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Post by griffith82 on Aug 7, 2018 13:48:26 GMT
*sees Picard news* Meh. Curious about a new show in general especially after Discovery but I really hope he is in a very minor role. Gimme more Sisko/ Janeway or Lorca dammit. I quite enjoy Disvovery but Picard has always been my favorite. I'm looking forward to this.
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Post by Obadiah on Aug 7, 2018 15:06:07 GMT
I kept meaning to try it. It is free to play, right? I'm just annoyed that it appears to have been reduced to a thin story covering combat mechanics.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Aug 7, 2018 19:15:38 GMT
I kept meaning to try it. It is free to play, right? I'm just annoyed that it appears to have been reduced to a thin story covering combat mechanics. Is EVE Online pretty much the only big MMO where the players' choices and actions do actually shape events?
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Post by Sifr on Aug 8, 2018 10:32:37 GMT
Janeway, depending on which faction of fans you talk to, is probably either still an Admiral (as seen in Nemesis) or has been court-martialed after somebody actually sat down and reviewed her Captain's logs from Voyager. I take the view that Starfleet wanted to court-martial her before they got even halfway through reading her logs, but it was impossible as she was viewed by the public as a hero for getting her ship and crew home, despite all odds.
So Starfleet did the only thing they could do... they kicked her upstairs and behind an Admiral's desk, if only to ensure she would never, ever, be able to sit in the captain's chair again.
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Post by Obadiah on Aug 8, 2018 13:09:42 GMT
*sees Picard news* Meh. Curious about a new show in general especially after Discovery but I really hope he is in a very minor role. Gimme more Sisko/ Janeway or Lorca dammit. Well, Sisko had metamorphosed into some sort of alien superbeing last we saw him. Though in a way, I suppose that could make it easier to bring him back, since he could turn up almost anywhere doing almost anything (as long as it wasn't blatantly malicious). Janeway, depending on which faction of fans you talk to, is probably either still an Admiral (as seen in Nemesis) or has been court-martialed after somebody actually sat down and reviewed her Captain's logs from Voyager. I'm assuming that Picard will be working a slightly less "adventurous" job than Captain of the Enterprise, unless they're planning to give the ship an entirely new crew (which would be plausible, actually, given how much time has passed and the fact that Riker and Troi left and Data died). I could actually see some potential in putting him in charge of whatever Starfleet's equivalent of a JAG staff is, reviewing and investigating controversial decisions made by various members of Starfleet. And hopefully we'll get an occasional cameo from other TNG characters. Eh, the plot will probably involve starting another damn war between the Federation, Romulans, Klingons, etc, and sticking Picard in the middle of it to fight. Of course, because the war drags on and his superiors are corrupt politicians, and since Picard is mostly a diplomat and man of peace, this will cause Picard lose faith in leadership, intentionally murder a bunch of younglings, accidentally murder his wife, and take over the Republic, I mean Federation. You think Beverly and Picard ever got together? Hope so.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Aug 8, 2018 13:32:35 GMT
Well, Sisko had metamorphosed into some sort of alien superbeing last we saw him. Though in a way, I suppose that could make it easier to bring him back, since he could turn up almost anywhere doing almost anything (as long as it wasn't blatantly malicious). Janeway, depending on which faction of fans you talk to, is probably either still an Admiral (as seen in Nemesis) or has been court-martialed after somebody actually sat down and reviewed her Captain's logs from Voyager. I'm assuming that Picard will be working a slightly less "adventurous" job than Captain of the Enterprise, unless they're planning to give the ship an entirely new crew (which would be plausible, actually, given how much time has passed and the fact that Riker and Troi left and Data died). I could actually see some potential in putting him in charge of whatever Starfleet's equivalent of a JAG staff is, reviewing and investigating controversial decisions made by various members of Starfleet. And hopefully we'll get an occasional cameo from other TNG characters. Eh, the plot will probably involve starting another damn war between the Federation, Romulans, Klingons, etc, and sticking Picard in the middle of it to fight. Of course, because the war drags on and his superiors are corrupt politicians, and since Picard is mostly a diplomat and man of peace, this will cause Picard lose faith in leadership, intentionally murder a bunch of younglings, accidentally murder his wife, and take over the Republic, I mean Federation. You think Beverly and Picard ever got together? Hope so. No, there are certain things everyone should should know that you just do not do. For example: - You do not cross the streams when capturing ghosts.
- You do not play Mass Effect without taking Wrex on at least one elevator ride.
- You do not display open disinterest in pictures of cats being funny.
- And last but not least, YOU DO NOT MAKE JEAN-LUC PICARD INTO AN ANTI-HERO!
: walks away trying to compose himself :
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Aug 8, 2018 13:36:55 GMT
Janeway, depending on which faction of fans you talk to, is probably either still an Admiral (as seen in Nemesis) or has been court-martialed after somebody actually sat down and reviewed her Captain's logs from Voyager. I take the view that Starfleet wanted to court-martial her before they got even halfway through reading her logs, but it was impossible as she was viewed by the public as a hero for getting her ship and crew home, despite all odds.
So Starfleet did the only thing they could do... they kicked her upstairs and behind an Admiral's desk, if only to ensure she would never, ever, be able to sit in the captain's chair again. I just hope that the Doctor was granted full Federation citizenship and that Tuvok and Torres were given jobs where they never had to speak technobabble again. Though seriously, only showing us a possible future that ended up getting erased via time-travel shenanigans was a real dropped ball. I probably literally wouldn't have believed it if you'd told me the show would have such a perfunctory "we made it, yay, the end" final scene. And if Janeway doesn't get court-martialed, that Temporal Prime Directive enforcement agency from the future should be coming after her anyway.
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Post by frosted on Aug 9, 2018 10:30:21 GMT
I'm going to look forward to this. I hope they bring in a couple of old Deep Space Nine characters too. Benjamin Sisko or maybe his son, Jake. Quark or Odo, maybe? I always liked Miles O'Brien, the engineer character. But it's wonderful to have StarTrek Generations coming back. This clip from season six almost makes me tear up a little: Thinking about some of my favorite TNG episodes, I'll have to say they set the bar pretty high in the old show. I hope it lives up to what are bound to be high expectations.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Aug 10, 2018 14:14:17 GMT
I'm going to look forward to this. I hope they bring in a couple of old Deep Space Nine characters too. Benjamin Sisko or maybe his son, Jake. Quark or Odo, maybe? I always liked Miles O'Brien, the engineer character. Well, Sisko is a non-linear superbeing now, and Odo returned to the Great Link. But there should be some potential in occasional guest-starring appearances from the TNG/DS9/VOY era. I'd be curious to see what Geordi LaForge is up to now, as well as how Deep Space Nine is doing in the aftermath of Sisko leaving (is Kira still in charge, and did Bajor finally join the Federation?). Maybe also Doc and Seven from Voyager.
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Post by House Targaryen on Aug 25, 2018 16:21:09 GMT
Started watching DS9 which I haven't seen in years. Bought series 1-4 on Amazon digital. Still an awesome show like I remembered. One of my favorite eps was Duet. To have such a powerful, moving episode in the first year, you knew this series was destined for greatness.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 27, 2018 8:26:41 GMT
I think I am sensing a pattern with that vid makers content...
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Post by Beerfish on Aug 28, 2018 1:30:31 GMT
Interesting they are starting up a show again called "In Search Of" that was on years ago and hosted by Lenard Nimoy and the new host is whats his face, the new spock from the movies (can't remember his name).
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 28, 2018 1:39:35 GMT
Interesting they are starting up a show again called "In Search Of" that was on years ago and hosted by Lenard Nimoy and the new host is whats his face, the new spock from the movies (can't remember his name). One of my favorite childhood shows.
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Post by Obadiah on Sept 1, 2018 12:19:15 GMT
Not sure if this was already posted, but it looks like Discovery will be released on BluRay in November 13th. I'll finally get to see what all the hype is about.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Sept 19, 2018 0:51:33 GMT
The only deaths that were meaningful was the original Enterprise 1701 (TOS) and Enterprise-D. I grew up on TOS so that scene brought a lump to my throat, the E-D is less but I felt its lost all the same.
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Post by KrrKs on Sept 26, 2018 14:38:59 GMT
And, CBS does it again: Stage 9, the (damn impressive) fan made recreation of the Enterprise-D got a C&D letter. Looks like there is already a petition going to 'save Stage 9'. But considering how that turned out w.r.t. Axanar or the 'Fan film guidelines', I don't think CBS will listen.
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 9, 2018 18:30:02 GMT
So, I just watched the first season of STD (ahhh, that acronym just doesn't get old, does it?). Discovery spoilers ahead!Honestly, i ma not sure what to make of this series. It's super weird. It's got some great ideas in it but also some really horrible BS as well. For example, I find the main plot idea is not a bad one. It's a bit of a deconstruction of Star Trek, which takes the audience along the ride. The Lorca mirror universe twist was a masterpiece on a Fight Club level, at least for me. I didn't see it coming at all but in retrospect it was the only thing that really made sense. That the showrunners had the courage to endure weeks and weeks of righteous criticism from old school ST fans before revealing this one is commendable. I really give them Kudos for that. So I was quite happy with the overall plot ark of the show. The characters and dialogue lines however are undermining the series to no end. There is not a single "real" character on bord the Discovery. They all seems like one-dimensional, over-emotional self-analyzing assholes or morons (depending). It reminded me of Mass Effect: Andromeda in all the bad ways. There is barely a dialogue where two characters talk normally to each other. Every second sentence seems to have to be great revelations or accusations about one's own or each others motives and feelings. It doesn't help that each and every character seems to have either one particular trait or one particular instance in their life, that explains literally ALL their actions. For Michael for example, it all boils down to the Klingon raid. For Sarun, it's all about his species having evolved as prey. The doctor who gets killed is first, foremost and really only the partner of the science dude (who in turn is "the science dude"). The chatty cadet, well, don't get me started on her, and she ends up in command school, seriously? I could go on but you get the point. But not enough that every character just has one trait, no, they also have to rub it in your face in every single dialogue line, presumably so that even those kids who post on facebook while watching the show get it at some point. Again, it's like Andromeda's "one time in crisis response ..." Liam or "I'm a free spirit" Peebee. It's horrible. Compare that to any character from one of the old shows and even if you confine yourself to first seasons, you'll find so much more depth and complexity in each and everyone of them. Let's take the example of Captain Sisko: yes he was scarred by the Wolf359 battle and the loss of his wife but just in the first few episodes, we also learn of his technical aptitude and career in ship design, his love for baseball, his role as a father, that he is a passionate cook, we learn of his ambivalent attitude towards his role as religious figure on Bajor and so on and so on. And we don't learn it because someone is screaming (or intently whispering) it at us but because we see him do shit or or because we watch his facial expressions while reacting to others. It's just so much more natural and therefore more believable than anything in Discovery. Honestly, my favorite Character in the show was Harcourt Fenton Mudd. That should tell you everything you need to know. Which also brings me to the ultimate question that everyone who's reviewed this show probably asked: Is this Trek? Well, kinda. As I said, I think the main plot, especially with the Lorca Twist deliberately undermines the Trek premise and philosophy, only to later go back and say "see what I did there?". That's cool IMO. Unfortunately, just like with the characters, also with the trek philosophy, the showrunners and authors too often try to use a hammer it into the series, instead of weaving it in. One symptom here the constant repetition of the sentence "We do/don't do this because we are Starfleet!" Preferably said by someone in a preaching tne with epic music playing in the background. It's almost used like an antithesis to 330's "we are Sparta" because Starfleet doesn't just kick people down a cliff, right? But the problem is, in this show, people seem to feel that they need to be "the good guys" because they are in Starfleet. But that's having it backwards, in "the old" Trek, Starfleet was good because it was made up of good people. They had a moral compass to begin with and that's why they were in Starfleet to begin with. Sure, there were exceptions (Admiral Dougherty in Insurrection comes to mind for example) but overall, it was established that the protagonists would do the right thing. That freed up the plot to put them in really difficult moral dilemmas (which e.g. the Prime Directive often provided, which is why it became so famous even beyond Trekkies). In Discovery, often the moral choices in the situations are pretty clear but the Characters apparently can't see them and need to be convinced or reminded ("hey, you are in Starfleet, remember?"). It's kind of the same philosophy but applying it backwards. Besides, the show deviates in another respect: In the old Trek, humans were portrayed as utopian society of intelligent, morally grounded and decent people. That's what gave the franchise the sense of hope for our future that became a staple of it. Still, social commentary was given, through the simple trick of using alien races as allegories for today's humanity with an emphasis on different specific problems with every new world that the Enterprise would discover in each episode. It's a simplistic premise but it was very effective. Discovery on the other hand puts all the problems, doubts, uncertainties and issues squarely back to the human race. That changes the entire tapestry of what the Federation is apparently made out of and thus also undermines that "we are Starfleet" holier than holy attitude because if Starfleet is really made up of all those flawed individuals (who need to be flawed to provide the social commentary and criticism) and a utopian idealistic Starfleet as a whole becomes unbelievable. Those are the main problems I have with this being a Star Trek series. Smaller issues like canon inconsistencies (the spore drive, the tech that looks more like 25th century than pre-TOS, the new klingons, the vulcan Starfleet admiral) are still very much annoying (I hate these kinds of half-reboots) but they pale in comparison to the big issue described above, at least in my mind as someone who mainly grew up with 90s Star Trek (TNG mostly). And I have to ask: If you are bringing in so many inconsistencies, why make a prequel? This series could have worked just as well if it were set in, say, the 2390s, 10 or 15 years after the latest TNG installments. Then at least, none of these smaller issues would have been a problem. Ah well, as I said, I didn't entirely dislike the series as a whole, it certainly had its moments and I also don't want to judge too harshly because even my favorite ST series (TNG) needed 2-3 seasons before it became really good. So who knows, maybe Discovery will develop into something more over time but if that is to be the case, the authors must review the concept of their characters quite a bit. All in all, I'll give season one about 5.5/10 spore canisters.
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