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Post by Transcended One on Oct 16, 2017 15:46:09 GMT
#5 is tonight! Hope to be able to see it. In re-runs, we watched the Little Green Men yesterday, I had so much fun at the comedy in it. My kiddo is too young to understand what is being parodied so she was really confused with everyone smoking, heh. Was that the DS9 episodes where our favourite Ferengi family managed to get back in time to Earth during the Cold War/Area 51 stuff? I've yet to revisit season 2-7 of DS9, but I remember it being quite interesting back in the day!
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 16, 2017 15:46:24 GMT
Well, I've officially gotten back into DS9 Fanfiction. I thought I left it behind forever... Oh well, what with all the Garak/Bashir plots, I need to put in a good Ezri/Julian fic that keeps some elements of the DS9 Relaunch-novels intact (i.e. Ezri transferring to the Command-track, Julian transferring to Intelligence and getting recruited into Section 31,) while ignoring other bits.
On the plus side, the novels have no official standing in the canon, so what you don't like is easily substituted (hell several stories were made by fan-writers who paid to have licensing for their books.)
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 16, 2017 15:47:18 GMT
#5 is tonight! Hope to be able to see it. In re-runs, we watched the Little Green Men yesterday, I had so much fun at the comedy in it. My kiddo is too young to understand what is being parodied so she was really confused with everyone smoking, heh. Was that the DS9 episodes where our favourite Ferengi family managed to get back in time to Earth during the Cold War/Area 51 stuff? I've yet to revisit season 2-7 of DS9, but I remember it being quite interesting back in the day! Ugh, Ferengi episodes... The only good one is 'Business as Usual.'
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 17:00:54 GMT
#5 is tonight! Hope to be able to see it. In re-runs, we watched the Little Green Men yesterday, I had so much fun at the comedy in it. My kiddo is too young to understand what is being parodied so she was really confused with everyone smoking, heh. Was that the DS9 episodes where our favourite Ferengi family managed to get back in time to Earth during the Cold War/Area 51 stuff? I've yet to revisit season 2-7 of DS9, but I remember it being quite interesting back in the day! Yep, the one. Certainly hilarious & a nice change of pace from the war stuff. Quark also had a great bit in the other episode we were watching, the one with the Defiant protecting a ship from Jem Hadaar in a nebula.
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Post by Transcended One on Oct 16, 2017 18:30:56 GMT
Heh funny: Most decorated captains in the Discovery Timeline (episode 5): -Robert April -Jonathan Archer -Matthew Decker -Philippa Georgiou -Christopher Pike We all know about Archer (captain of the NX-01 Enterprise), and Pike (captain of the Constitution Class Enterprise before Kirk). And Georgiou. Matt Decker was the captain of the USS Constellation, destroyed by the planet killer in The Doomsday Machine. Robert April was the first captain of Kirk's Enterprise, according to officially non-canon The Animated Series. memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_AprilSo yeah, considering the timeframe, the Constitutions should already be around...
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Post by Cyonan on Oct 16, 2017 18:52:52 GMT
Heh funny: Most decorated captains in the Discovery Timeline (episode 5): -Robert April -Jonathan Archer -Matthew Decker -Philippa Georgiou -Christopher Pike We all know about Archer (captain of the NX-01 Enterprise), and Pike (captain of the Constitution Class Enterprise before Kirk). And Georgiou. Matt Decker was the captain of the USS Constellation, destroyed by the planet killer in The Doomsday Machine. Robert April was the first captain of Kirk's Enterprise, according to officially non-canon The Animated Series. memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_AprilSo yeah, considering the timeframe, the Constitutions should already be around... If I remember right the Enterprise itself was first put into service around the time that Discovery takes place, and it was part of the first batch of Constitution class ships. Despite that there was only 12 of them at first their role as a heavy cruiser means I fully expect that given the story arc that Discovery is taking that we'll see one at some point, if not see the Enterprise itself. I really hope it's not the Enterprise although I agree with Hype that it's probably more of a when rather than if, and that I really hope they don't include Spock(as Spock served under Pike prior to Kirk and the 5 year mission).
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Post by Transcended One on Oct 16, 2017 19:46:38 GMT
Heh funny: Most decorated captains in the Discovery Timeline (episode 5): -Robert April -Jonathan Archer -Matthew Decker -Philippa Georgiou -Christopher Pike We all know about Archer (captain of the NX-01 Enterprise), and Pike (captain of the Constitution Class Enterprise before Kirk). And Georgiou. Matt Decker was the captain of the USS Constellation, destroyed by the planet killer in The Doomsday Machine. Robert April was the first captain of Kirk's Enterprise, according to officially non-canon The Animated Series. memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_AprilSo yeah, considering the timeframe, the Constitutions should already be around... If I remember right the Enterprise itself was first put into service around the time that Discovery takes place, and it was part of the first batch of Constitution class ships. Despite that there was only 12 of them at first their role as a heavy cruiser means I fully expect that given the story arc that Discovery is taking that we'll see one at some point, if not see the Enterprise itself. I really hope it's not the Enterprise although I agree with Hype that it's probably more of a when rather than if, and that I really hope they don't include Spock(as Spock served under Pike prior to Kirk and the 5 year mission). The Enterprise was in most cases the second ship of it's class (after the Constitution, but also later after the Ambassador, Galaxy, and Sovereign. Not sure about the Enterprise-B though...), so there at least should be two of them. Exploring strange new worlds and all... But I hear you: IF they appear on Discovery, they can try to adhere to continuity and having it look like the TOS Enterprise (like they did in Enterprise), but because of the technology gap (you can't have the second-most advanced ship looking outdated on the inside right?), and the Klingon ships looking a bit different, I don't see this happening. Then again, the Abramsverse Enterprise looks closer to the TMP Enterprise than the TOS one, so even though that's an alternate timeline, where Klingons already look different, Discovery's CGI looks a bit similar, and the technology isn't really that different either, and that series of movies is more 'current'. So it would be my best guess for that one... EDIT: But not the Enterprise itself, I'd rather have one of the other ones. Perhaps one of the ill-fated ones like the Constellation, Intrepid, or Excalibur.
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Post by Cyonan on Oct 16, 2017 20:06:15 GMT
If I remember right the Enterprise itself was first put into service around the time that Discovery takes place, and it was part of the first batch of Constitution class ships. Despite that there was only 12 of them at first their role as a heavy cruiser means I fully expect that given the story arc that Discovery is taking that we'll see one at some point, if not see the Enterprise itself. I really hope it's not the Enterprise although I agree with Hype that it's probably more of a when rather than if, and that I really hope they don't include Spock(as Spock served under Pike prior to Kirk and the 5 year mission). The Enterprise was in most cases the second ship of it's class (after the Constitution, but also later after the Ambassador, Galaxy, and Sovereign. Not sure about the Enterprise-B though...), so there at least should be two of them. Exploring strange new worlds and all... But I hear you: IF they appear on Discovery, they can try to adhere to continuity and having it look like the TOS Enterprise (like they did in Enterprise), but because of the technology gap (you can't have the second-most advanced ship looking outdated on the inside right?), and the Klingon ships looking a bit different, I don't see this happening. Then again, the Abramsverse Enterprise looks closer to the TMP Enterprise than the TOS one, so even though that's an alternate timeline, where Klingons already look different, Discovery's CGI looks a bit similar, and the technology isn't really that different either, and that series of movies is more 'current'. So it would be my best guess for that one... EDIT: But not the Enterprise itself, I'd rather have one of the other ones. Perhaps one of the ill-fated ones like the Constellation, Intrepid, or Excalibur. From what I can find on the wiki the NCC-1701 was part of the first dozen of Constitution class ships, and then they built a NCC-1701-A later which was the one used in the later movies after they blew up the first one. My guess is that they're going to think it's too jarring to show TOS style given how outdated it looks compared to the Discovery which is only 10 years prior to the show itself. I could live with them doing a Constitution class ship in the show that has an updated look but keeps the same layout and general design of the TOS ships. It was going to happen eventually that they ditched the 60s sci-fi look of anything from the TOS era(which stopped making sense a while ago given that the NX-01 looks more advanced than Kirk's ship).
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Post by colfoley on Oct 16, 2017 20:43:33 GMT
So I intend to do a full review about Discovery after the first year is over because all the reviews right now seems a bit...premature. But I have finally narrowed it down to three causes of why I am really loving this show. 1. Compromised victories/ narrative reversals: The but moments in these scripts have been great. You think these was a victory? Nah its just leading to greater moral quandries and potential dangers for the crew. You think they won a victory? Nah they just revealed their positions. Actions have consequences. And long term consequences. Unlike much of Trek, finally, we are getting a long term story arc. 2. Real Moral quandries: Bob Brown (I know character in another show) once quoted...someone...as saying a moral choice is not between a right and a wrong, but because one would always do right, but between two wrong choices. That is when moral truth is revealed. But Discovery is really fascinating because it often reveals the choice between two rights. The 'mutiny' choice in the pilot, Saru's choice on whether or not to use the Tardigrade in 'Choose your Pain', and Lorca's choice in that same episode about sacrificing his crew or letting them be tortured.
These are choices between two actions, both of them right, one morally right, and one practically right. Burnham probably could have prevented the war had she suceeded in the Pilot, but yet Starfleet morality got in her way. Which brings us to... 3. Deconstructing and reconstructing Star Trek: I really wish this show was set in the 25th century, but I understand the reason why they set it in the 23rd. Because they are trying to continue deconstructing Trek just like they did in Beyond, just like they did in Deep Space 9, this show really reminds me of Deep Space 9. Long gone is the moral superiority, yet unrelenting arrogance, of Star Trek the Next Generation. In its place is gritty down in the mud characters who are having to deal with real world situations. They make mistakes, they conflict with one another, they make alliances and get betrayed. They have flaws and backstories and are very human. But yet it is clear, from the interviews, and the shows that they are trying to build the world of Kirk, Spock, and that morally superior Star Fleet. And how the Klingongs became the Klingons of the original series.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 2:37:45 GMT
Oh, wow, episode 5 was really exciting. I am wondering if Ash is going to stay on as the Security Chief, since it's vacant?
An interesting, if predictable resolution with tardigrade, but I totally expected Michael to be the lab rat. Now I am left to wonder what's happening with Stamet getting out of phase with himself...
Anyway, much excitement, the crew is coming together and way cool storylines!
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Post by colfoley on Oct 17, 2017 4:21:58 GMT
Oh, wow, episode 5 was really exciting. I am wondering if Ash is going to stay on as the Security Chief, since it's vacant? An interesting, if predictable resolution with tardigrade, but I totally expected Michael to be the lab rat. Now I am left to wonder what's happening with Stamet getting out of phase with himself... Anyway, much excitement, the crew is coming together and way cool storylines! The way this show is moving I kind of doubt it. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Ash is a double agent still. Though favorite bit of the episode: Saru not listening to the log. Puts me in mind of what Tywin said in GoT. "A man who has to say 'I am the King, is no true King.'" Important bit of character development for Saru because being a Captain is not about convincing yourself you are Captain its being a Captain.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 17, 2017 5:02:21 GMT
Heh funny: Most decorated captains in the Discovery Timeline (episode 5): -Robert April -Jonathan Archer -Matthew Decker -Philippa Georgiou -Christopher Pike We all know about Archer (captain of the NX-01 Enterprise), and Pike (captain of the Constitution Class Enterprise before Kirk). And Georgiou. Matt Decker was the captain of the USS Constellation, destroyed by the planet killer in The Doomsday Machine. Robert April was the first captain of Kirk's Enterprise, according to officially non-canon The Animated Series. memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_AprilSo yeah, considering the timeframe, the Constitutions should already be around... Well, TAS has a bit more of an ambiguous situation - it's more accurate to say that TAS is in dispute from separate, official sources. Some consider it canon, some don't. Not helping matters is the number of references to TAS in various other media (including Discovery, several episodes of DS9 and ENT which refer to events, places, or other things of significance.) The writers themselves tended to simply shrug at the implications of canonicity/non-canonicity, for what it's worth. The Connies better not get a shit redesign like the Kelvin-movies... But I think one reason they won't be around so much is because the Connies are the big ships of the mid-23rd-century Starfleet. You'd think that Starfleet would have had other famous captains beyond what were mythology nods (most of which were quite obvious.) I was expecting Erica Hernandez of the NX-02 Columbia to appear on the list, as well as a handful of other Starfleet officers who were acknowledged as successful in TOS.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 17, 2017 5:06:01 GMT
Heh funny: Most decorated captains in the Discovery Timeline (episode 5): -Robert April -Jonathan Archer -Matthew Decker -Philippa Georgiou -Christopher Pike We all know about Archer (captain of the NX-01 Enterprise), and Pike (captain of the Constitution Class Enterprise before Kirk). And Georgiou. Matt Decker was the captain of the USS Constellation, destroyed by the planet killer in The Doomsday Machine. Robert April was the first captain of Kirk's Enterprise, according to officially non-canon The Animated Series. memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_AprilSo yeah, considering the timeframe, the Constitutions should already be around... If I remember right the Enterprise itself was first put into service around the time that Discovery takes place, and it was part of the first batch of Constitution class ships. Despite that there was only 12 of them at first their role as a heavy cruiser means I fully expect that given the story arc that Discovery is taking that we'll see one at some point, if not see the Enterprise itself. I really hope it's not the Enterprise although I agree with Hype that it's probably more of a when rather than if, and that I really hope they don't include Spock(as Spock served under Pike prior to Kirk and the 5 year mission). The Connies were in service as early as the 2240's, and the first ship was the class-lead, U.S.S Constitution NCC-1700. I think it would be interesting to see them show up (they're the heavies of the Federation in this era,) but as I said, no Enterprise please.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 17, 2017 5:10:29 GMT
If I remember right the Enterprise itself was first put into service around the time that Discovery takes place, and it was part of the first batch of Constitution class ships. Despite that there was only 12 of them at first their role as a heavy cruiser means I fully expect that given the story arc that Discovery is taking that we'll see one at some point, if not see the Enterprise itself. I really hope it's not the Enterprise although I agree with Hype that it's probably more of a when rather than if, and that I really hope they don't include Spock(as Spock served under Pike prior to Kirk and the 5 year mission). The Connies were in service as early as the 2240's, and the first ship was the class-lead, U.S.S Constitution NCC-1700. I think it would be interesting to see them show up (they're the heavies of the Federation in this era,) but as I said, no Enterprise please. It is kind of interesting the computer mentioned a Klingon D7 class BC in last night's Discovery. Now, unless they transferred ships with Lorca in the episode, the ship was pictured was decidedly not a D7...and since this is not the JJ verse I do not want any overt Starship redesigns.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 17, 2017 5:12:26 GMT
If I remember right the Enterprise itself was first put into service around the time that Discovery takes place, and it was part of the first batch of Constitution class ships. Despite that there was only 12 of them at first their role as a heavy cruiser means I fully expect that given the story arc that Discovery is taking that we'll see one at some point, if not see the Enterprise itself. I really hope it's not the Enterprise although I agree with Hype that it's probably more of a when rather than if, and that I really hope they don't include Spock(as Spock served under Pike prior to Kirk and the 5 year mission). The Enterprise was in most cases the second ship of it's class (after the Constitution, but also later after the Ambassador, Galaxy, and Sovereign. Not sure about the Enterprise-B though...), so there at least should be two of them. Exploring strange new worlds and all... But I hear you: IF they appear on Discovery, they can try to adhere to continuity and having it look like the TOS Enterprise (like they did in Enterprise), but because of the technology gap (you can't have the second-most advanced ship looking outdated on the inside right?), and the Klingon ships looking a bit different, I don't see this happening. Then again, the Abramsverse Enterprise looks closer to the TMP Enterprise than the TOS one, so even though that's an alternate timeline, where Klingons already look different, Discovery's CGI looks a bit similar, and the technology isn't really that different either, and that series of movies is more 'current'. So it would be my best guess for that one... EDIT: But not the Enterprise itself, I'd rather have one of the other ones. Perhaps one of the ill-fated ones like the Constellation, Intrepid, or Excalibur. Enterprise-B got kind of the short end of the stick, in some ways. It was an Excelsior-class refit, put into service when the Excelsiors were still the mainline class, but no longer the creme-de-la-creme.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 17, 2017 5:13:53 GMT
The Connies were in service as early as the 2240's, and the first ship was the class-lead, U.S.S Constitution NCC-1700. I think it would be interesting to see them show up (they're the heavies of the Federation in this era,) but as I said, no Enterprise please. It is kind of interesting the computer mentioned a Klingon D7 class BC in last night's Discovery. Now, unless they transferred ships with Lorca in the episode, the ship was pictured was decidedly not a D7...and since this is not the JJ verse I do not want any overt Starship redesigns. Great, another oversight... I'm still wondering when they're going to break out the gold sweaters from 'The Cage.'
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 11:37:47 GMT
Oh, wow, episode 5 was really exciting. I am wondering if Ash is going to stay on as the Security Chief, since it's vacant? An interesting, if predictable resolution with tardigrade, but I totally expected Michael to be the lab rat. Now I am left to wonder what's happening with Stamet getting out of phase with himself... Anyway, much excitement, the crew is coming together and way cool storylines! The way this show is moving I kind of doubt it. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Ash is a double agent still. Though favorite bit of the episode: Saru not listening to the log. Puts me in mind of what Tywin said in GoT. "A man who has to say 'I am the King, is no true King.'" Important bit of character development for Saru because being a Captain is not about convincing yourself you are Captain its being a Captain. I liked it too. Well, I want, in the words of my kiddo a "normal" Star Treck -at least to a degree that the team is permanent and about 8 people. The kiddo is mostly griping about the opening sequence that is not much like Star Treck for her save for the very end. Well, she also wants the short story type character episodes. Preferably funny, heh. It's really odd watching a new show with her, a completely different experience, I tell you.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 18, 2017 14:28:32 GMT
Well, DS9 is apparently going to be getting a special 25th anniversary blurb from Variety Magazine, presumably come January 2018. The Cast had a big photoshoot for it, and here's the main image. Talk of them releasing their anniversary documentary 'What We Left Behind' is that it will be around soon.
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Post by Transcended One on Oct 18, 2017 18:27:54 GMT
Well, DS9 is apparently going to be getting a special 25th anniversary blurb from Variety Magazine, presumably come January 2018. The Cast had a big photoshoot for it, and here's the main image. Talk of them releasing their anniversary documentary 'What We Left Behind' is that it will be around soon. Can't say I recognise all of them. Who's the curvy woman on the right? EDIT: Better to do it properly, from left to right: Aron Eisenberg (Nog) - Avery Brooks (Sisko) - Marc Ailamo?? (Dukat) - Cirroc Lofton (Jake) - Michael Dorn (Worf) - Terry Farell (Jadzia) - Nana Visitor (Keira) - Armin Shimerman (Quark) - Nicole de Boer (Ezri) - Colm Meany (Miles) - Andrew Robinson?? (Garak) - René Auberjonois (Odo) and Penny Johnson Jerald (Kassidy) - ? How much did I get?
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 19, 2017 0:56:43 GMT
Well, DS9 is apparently going to be getting a special 25th anniversary blurb from Variety Magazine, presumably come January 2018. The Cast had a big photoshoot for it, and here's the main image. Talk of them releasing their anniversary documentary 'What We Left Behind' is that it will be around soon. Can't say I recognise all of them. Who's the curvy woman on the right? EDIT: Better to do it properly, from left to right: Aron Eisenberg (Nog) - Avery Brooks (Sisko) - Marc Ailamo?? (Dukat) - Cirroc Lofton (Jake) - Michael Dorn (Worf) - Terry Farell (Jadzia) - Nana Visitor (Keira) - Armin Shimerman (Quark) - Nicole de Boer (Ezri) - Colm Meany (Miles) - Andrew Robinson?? (Garak) - René Auberjonois (Odo) and Penny Johnson Jerald (Kassidy) - ? How much did I get? Avery Brooks and Colm Meaney weren't present for the shoot, for various reasons. You missed Ira Steven Behr (head writer), Jeffery Combs (Weyoun), Rick Berman (Showrunner), and Chase Masterson (Leeta.) Also not present - Alexander Siddig, Max Grodinchik (Rom), Rosalund Chao (Keiko O'Brien), and Hanna Hatae (Molly O'Brien.) Also missing is Andrew Robinson (Garak), James Darren (Vic Fontaine), J.G. Hertzler (General Martok), and Casey Biggs (Damar). In a lot of ways, it'd be hard to get everyone together for DS9, because, more than any other Trek, it relied on regular guest characters and had arguably the largest cast of any Trek. Siddig and Meaney both spend a lot of time working (they're arguably the two highest profile actors from the show), and both are relatively rare on the convention circuits (Siddig has stated that he doesn't want to dull the experience by making too many appearances, and usually does about one or two a year.) Avery Brooks is a professor of musical theater (tenured) at Rutgers University, and he's a bit of a recluse. Nice, friendly, and he'll do Star Trek conventions every so often (there are plenty of images of him with his former cast-mates having fun and all,) but he's also into his own thing. And frankly, he's earned it. He's led a colorful life, and he simply doesn't feel the need to be defined by his role on Star Trek. He loves it, appreciates it, and cherishes it, but he's moved on. As for the others, I'd wager they didn't appear for a variety of reasons. I know Andrew Robinson, James Darren, Casey Biggs, Max Grodinchik, and Hannah Hatae are regulars on the convention circuit as well as for cast get-togethers. Aside from Ms. Hatae, all of them are also relatively advanced in age, so there may well be the physical concerns to worry about. I love that Nicole deBoer is front and center! Such a beautiful woman, committed to the role (she was well known for being quite eager with it,) and Ezri holds a very special place in my heart - she's as adorable as a basketful of tribbles and twice as cute, and she has this vulnerability juxtaposed next to a quiet strength that she slowly grows into.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 19, 2017 14:23:07 GMT
My God... It's like ' Threshold' all over again... In actuality, you have made me completely re-evaluate my assessment of Episode 5. It stinks.
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Post by Cyonan on Oct 19, 2017 15:05:26 GMT
The whole idea of the spore drive is kind of ridiculous and they're going to have to write it that something so terrible happens that they shut the whole project down and pretty much never speak of it again.
Otherwise one is going to have to ask why over 100 years later the Enterprise D wasn't equipped with one.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 19, 2017 16:01:17 GMT
The whole idea of the spore drive is kind of ridiculous and they're going to have to write it that something so terrible happens that they shut the whole project down and pretty much never speak of it again. Otherwise one is going to have to ask why over 100 years later the Enterprise D wasn't equipped with one. Indeed. As I said, I'm getting some serious ' Threshold' vibes right now (thanks again for mousestalker for being the muse for that.) And on the downside, it would appear that DIS can't ignore poor episodes like Voyager could. I mean, it's great if they have a plot in mind, but even if it involves the Mirror!Universe (as I think), the concept is hare-brained, and the damage done. Alternatively, it's a warning sign that despite clarifications to the contrary, they'll start deviating from canon to introduce their own.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Oct 20, 2017 20:48:20 GMT
Just another question, is anyone here into Trek fanfiction? I have a possible idea for one, but I'd like to bounce ideas off of fellow Trekkies. It's a DS9 piece (with some Voyager and TNG-crossover elements (well, it's not exactly a crossover since it's all the same timeline...)
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