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Post by colfoley on Mar 25, 2019 23:16:45 GMT
You know why I like Pike?
I have decided I like Pike because he is what Picard should've been. He is a Captain who is on the older side, tends to lead from the rear, has a certain wisdom and stature about him and is more of a paragon of virtue and Federation values demanding and instilling that in his officers and those around him. But gone is Picard's arrogance, gone is the tactical stupidity, and the hypocrisy. Honestly I get the feeling sometimes that Riker would've made a far better Captain of the Enterprise D...but he often suffered from the same tactical flaws as his superior officer.
Instead Pike is earthy and relatable, he is an idealist but isn't afraid to prep for battle and show his teeth if he needs to. He is non judgemental and seems to have an honest respect for many different perspectives and ideologies. In many ways what a true poster boy for the Federation should've been.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 28, 2019 5:48:52 GMT
You know why I like Pike? I have decided I like Pike because he is what Picard should've been. He is a Captain who is on the older side, tends to lead from the rear, has a certain wisdom and stature about him and is more of a paragon of virtue and Federation values demanding and instilling that in his officers and those around him. But gone is Picard's arrogance, gone is the tactical stupidity, and the hypocrisy. Honestly I get the feeling sometimes that Riker would've made a far better Captain of the Enterprise D...but he often suffered from the same tactical flaws as his superior officer. Instead Pike is earthy and relatable, he is an idealist but isn't afraid to prep for battle and show his teeth if he needs to. He is non judgemental and seems to have an honest respect for many different perspectives and ideologies. In many ways what a true poster boy for the Federation should've been. I think it's a sign of the era both Pike and Picard were born in.
The Federation of the TOS era was still relatively young and inexperienced in terms of a galactic power.
This reflects the enthusiasm (and occasional recklessness) in which Starfleet makes it their mission to "seek out new life and new civilisations", more simply for the hell of it, rather than expanding a border and influence (though that certainly helped). Their zeal to explore was however tempered with a sense of caution, because they knew that the frontiers were still largely unknown and they had to contend with other powers (such as Klingons and Romulans) that would gladly see them fall. They understood the odds were more often against them, so they had to exercise restraint or be willing to take action to swing things in their favour.
The Federation of the TNG era meanwhile has become old and complacent.
No longer do they seem to as enthusiastically venture into the frontier simply for fun, but now it's more about waving the flag and spreading the Starfleet gospel. Having mastered their region of space and made (relative) peace with their various neighbours/enemies, the Federation has let themselves become overconfident and more than a little arrogant, with other races even commenting on their smug sense of superiority at times. They have become peaceful to the point of indolence, insisting on appeasement and maintaining bad treaties (that the other side is flagrantly violating) rather than risk another conflict.
As horrible as Wolf 359 and the Dominion War were, it was precisely the wake-up call the Federation needed to snap some sense back into their heads. Both those conflicts made them realise that they could indeed fall like any other empire in history, especially if they continued to idly sit on their laurels.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 28, 2019 7:46:10 GMT
You know why I like Pike? I have decided I like Pike because he is what Picard should've been. He is a Captain who is on the older side, tends to lead from the rear, has a certain wisdom and stature about him and is more of a paragon of virtue and Federation values demanding and instilling that in his officers and those around him. But gone is Picard's arrogance, gone is the tactical stupidity, and the hypocrisy. Honestly I get the feeling sometimes that Riker would've made a far better Captain of the Enterprise D...but he often suffered from the same tactical flaws as his superior officer. Instead Pike is earthy and relatable, he is an idealist but isn't afraid to prep for battle and show his teeth if he needs to. He is non judgemental and seems to have an honest respect for many different perspectives and ideologies. In many ways what a true poster boy for the Federation should've been. I think it's a sign of the era both Pike and Picard were born in.
The Federation of the TOS era was still relatively young and inexperienced in terms of a galactic power.
This reflects the enthusiasm (and occasional recklessness) in which Starfleet makes it their mission to "seek out new life and new civilisations", more simply for the hell of it, rather than expanding a border and influence (though that certainly helped). Their zeal to explore was however tempered with a sense of caution, because they knew that the frontiers were still largely unknown and they had to contend with other powers (such as Klingons and Romulans) that would gladly see them fall. They understood the odds were more often against them, so they had to exercise restraint or be willing to take action to swing things in their favour.
The Federation of the TNG era meanwhile has become old and complacent.
No longer do they seem to as enthusiastically venture into the frontier simply for fun, but now it's more about waving the flag and spreading the Starfleet gospel. Having mastered their region of space and made (relative) peace with their various neighbours/enemies, the Federation has let themselves become overconfident and more than a little arrogant, with other races even commenting on their smug sense of superiority at times. They have become peaceful to the point of indolence, insisting on appeasement and maintaining bad treaties (that the other side is flagrantly violating) rather than risk another conflict.
As horrible as Wolf 359 and the Dominion War were, it was precisely the wake-up call the Federation needed to snap some sense back into their heads. Both those conflicts made them realise that they could indeed fall like any other empire in history, especially if they continued to idly sit on their laurels.
Indeed. I suspect it all goes back to Roddenberry too and his pure idealism for the real world...pressure to. It just was really painful to watch TNG at times because of the stupid idiotic tactics and the frankly pure disregard for human life at times. Time and time again Picard (and Riker) would let the shields drain absurdly low, to the point of complete shield collapse a couple of times, before responding in kind and actually defending the ship. Perhaps the most egregious example was during the fight against the Borg. And this was especially bad because keep in mind the Enterprise-D had A. civilians and even full families aboard and B. the shields was the last line of defense sine the Galaxy Class never looked especially sturdy or that they had 'armor'. The shields. Were. It. Now the shields in TNG era were probably the most magical and Starfleet's ideology and tactics at the time was probably along the lines of stuffing enough phasers and topedoes into the hull that they could effectively 'catch up' if the shields were almost gone. But needless to say Starfleet did get over that especially annoying habbit by the time of the Dominion...or at least Sisko did. And while Pike's prowess in starship combat has not really been established yet how he handled the Ba'oule seems to indicate that he would not politely stand aside and let an opponent just blithely tear his ship apart. Anyways in other news after watching the Red Angel (great episode btw) I have come to the conclusion that Doctor Who is a sci fi franchise about a time traveler and following him and his perspective on traveling through time and changes in the timeline...but Star Trek is a show about a bunch of non time travelers reacting to the changes wrought by time travelers on their timeline. This is Star Trek and I know the lack of continuity shouldn't (and mostly doesen't) bother me, after all Star Trek has almost never cared about internal continuity. But...some of the stuff with all this being said the whole Section 31 thing is bugging me. And while I do believe that bad writing can be good writing if you do it well and do something interesting with it then it can be good writing. And they...aren't doing anything interesting with it. Section 31 is just so different from its portrayal in DS9 (and even in Enterprise) that I can't reconcile the two like I could with the Spore Drive. Anyways it is the one reason that so far I am liking season 1 just a tad bit more then season 2. I say this with a lot of reservation because in some ways the back half of season 1 was weaer then the front half 'Klingon War' arc so maybe it will flip and I think at this point in Season 1 we just got to the Terran Universe so it could start getting better. Still greatly enjoying it and Disc is definitly among my favorite Star Treks, just kind of annoyed right now lol.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 29, 2019 5:51:47 GMT
Time and time again Picard (and Riker) would let the shields drain absurdly low, to the point of complete shield collapse a couple of times, before responding in kind and actually defending the ship. I always chuckle at SFDebris' description of this as the "Kick my ass for a while, please" school of space combat.
It's bad on TNG, but seems to be a constant problem on Voyager and makes you really wonder how Janeway actually got the ship home if she planned to play chicken with the shields all the way to the Alpha Quadrant.
The Doctor's brief tenure as the ECH in "Workforce Part 1" always stood out to me as highlight the incompetency of Janeway/Chakotay to command Voyager in these types of situations, by showing us how it should be done.
Doctor: This is the Federation Starship Voyager, disengage your tractor beam. Alien: Our scans show no life signs aboard your vessel, identify yourself. Doctor: I'm the Emergency Command Hologram.
Alien: Hologram? Doctor: That's right, now release my ship. Alien: Your crew has abandoned it. It belongs to me now. Doctor: I beg to differ. *The Doctor closes the channel* Doctor: Computer, target the vessels tractor emitter and open fire.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 29, 2019 6:07:04 GMT
Time and time again Picard (and Riker) would let the shields drain absurdly low, to the point of complete shield collapse a couple of times, before responding in kind and actually defending the ship. I always chuckle at SFDebris' description of this as the "Kick my ass for a while, please" school of space combat.
It's bad on TNG, but seems to be a constant problem on Voyager and makes you really wonder how Janeway actually got the ship home if she's planned to play chicken with the shields all the way to the Alpha Quadrant.
The Doctor's brief tenure as the ECH in "Workforce Part 1" always stood out to me as highlight the incompetency of Janeway/Chakotay to command Voyager in these types of situations, by showing us how it should be done.
Doctor: This is the Federation Starship Voyager, disengage your tractor beam. Alien: Our scans show no life signs aboard your vessel, identify yourself. Doctor: I'm the Emergency Command Hologram.
Alien: Hologram? Doctor: That's right, now release my ship. Alien: Your crew has abandoned it. It belongs to me now. Doctor: I beg to differ. *The Doctor closes the channel* Doctor: Computer, target the vessels tractor emitter and open fire. huh. I never noticed that being that big a problem in Voyager. Honestly, as far as combat in Trek is concerned a weapons lock is enough justification to start firing.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 9, 2019 7:05:07 GMT
Caught up on Disc. Great ep But holy frikin Andrastae next week.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 9, 2019 12:37:00 GMT
The latest episode (hell, this entire series) has made me wish that Pike was our protagonist, rather than Burnham.
Congratulations CBS... you've bungled Discovery and come up with a ton of bad spin off ideas, while failing to realise you've accidentally pitched a great Pike/Spock prequel series that people might actually enjoy watching.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 10, 2019 7:30:46 GMT
The latest episode (hell, this entire series) has made me wish that Pike was our protagonist, rather than Burnham. Congratulations CBS... you've bungled Discovery and come up with a ton of bad spin off ideas, while failing to realise you've accidentally pitched a great Pike/Spock prequel series that people might actually enjoy watching. With all the DA 4 news I almost forgot about this...almost. When you get down to it most modern entertainment, far beyond television...these days most people and even writers seem to prefer characters that go on arcs...either positive or negative. This is pretty much true for a lot of characters outside of the Trek verse and especially true of any protagonist of any of the stories we tend to...consume. Now Old Trek characters and their 'protagonists' which are the Captains tend to be flatter characters. They don't go on any arc. They just are. This has changed more and more dramatically in later years with Captains like Sisko and...well Michael Burnham. Michael Burnham is often portrayed as a deeply deeply flawed character which is why when anyone acuses her of being a Mary Sue I find it in this case especially laughable. And she definitley went on an arc in season 1. She believed a great lie where she would have to compromise her principles in order to stop a war...which just led to the war she was trying to prevent...so during season 1 she learned not to compromise. Her arc in season 2 is a bit harder to define but its clear she is still on one. Pike on the other hand is the very definition of a 'flat' character. He is the same Pike now as when he started the season and when he will leave at the end. Which just isn't that popular these days. I mean even in the last episode Pike, despite the horrible thing he witnessed was all like 'you think witnessing this thing will make me give up my principles?' I would have rather seen him grapple with the decision but then that would imply he were on an arc, he isn't. Actually the whole sequence reminded me of Tapestry but that is a discussion for another time. Suffice to say though despite all this I think I would watch the crap out of a spin off featuring Pike's command of the Enterprise before Kirk comes on the scene. I think it would do very well and with Anson Mount it would be exactly the kind of prequel I think Star Trek could need. And there is some speculation we might just get something like that.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 10, 2019 14:35:53 GMT
I agree about past Captains being relatively "flat" characters. Take Sisko for instance, he does have an arc that spans seven seasons, where he comes to terms with his wife's death, finds love again, fights in the Dominion War and comes to embrace his role as the Emissary. But most of his major development happens only once the Dominion enter the scene, around the same time he shaved his head and grew a goatee. Early on though, most of his character stuff typically involved him either being a dad or the commander of DS9. Whether or not Burnham as a Mary Sue is a little iffy. Her backstory as the previously unknown ward to Sarek definitely puts her in this territory, not helped by how a lot of (early) S1 seemed to go out of it's way to try to prove her always right, whiling painting her myriad character flaws as though they were virtues. The show thankfully has recognised the fan criticisms towards the character and worked to mitigate them from mid-S1 and going into S2. Not only has she softened as a character and become less of an arrogant know-it-all, but she has started to (mostly) rein in her behaviour after other characters started to put her on blast. I was glad when the show acknowledged how dangerously unhealthy her pathological need to be the one to solve everything actually was.
Burnham did start out as a bit of a Sue, but even though she's not one now, the damage may have already been done. In that way, she's similar to Wesley Crusher, who even after improving as a character later on in TNG, never fully escaped the ire he earned as the Wunderkind Ubermensch he was often touted as in S1.
I'm still not a fan of Burnham, but I wouldn't call her a Sue, nor say she has not improved for the better.
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Post by phoray on Apr 13, 2019 23:26:48 GMT
Episode 4 got me in the feelz.
It was still bull shit. From Digital Antibodies that didn't even get the "modify the deflector" treatment, to Saru asking Burnham to off him without Medical Team permission for ritual euthanasia, to the Captain being kept entirely oblivious of an alien life form taking control of people in the engineering bay. Oh yeah-- drilling a hole for the cortical implant? Frankenstein illegal science they just commit to at the drop of a hat?
The only thing that was cool was the planet that we'll probably never hear of again.
And Pike has no personality. I want the grumpy evil man back.
he would have cut through all the crying and put people straight
Episode 5 I was calling for the monster to be Lorca so bad. I can't say I'm horribly disappointed they brought back the best Star Trek couple since Jadzia Dax and Warf.
Hate Ash so so so so so so so much I can't even.
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Episode 4 got me in the feelz. It was still bull shit. From Digital Antibodies that didn't even get the "modify the deflector" treatment, to Saru asking Burnham to off him without Medical Team permission for ritual euthanasia, to the Captain being kept entirely oblivious of an alien life form taking control of people in the engineering bay. Oh yeah-- drilling a hole for the cortical implant? Frankenstein illegal science they just commit to at the drop of a hat? The only thing that was cool was the planet that we'll probably never hear of again. And Pike has no personality. I want the grumpy evil man back. he would have cut through all the crying and put people straight Episode 5 I was calling for the monster to be Lorca so bad. I can't say I'm horribly disappointed they brought back the best Star Trek couple since Jadzia Dax and Warf. Hate Ash so so so so so so so much I can't even. I seem to be very confused about what episode 4 was because I can't really place which one you are talking about...its like 2 of them smooshed together. But LOOOOOOOOLLL about the comment on Lorca. That would've been cool. Speaking about Lorca I guess one of the novels (of the usual questionable cannonicty) reveals that the prime version is still alive in the mirror verse.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 17, 2019 1:12:01 GMT
My thoughts on such sweet sorrow: very well done might be the best of the season to this point. Lots of little character moments nice slow build up for next week, and Pike continues to be awesome. Just superbly well done and it did pay off some of the issues I was having. And yes that torpedo is gonna play a role next week. Also tactical flyers. We could be getting Treks first 'carrier' battle.
Which brings me to what I didn't like...Ash frickin Tyler. Now I loved Ash's character and arc from season 1 but this season he...and a lot of the season 1 cast...has seemed really aimless. And now we finally got some interesting stuff, imo, and some shades of season 1 Tyler...and now he is going off to keep an eye on Section 31 and never to be seen again...maybe. Which I get it is well within his character to do...that. But this is pretty much what happened to him in season 1. Interesting arc, then left and his story was wrapped up. Season 2, he's back, doesen't do a whole lot, then leaves again...why make him come back?!
The bridge of the Enterprise looks...good and quite beautiful in one way. Sleek and advanced. But I am torn because they seem to want to have their cake and eat it too. Bring the set up to modern standards...but then they still have their grandfather's old recliner sticking out like a sore thumb in the center. The helm is similarly...garish. It looks sleek and the standards of Federation oppulance but then it sticks out like a sore thumb. Which brings me to Georgieu...what the heck was that comment? Most of the color pallet on the bridge seemed more blue to me only the helm was 'Orange' what was she seeing?
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Post by Sifr on Apr 17, 2019 18:39:15 GMT
Speaking about Lorca I guess one of the novels (of the usual questionable cannonicty) reveals that the prime version is still alive in the mirror verse. That fits my headcanon that if anyone could survive in the Mirror Universe, it would be Lorca.
If Prime Lorca is only slightly less ruthless than his Terran counterpart, it would explain how no-one noticed the switch.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 17, 2019 18:43:50 GMT
Speaking about Lorca I guess one of the novels (of the usual questionable cannonicty) reveals that the prime version is still alive in the mirror verse. That fits my headcanon that if anyone could survive in the Mirror Universe, it would be Lorca.
(I like to picture Prime Lorca is only slightly less ruthless than his Terran counterpart, which is how no-one noticed the switch)
I know! It took Cornwall sleeping with the guy and feeling his scars to freak out and no one batted an eye st his weapon's collection so that suggests it could've been Prime Lorca's and he just borrowed it.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 17, 2019 23:06:55 GMT
I know! It took Cornwall sleeping with the guy and feeling his scars to freak out and no one batted an eye st his weapon's collection so that suggests it could've been Prime Lorca's and he just borrowed it. He was even able to pass a psych test after the destruction of the Buran without Starfleet catching wind. Cornwell did notice some irregularities in his tests results (which was chalked up to PTSD), but that does imply Prime Lorca was not too psychologically dissimilar for his responses to seem that out-of-character from him.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 20, 2019 21:23:32 GMT
Did the finale remind anyone else of the "Principal and the Pauper" episode of The Simpsons at all?; Starfleet: I decree that everything will be just like it was before all of this happened. And no-one will ever mention Discovery and the spore drive again... under penalty of torture. Fans: Yaaaay!
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That was one of the finest hours of Trek ever.
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Post by Transcended One on Apr 23, 2019 21:37:42 GMT
I've finally pushed myself to obtain the Star Trek Stardate Collection with all of the 10 Original ST movies on BluRay. I felt since I enjoy rewatching some movies of the series from time to time I just needed to have it in physical format.
I also like all of them, yes EVEN The Final Frontier, AND the Abramsverse movies. So I guess I'm no real fan, huh!
This night I've watched The Motion Picture, considered by many one of the weaker ones. And in many cases for good reason. Personally I think the Director's Edition is far superior to the theatrical version released on this Blu-ray, since it fixes many of the quirks and pacing issues, and adding/improving much needed SFX shots (but not too much of the Star Wars OT-like stuff). I still liked rewatching the theatrical version. I was impressed by how much detail the HD version brings compared to the DVD one! All those ship model details! And the alien look of V'ger's spacecraft…
Here's hoping for the (U)HD remaster of TMP one day… (Apparently all of the CGI-renders still exist, and were even made with HD in mind, so it shouldn't be too difficult to make)
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Post by colfoley on Apr 24, 2019 1:13:44 GMT
So if you'll permit me, here are my thoughts on Such Sweet Sorrow pt. 2 and Disco season 2. So this was a really great episode. I think this is discos 'Blackwater' moment. Maybe even it's 'tresspasser' moment. It is so rare for me to specifically praise the directing of a work but this one left me wondering who the hell directed it because it had a frenetic energy throughout and really maintained a battle almost through 50 whole minutes. The music was also really good usually the only two pieces of music that have been good are the theme and the spore stuff. This had a few really great tracks and was visually stunning. The good: OK this was really Pike's time to shine. He confirmed my thoughts on his command style from earlier in the season. He didn't wait patiently for control to blow up his ship just instantly started shooting and managing the fleet. Really reminded me of Sisko in the end. And if there is a Pike series then they need to include that com officer. What a delightful moment when he instantly obeyed the order that Pike was going to give which was a nod to how well trained his people are and let him focus on the battle. My only complaint here is they should've had number one commanding the Enterprise specifically but that might've been too confusing.
Liked the fight with Leland.
This finale really paid off and 'fixed' a lot of the problems that I was having with season 2. The slow pacing paid off because everything was literally leading to this. The Culber/Stamets arc was paid off organically. Everyone had something to do. And it really felt like the entire two seasons was leading to this moment.
Which it kind of did. With Starfleet classifying everything it solves all those nagging pesky cannon issues. This, as far as the fleet is concerned, never happened. But I applaud the writers for sticking to their guns this way. They could've easily just did a hand wave of this a long time ago, Discovery could've been sucked into a temporal anamoly at the end of season 1 or they could've made her a section 31 vessel. But they actually told a story which set up the circumstances for this to happen. And it really felt organic. The confusing: So they had '200 hundred' ships, eh? They used them well in the episode itself since this was basically Star Treks first actual 'carrier battle' ala BSG. But it really feels like they just threw out a number rather then actually considering things. I mean I know the JJprise had a lot larger hanger bay, and was also a lot larget, but that's a lot of ships. One hundred probably would've been fine, hell 50 would've been ideal probably and I doubt it would've changed the ep that much. Not to mention all the crew they needed to fly those things could've easily been over 200 officers out there.
And the little R2 drones. I liked them but man I can already hear the howoling of fandom, and have already heard some people complain about them. They make a lot of sense that Starfleet SHOULD have things like them but we've never seen them, so people will complain and it is interesting that an episode that filled in so many plotholes they still can't resist stretching canon here and there.
Both the tactical flyers and the work drones made me wish, once more, that this was jusst its own franchise and not 'Star Trek.' I like the show, I accept it as Trek but I think people in general would be more accepting of things like this if it were just a show which paid omage to Trek rather then a new Trek. Maybe not, who knows.
The colors of the weapons seemed like they were inconsistant. For most of the episode blue for the good guys, red for control, ok cool got it. But then when the control capital ships (for lack of a better term) finally closed they started firing blue beams. Which I don't want to think they could've made a mistake like that, and its a pretty minor mistake but there has to be something I missed.
Back to the tactical flyers someone posited after the ep that they might've been drones themselves, rewatching the battle that's certainly possible, they were awfully small, but I could've sworn I saw a cockpit too so I think they were likely manned.
And finally the shields. Shields have never been consistent in Trek so not a huge problem buuuuutt these have to be the most effective shields in history. I mean for most of the ep they were dealing with small 'fighter' craft which could explin the pounding but even then man did they took a pounding. The bad: So Cornwell's death. It was handled well, as a review I watched mentioned Jayne Brook did a hell of a good job acting and I loved the convo between her and Pike about his implied destiny. Also when Pike came to the bridge I liked that he was definitley suffering information overload and the battle was finally getting to him until he snapped out of it because of Spock. BUT, when I first saw the ep I thought they were going to eject the section into space with Cornewll in it, it would've been fitting. Which would've made a lot of sense. I mean I hate the trope that just because something penetrates the hull the ship just explodes but really, this is an anti matter warhead which was established to take out most of the saucer section, and just because they closed a door it contained or redirected the blast? Please. And ejecting it at the last second would've changed little about the scene...hence bad writing.
I thought Burnham jumping through the past was way too overdrawn. They should've just ended it after the first 3 by then it would've been implied but they kept flipping back and forth just...why? Even just cut that bit out make the ep shorter if you have to but that was just...silly.
Which brings me to the deaths. It genuinely felt like most of the crew was in danger. That was nice. But really someone should've died on Discovery, unless I missed something. Also towards the beginning of the episode you had a mention 'hull breach, 7 confirmed dead'...but no mention of casualties after that. They missed two golden opportunities to update us on the loss of life both when Pike exited the lift or when they were debriefing at Starfleet. So yeah great episode. So I really liked this season and it ended being 'stronger' then season 1. Still think the tilly subplot was handled poorly from the earlier season and the culber thing was probably unneeded despite it working in the end. Still there was a lot of great character moments. Pike, Spock, Reno, Phillipa, and L'Rell all had some really strong moments where they carried the show in places. As far as the future is concerned: Really looking forward to season 3. It could borrow heavily from yet another sci fi franchises but I've been wanting this kind of plotline for awhile now anyways so I just hope they continue the foundation laid in 'Such Sweet Sorrow' and give us a great season 3 and not a self parody. No interest in the Picard series. Interested in the Section 31 series even though Kurtzman seems to have an unhealthy obssession with that show. Still, Starfleet black ops, could be interesting indeed. And the potential of a Pike show...I doubt they are going to do it but either way it is impressive what they have done so far and has given us a new bridge for the Enterprise and it just shows the love and devotion the CBS executives have to this and the success of the All Access subscription model. You want to build a new bridge? OK. You need an extra ep to finish your plotline? Fantastic. I suspect that such a show could be a lot more like OG Trek: 'Flat' Characters and very episodic. I am expecting though that Mount and Peck's acting should still carry it and make such a format interesting even if its not my usual cup of tea...though I would also hope that each season would have an overarching plotline that is sort of teased each episode to be resolved at the end like most TV these days, or Farscape more specifically.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 25, 2019 3:55:31 GMT
I also like all of them, yes EVEN The Final Frontier, AND the Abramsverse movies. So I guess I'm no real fan, huh! All I'm saying is... if they can retcon an adopted human sister for Spock, then why can't Sybok be canon?
Interested in the Section 31 series even though Kurtzman seems to have an unhealthy obssession with that show. Still, Starfleet black ops, could be interesting indeed. I'm still on the fence about it. I've always loved Section 31 and would prefer any series about them to be done justice, which I don't think Kurtzman is capable of giving the project. That said, if they could pull off a type of "Agents of SHIELD" style series set in the Trek universe, I'd be all for it.
And the potential of a Pike show...I doubt they are going to do it but either way it is impressive what they have done so far and has given us a new bridge for the Enterprise and it just shows the love and devotion the CBS executives have to this and the success of the All Access subscription model. You want to build a new bridge? OK. You need an extra ep to finish your plotline? Fantastic. I suspect that such a show could be a lot more like OG Trek: 'Flat' Characters and very episodic. I am expecting though that Mount and Peck's acting should still carry it and make such a format interesting even if its not my usual cup of tea...though I would also hope that each season would have an overarching plotline that is sort of teased each episode to be resolved at the end like most TV these days, or Farscape more specifically. If they could convince Anson Mount, Ethan Peck and Rebecca Romijin to come back for a spin-off series, that would be grand.
Was I the only person who thought that the writers seemed to make the finale far more about the Enterprise than the Discovery? Maybe that tells us what series they'd actually prefer to be writing, rather than the one that they're doing now.
I'm not saying I want the show to end.... but the way S2 ended would easily suit a series finale, if they decide not to do S3 after all?
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Post by colfoley on Apr 25, 2019 7:29:23 GMT
I also like all of them, yes EVEN The Final Frontier, AND the Abramsverse movies. So I guess I'm no real fan, huh! All I'm saying is... if they can retcon an adopted human sister for Spock, then why can't Sybok be canon?
Interested in the Section 31 series even though Kurtzman seems to have an unhealthy obssession with that show. Still, Starfleet black ops, could be interesting indeed. I'm still on the fence about it. I've always loved Section 31 and would prefer any series about them to be done justice, which I don't think Kurtzman is capable of giving the project. That said, if they could pull off a type of "Agents of SHIELD" style series set in the Trek universe, I'd be all for it.
And the potential of a Pike show...I doubt they are going to do it but either way it is impressive what they have done so far and has given us a new bridge for the Enterprise and it just shows the love and devotion the CBS executives have to this and the success of the All Access subscription model. You want to build a new bridge? OK. You need an extra ep to finish your plotline? Fantastic. I suspect that such a show could be a lot more like OG Trek: 'Flat' Characters and very episodic. I am expecting though that Mount and Peck's acting should still carry it and make such a format interesting even if its not my usual cup of tea...though I would also hope that each season would have an overarching plotline that is sort of teased each episode to be resolved at the end like most TV these days, or Farscape more specifically. If they could convince Anson Mount, Ethan Peck and Rebecca Romijin to come back for a spin-off series, that would be grand.
Was I the only person who thought that the writers seemed to make the finale far more about the Enterprise than the Discovery? Maybe that tells us what series they'd actually prefer to be writing, rather than the one that they're doing now.
I'm not saying I want the show to end.... but the way S2 ended would easily suit a series finale, if they decide not to do S3 after all?
I think the two reasons that the Enterprise was used too much are: 1. Out of character: Given the events of the show and the finale they really only had this one chance to play with the Enterprise. It was fan service, it was glorious nostalgia, but it was really the last chance to give the fans this sort of fan pleasing thing that we would want. And they went through all that trouble so it was like 'we're in the 23rd century, lets give the fans the Enterprise.' 2. In Character: The Enterprise was the obvious ship that would be the 'flag' ship/ carrier. Pike was essentially in command of the battle and was the most active participant as they were trying to defend Discovery. So a good bit of the action would be centered on that ship. Besides it might not actually be reality that the Enterprise was featured for the majority just actually our perception of events. So as for why we probably won't get one...given how picky Trek fans tend to be about cannon and continuity I doubt they would want to risk anything else set in the past. Sure they could probably mitigate a lot of this but they can't gurantee that they won't just be airing an episode and some Lore Lord notices some random line that contradicts a future ep and they'll never hear the end of it. Plus if they were to follow canon (unless they get clever) that means pretty much no Romulans, no Gorn, no Borg, no any of the species Kirk made first contact with...the galaxy was a lot smaller back then. Plus the typical problem with prequels that at least 2/3rds of that cast wouldn't be in any danger whatsoever, again another risky thing to balance. That being said the fact that they 'rebuilt' the bridge did make me think that it is possible that they are still going in that direction.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 26, 2019 1:23:28 GMT
Don't know if anyone will care but I am probably going to start writing a brief little Trek fic after I get done with my rough draft for my second novel following the events of Such Sweet Sorrow. If anyone is interested I might post it?
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Post by AnDromedary on May 16, 2019 20:32:11 GMT
So apparently the new series will just be called Star Trek: Picard. I find that a bit unimaginative. I'd have called it "To baldly go..." But it looks like the series might come to amazon prime, which would be great. No need to get myself another one of those CBS trial months.
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