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Post by oyabun on Sept 28, 2016 20:28:53 GMT
Redeem, of course. Solas is not an evil person, we've seen throughout the main game that he cares about people. So if we were given the chance to redeem him, without causing the destruction of the inhabitants of Thedas, I don't see why we wouldn't take it. Evil is a word that nobody is able to define.I mean pretty much with relativism one could in theory justify even an Archdemon and see his actions as good.
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Post by oyabun on Sept 28, 2016 20:34:28 GMT
I've always hated that choice at the end of Trespasser because it seems so contrived. If the Inquisitor's story is really meant to be over, why ask them to decide? The daft part is that if you are kneeling there in front of a guy who can turn you to stone with a look and is the only person who can save you, why would you threaten him? If you are intending killing him you still need to survive to do so. If you want to redeem him are you really going to risk the survival of the entire world if the opportunity arose to take him down and yet you hadn't yet persuaded him of his error? I loved Solas in the main game. He was able to say all the things to the other companions that I wanted to but wasn't allowed to do so. His regard for me seemed genuine and I respected him. We didn't see eye to eye on everything but I still thought of him as a friend. Then to discover that the whole time he had been deceiving me was hard to take. Were any of the sentiments he expressed genuine? It was something of a shock to discover that Thedas had been saved by Corypheus. I couldn't believe it when he said that we deserved better but he was still going ahead with his plan. Then when I asked why and he said he didn't want to give me too much information, I was livid. So I said I would stop him by any means possible. Whilst my Lavellan tried to be merciful when he could, it was not totally out of character. After all he allowed Celene to die for what she did to the elves in Halamshiral, then put Briala in charge of Gaspard. Mind you, he didn't feel entirely right about doing that because he could have stopped it. So a small part of him does understand where Solas is coming from; probably why he does feel so repelled by it because it does seem to be a dark reflection of himself. If he caught up with him again, he might end up trying to redeem him. It would depend on the circumstances. Which is why I feel the decision is making empty threats or promises on the basis of incomplete information and without knowing what the future might hold. For all we know, the prison of the Evanuris might be breaking down regardless and they will bust out before he takes any action. In which case we might actually need Solas to deal with it. Thedas wasn't saved by Corypheus the breach he created would have eventually caused more damages than Solas plan.
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Post by xerrai on Sept 28, 2016 20:39:22 GMT
Huh. You know, I honestly expected the "redeemers" to be a distinct minority against the "killers". Sixty votes in and around 70% wants to redeem him if possible.
Personality aside, Solas has done or will do some pretty terrible things in order to achieve his goal. I expected most to kill him in their anger toward his audacity to leave thousands, if not millions of lives forfeit. Even if his reasons may be somewhat sympathetic to some.
As a redeemer myself, I am a little bit surprised to see the results. I honestly thought the 'killers' would get at least 60% of the split.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 29, 2016 1:10:36 GMT
Kill him
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Post by melbella on Sept 29, 2016 2:56:12 GMT
I voted "kill" since all my Inquisitors (except for maybe one) who didn't romance him have vowed to stop him by any means necessary. Of course the Solasmancers will try to convince him to change his plans but will kill him if there ends up being no other choice.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 29, 2016 5:29:44 GMT
I'm on the stop at all costs option. But I may end up changing that if Bioware interprets it too extremely on imports. I don't want the Inquisitor/Inquisition to be all crazy and needlessly violent. Yeah. If in DA4 my Inquisitors who want to stop Solas even if it means killing him is taken by Bioware and turned to willing to pay any price, like killing innocent people, then I'm changing to Redeem.
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Post by our_lady_of_darkness on Sept 29, 2016 6:34:03 GMT
As other people mentioned here that depends entirely on the character and his/her relationship with Solas. My benevolent Adaar chose redeem, but things will be different this time around with my next Adaar, who considers Solas to be a mystery. And she doesn't do mystery Having said that, I keep wondering what Solas would do if he were in my position. Would he kill or redeem my Inky, if her plan was to include mass annihilation in the name of, let's say, Qun? He does spare her life in Tresspasser, but I'm assuming that's because he doesn't really see her as a threat, or decides to act out of (rather twisted) compassion.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Sept 30, 2016 1:06:49 GMT
All but one of my Inquisitors will try to redeem Solas. My current male elf Inquisitor is going to be the first one of my Inquisitors that will be intent on killing Solas and ending his destruction of innocent beings. I'm playing him as a friend of Solas but when he finds out what Solas is trying to do, he is going to try to save the world from Solas. He's going to be angry at what Solas has done and want to do in the future.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Sept 30, 2016 8:46:22 GMT
Redeem, of course. Solas is not an evil person, we've seen throughout the main game that he cares about people. So if we were given the chance to redeem him, without causing the destruction of the inhabitants of Thedas, I don't see why we wouldn't take it. Evil is a word that nobody is able to define.I mean pretty much with relativism one could in theory justify even an Archdemon and see his actions as good. And that's why we don't use relativism.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 30, 2016 9:57:35 GMT
(Hmmm... 51:20 redeem. I'm curious, what about for example Anders: kill or redeem?)
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Post by MarilynRobert on Sept 30, 2016 13:32:35 GMT
As other people mentioned here that depends entirely on the character and his/her relationship with Solas. My benevolent Adaar chose redeem, but things will be different this time around with my next Adaar, who considers Solas to be a mystery. And she doesn't do mystery Having said that, I keep wondering what Solas would do if he were in my position. Would he kill or redeem my Inky, if her plan was to include mass annihilation in the name of, let's say, Qun? He does spare her life in Tresspasser, but I'm assuming that's because he doesn't really see her as a threat, or decides to act out of (rather twisted) compassion. He spares your life because you have something that he wants.
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Post by phoray on Sept 30, 2016 13:32:56 GMT
(Hmmm... 51:20 redeem. I'm curious, what about for example Anders: kill or redeem?) A new post! But won't get as much attention and Anders has already done his crime. If Solas succeeds and the choice to kill is THEN given, how many will execute for crime, execute out of spite (Solas will not get to see results of actions) or leave him be, because it can't be undone so further violence on your part is meaningless?
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Post by Toyish Batphone on Sept 30, 2016 16:07:47 GMT
Kill him or depower him and then imprison him. Currently there is no option to depower him and lock him up so kill it is. My Inquisitor felt betrayed.
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Post by oyabun on Sept 30, 2016 16:11:11 GMT
Evil is a word that nobody is able to define.I mean pretty much with relativism one could in theory justify even an Archdemon and see his actions as good. And that's why we don't use relativism. Among all the branches of thoughts that philosophy has created over the course of history people seem to be more affected by relativism especially in this 21st century,overall in this line of thoughts nothing truly matters because nothing is a truth.There is even a cult in Thedas that worship the blight and think it brings justice in the world because it kill people.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 30, 2016 17:18:32 GMT
(Hmmm... 51:20 redeem. I'm curious, what about for example Anders: kill or redeem?) A new post! But won't get as much attention and Anders has already done his crime. If Solas succeeds and the choice to kill is THEN given, how many will execute for crime, execute out of spite (Solas will not get to see results of actions) or leave him be, because it can't be undone so further violence on your part is meaningless? Good question, so much can change. We could get new information like how the Evanuris are going to bring the Veil down anyway to power their release so Solas' actions really are necessary as an example or we could end up witnessing him commit an atrocity before he reaches the end goal or it could be both. Our current decisions will change depending on what new information is discovered about Solas' motives. I'm willing to bet there's more than what he says and that his decision isn't as voluntary as it looks.
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Post by grallon on Sept 30, 2016 17:26:54 GMT
Kill isn't quite enough - before he dies I want him broken at the feet of my Inquisitor whom he betrayed. Alternately, and if there was a way to do so without unleashing them, I'd hand him over to his pals the Evanuris.
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Post by fylimar on Sept 30, 2016 17:40:24 GMT
I only did one playthrough with Trespasser so far. But my archer Lavellan was good friends with Solas and during the conversation at the end of Trespasser he said something along the line, that he would be glad, if she finds a reason for stopping him from bringing down the veil. It sounds as if he isn't so sure anymore, so she gave him the promise that she will try, which I find kind of nice. Maybe he can be stopped with arguments rather than with knifes, he is the Spock if Thedas after all with his logic and intellect . And I'm not even one of the many Solas fans around here, I just prefer grey over black and white and hope, that there will be an option for that, if the Solas plot will play a role again (which I think, it will, because it would be a waste to not continue it). My Cadash is best friends with him too - I'm eager to see, if the conversation is similar (please don't spoil)
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Post by arkngt on Sept 30, 2016 17:54:21 GMT
Solas is such a likable person throughout the entire journey... Is he really? Granted, I've only had him as a companion during the first part of the game, but I find him annoyingly full of himself and w/o a sense of humor then and also when talking to him in Skyhold later on. It's like whatever you say, Solas disapproves. Nothing about him makes me want to travel around with him.
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 30, 2016 17:56:41 GMT
I chose redeem because my Inquisitor considered Solas a friend once and still saw something good in him, something worthy of redemption. Alas, I'll be playing a different character in DA4, one who has no such feelings...
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Post by phoray on Sept 30, 2016 18:02:54 GMT
Solas is such a likable person throughout the entire journey... Is he really? Granted, I've only had him as a companion during the first part of the game, but I find him annoyingly full of himself and w/o a sense of humor then and also when talking to him in Skyhold later on. It's like whatever you say, Solas disapproves. Nothing about him makes me want to travel around with him. My first time, I was playing an open minded curious mage that hung out with him the entire game. They were good friends. My team was also Cole and Blackwall/Cassandra, two people Solas is really respectful to in party banter. My second time, I was playing a mildly uncomfortable about magic rogue. They were not good friends and Solas is not very nice to Sera so I kicked him out and replaced with Dorian. Solas' dialogue really can go a negative direction if you aren't the former (curious and want to learn and hear his stories.) And I've never not gotten his, "You are so stupid for allying with the Grey Wardens" speech. I can imagine that if people heard nothing but those speeches, their opinion of him would be pretty low indeed.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 30, 2016 18:24:13 GMT
Is he really? Granted, I've only had him as a companion during the first part of the game, but I find him annoyingly full of himself and w/o a sense of humor then and also when talking to him in Skyhold later on. It's like whatever you say, Solas disapproves. Nothing about him makes me want to travel around with him. My first time, I was playing an open minded curious mage that hung out with him the entire game. They were good friends. My team was also Cole and Blackwall/Cassandra, two people Solas is really respectful to in party banter. My second time, I was playing a mildly uncomfortable about magic rogue. They were not good friends and Solas is not very nice to Sera so I kicked him out and replaced with Dorian. Solas' dialogue really can go a negative direction if you aren't the former (curious and want to learn and hear his stories.) And I've never not gotten his, "You are so stupid for allying with the Grey Wardens" speech. I can imagine that if people heard nothing but those speeches, their opinion of him would be pretty low indeed. It's understandable that people don't like characters when they see nothing but negative reactions. It's interesting to see a character at their best and at their worst to get a feel for who they are as a person and to see how they clash with our PCs according to the PCs beliefs. I like how you got different outcomes because of different beliefs your Inquisitors have.
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Post by fchopin on Oct 1, 2016 0:00:14 GMT
I have not played trespasser yet so can not vote.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 2, 2016 10:00:49 GMT
Kill isn't quite enough - before he dies I want him broken at the feet of my Inquisitor whom he betrayed. Alternately, and if there was a way to do so without unleashing them, I'd hand him over to his pals the Evanuris. Sealing him in the same prison they are sealed in for all eternity does seem like a poetic punishment.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 2, 2016 17:37:34 GMT
I have never not been friends with Solas but I have watched the exchanges on You Tube with an Inquisitor whom he does not approve of and I find them very revealing. In some ways you learn more about him than you do as a friend, may be because he is less guarded and so willing to speak his mind. The exchanges if the Inquisitor has actually claimed the title of Herald of Andraste to be true is wonderfully caustic if he doesn't approve of them. Even if you don't like what he says about the Grey Wardens, it is still revealing, as is his conversation with one of the companions about Corypheus drinking at 3 chalices of magic, Fade, elven and Blight and one of them (the latter) is poisoned. His reaction if they kill Abelas and his sentinels also makes it quite clear how he views modern elves; he calls Abelas and the sentinels the last true elves. Which does make you wonder who exactly those elves are who are rushing off to join him and if they are modern elves, if they realise they really don't count.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Oct 2, 2016 19:03:24 GMT
I think most of my characters want to save him or at least try to. But if he stays on his current path then he will be taken out
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