Did you like Star Wars: Episode 7, the Force Awakens?

Kylo was an interesting character to be sure, but we know he was taught by Luke and is like mid 20's or something? I've not read ancillary stuff so I don't know his age. But it seemed off to me. Things do look more solid in 8's trailor tho! But I always thought the nods to A New Hope was a homage in a way for a new audience. Because while some things were similar most of it was different. But you can't please some fans xD

I thought he did well too, tbh the real question here should be, do you like Rogue One? xD I did personally, thought it was a cool little move. Nothing to do with the mainline plot of SW ofc, too many inconsistencies, and from my messages on ST: Disc, you know how much I hate them

I don't think Starkiller Base itself was the problem, it was the power plant that required X-Wing Bombardment to overload and blow it up, which was different in technicality to the Death Star was more or less the same scenario. 

Was it not you I had a large conversation with about the inconsistencies in Discovery making it just impossible to believe it was set in the Prime Universe? 

I find Rogue One is more a divisive movie to fans than TFA, which was my point there. 

Do you steadfastly believe it is in Prime Universe, or no?

I know it's off topic here, but I seriously forget at this point xD 

Despite 99.9% of Discovery not matching anything Trek related ever?

Well Kylo Ren was obviously trying to hit the same notes as Vader, he was a less iconic, more emo and less intimidating version of Vader.

Star Trek is far superior to Star Wars, honestly.

It's a far lower estimate than that. I have my problems with DIS (and we ought take it to the ST thread,) but you make it sound as if beyond Star Trek being in the title, it's 100% divorced from the rest of the franchise. Via reference, inclusion, and appearance of various things within the franchise to date, it's going to at most be about 70% unlike other shows.

In principle I'd agree. Overall its universe and history is more interesting, but in execution, it's really hit or miss. I'm gonna be one of those filthy blasphemes that actually doesn't particularly like most of TOS, and thinks that the majority of the Star Trek films are actually trash. TNG is really the only one I genuinely like throughout. 

Yep. Basically how I feel about episode 7



I still rate this flick the way I did when I saw it opening weekend

7/10

The plot was not original enough. It had too many "Star Wars-cliches", i.e. Starkiller Base, to the point that it became almost a Spaceballs-level spoof of itself. I, personally didn't feel that Rey is a "Mary Sue" or there were unnecessary feminist tropes (See: the Ghostbusters re-boot). I am confident that we'll see why/how Rey can do so many things so well. I understand what this movie was MEANT to be; a new intro to Star Wars for the millennials and younger kids, and an apology of sorts for the prequels. It just felt a bit too much like a marketing video than a piece of art. It sometimes almost felt like an ad more than a film.

That said, I loved the Jacen Solo -ish character of Kylo/Ben. I loved seeing Han & Chewie together. I loved seeing TIE fighters & lightsaber duels. I loved having a new film in this fictional universe which didn't feel (entirely) like it was kind of mocking the audience with awful acting and worse writing. I loved that the actors in this film (especially Daisy) were so damned good! I didn't feel guilty walking out of the theater like I did with ep. 1 and 2. I felt proud to be a nerd and very optimistic about this new trilogy. This brings me to ep. 8...

There's really no mincing words about it anymore, I can say with 100% certainty that The Last Jedi will either make or break me as far as the new canon goes. I have been patient, and I have been rewarded (ROGUE ONE) and I have been humiliated (Rebels) for being a Star Wars fanatic. This film will either move me from the bubble into the group that is on-board with the new stories, or it will cement my place firmly in the Disney Sucks category.

Believe me, I do NOT want to be in the latter category. I want so badly for the Lucasfilm "story-group" to delight me for years to come with awesome new films about cool characters and great adventures. I want the universe to expand beyond anything I've read or imagined, I want to be excited about Lucasfilm into my middle/old age. 

However, I cannot hide my feelings. I have to be honest with myself regarding stuff like saber-copters & menstruating Kyber crystals. It is fucking stupid. Some of the crap Disney has approved in this new canon (90% of it in Rebels) is awful. In some ways it feels even more egregious to me than the prequels because they (Kathleen Kennedy et. al) fucking KNOW BETTER! They know, deep in their hearts when a character is being written to pander to some demographic rather than for the sake of the story. They know another super-weapon is dumb and extraneous. They know that a lightsaber spinning and being used to fly around is painfully fucking dumb. They know how and why the prequels failed. They aren't oblivious or delusional. So, the question is; why green-light these shitty ideas? I can only think of two possibilites. One, they are sadistic & enjoy tormenting us old nerds by giving us great stuff with a few turds here and there. Not enough to turn us away, but just enough to make us annoyed. 

The second possibility is much more disturbing to me, because of the implications about the future... and that's simply that they don't really care. 

As you probably realize, I'm on the opposite end - I think Discovery, while not being in and of itself awful, does detract from the franchise - then again, I'm set in the ways of the TNG-era, and I don't find much redeemability or likability from any of the cast except for perhaps Stamets or Saru, who I see as being the most 'Starfleet' of the crew. Lorca and Tyler are too 'military', and Burnham is too wooden. Beyond Tilly, the show hasn't focused on anyone else.

Star Wars has... burned all bridges with me. What vestigial enjoyment I get from the series is solely from prior to 2014, when Disney axed the original EU. The movies were never that entertaining to me, and all of my enjoyment from the franchise comes from prior pieces that have more or less been un-personed by Disney. As well, the strategy for annual releases and market oversaturation is just not a cogent marketing strategy in my opinion.

Philosophically, I've always found Star Wars to have a limiting (in regards to the movies) dualism to its morality, and statements from George Lucas never clarified it for the better. Star Trek on the other hand presented a lot more complex issues (that were also often socially relevant) that required much more from their solutions than brunt-force violent applications. So... basically the inverse of your statement again: Star Trek is more interesting philosophically/morally/etc, while Star Wars.... isn't better entertainment, so I can't say that Star Wars was better in that aspect.

Yo buddy the Star Trek thread is that way

bsn.boards.net/thread/13274/star-trek

This thread is about finding out whether people on this forum have the wrong opinion!