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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 0:10:09 GMT
Yeah, yeah. I'm late to the party. I've always been more of a Mass Effect guy. Dragon Age just felt like Fantasy Game: The Game. Adequate at best and completely lacking in identity. So I didn't bother with Inquisition until relatively recently when I saw the complete edition going for $15.
And it's kinda shit.
I mean, it's not all bad. For the first time Bioware have managed to make a world that feels somewhat alive and lived in. There's some fun characters and the voice acting is top-notch. The plot is, uhh... actually, y'know, the plot is a bit shit too. At least so far. Oh look, it's an Ancient Evil! What a fucking shock. And what's this, I've been recruited into an elite militant order with no oversight which constitutes the world's only hope of salvation? You don't say!
But the big issue, the big red infected pimple festering away right on the game's nose, is the... well, I suppose you'd call it the 'content'. Endless trudging through large open levels gathering 15/25 medicinal flowers, collecting 7/18 crystal shards and killing 2/3 rogue templars. Every time some spark of interest or creativity manages to surface it's immediately buried beneath a fucking avalanche of this low-effort filler garbage. All so they could claim that their game is "big" with "100s of hours of content". What's more, you can't even skip it. The game gates progression in the main missions behind score quotas that are filled by performing the side mission busywork bullshit.
This shit is making me retroactively appreciate The Witcher 3 more, which is a bizarre feeling.
It also shares an issue with that game in that the combat is nowhere near meaty enough to sustain a game this bloody long. Hacking your way through one lot of red health bars isn't notably different to hacking your way through another. Plus the controls are a bit shit. Not intolerably so, but it's a bit of a piss-off considering that the previous games, for all their faults, controlled fine.
The infamous Bioware Face phenomenon is back in full force. I found it bearable in previous games but the switch to the frostbite engine and the more detailed and textured faces just makes it stand out all the more. I realize that the use of dialogue trees prevents them from motion-capturing entire conversations a la Naughty Dog, but the end result is still an eyesore.
I wasn't wrong with my fears with Andromeda. People were praising this crap when it came out. And knowing Bioware and their responsiveness to feedback I wasn't surprised when they added all this single-player-MMO collect-a-thon timesink bullshit to that game too. I still remember before the launch, people negating that wasn't going to be open-world. Christ.
I'm counting this as more evidence that open world games mostly need to fuck right off. This shit is worse than the modern military shooter plague, at least that crap only affected one or two genres. Bloody Skyrim seems to have infected the whole damn industry with its shallow, diluted mediocrity.
Bleh.
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Post by duskwanderer on Oct 8, 2017 0:16:44 GMT
You clearly haven't been paying attention. Andromeda was widely panned for a good reason.
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Post by House Targaryen on Oct 8, 2017 1:03:56 GMT
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Post by hero11n7 on Oct 8, 2017 1:09:17 GMT
Go. Away.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 1:32:56 GMT
I come to your party to spit into your punch because spitting into things makes me feel important.
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Post by duskwanderer on Oct 8, 2017 1:45:35 GMT
I come to your party to spit into your punch because spitting into things makes me feel important. Perhaps he thought his constant swearing made his opinion so much more important. I remember learning to swear. I was 5 (older sisters have their perks)
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 8, 2017 1:58:55 GMT
"Dragon Age just felt like Fantasy Game: The Game."
Well, it is a fantasy game. I don't know what you were excepting a sci-fi shooter?😑
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 8, 2017 2:19:25 GMT
But the big issue, the big red infected pimple festering away right on the game's nose, is the... well, I suppose you'd call it the 'content'. Endless trudging through large open levels gathering 15/25 medicinal flowers, collecting 7/18 crystal shards and killing 2/3 rogue templars. Every time some spark of interest or creativity manages to surface it's immediately buried beneath a fucking avalanche of this low-effort filler garbage. All so they could claim that their game is "big" with "100s of hours of content". What's more, you can't even skip it. The game gates progression in the main missions behind score quotas that are filled by performing the side mission busywork bullshit. This isn't actually true, of course. Between the rewards for the main quest lines in a zone and the stuff you'll literally trip over while finishing those quest, you get all the Power you need.
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Post by Joyous on Oct 8, 2017 2:30:05 GMT
Yeah, pretty much. Try the original Dragon Age if you want to see where all the love comes from or DA2 if you want to play a kinda shit, but still weird enough to be interesting game. Inquisition is the Oblivion of the series in the sense that it's generic as all hell and has a fundamentally broken design. It doesn't help that all the context that would make Inquisition's plot palatable is hidden away in the prequel novels and comics. If I hadn't read those or loved the previous two games I'd probably feel exactly the same as you. The two DLC campaigns and the epilogue are a significant departure in quality, by the way, although they do little to make the combat more enticing.
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Post by Superhik on Oct 8, 2017 2:44:45 GMT
You don't like picking elfroots, dude?
( Could've sworn I've seen this post somewhere else, down to the word. Escapist?)
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Post by smilesja on Oct 8, 2017 3:05:09 GMT
Fantasy game: The game. Isn't that what Dragon Age is?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Oct 8, 2017 3:10:27 GMT
I was going to make a snarky reply, but you earned a reprieve with, "Fantasy Game:The Game". That's comedy gold, right there. Monumentally incorrect, but still funny af. I'm counting this as more evidence that open world games mostly need to fuck right off. This shit is worse than the modern military shooter plague, at least that crap only affected one or two genres. Bloody Skyrim seems to have infected the whole damn industry with its shallow, diluted mediocrity. C'mon now, you liked TW3. And Horizon:Zero Dawn is uncompromisingly open world and gets plenty of kudos (Metacritic 89/8.3). Just because Bioware poorly executed an open world-style game doesn't mean open world-style is the Black Plague.
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Post by duskwanderer on Oct 8, 2017 3:32:01 GMT
Yeah, pretty much. Try the original Dragon Age if you want to see where all the love comes from or DA2 if you want to play a kinda shit, but still weird enough to be interesting game. Inquisition is the Oblivion of the series in the sense that it's generic as all hell and has a fundamentally broken design. It doesn't help that all the context that would make Inquisition's plot palatable is hidden away in the prequel novels and comics. If I hadn't read those or loved the previous two games I'd probably feel exactly the same as you. The two DLC campaigns and the epilogue are a significant departure in quality, by the way, although they do little to make the combat more enticing. Funny, I thought Oblivion was much better than Origins, which was generic as all getout.
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Post by House Targaryen on Oct 8, 2017 4:31:28 GMT
Anyone with good taste in games is praising the shit out of DAI.
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Post by Nimlowyn on Oct 8, 2017 4:35:37 GMT
Mkay so, as much as I disagree, "Fantasy Game: The Game" is gold.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 8, 2017 5:19:18 GMT
Mkay so, as much as I disagree, "Fantasy Game: The Game" is gold. I would like to play that sometime.
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Post by Nimlowyn on Oct 8, 2017 5:25:57 GMT
Mkay so, as much as I disagree, "Fantasy Game: The Game" is gold. I would like to play that sometime. I'd like to roll as Magey Mage: The Mage.
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Post by Fredward on Oct 8, 2017 5:29:51 GMT
If I whittle away the hyperbole:
- wide, empty world - uninspired combat - bland main plot - fetch quests
were the main complaints with the game. MEA got tons of complaints too. Generally, in DAIs case at least, the general consensus seems to have been that it's more than the sum of its flawed parts, plus there are some Biowareisms that no one does as well like companions but ymmv. Anyway, maybe don't just look at the Metacritic score when doing your research into a game, the criticism is definitely there if you look.
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Post by naughtynomad on Oct 8, 2017 6:33:57 GMT
Ea bought the Game of the Year title. If I remember correctly they earned it even before the official release of the game.
Your criticisms are pretty much on par with how I felt after the first playthrouh. I gave it some distance and came back with lower expectations and enjoyed it a lot more.
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Post by isaidlunch on Oct 8, 2017 10:27:56 GMT
It was a slow year for games, people were grateful for anything.
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Post by vonuber on Oct 8, 2017 12:16:57 GMT
Why is everything so binary nowadays. "This game is shit! This game craps gold bars and unicorns!"
It get bloody tedious and leaves no room for discussion. It never used to be like this.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 8, 2017 12:59:17 GMT
I like DAI. Put that in your pipe and smoke it
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Oct 8, 2017 14:29:23 GMT
*raises hand*
Ooooo, me, me! I say nice things about Inquisition all the time. Like 'it's my third-favourite video game of all time, and I've been gaming since 1986.'
(For the record, the two that beat it are Baldur's Gate 2 and Grim Fandango.)
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Post by phoray on Oct 8, 2017 14:55:39 GMT
I think OP suffers from an important lack of Knowledge.
Get thee from the Hinterlands.
Fetch quests are optional.
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