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Post by Kaazmiin on Nov 8, 2016 22:38:11 GMT
If I truly feel that there is a chance to save Solas from himself (before he does something unforgivable) then most of my Inquisitors would take the option to redeem him. If he has already killed countless innocents by the time we get to make the decision (if we get to make it at all), I think even my Solasmancer would kill him - for his own sake, so that he cannot commit even more mistakes, and for the sake of Thedas.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Nov 10, 2016 2:15:37 GMT
Depends on which inquisitor. My Lavallen who romanced him though....I think I'm going to go with kill.
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Post by Nihilus on Nov 10, 2016 2:26:12 GMT
Tried to redeem, but only because kill seems too extreme. At least for now. When the time comes and the only choices are to kill or let him go, then kill for sure. I'm very low on sympathy for the guy.
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 10, 2016 4:22:40 GMT
They imply at the end a very large number of Elves from across Thedas now follow him. Honestly, I'm dreading it a bit as this sounds like it could end very badly for elves in general. I hope there'll be some way to avert all-out war or at least minimize it. This could be easily be complicated even further if the Evanuris get involved (which they inevitably will, it's only a matter of when). In the end, Kill or Redeem? I'll take whichever path spares the Elves the most grief.
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Post by deebo305 on Nov 10, 2016 6:21:26 GMT
I like how people tend to forget so quickly that Solas basically admits to being responsible for the deaths of everyone at the conclave. He basically handed his orb to Corypheus causing the deaths of thousands
The guy is not innocent by any stretch of the imagination then he say I'm gonna go off and kill again but this time I'll do it when everything seems fine?
Yea it didn't even take me a second to decide that killing him is the way to go
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Post by xerrai on Nov 12, 2016 3:13:52 GMT
I like how people tend to forget so quickly that Solas basically admits to being responsible for the deaths of everyone at the conclave. He basically handed his orb to Corypheus causing the deaths of thousands I would not so much say forget so much as I would say overlook. The lives taken at the conclave pale in comparison to the lives lost when he put up the veil--and that is in addition to the rebellion he started. If we can look at that an say he may be worth redeeming, we can certainly look at the conclave and say the same. Besides, the conclave explosion at the conclave was not just Solas's doing, but Corypheaus. It's sort of like 'do you punish the man who sold the gun' scenario. Solas may be the one who sold the gun, but it Corypheaus was the one who decided to pull the trigger (in an area so full of people, no less). Though I guess a more proper comparison would be using a 'nuke' or 'bomb' instead of a gun. I'm not saying he had no hand in their murder, but imo he is far from being the only guilty one.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 14, 2016 5:30:11 GMT
Bit of an off-topic... You know, I really find it curious that people seem to remember just ONE piece of conversation, but don't remember another. After all, in, say - angry disbanding of Inquisition, Inquisitor clearly says "now excuse me, I have the world to say, again." Then there's of course the whole post-epilogue scene where we see Inquisitor and their new inner circle plotting. Basically, I don't buy for a single second that their 'adventuring day being over' - it could be argued that at that time in story the Inquisitor simply didn't know whether they'd be active on a field, OR if they'd be able to be active on a field, but quite a few of epilogue cards from many world-states imply otherwise. For example, if we befriend Sera, the whole 'well, the entire retirement thing is a ruse' is pretty apparent. A lot of other cards claim that Inquisitor keeps showing up in different places in Thedas, obviously doing something. And I recall Patrick Weekes saying on his twitter - in response as to why it's offered for Inquisitor to become a Jenny but not a Charger - that in BW they assume that (in case Chargers are alive and Bull's loyal) Inquisitor will do a lot of traveling around WITH the Chargers. So no, I don't think Trespasser is the last we'd see Inky in a major role. They may not be PCs, but Trespasser does a lot to imply that it's the Inquisitor who'd deal with Solas, in one way or another. As for the question - redeem, redeem, redeem. I don't rule out killing, and we don't even know what 'redeeming' could really mean (or the consequences of killing, because let's face it - BW stories oftentimes aren't so simple), but most of my Inkies would try and save Solas.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 14, 2016 5:50:48 GMT
Bit of an off-topic... You know, I really find it curious that people seem to remember just ONE piece of conversation, but don't remember another. After all, in, say - angry disbanding of Inquisition, Inquisitor clearly says "now excuse me, I have the world to say, again." Then there's of course the whole post-epilogue scene where we see Inquisitor and their new inner circle plotting. Basically, I don't buy for a single second that their 'adventuring day being over' - it could be argued that at that time in story the Inquisitor simply didn't know whether they'd be active on a field, OR if they'd be able to be active on a field, but quite a few of epilogue cards from many world-states imply otherwise. For example, if we befriend Sera, the whole 'well, the entire retirement thing is a ruse' is pretty apparent. A lot of other cards claim that Inquisitor keeps showing up in different places in Thedas, obviously doing something. And I recall Patrick Weekes saying on his twitter - in response as to why it's offered for Inquisitor to become a Jenny but not a Charger - that in BW they assume that (in case Chargers are alive and Bull's loyal) Inquisitor will do a lot of traveling around WITH the Chargers. So no, I don't think Trespasser is the last we'd see Inky in a major role. They may not be PCs, but Trespasser does a lot to imply that it's the Inquisitor who'd deal with Solas, in one way or another. As for the question - redeem, redeem, redeem. I don't rule out killing, and we don't even know what 'redeeming' could really mean (or the consequences of killing, because let's face it - BW stories oftentimes aren't so simple), but most of my Inkies would try and save Solas. I had to retrace and read my comment. I said, "my Inquisitor said as much (that she was retired, essentially)" and, "If my feeling is correct...", acknowledging that I've not played through every possible combination of character and outcome the game offers. The game definitely implies in the cutscene that the Inquisitor intends to keep running the Inquisition in some form, but then those slides send some very mixed messages. Based upon BioWare's history, and the very few things they've said since DAI's completion, I think we're looking at a new protagonist. If that's the case, who would want to sit back and watch the Inquisitor handle Solas (outside of the Solavellan outliers) while their protagonist watches? I don't think it will be the Inquisitor who "handles Solas" unless s/he returns as the protagonist. We will likely hear of the Inquisitor, no doubt. It would be strange not to, after s/he accomplished so much. I'm not sure what form any involvement will take, though; especially after everyone got so sore about Hawke not being "portrayed correctly" in DAI. Would BioWare bring the Inquisitor back as an on-screen NPC? Who can say? Agreed on trying to redeem Solas, as my initial post said. He's become possibly my very favorite VG character. He has such tremendous depth and complexity. I do hope we're able to make him see the madness of his plan, and that there must be a better way to restore the world to its natural state. (Maybe there is, maybe there isn't...)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 7:28:35 GMT
I will kill him (if possible) and call it a day.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 15, 2016 15:34:57 GMT
Bit of an off-topic... You know, I really find it curious that people seem to remember just ONE piece of conversation, but don't remember another. After all, in, say - angry disbanding of Inquisition, Inquisitor clearly says "now excuse me, I have the world to say, again." Then there's of course the whole post-epilogue scene where we see Inquisitor and their new inner circle plotting. Basically, I don't buy for a single second that their 'adventuring day being over' - it could be argued that at that time in story the Inquisitor simply didn't know whether they'd be active on a field, OR if they'd be able to be active on a field, but quite a few of epilogue cards from many world-states imply otherwise. For example, if we befriend Sera, the whole 'well, the entire retirement thing is a ruse' is pretty apparent. A lot of other cards claim that Inquisitor keeps showing up in different places in Thedas, obviously doing something. And I recall Patrick Weekes saying on his twitter - in response as to why it's offered for Inquisitor to become a Jenny but not a Charger - that in BW they assume that (in case Chargers are alive and Bull's loyal) Inquisitor will do a lot of traveling around WITH the Chargers. So no, I don't think Trespasser is the last we'd see Inky in a major role. They may not be PCs, but Trespasser does a lot to imply that it's the Inquisitor who'd deal with Solas, in one way or another. As for the question - redeem, redeem, redeem. I don't rule out killing, and we don't even know what 'redeeming' could really mean (or the consequences of killing, because let's face it - BW stories oftentimes aren't so simple), but most of my Inkies would try and save Solas. I had to retrace and read my comment. I said, "my Inquisitor said as much (that she was retired, essentially)" and, "If my feeling is correct...", acknowledging that I've not played through every possible combination of character and outcome the game offers. The game definitely implies in the cutscene that the Inquisitor intends to keep running the Inquisition in some form, but then those slides send some very mixed messages. Based upon BioWare's history, and the very few things they've said since DAI's completion, I think we're looking at a new protagonist. Apologies, I should have specified that I was talking in general, not necessarily about you - I see a lot of "oh well, Inky likely won't come back since they said that their adventuring days may be done" in many places, while other dialogue options seem to be largely ignored. Anyway - I don't really think I was ever convinced that Inky will return as a protagonist. I see too many problems with that, especially romance portion of the game, which at this point is a staple of BW titles. Now, double-protagonist route though? Personally I'm rooting very much for that. My guesstimate is that we'd spend most of the time with PC and their crew and perhaps 25% of time with Inky.... maybe less, but these will be some crucial portions of the plot. Whenever I encounter such argument I keep bringing how TES: Oblivion has dealt with the issue: we are playing a PC, but the hero of the main story... is not a PC. It's Martin Septim. It's a story of him fulfilling his destiny and ultimately defeating the main adversary in the game. Thing is, none of that story would happen if it wasn't for the main PC. Therefore, ultimately, both characters had to be there for the story to happen. And actually, the same sort of sentiment can be found in last chapter of Magekiller, where heroes of the comic played small, but crucial role in helping Inquisitor reach Temple of Sacred Ashes in time, and face Corypheus. So there's really not stoping them from making new PCs a crucial tool to make final encounter between Inky and Solas possible.... among other possible scenarios. Either way, they're not limited to just writing a new PC as one 'sitting and watching' Inky deal with Fen'Harel. And yes, it'd very likely be Inky dealing with him , given how their (future) relationship is framed.Inquisitor meeting with their new circle and saying that THEY'LL find people Solas doesn't know, as well as constant implications from DA devs that future game may have a lot to do with an elaborate game of chess seems to suggest how they're going to do it - it'd likely be a tactical game between forces of Solas and Inquisitor, with new PC as a field agent who - for whatever reason - will rise to prominence. There's not really much they could have done with Hawke, but nobody said that they can't take that experience and learn from it... especially after success of games like Witcher 3 or GTAV or Last Of Us, where the story is weaved between multiple characters, which we take control of in specific times. Then there's MEA, where we know already that a sibling and a parent of main PC will play some sort of important role in the story and there's no way of saying if we won't switch POVs between them on occasion. Which basically brings us to this - what stops them from giving us temporary control over Inquisitor to help us define them, rather than making them a fairly straightforward NPC? The technology is there, the waters have been tested, hence there's nothing there to stop them, aside from their writing team's ability to find the right balance. Personally I'm hoping for at least a couple of good twists that may shake either ours or our character's resolve, regardless of which path they chose. I mean, hey, it's Bioware. They'll make this thing... complicated ;P
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Post by javeart on Nov 16, 2016 10:44:12 GMT
I've just finished another dai playthrough, and I'm not killing solas, no way, I'm ready to let the game unfinished if it comes to that well, not really, but afterall he just want to destroy the world a little bit, who doesn't??? we all have bad days, and he for sure had a very few bad millenia... More seriously, he's such a nice guy, I'm sure he'll see reason... At the very least, I hope we have the option to give him an honorable end, like we had with Loghain I couldn¡t bear to see him die miserably like Meredith or Corifeus
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 11:17:41 GMT
I've just finished another dai playthrough, and I'm not killing solas, no way, I'm ready to let the game unfinished if it comes to that well, not really, but afterall he just want to destroy the world a little bit, who doesn't??? we all have bad days, and he for sure had a very few bad millenia... . More seriously, he's such a nice guy, I'm sure he'll see reason... At the very least, I hope we have the option to give him an honorable end, like we had with Loghain I couldn¡t bear to see him die miserably like Meredith or Corifeus He's an elven Coryphues. Idk, I wouldn't take any chances with him. Although, my Lavellan is increasing in being pragmatic though. So I think he'd kill him, because of that. My Lavellan that romaced him would give him only once chance before killing him. My Cadash wouldn't know what do with him, and so she wouldn't kill him. My Trevs are too merciful... Two of them would let him live. One of them would kill him. Idk, this is just character headcount - I don't trust Solas very much to be honest.
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Post by Prince on Nov 17, 2016 15:51:10 GMT
I would like to take both,Kill and Redeem like it was for Loghain!
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Post by Natashina on Nov 25, 2016 6:38:39 GMT
I'm late to this party, but I finished Trespasser for the very first time yesterday. I was playing a Lavellan archer that fell in love with Solas.
She choose redeem. What's more is that I surprised myself. She not only would have redeemed him, but would have helped him build his army. She never fit in with her clan and I have a backstory for her that she ran away from an alienage when she was young. She believed in Solas' cause and would have gladly joined him. The game wouldn't let the IQ became a bad guy, so redeem it was. Then again, the IQ is a pretty goodie-two-shoe character even with the aggressive options.
I know my next character is going to be different. She won't dislike Solas, but wouldn't trust him as far as she could throw him. As a devout human Andrastian she would not allow this pretend god to live. She would see him like a charming and more attractive version of Cory.
Sprits only become demons if mortals twist their purpose, right? Does that moron have any clue how many of his beloved spirits will become demons? It seems like Solas inherited an Idiot Ball and isn't thinking clearly.
He reminds me a lot of Anders/Justice. I enjoy the story arc and Patrick Weekes oudid himself with Solas' writing. However, a part of me was left thinking "I have the oddest case of deja vu."
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Post by colfoley on Nov 25, 2016 6:53:17 GMT
I'm late to this party, but I finished Trespasser for the very first time yesterday. I was playing a Lavellan archer that fell in love with Solas. She choose redeem. What's more is that I surprised myself. She not only would have redeemed him, but would have helped him build his army. She never fit in with her clan and I have a backstory for her that she ran away from an alienage when she was young. She believed in Solas' cause and would have gladly joined him. The game wouldn't let the IQ became a bad guy, so redeem it was. Then again, the IQ is a pretty goodie-two-shoe character even with the aggressive options. I know my next character is going to be different. She won't dislike Solas, but wouldn't trust him as far as she could throw him. As a devout human Andrastian she would not allow this pretend god to live. She would see him like a charming and more attractive version of Cory. Sprits only become demons if mortals twist their purpose, right? Does that moron have any clue how many of his beloved spirits will become demons? It seems like Solas inherited an Idiot Ball and isn't thinking clearly. He reminds me a lot of Anders/Justice. I enjoy the story arc and Patrick Weekes oudid himself with Solas' writing. However, a part of me was left thinking "I have the oddest case of deja vu." As much as I liked DA 2 Anders, Solas was essentially Anders done right. Which I think is kind of the point of DA I in many respects, to fix the flaws of DA 2 both real and imagined, so Solas is their Anders redo, in some respects. The two characters have a lot in common.
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Post by Natashina on Nov 25, 2016 7:01:10 GMT
And here I was hoping that Trespasser would end more like Witch Hunt. Next time there is an angsty male mage for romance, can we have a Witch Hunt type ending? It's not like they have to go elven god, or possessed Warden. I never thought about Solas as Anders done with more care. However that makes total sense.
I wanted to mention that my elf would have zero issues killing Solas if she had to. She doesn't want to, but she feels the person that Solas was at Skyhold is gone. If he ever existed in the first place. There is something that Solas is leaving out that perhaps isn't as weirdly sympathetic.
My mage is going to kill him and disband the Inquistion to hunt him to the ends of Thedas. Mages don't have the easiest time (understatement) and Solas would make it 1000 times worse. The amount of abominations that could start running around in the next game would make Kirkwall look like a cute bedtime story. The Veil will likely weaken during the course of DA4. We'll be in Tevinter. There's a whole lot of blood magic out of that country.
You know, death to Solas might become my canon playthrough.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 25, 2016 7:07:41 GMT
They wanted the next badguy to be one that had some sympathy and you would know them. Hence both Corypheus and maybe Anders actually would have been enemies in DA I, but given the reception that DA 2 recieved they removed the Anders part of it and gave it to Solas. At least that is my supposition I don't have a lot of evidence on this front, just a kind of feeling...kind of like Liara's in ME 1 . Yet it still sort of fits. Though this contradicts my feeling that there is some evidence that this is what they were going to do all along. Hence the whole stuff with both mythal and Fen'harel we have been hearing about since the beginning of the series. Of course it is the mark of a good writer or a strong narrative that it can adapt to changes easily while still maintaining its thematic and overall narrative arcs. And DA just might end up being one of the strongest narratives I have had the pleasure to experience, imo.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 25, 2016 8:21:02 GMT
They wanted the next badguy to be one that had some sympathy and you would know them. For myself at least my response to this if the case has to be:
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Post by patches on Nov 25, 2016 8:50:34 GMT
It will break my Lavellan to do it because she loved him, or at least the man she thought he was, but she's always been a duty first kinda girl. He is responsible for the death of so many people she can't ignore that even if he somehow does change his mind about destroying the world.
She left Blackwall in the cell too btw.
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Post by javeart on Nov 25, 2016 9:53:21 GMT
I'm late to this party, but I finished Trespasser for the very first time yesterday. I was playing a Lavellan archer that fell in love with Solas. She choose redeem. What's more is that I surprised myself. She not only would have redeemed him, but would have helped him build his army. She never fit in with her clan and I have a backstory for her that she ran away from an alienage when she was young. She believed in Solas' cause and would have gladly joined him. The game wouldn't let the IQ became a bad guy, so redeem it was. Then again, the IQ is a pretty goodie-two-shoe character even with the aggressive options. I know my next character is going to be different. She won't dislike Solas, but wouldn't trust him as far as she could throw him. As a devout human Andrastian she would not allow this pretend god to live. She would see him like a charming and more attractive version of Cory. Sprits only become demons if mortals twist their purpose, right? Does that moron have any clue how many of his beloved spirits will become demons? It seems like Solas inherited an Idiot Ball and isn't thinking clearly. He reminds me a lot of Anders/Justice. I enjoy the story arc and Patrick Weekes oudid himself with Solas' writing. However, a part of me was left thinking "I have the oddest case of deja vu." As much as I liked DA 2 Anders, Solas was essentially Anders done right. Which I think is kind of the point of DA I in many respects, to fix the flaws of DA 2 both real and imagined, so Solas is their Anders redo, in some respects. The two characters have a lot in common. It might be that, but I always have the feeling with DA that what they're doing constantly it's giving us characters that serve as introduction for other characters that incarnate a more radical example of something: like first you discover Wynne's secret and learn that not every blend of spirit and person turns into a monster, then comes Anders, then comes Cole. I always saw Anders more in this light, like an introduction, so to speak, to Solas. There are a lot of themes that are recurrent in DA, and they seem to be explored each time in more depth with a new character that takes the concept even further
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Post by secretrare on Nov 25, 2016 18:05:47 GMT
Kill=not possible this is a god
Reedem=Not possible,Solas is a patological disaster he will always try to fix what he see as broken
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Post by Iakus on Nov 25, 2016 20:17:12 GMT
Kill=not possible this is a god Reedem=Not possible,Solas is a patological disaster he will always try to fix what he see as broken Imprison oh yes! But what is a god in Thedas?
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Post by secretrare on Nov 25, 2016 21:23:05 GMT
Kill=not possible this is a god Reedem=Not possible,Solas is a patological disaster he will always try to fix what he see as broken Imprison oh yes! But what is a god in Thedas? Those people who can cheat an in game death through soul body surfing,if they know how to do that then they are gods by Thedas standards.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 25, 2016 21:26:47 GMT
Sprits only become demons if mortals twist their purpose, right? Does that moron have any clue how many of his beloved spirits will become demons? It seems like Solas inherited an Idiot Ball and isn't thinking clearly. I don't really think this is the case of Idiot Ball - in fact, I think it's more of a case of us not having any clue what Solas knows and how Thedas is to make any definite judgements about what would exactly happen if the Veil drops or magic returns of whatever, and what will exactly happen to spirits or mages or people. If anything, Inquisition should teach us to not to get ahead of ourselves in terms of speculations - because who really thought that the world is how it is prior to revelations in DAI/Trespasser, especially with the reveal that Fade and world was once one and the Veil is not Maker's creation, but that of certain 'non-descript' Fade Nerd who was once our companion?
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Post by Cyberstrike on Nov 25, 2016 21:31:23 GMT
The majority chose to redeem Solas. Notably though, it is my Dalish assassin who romanced Solas who still chose the option to kill him even though she still chose to continue the relationship. In addition to my one of my Trevelyans, that makes 2 on the kill Solas team, and at least 3 on the redeem Solas team. That being said, the redemption option may still end up having Solas get killed anyway--and my characters know this. They are just making it clear that they will try to help him while also trying to help save Thedas. It might be one of deals where the only way to redeem Solas is to kill him or have him kill himself (ala Saren in ME1).
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