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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Nov 25, 2016 21:36:49 GMT
Sprits only become demons if mortals twist their purpose, right? Does that moron have any clue how many of his beloved spirits will become demons? It seems like Solas inherited an Idiot Ball and isn't thinking clearly. I don't really think this is the case of Idiot Ball - in fact, I think it's more of a case of us not having any clue what Solas knows and how Thedas is to make any definite judgements about what would exactly happen if the Veil drops or magic returns of whatever, and what will exactly happen to spirits or mages or people. If anything, Inquisition should teach us to not to get ahead of ourselves in terms of speculations - because who really thought that the world is how it is prior to revelations in DAI/Trespasser, especially with the reveal that Fade and world was once one and the Veil is not Maker's creation, but that of certain 'non-descript' Fade Nerd who was once our companion? No One ever said or speculated that the veil was created by the Maker,that's not even written in the chant of light and actually there were already stories in DAO mentioning this Dread wolf and how he imprisoned other elven gods and destroyed their society. also Solas is adamant about what would happen without the veil,the whole raw chaos and a lot of deaths.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 25, 2016 21:48:27 GMT
I don't really think this is the case of Idiot Ball - in fact, I think it's more of a case of us not having any clue what Solas knows and how Thedas is to make any definite judgements about what would exactly happen if the Veil drops or magic returns of whatever, and what will exactly happen to spirits or mages or people. If anything, Inquisition should teach us to not to get ahead of ourselves in terms of speculations - because who really thought that the world is how it is prior to revelations in DAI/Trespasser, especially with the reveal that Fade and world was once one and the Veil is not Maker's creation, but that of certain 'non-descript' Fade Nerd who was once our companion? No One ever said or speculated that the veil was created by the Maker,that's not even written in the chant of light and actually there were already stories in DAO mentioning this Dread wolf and how he imprisoned other elven gods and destroyed their society. Trespasser changed entirely the context of Dread Wolf's actions: went 180 degrees from some sort of bizarre trick on gullible, but generally well-though of gods to desperate attempt to save the world from power-hungry tyrants. You can't really argue that this ain't a more important detail in perceiving the whole thing than the fact that tales of Dread Wolf's actions got preserved, while mentions of the Veil being his creation did not. Basically: context matters. A frikking lot.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 25, 2016 21:54:13 GMT
No One ever said or speculated that the veil was created by the Maker,that's not even written in the chant of light and actually there were already stories in DAO mentioning this Dread wolf and how he imprisoned other elven gods and destroyed their society. Trespasser changed entirely the context of Dread Wolf's actions: went 180 degrees from some sort of bizarre trick on gullible, but generally well-though of gods to desperate attempt to save the world from power-hungry tyrants. You can't really argue that this ain't a more important detail in perceiving the whole thing than the fact that tales of Dread Wolf's actions got preserved, while mentions of the Veil being his creation did not. Basically: context matters. A frikking lot. If you take Solas to the Temple of Mythal, you get definite hints that the Creators were not as benevolent as all that
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Post by Iakus on Nov 25, 2016 21:57:23 GMT
But what is a god in Thedas? Those people who can cheat an in game death through soul body surfing,if they know how to do that then they are gods by Thedas standards. That's an...oddly specific definition. But okay, whatever works for you.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Nov 25, 2016 21:57:56 GMT
No One ever said or speculated that the veil was created by the Maker,that's not even written in the chant of light and actually there were already stories in DAO mentioning this Dread wolf and how he imprisoned other elven gods and destroyed their society. Trespasser changed entirely the context of Dread Wolf's actions: went 180 degrees from some sort of bizarre trick on gullible, but generally well-though of gods to desperate attempt to save the world from power-hungry tyrants. You can't really argue that this ain't a more important detail in perceiving the whole thing than the fact that tales of Dread Wolf's actions got preserved, while mentions of the Veil being his creation did not. Basically: context matters. A frikking lot. Trespasser didn't changed anything it just offered insights alongside the perspective of the Dread wolf. Solas may say that the Evanuris were Tyrants but you can't know that for sure if he is the only source you have about them,others ancient elves may claim the contrary and instead accuse Solas to be the deceiver and trickster that the tales depict him to be.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 25, 2016 22:04:35 GMT
Trespasser changed entirely the context of Dread Wolf's actions: went 180 degrees from some sort of bizarre trick on gullible, but generally well-though of gods to desperate attempt to save the world from power-hungry tyrants. You can't really argue that this ain't a more important detail in perceiving the whole thing than the fact that tales of Dread Wolf's actions got preserved, while mentions of the Veil being his creation did not. Basically: context matters. A frikking lot. If you take Solas to the Temple of Mythal, you get definite hints that the Creators were not as benevolent as all that Hints - not actual (in-story) facts.
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Post by secretrare on Nov 25, 2016 22:13:51 GMT
Those people who can cheat an in game death through soul body surfing,if they know how to do that then they are gods by Thedas standards. That's an...oddly specific definition. But okay, whatever works for you. Is not a specific definition nor it is odd but rather is what godhood is about in this setting for any deity (aside from the Maker) which is immortality. Being immortal+having worshippers=God
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 25, 2016 22:14:02 GMT
Trespasser changed entirely the context of Dread Wolf's actions: went 180 degrees from some sort of bizarre trick on gullible, but generally well-though of gods to desperate attempt to save the world from power-hungry tyrants. You can't really argue that this ain't a more important detail in perceiving the whole thing than the fact that tales of Dread Wolf's actions got preserved, while mentions of the Veil being his creation did not. Basically: context matters. A frikking lot. Trespasser didn't changed anything it just offered insights alongside the perspective of the Dread wolf. Solas may say that the Evanuris were Tyrants but you can't know that for sure if he is the only source you have about them,others ancient elves may claim the contrary and instead accuse Solas to be the deceiver and trickster that the tales depict him to be. Don't be silly - revelations that Solas created the Veil and why he did so are nor mere insights - they're 100% legit game-changers, in many respects, not just in terms of how we should perceive Evanuris, but entirety of Thedas. And no, Solas is NOT the only source about ancient Elvenhan or Evanuris. What about Flemythal, who most certainly doesn't appear to love other elvhen gods and calls Solas an old friend? And we know from Abelas that she was indeed murdered. Felassan from TME also doesn't paint the picture of Elvenhan as an idyllic one. Thing is that before Trespasser all those things were hints. Trespasser brings (in-game) facts to the table. How the world of Elvenhan functioned and the fact that it was Veilless ain't just something we know from Solas, but records and archivists in Vir Dirthara, that aren't even connected with Fen'Harel in any sort of intrinsic fashion.
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Post by secretrare on Nov 25, 2016 22:34:47 GMT
Trespasser didn't changed anything it just offered insights alongside the perspective of the Dread wolf. Solas may say that the Evanuris were Tyrants but you can't know that for sure if he is the only source you have about them,others ancient elves may claim the contrary and instead accuse Solas to be the deceiver and trickster that the tales depict him to be. Don't be silly - revelations that Solas created the Veil and why he did so are nor mere insights - they're 100% legit game-changers, in many respects, not just in terms of how we should perceive Evanuris, but entirety of Thedas. And no, Solas is NOT the only source about ancient Elvenhan or Evanuris. What about Flemythal, who most certainly doesn't appear to love other elvhen gods and calls Solas an old friend? And we know from Abelas that she was indeed murdered. Felassan from TME also doesn't paint the picture of Elvenhan as an idyllic one. Thing is that before Trespasser all those things were hints. Trespasser brings (in-game) facts to the table. How the world of Elvenhan functioned and the fact that it was Veilless ain't just something we know from Solas, but records and archivists in Vir Dirthara, that aren't even connected with Fen'Harel in any sort of intrinsic fashion. Ugh arrogant as usual i agree with the other user,all the infos we got about the Evanuris were from their enemies(Solas,Felassan,Flemeth,Abelas)we didn't get their perspective,we don't know why they (unanimously apparently)decided to kill Mythal,you know nothing about them aside from what their enemies told you.All those things were in the lore in the codex of both DAII and DAO with all elves suspecting that they were immune to aging in the past,Trespasser gave more insights about the causes and that's it,blaming Solas and not the Humans.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 25, 2016 22:56:43 GMT
Don't be silly - revelations that Solas created the Veil and why he did so are nor mere insights - they're 100% legit game-changers, in many respects, not just in terms of how we should perceive Evanuris, but entirety of Thedas. And no, Solas is NOT the only source about ancient Elvenhan or Evanuris. What about Flemythal, who most certainly doesn't appear to love other elvhen gods and calls Solas an old friend? And we know from Abelas that she was indeed murdered. Felassan from TME also doesn't paint the picture of Elvenhan as an idyllic one. Thing is that before Trespasser all those things were hints. Trespasser brings (in-game) facts to the table. How the world of Elvenhan functioned and the fact that it was Veilless ain't just something we know from Solas, but records and archivists in Vir Dirthara, that aren't even connected with Fen'Harel in any sort of intrinsic fashion. Ugh arrogant as usual i agree with the other user,all the infos you got about the Evanuris were from their enemies(Solas,Felassan,Flemeth,Abelas)you didn't get their perspective,you don't know why they (unanimously apparently)decided to kill Mythal,you know nothing about them aside from what their enemies told you.All those things were in the lore in the codex of both DAII and DAO with all elves suspecting that they were immune to aging in the past,Trespasser gave more insights about the causes and that's it. You're not exactly proving your maturity with silly, out-of-the-blue remarks like that, you know? Sorry, but you can't on one breath speak of arrogance and then arbitrarily deem all the corroborating opinions of people who actually know something about time long past as being subjective opinions of 'enemies of Evanuris'... and then *completely* ignore the fact that I mention records in Vir Dirthara, that were most definitely NOT written by 'enemies of Evanuris', but were insights of people who lived in this era, and mention, for example: a petty feud between Elgar'nan and Falon'Din that eventually Mythal had to cleverly settle with duel between gods' champions that lasted for a century, or a record of Elgar'nan's levels of self-aggrandizement or the fact that a monument for him was built by thousands of slaves. The picture that emerges is not full by any means, but certainly telling and leaning in favor of how 'enemies of Evanuris' present the Evanuris.
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Post by Prince on Nov 26, 2016 0:10:56 GMT
Kill=not possible this is a god Reedem=Not possible,Solas is a patological disaster he will always try to fix what he see as broken Imprison oh yes! But what is a god in Thedas? Didn't Solas provided a definition in Trespasser for elven gods and old gods?Which basically boils down to "God is something they call you rather than what you really are" Basically the word god is used as a title in Thedas (If you exclude the Maker) He said that the Evanuris were mages then they gained popularity and power and were worshipped as gods they were not born as such.
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Post by EBDerevko on Nov 26, 2016 21:00:26 GMT
I have several theories.
He can't really be killed, but he can surely fool everyone to make them believe he died (and maybe the Inquisitor can cooperate with that belief if they chose to redeem him, but that might also be subjected to whatever was decided to do with the Well of Sorrows).
I think... it's likely that the Inquisitor might have to keep him in stasis forever, just as Ameridan did with Hakkon. Given his nature and knowledge of magic, he can only be stopped or neutralized... not killed.
According to documents found in Jaws of Hakkon, and considering the parallels mentioned between the Inquisitor's companions and Ameridan's, his fate could totally represent a foreshadowing.
Besides, it'd be shortsighted to kill him. The Evanuris will become a major problem sooner or later, and he's the only one capable of dealing with them.
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Post by Toledo wombat on Nov 27, 2016 13:59:07 GMT
I'm still not sure of how i feel about Solas. My first thought on this subject was courtesy of Gandalf: "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement, for not even the very wise can see all ends."
My Favourite Inqui, Ellana Lavellan is equally confused. She's stuck in a weird love/hate limbo where she loves him, she believes he actually has good intentions but is going the wrong way about them. I can't see her willingly killing him without it destroying her, unless it literally did come down to Solas vs Thedas. She doesn't see him as someone who needs redemption, because she believes he's a good person, but she would do her best to save him from himself. Interesting post above, EBDerevko, I feel like Ellana in that situation would be more like Telana than Ameridan, she'd waste away searching for her lover in the Great Beyond. It's also a repeat of my Andersmancing Hawke's problem, she loved and continues to love Anders, and understands why he did what he did, but doesn't condone his methods.
Douglas Trevelyan would kill Solas, he told Solas so, having also been somewhat hurt by the fact that Solas doesn't appear to be the friend and ally he claimed to be. If Solas is prepared to sacrifice Doug and his friends, then Doug (and his friends) are prepared to sacrifice Solas. Solas could perhaps turn it around if he could persuade Doug that he was a good person in a bad situation. None of my Inquis have left Blackwall to rot, they've all told him to join the Wardens. They've never chucked Sera out, or sacrificed the Chargers and basically given everybody a second chance. Solas is due that, but I don't think he'll get more.
Basically i think the way it'll go will depend on which Inquis I import (if I can), the elves will attempt to dissuade him or save him, the humans, dwarves and qunari may not be so merciful or understanding.
I don't think imprisonment's a good option. Since when has anything magically imprisoned in Thedas remained sealed? Archdemons, darkspawn magisters, gods, demons, even the occasional mage, they all seem to get out somehow. If you imprison Fen'Harel, when he gets out he's going to be even more pissed off and he'll probably just nuke the world at a later date. You've either got to kill him, which could be tricky, or persuade him that bringing down the veil is a bad idea.
As for what constitutes a "God" in Thedas, from what i can see you just need to have the nerve to proclaim yourself to be one and get somebody to worship you. I'm still open minded about the Maker.
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 27, 2016 22:25:41 GMT
My main Inquisitor Juno Trevelyan considered Solas a dear friend, but doesn't see much hope in redemption given his resolve. If there's any opportunity to save both Thedas as it is and Solas then she might pursue it. But the objective is to stop him no matter what. Capture is not an option. Otherworldy beings like he and Corypheus have to be destroyed if they can't make peace.
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Post by House Targaryen on Nov 28, 2016 4:31:06 GMT
The majority of my game endings I seek to redeem him. There are two games that I want to end him.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 28, 2016 19:09:25 GMT
If you take Solas to the Temple of Mythal, you get definite hints that the Creators were not as benevolent as all that Hints - not actual (in-story) facts. Hints, which Trespasser expanded upon.
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Post by xerrai on Nov 28, 2016 19:22:53 GMT
Don't be silly - revelations that Solas created the Veil and why he did so are nor mere insights - they're 100% legit game-changers, in many respects, not just in terms of how we should perceive Evanuris, but entirety of Thedas. And no, Solas is NOT the only source about ancient Elvenhan or Evanuris. What about Flemythal, who most certainly doesn't appear to love other elvhen gods and calls Solas an old friend? And we know from Abelas that she was indeed murdered. Felassan from TME also doesn't paint the picture of Elvenhan as an idyllic one. Thing is that before Trespasser all those things were hints. Trespasser brings (in-game) facts to the table. How the world of Elvenhan functioned and the fact that it was Veilless ain't just something we know from Solas, but records and archivists in Vir Dirthara, that aren't even connected with Fen'Harel in any sort of intrinsic fashion. Ugh arrogant as usual i agree with the other user,all the infos we got about the Evanuris were from their enemies(Solas,Felassan,Flemeth,Abelas)we didn't get their perspective,we don't know why they (unanimously apparently)decided to kill Mythal,you know nothing about them aside from what their enemies told you.All those things were in the lore in the codex of both DAII and DAO with all elves suspecting that they were immune to aging in the past,Trespasser gave more insights about the causes and that's it,blaming Solas and not the Humans. Sorry but I have to agree with Midnight Tea a little bit here. Before Trespasser, we only had mere slithers of lore to theorize that maybe Fen'Harel wasn't the maniacal, gleefully-prowling God of Deception as we thought. I only count three codex entries where Fen'Harel was depicted in anything other than a malevolent light. With Trespasser we have proof. Proof about what his real cause was, the people he rallied (slaves) and why they rebelled (oppressed the evanuris). This wasn't all from Solas either, it was from his followers. All of a sudden Fen'Harel went from "evil doer who spews evil and chuckles at misfortune" to "leader who lead a cause and ravaged the world he cared for". How should that not be game-changer? Even if we disregard trespasser, there have been several hints (codex entries, Solas, Temple of Mythal, Abelas, Felassan, etc.) that at the very least, the Creators were not the ideal leaders the Dalish set them up to be. That is not to say there were without support though. Memories in the Vir Dirthara reveal that many viewed the evanuris in a favorable light ("they will save us!") by the time the veil was put up. And the mere fact they had worshippers at all meant that they did something to earn it. But it simply cannot be denied that the Evanuris had some serious flaws. Otherwise I highly doubt a rebellion would have occurred in the first place. If I were to take a gander though, I would say the Evanuris are like modern Thedosian monarchs. With the Evanuris ranging from war mongering Gaspards and moderate to progressive Celenes. With Fen'Harel being more like Briala.
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Post by secretrare on Dec 1, 2016 21:40:27 GMT
Ugh arrogant as usual i agree with the other user,all the infos we got about the Evanuris were from their enemies(Solas,Felassan,Flemeth,Abelas)we didn't get their perspective,we don't know why they (unanimously apparently)decided to kill Mythal,you know nothing about them aside from what their enemies told you.All those things were in the lore in the codex of both DAII and DAO with all elves suspecting that they were immune to aging in the past,Trespasser gave more insights about the causes and that's it,blaming Solas and not the Humans. Sorry but I have to agree with Midnight Tea a little bit here. Before Trespasser, we only had mere slithers of lore to theorize that maybe Fen'Harel wasn't the maniacal, gleefully-prowling God of Deception as we thought. I only count three codex entries where Fen'Harel was depicted in anything other than a malevolent light. With Trespasser we have proof. Proof about what his real cause was, the people he rallied (slaves) and why they rebelled (oppressed the evanuris). This wasn't all from Solas either, it was from his followers. All of a sudden Fen'Harel went from "evil doer who spews evil and chuckles at misfortune" to "leader who lead a cause and ravaged the world he cared for". How should that not be game-changer? Even if we disregard trespasser, there have been several hints (codex entries, Solas, Temple of Mythal, Abelas, Felassan, etc.) that at the very least, the Creators were not the ideal leaders the Dalish set them up to be. That is not to say there were without support though. Memories in the Vir Dirthara reveal that many viewed the evanuris in a favorable light ("they will save us!") by the time the veil was put up. And the mere fact they had worshippers at all meant that they did something to earn it. But it simply cannot be denied that the Evanuris had some serious flaws. Otherwise I highly doubt a rebellion would have occurred in the first place. If I were to take a gander though, I would say the Evanuris are like modern Thedosian monarchs. With the Evanuris ranging from war mongering Gaspards and moderate to progressive Celenes. With Fen'Harel being more like Briala. I did not recall to have depicted the elven gods in any idealistic light,but neither i said they were these monsters someone believe they are.They were not in the right and neither is Solas.
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Post by akiza on Dec 1, 2016 21:57:33 GMT
I voted Kill.
There is no place for these ancient whatever's in the Dragon Age. If the game will allow it just as I killed Urthemiel i will Kill Solas and Mythal.
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Post by KamenRyder on Dec 2, 2016 15:29:18 GMT
I chose kill.
There's no need for present Thedas to go to the shits because some ancient arsehole screwed up and can't get pass the fact that he had has his time.
My Caspar Trevelyan took this betrayal hard.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 2, 2016 16:04:06 GMT
I did not recall to have depicted the elven gods in any idealistic light,but neither i said they were these monsters someone believe they are.They were not in the right and neither is Solas. Nobody said that you've 'depicted the elven gods in idealistic light' - what was addressed what you ACTUALLY said, which is "all the infos we got about the Evanuris were from their enemies" (which is simply false) and that we, essentially, 'know nothing about them'... which you now deny, saying that both them and Solas 'are not in the right', implying that we (or rather... you) know enough now to deem their actions in full. ... So which one is it? You can't have it both ways.
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Post by oyabun on Dec 2, 2016 22:26:43 GMT
FenHarel from the Dalish legends of DAO (in the form of the codexs of Fen Harel) isn't necessarly a myth. Those tales described who Solas was when he was young,and if I recall he said by himself that he was no less arrogant than the others elven gods.
Anyway in DAO he was not always depicted into a negative light.
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Post by Natashina on Dec 2, 2016 23:11:05 GMT
No One ever said or speculated that the veil was created by the Maker,that's not even written in the chant of light and actually there were already stories in DAO mentioning this Dread wolf and how he imprisoned other elven gods and destroyed their society. also Solas is adamant about what would happen without the veil,the whole raw chaos and a lot of deaths. Sorry, but the bolded is not true. It is apart of the Chant. Canticle of Threnodies, 5:1-5:8 dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Chant_of_Light_Verses#Canticle_of_Threnodiesdragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Veil"There is no mention of a time when the Veil didn't exist in human history, which started from their arrival in Thedas in -3100 Ancient. The Chantry teaches that the Maker created the Veil before He created men."
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Post by akiza on Dec 3, 2016 2:37:09 GMT
FenHarel from the Dalish legends of DAO (in the form of the codexs of Fen Harel) isn't necessarly a myth. Those tales described who Solas was when he was young,and if I recall he said by himself that he was no less arrogant than the others elven gods. Anyway in DAO he was not always depicted into a negative light. As i saw it The DLCs like Trespasser it only reinforced those hints which had already been there in the first place. So I can't say I had this WTF moment.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Dec 3, 2016 2:49:49 GMT
No One ever said or speculated that the veil was created by the Maker,that's not even written in the chant of light and actually there were already stories in DAO mentioning this Dread wolf and how he imprisoned other elven gods and destroyed their society. also Solas is adamant about what would happen without the veil,the whole raw chaos and a lot of deaths. Sorry, but the bolded is not true. It is apart of the Chant. Canticle of Threnodies, 5:1-5:8 dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Chant_of_Light_Verses#Canticle_of_Threnodiesdragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Veil"There is no mention of a time when the Veil didn't exist in human history, which started from their arrival in Thedas in -3100 Ancient. The Chantry teaches that the Maker created the Veil before He created men." There are plenty of things I'm unable to do but read is not one of them,again where it is stated in that canticle that the Maker created the veil?Because the part you adressed states he separated the fade from the world, even in the times of Arlathan they were not the same thing in fact the ancient elves required deep meditations to reach the deepest corners of the fade to search for powerful spirits,which is most likely what Mythal did to find Solas. The fade was never totally merged with the world even when Elgar nan and company ruled Thedas and even before they were even born.
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