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Post by simit on Oct 9, 2017 3:11:33 GMT
I feel like you just did a serious case of goal post moving. The original point you made was to find a quest with similar quality to Carnal Sins in TW 3 (which, as an aside, is not one of the stronger side quests in TW 3 but that is kind of beside the point), I provided you with an answer that overall The Knight's Tomb is on par with the quality of Carnal Sin. Then you replied with a list of random qualifying statements on specific items on what you believe is 'quality'. Then I, and Smiles, replied that was irrelevant, only to have you turn around and say you were asking for only quests which had those very specific things in it which you did not specify in your OP. No goal post moving, I just was not clear with what I asked. When I said on par with Carnal Sins, I had assumed you understood that I meant cinematics, dialog interaction etc.... But now that you know what my intent was, I ask again.....based on the factors of: cinematics, cinematic conversations, external character interactions that comes from the base game (no DLC).....name me a SIDEQUEST (not main quest) that is on par (or better) than Carnal Sins. Cassandra's romance, that shit's just giggly Tbh your just itching to boost yer w3 superiority complex, both for me are good games
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 9, 2017 3:37:06 GMT
No goal post moving, I just was not clear with what I asked. When I said on par with Carnal Sins, I had assumed you understood that I meant cinematics, dialog interaction etc.... But now that you know what my intent was, I ask again.....based on the factors of: cinematics, cinematic conversations, external character interactions that comes from the base game (no DLC).....name me a SIDEQUEST (not main quest) that is on par (or better) than Carnal Sins. Cassandra's romance, that shit's just giggly Tbh your just itching to boost yer w3 superiority complex, both for me are good games I think it is an honest question. Why is it so hard to reference a DAI sidequest that featured cinematics, cinematic conversations, and external character interactions? All 3 of those are aspects that Bioware is known to knock out of the water.
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Post by kino on Oct 9, 2017 3:43:12 GMT
Well, fuck, if we're just straight up answering the post title you can add me in there, along with the shitload of people who bought, played and praised the game. I played the hell out of DA:I, still do, but you do you, bud.
And why did you insist on plagiarizing someone else's post from another website? That shit's tacky, man.
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Post by melbella on Oct 9, 2017 3:44:35 GMT
All of the companion quests have that:
Cole (human vs spirit) Varric (Bianca) Cassandra (Seekers) Blackwall (identity) Solas (wisdom) Iron Bull (qun v chargers) Dorian (dad) Vivian (dying lover) Sera (arsehole noble) Josephine (especially if you do the favors) Leliana (meet the sister) Cullen (lyrium yay or nay)
Now, tell me some reason those don't count. You can play the entire game without doing any of them so they are definitely "side quests" by definition.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 9, 2017 3:46:18 GMT
DAI is still fun and interesting today as it was when it first came out. it's going to be interesting going back to DA I after playing Andromeda so much. With this playthrough done, I actually went back to starting Dragon Age from the beginning to work my way up to Inquisition. The combat will always be inferior, yet I find myself more compelled overall by this, but then that was true when comparing to the original trilogy.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 9, 2017 3:48:01 GMT
it's going to be interesting going back to DA I after playing Andromeda so much. With this playthrough done, I actually went back to starting Dragon Age from the beginning to work my way up to Inquisition. The combat will always be inferior, yet I find myself more compelled overall by this, but then that was true when comparing to the original trilogy. Yeah, I plan on doing a run through all three games too probably starting about January (need to play Red Dead and Andromeda first)
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 9, 2017 3:48:06 GMT
All of the companion quests have that: Cole (human vs spirit) Varric (Bianca) Cassandra (Seekers) Blackwall (identity) Solas (wisdom) Iron Bull (qun v chargers) Dorian (dad) Vivian (dying lover) Sera (arsehole noble) Josephine (especially if you do the favors) Leliana (meet the sister) Cullen (lyrium yay or nay) Now, tell me some reason those don't count. You can play the entire game without doing any of them so they are definitely "side quests" by definition. So there are no non-companion quest that also fits the bill? Is that what you are telling me? That in raw side content, DAI has nothing on par with that of TW3 unless it is a companion quest? Is that what you are implying? With all the zones that Bioware fleshed out in DAI, unless it is a companion quest, it does not offer any of the features that I described? Got it. Thank you for your participation.
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Post by melbella on Oct 9, 2017 3:50:29 GMT
Is a non-essential companion quest a side quest or not? If yes, then your questions are irrelevant. If no, then wtf do you define as a side quest? Whatever will get you the answer you decide at that moment?
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 9, 2017 3:52:27 GMT
Is a non-essential companion quest a side quest or not? If yes, then your questions are irrelevant. If no, then wtf do you define as a side quest? Whatever will get you the answer you decide at that moment? So you cannot reference a non-companion side quest (vanilla DAI) that features the same type of content/features as the aspects I described and the aspects which are in the DAI companion side quest you highlighted?
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Post by smilesja on Oct 9, 2017 3:53:12 GMT
All of the companion quests have that: Cole (human vs spirit) Varric (Bianca) Cassandra (Seekers) Blackwall (identity) Solas (wisdom) Iron Bull (qun v chargers) Dorian (dad) Vivian (dying lover) Sera (arsehole noble) Josephine (especially if you do the favors) Leliana (meet the sister) Cullen (lyrium yay or nay) Now, tell me some reason those don't count. You can play the entire game without doing any of them so they are definitely "side quests" by definition. So there are no non-companion quest that also fits the bill? Is that what you are telling me? That in raw side content, DAI has nothing on par with that of TW3 unless it is a companion quest? Is that what you are implying? With all the zones that Bioware fleshed out in DAI, unless it is a companion quest, it does not offer any of the features that I described? Got it. Thank you for your participation. You wanted a sidequest that people felt was equivalent to a TW3 sidequest and she answered it. To be honest, I agree with her, those companion quests are character driven and emotionally engaging. You don't have to do them which does count as a sidequest.
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Post by melbella on Oct 9, 2017 3:53:51 GMT
So, the answer is yes. Thank you for your participation.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 9, 2017 3:55:14 GMT
So, the answer is yes. Thank you for your participation. No reference to a non-companion side quest that features all of those qualities? I'm waiting....
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 9, 2017 3:56:56 GMT
So there are no non-companion quest that also fits the bill? Is that what you are telling me? That in raw side content, DAI has nothing on par with that of TW3 unless it is a companion quest? Is that what you are implying? With all the zones that Bioware fleshed out in DAI, unless it is a companion quest, it does not offer any of the features that I described? Got it. Thank you for your participation. You wanted a sidequest that people felt was equivalent to a TW3 sidequest and she answered it. To be honest, I agree with her, those companion quests are character driven and emotionally engaging. You don't have to do them which does count as a sidequest. True, but does DAI share those same qualities in the non-companion side quest?
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Post by melbella on Oct 9, 2017 3:57:27 GMT
Not until you answer mine.
Btw, I haven't played any Witcher games so I'm not watching your video to avoid spoilers in case I decide to play them later.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 9, 2017 3:57:50 GMT
Why does it matter if it's companion-related or not? TW3 generally has Geralt on his own anyway, and in a party-based game like Mass Effect or Dragon Age, the companions are prime targets to get content that veers away from the critical path.
If we're going to apply this rule, we could basically say that Mass Effect 2 had no meaningful side quests, if we excluded every single loyalty mission.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 9, 2017 4:03:44 GMT
Why does it matter if it's companion-related or not? TW3 generally has Geralt on his own anyway, and in a party-based game like Mass Effect or Dragon Age, the companions are prime targets to get content that veers away from the critical path. If we're going to apply this rule, we could basically say that Mass Effect 2 had no meaningful side quests, if we excluded every single loyalty mission. It matters because companion side quest makes up a small percentage of the side quest content in DAI. Besides why is this so hard for people to answer? Simple question, are there any non-companion side quest in DAI that features the same style of features and cinematics as the companion side quest in DAI and majority of the side quest in TW3? Simple yes or no answer
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Post by melbella on Oct 9, 2017 4:04:42 GMT
Why does it matter if it's companion-related or not? TW3 generally has Geralt on his own anyway. If we're going to apply this rule, we could basically say that Mass Effect 2 had no meaningful side quests, if we excluded every single loyalty mission. That's kind of my point. The games are structured differently. DAI focuses on the PC and companions. The Witcher (again, which I haven't played but can infer from numerous comments) only has to worry about Geralt so can do the more elaborate set ups on more "side quests" since there are no companions to deal with. If Geralt had 9 companions and 3 advisors to include content for, how many of the other side quests would get the royal treatment? Probably not very many.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 9, 2017 4:05:10 GMT
So, the answer is yes. Thank you for your participation. No reference to a non-companion side quest that features all of those qualities? I'm waiting.... You keep posting Cardinal sins, but it does deal with Geralt's ally: Dandelion. Sure he doesn't fit as a companion, but Dandelion has traveled with Geralt in the previous games. I believe the quest begins with his friend/lover being attacked, and Geralt has to investigate.
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 9, 2017 4:07:31 GMT
Why does it matter if it's companion-related or not? TW3 generally has Geralt on his own anyway, and in a party-based game like Mass Effect or Dragon Age, the companions are prime targets to get content that veers away from the critical path. If we're going to apply this rule, we could basically say that Mass Effect 2 had no meaningful side quests, if we excluded every single loyalty mission. Oh and BTW, if you take out all the loyalty missions in ME2, there are STILL side missions in ME2 that are on par with those in TW3 in terms of cinematic dialog, cinematics, and external character interaction (non squad member).
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Post by apollexander on Oct 9, 2017 5:30:14 GMT
TW3 is one of the most overrated RPGs. 1. The protagonist has a very restricted background and characteristic, leaving almost no room for me to role-play. His jokes which are automatically told make it feel worse. It is like 'I'm not role-playing but watching a handsome white-haired guy playing cool'. 2. The combat/ability/inventory systems are all messy. Hit & dodge, hit & dodge, hit & dodge ... Repeat this until bad guys die. Then you pick the bodies and get a bunch of junks. And it's a pain in the ass when you try to sell the junks. 3. As for the story, I would acknowledge some of the side-quests are very well designed, just some. However, the main quest (looking for Ciri) is quite boring and padding. You go to A and get a clue to go to B, and then B tells you to look for C, D, E, F, and then you are told to find G... Besides, most of the side-quests are just trivial or tedious. For trivial ones, you just go somewhere to fetch an item or kill some random guys. For tedious ones, you activate the detective vision, and then repeat 'move and click'. You run for half a day to watch a five-minute cutscene which is as boring as soap operas, maybe also killing some random bandits. Especially, after you finish the quests about the bloody baron and Keira Metz, then you will find none of the quests in Novigrad is as intriguing. So, TW3 may be a decent game, but not for me. And I think Bioware shouldn't try to copy its formula.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 9, 2017 5:51:10 GMT
I think we should stop talking about TW3, It has nothing to do with the "topic".
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Post by luzarius on Oct 9, 2017 6:58:30 GMT
Cassandra pentaghast looks like a man. Vivenne is bald, wtf. The elf chick looks like gollum, *uggh* Leliana & Morrigan look AMAZING, but are not romance options?! WTF?
Fetch/collection quest hell ....
Cassandra's face looking mannish was a deal breaker. I'm so shallow.... *facepalm* Why couldn't they make Cassandra look like Ciri, Triss or Yennefer?
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Post by krighaur on Oct 9, 2017 7:19:05 GMT
Late to the party, like OP So Pattsy, tell me, have you never seen in this marvellous TW series (mind you I like them, in a different way from Bioware's game, but I like them), so have you never seen a quest like 'bring me 10 tails of X monster', 'I need 5 heads from Y monster' ? Did these quests make TW games bad? No they add to the game time, allow you to level up and are boring when you play for the Xth time. Same thins for Bioware game, there are many side quests, or scanning quest (ME 1, 2 or 3) that are part of the levelling and boring when you play for the Yth time. Now if you know a major RPG game, with a game length > 50 hours which doesn't use this trick, please name it, I would be happy to play it. Tell me about a DAI side quest that is on par with the Pricella serial killer side quest in TW3..... I dare you because I know you cant. I don't want to enter your games of comparison. Why are you always trying to compare things? They are different that's all ! Can you understand that it is possible to like Bioware's game AND the Witcher series AND Betsheda's games ?
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Post by majesticjazz on Oct 9, 2017 13:50:11 GMT
Tell me about a DAI side quest that is on par with the Pricella serial killer side quest in TW3..... I dare you because I know you cant. I don't want to enter your games of comparison. Why are you always trying to compare things? They are different that's all ! Can you understand that it is possible to like Bioware's game AND the Witcher series AND Betsheda's games ? All I asked was for someone to reference me a sidequest that was similar to the one I showed. Then some mentioned that thr companion quest were similar which I thought was a soft dodge from the question. However dodge or not, I took it. I then asked a follow up question about any similar DAI sidequest that were not companion quest and interesting enough, nobody could reference one.
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