's a good example, in every viewpoint. She's not a bigot, but lawful. Good, but still has some flaws. Even if we accept, that Sebastian's a good model to an Andrastian "lawful good" character, he's rather a Monk than a Knight. He's not that protective than Aveline, Cassandra, Cullen etc. Aveline is Andrastian, but I don't think she's religious enough to build the Inquisition on faith.
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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 13, 2017 16:31:49 GMT
What should be done with the Grey Wardens?
And should he vow to stop Solas or redeem him?
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Post by Catilina on Sept 13, 2017 17:18:35 GMT
What should be done with the Grey Wardens? And should he vow to stop Solas or redeem him? It's just depend on your hero. There's no "good" or "bad" decision. If your knight think, that the Wardens are still dangerous, then better if keep them away from the Inquisition, but if s/he tink, that they are useful, and able to redeem themselves, then recruit them. If your knight think, that Solas are evil, and doesn't deserve anything just death, then swear to stop him, but if s/he sees anything good in Solas, then try to redeem him. Both decisions are "good", I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 17:26:01 GMT
I just thought of two points where I need help with Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts; and Trespasser It very much depends on perspective. I would select to support Celine ruling alone because it's lawful, but can see the case for Gaspard because Cullen suggests that. I would keep the Wardens as they have been cleansed of taint. In Trespasser, an attempt to bring Solas to the light makes sense to me given Solas potential for redemption not yet being used up. I would carry on with Inquisition if I was playing a Seeker, but disband it if I were playing a Maker's Chosen.
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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 14, 2017 17:34:31 GMT
I'm also trying to figure out some RP ideas for some characters I have planned.
These characters include: A Male Qunari Reaver A Male Dwarf Champion A Female Qunari Necromancer
Any suggestions?
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Post by fylimar on Sept 15, 2017 16:52:55 GMT
About the paladin, I think, letting Celene rule alone would be a good choice. I'm not sure about Florienne though. A very lawful person would probably execute her for her crimes. Making her a spy for the inquisition is probably totally out of question here. The jester thing too. And I guess, a paladin, who is worth that name (I'm thinking Ajantis or Keldorn here) would probably swear to stop Solas by any means necessary, but still would leave room for remeption in case, Solas can be persuaded to leave his quest. About the other characters: The Qunari necromancer would probably be Tal Vashoth and an apostate in the eye of the church. Chances are, she was hunted at some point, so it would make sense for her, to be very careful around the chantry folk like Cass, Cullen, Leliana and even Vivienne. Maybe she could ease up a bit once she get, that they don't want to harm her. She would probably be more inclined to help the mages in Redcliffe and stay away from the templars, so IHW instead of CotJ. It might be because I'm reading a series of novels with a necromancer as the protagonist (does anyone know the Johannes Cabal novels? Highly recommended for fans of Pratchett, Aaranovich and Gaiman), but to me, necromancers are not usually social graceful (and I think, Cass said that about her mortalitasi uncle too), so letting her fail a bit in the game at the Winter Palace would be realistic I guess - and you don't need the full court approval anyway. The dwarf could be totally clueless about human culture - I did play my dwarf that way: she was very naiv about anything chantry or the Orlesian game, Dalish... and she asked even the totally stupid questions - it's fun, when even Solas looses his patience a bit . Other than that ... I don't know. The dwarven warrior background is Carta too? If so, play him tough. Execute some of the prisoners, conscript templars or mages, be a bit more unforgiving than normal. Sadly, I have nothing about the male Qunari warrior - he shouldn't be a second Iron Bull, I guess. Other than that - maybe he hasn't left the Qun on his own accord and wants to redeem himself? In that case, sacrificing the Chargers and doing the Qun wartable missions would be the way to go. Trying to weaken the church by not helping the templars or conscripting them and convince Cass to disband the Seekers. Making the most controverse choice Divine, which would probably either be hardened Leliana or Viv (because mage)
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Sept 16, 2017 9:32:13 GMT
I just thought of two points where I need help with Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts; and Trespasser I think a Paladinesque character could do either Celene ruling alone or Celene and Briala, though perhaps Celene and Briala would fit better considering that it means the most helpless members in society have a voice in court. Gaspard, either alone or with Briala, would be out because you need to deliberately choose to allow Celene to be assassinated; this is arguably not Good and definitely not Lawful. And the public truce option is enabled by blackmailing all three players into it, which is probably neither. As for Trespasser: well, creating a peacekeeping force under the Divine seems to be the more Lawful decision, whereas disbanding your group rather than submitting it to oversight seems more Chaotic. And I'm not sure either one is more Good than the other, so if you want Lawful Good, you should probably focus on Lawful. And I think the paladinesque character would want Solas to see the error of his ways, rather than immediately rushing in for the kill the way the Stop Solas speech suggests they will. (I think a true paladin would be willing to see Solas dead if they had to, but I've never gotten the impression that the Redeeming Inquisitor would take the world ending over Solas dying if it came to that.) What should be done with the Grey Wardens? Hm. I'm not sure either "Lawful" or "Good" have much to offer here. I guess you could argue that keeping them around means they don't face justice for their crimes? Though you could also argue that the mages who actually go through with the binding (plus Clarel) are the criminals, and that since they're all dead the paladin's free to just focus on what seems like a better idea at the time.
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Post by Artemis on Sept 16, 2017 22:27:18 GMT
Wicked Eyes, Wicked Hearts: Celene and Briala. Lawful Good would not assassinate the reigning monarch and would support her since she is the "rightful" heir to the throne. As said above, Briala is a voice for the "little people," and the good side of Lawful Good would appreciate reuniting two lovers.
Here Lies the Abyss: the Grey Warden companion would remain behind because it is a matter of Duty and Honor that the Lawful Good character would respect, and they also would not feel it's right to allow Hawke to sacrifice themself to "pay" for a crime that they didn't truly commit. As for what happens to the wardens, Lawful Neutral would probably punish the wardens, but Lawful Good will forgive them and ask them to help fight Corypheus.
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