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Post by Walter Black on Nov 7, 2017 1:56:38 GMT
Chuck Sonnenburg's reviews of Origins and Awakenings have been up on his site awhile, so I don't know how many people here might or might not have seen them. Since he's going to be reviewing DA2 in a few weeks, I figured I would share these here. Lots of funny and insightful commentary, though I do have one nitpick; Chuck usually does his research, but given how many times he compares the main characters to the KOTOR ones, it makes me doubt he ever played Baldur's Gate or Jade Empire. Enjoy!
Origins: sfdebris.com/videos/games/dragonage.php
Awakenings: sfdebris.com/videos/games/dragonageawakening.php
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Post by Sifr on Nov 22, 2017 13:40:19 GMT
Small update to this, he's now begun reviewing DA2.
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Post by phoray on Nov 22, 2017 13:54:06 GMT
I keep meaning to watch this. I'll book mark the thread.
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Post by Walter Black on Nov 23, 2017 17:43:12 GMT
Small update to this, he's now begun reviewing DA2. Yeah, I was going to wait until he was done, but this is good too .
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Post by fylimar on Dec 11, 2017 21:36:07 GMT
Those videos are really funny. I like it, when he beginns to rant - for example, when he meets Jowan again in Redcliffe - priceless
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 12, 2017 15:10:09 GMT
What is SF debris?
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Post by shechinah on Dec 12, 2017 17:19:16 GMT
What is SF debris? He reviews various things. He used to only do science fiction, primarily Star Trek but has since then branched into other series like Doctor Who and Red Dwarf as well as other genres. He's even done anime such as like Madoka Magica and Paranoia Agent which he approaches with a lot of research and thought despite often and humorously feeling out of his depth when it comes to certain tropes. His reviews are usually a mixture of serious analysis and humor which makes them both interesting and funny to watch. It's this combination that made me a long-time watcher. Here is his take on the dark side from one of his Clone Wars reviews: Because of issues with Youtube, his videos can only be found on his site: sfdebris.com/index.php
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Post by shechinah on Dec 12, 2017 17:29:55 GMT
Those videos are really funny. I like it, when he beginns to rant - for example, when he meets Jowan again in Redcliffe - priceless One of my favorite moments and there are so many. Another I especially like is this bit during the confrontation with Howe: SF Debris: "Alright, Howe, you may have thought you planned for everything but there is one thing you didn't consider. My willingness to light myself on fire. 'Cause I will throw a fireball at my own feet if I'll catch you in the flames. Hell, if you grab on to me, the last thing you'll hear is me crying let's see who has more hit points before I put my tongue on my own lightning staff!"There is also the ending to the "Nature of the Beast" video wherein he stumbles across Athras, the elf whose wife has become a werewolf, whom he'd forgotten about and tries to give him the fur pelt from when he accidentally skinned Danyla's body when he looted it. Athras: "Is there... is there any chance that you have news of Danyla?"SF Debris: "Yes, I'm afraid she's passed on but she asked us to give you her love and to give you this- oh crap, I must have dropped it at the temple. Uhm, give you this... fine fur coat she made for you!"Athras (Sf Debris): "How thoughtful. This is so lovely."Sf Debris: "Yes! She, uh, she really put a lot of herself into it, I have to say. Uh, have a nice day." Oh and the running gag of how Tim the Enchanter is gradually falling more and more victim to Origin's visual effects until he's simultaneously glowing, transparent, pulsating, shedding particles, on fire and constantly haunted by an orb hovering above his head.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 12, 2017 18:38:13 GMT
Those videos are really funny. I like it, when he beginns to rant - for example, when he meets Jowan again in Redcliffe - priceless One of my favorite moments and there are so many. Another I especially like is this bit during the confrontation with Howe: SF Debris: "Alright, Howe, you may have thought you planned for everything but there is one thing you didn't consider. My willingness to light myself on fire. 'Cause I will throw a fireball at my own feet if I'll catch you in the flames. Hell, if you grab on to me, the last thing you'll hear is me crying let's see who has more hit points before I put my tongue on my own lightning staff!"There is also the ending to the "Nature of the Beast" video wherein he stumbles across Athras, the elf whose wife has become a werewolf, whom he'd forgotten about and tries to give him the fur pelt from when he accidentally skinned Danyla's body when he looted it. Athras: "Is there... is there any chance that you have news of Danyla?"SF Debris: "Yes, I'm afraid she's passed on but she asked us to give you her love and to give you this- oh crap, I must have dropped it at the temple. Uhm, give you this... fine fur coat she made for you!"Athras (Sf Debris): "How thoughtful. This is so lovely."Sf Debris: "Yes! She, uh, she really put a lot of herself into it, I have to say. Uh, have a nice day." Oh and the running gag of how Tim the Enchanter is gradually falling more and more victim to Origin's visual effects until he's simultaneously glowing, transparent, pulsating, shedding particles, on fire and constantly haunted by an orb hovering above his head. The orb is the best: that funeral scen in Redcliffe was hilarious because of it. But he is right, those visual effects are a bit over the top. Since I'm on pc, I use a mod to switch them off. They were seriously hindering me in battles. Luckily, it's not so bad in the other DA games- And I think SF Debris does make a very good point about Alistair and him being so overwhelmed by the urge of vengeance that he threatens to become like Loghain. I never feel good making Ali king alone because of this, he is best with Anora on his side or staying a GW.
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Post by shechinah on Dec 12, 2017 19:01:02 GMT
The orb is the best: that funeral scen in Redcliffe was hilarious because of it. But he is right, those visual effects are a bit over the top. Since I'm on pc, I use a mod to switch them off. They were seriously hindering me in battles. Luckily, it's not so bad in the other DA games- And I think SF Debris does make a very good point about Alistair and him being so overwhelmed by the urge of vengeance that he threatens to become like Loghain. I never feel good making Ali king alone because of this, he is best with Anora on his side or staying a GW. During my canon run, there was this constant whum sound that kept bothering me. What made it worse was that it happened even during conversations and I couldn't for the life of me figure out what the cause of it was. In Awakening, I finally found out what it: turned out one of my warrior's best abilities had an audial effect. I installed a mod to remove it because the only other alternative was to constantly turn the ability on and off. I've since then always used mods that removed sustained visual effects and audial effects that I find intrusive. I love some of them but by god, there are some that look just silly such as some of the bard's abilities. It's why I was always amused when some people criticized Inquisition's visual effects as being cartoonish and something that Origin would never do because it was dark and atmospheric and stuff. Yeah, my preferred choice is to have Alistair and Anora rule alongside each other because Alistair has heart and a sense of right and wrong but lacks experience and is prone to letting emotions cloud his judgement while Anora has experience but is more cold and calculating.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 12, 2017 19:06:10 GMT
The orb is the best: that funeral scen in Redcliffe was hilarious because of it. But he is right, those visual effects are a bit over the top. Since I'm on pc, I use a mod to switch them off. They were seriously hindering me in battles. Luckily, it's not so bad in the other DA games- And I think SF Debris does make a very good point about Alistair and him being so overwhelmed by the urge of vengeance that he threatens to become like Loghain. I never feel good making Ali king alone because of this, he is best with Anora on his side or staying a GW. During my canon run, there was this constant whum sound that kept bothering me. What made it worse was that it happened even during conversations and I couldn't for the life of me figure out what the cause of it was. In Awakening, I finally found out what it: turned out one of my warrior's best abilities had an audial effect. I installed a mod to remove it because the only other alternative was to constantly turn the ability on and off. I've since then always used mods that removed sustained visual effects and audial effects that I find intrusive. I love some of them but by god, there are some that look just silly such as some of the bard's abilities. It's why I was always amused when some people criticized Inquisition's visual effects as being cartoonish and something that Origin would never do because it was dark and atmospheric and stuff. Yeah, my preferred choice is to have Alistair and Anora rule alongside each other because Alistair has heart and a sense of right and wrong but lacks experience and is prone to letting emotions cloud his judgement while Anora has experience but is more cold and calculating. I had that problem with my bard glowing pink all the time and in battles all was glowing pink. It took me a while to figure out, it was my song. And I'm really ok with DAI effects, they are much more subtle than the ones in DAO, although it made for a great review video Alistair and Anora is my favorite outcome too. He is the heart, she is the brain - perfect.
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 12, 2017 19:37:13 GMT
The orb is the best: that funeral scen in Redcliffe was hilarious because of it. But he is right, those visual effects are a bit over the top. Since I'm on pc, I use a mod to switch them off. They were seriously hindering me in battles. Luckily, it's not so bad in the other DA games- And I think SF Debris does make a very good point about Alistair and him being so overwhelmed by the urge of vengeance that he threatens to become like Loghain. I never feel good making Ali king alone because of this, he is best with Anora on his side or staying a GW. During my canon run, there was this constant whum sound that kept bothering me. What made it worse was that it happened even during conversations and I couldn't for the life of me figure out what the cause of it was. In Awakening, I finally found out what it: turned out one of my warrior's best abilities had an audial effect. I installed a mod to remove it because the only other alternative was to constantly turn the ability on and off. I've since then always used mods that removed sustained visual effects and audial effects that I find intrusive. I love some of them but by god, there are some that look just silly such as some of the bard's abilities. It's why I was always amused when some people criticized Inquisition's visual effects as being cartoonish and something that Origin would never do because it was dark and atmospheric and stuff. Yeah, my preferred choice is to have Alistair and Anora rule alongside each other because Alistair has heart and a sense of right and wrong but lacks experience and is prone to letting emotions cloud his judgement while Anora has experience but is more cold and calculating. Ha, my wardens are usualy lit up like christmas trees because all of the sustained/passives.
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Post by phoray on Dec 12, 2017 23:52:03 GMT
Debris does make a very good point about Alistair and him being so overwhelmed by the urge of vengeance that he threatens to become like Loghain Interesting. Can I hear this explained more?
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Post by shechinah on Dec 13, 2017 0:08:51 GMT
Debris does make a very good point about Alistair and him being so overwhelmed by the urge of vengeance that he threatens to become like Loghain Interesting. Can I hear this explained more? Riordan: "Wait, there is another option. The Teyrn is a warrior and general of renown. Let him be of use. Let him go through the Joining."Alistair: "Absolutely not! Riordan, this man abandoned our brothers and then blamed us for the deed! He hunted us down like animals! He tortured you! How can we simply forget that?!"SF Debris: "Riordan has as much reason to hate Loghain as we do but Alistair is blinded by his desire for revenge. So much so that Loghain must die for him to take the throne but Riordan is right and Alistair is doing this for all the wrong reasons. It was Loghain's hatred for the Orlesians that caused all this suffering to happen yet Alistair is perfectly willing to let his own hatred stand in the way of what is best for his kingdom so regretfully, I have to refuse the throne though I do convince Anora to spare Alistair's life provided he swears to give up any claim to the throne. Alistair finally found the family that he was missing through the Grey Wardens and yet this hate that came to him, it's cost him everything: that family, his throne and his place within our ranks."
Just as Loghain was unable to set aside the wrongs done to him and his countrymen by Orlais for Ferelden's best, so was Alistair unable to set aside the wrongs done to him and the Grey Wardens by Loghain for Ferelden's best and the Grey Wardens' mission.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 13, 2017 6:25:23 GMT
Debris does make a very good point about Alistair and him being so overwhelmed by the urge of vengeance that he threatens to become like Loghain Interesting. Can I hear this explained more? What shechinah said. I think, you find the whole peace in part 8 of 9 of his review
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 13, 2017 10:03:41 GMT
Interesting. Can I hear this explained more? Riordan: "Wait, there is another option. The Teyrn is a warrior and general of renown. Let him be of use. Let him go through the Joining."Alistair: "Absolutely not! Riordan, this man abandoned our brothers and then blamed us for the deed! He hunted us down like animals! He tortured you! How can we simply forget that?!"SF Debris: "Riordan has as much reason to hate Loghain as we do but Alistair is blinded by his desire for revenge. So much so that Loghain must die for him to take the throne but Riordan is right and Alistair is doing this for all the wrong reasons. It was Loghain's hatred for the Orlesians that caused all this suffering to happen yet Alistair is perfectly willing to let his own hatred stand in the way of what is best for his kingdom so regretfully, I have to refuse the throne though I do convince Anora to spare Alistair's life provided he swears to give up any claim to the throne. Alistair finally found the family that he was missing through the Grey Wardens and yet this hate that came to him, it's cost him everything: that family, his throne and his place within our ranks."
Just as Loghain was unable to set aside the wrongs done to him and his countrymen by Orlais for Ferelden's best, so was Alistair unable to set aside the wrongs done to him and the Grey Wardens by Loghain for Ferelden's best and the Grey Wardens' mission. I watched then first part and it was fun indeed. I doubt I have time for the whole series though. I vehemently disagree on Loghain/Alistair though. Riordan have been treated very badly by Loghain/Howe indeed but has not been dealt as harshly as the Warden and Alistair. I agree that Alistair is driven by vengeance. More so than the warden (who as a player can chose another path) BUT we don't need Loghain. Loghain isn't needed to save the kingdom. What the kingdom of Ferelden really needs is his head on a spike. (Sorry that last part may be what I seem to constantly need (as sign from the maker The cliffs of Gallipoli started on i-tunes as I wrote this - "and they knew they would die-iy OS-TA-GAR")).
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Post by Sifr on Dec 19, 2017 6:15:07 GMT
Rather enjoyed his comparisons between the characters in DA and KOTOR, especially his take on Loghain. A fallen hero and well-intentioned extremist, who served as a general in a great war, had an epic bromance with his best friend, only to later betray everything he previously stood for in a failed attempt to seize power. Loghain really is the "Revan" of DAO! How did I not see that before? --- Quick update:Chuck (SFDebris) is currently in the middle of a server move because Vidme shut down this past week (Dec 14th). He's currently in the process up uploading everything onto Vimeo, but given the ten years worth of videos he's got in his archives, it might be a while before the DAO review is put back up. If anyone is having trouble watching the DAO video, that's probably the reason why.
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Post by Walter Black on Dec 19, 2017 18:32:53 GMT
Rather enjoyed his comparisons between the characters in DA and KOTOR, especially his take on Loghain. A fallen hero and well-intentioned extremist, who served as a general in a great war, had an epic bromance with his best friend, only to later betray everything he previously stood for in a failed attempt to seize power. Loghain really is the "Revan" of DAO! How did I not see that before? One fan head canon I like is that if The Stolen Throne were a Dragon Age game, Loghain would be the Human Commoner protagonist. his interactions with Maric and Rowan are essentially Hardening them, Katriel gets the Murder Knife (even if Maric technically did it), he wins the climatic battle* and gets the standard "Hero of ______" title. Maric killing Severan and Meghren are essentially DLC before he takes over in The Calling. Given some of Bioware's treatments of returning protagonists, this fits too, unfortunately...
*Which we never see . If Gaider had to cut the Battle of River Dane for length and/or time, couldn't he have cut some of the Deep Roads stuff instead? Or the Night Elves, since they barely affect the plot and are only there to have more Elves?
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Post by fylimar on Dec 30, 2017 18:24:05 GMT
Myfavorite line in the second part of the DA2 review: Remember kids: No to magic, yes to hemophilia Catilina: you should take a look at the beginning of the second part of the DA2 review. SF Debris shares your opinion about magic and has a very funny way to argument his view
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Post by Walter Black on Dec 31, 2017 2:56:53 GMT
Myfavorite line in the second part of the DA2 review: Remember kids: No to magic, yes to hemophilia Catilina : you should take a look at the beginning of the second part of the DA2 review. SF Debris shares your opinion about magic and has a very funny way to argument his view That's... debatable .
While Chuck is certainly no fan of Circles or the Chantry, he still seems to prefer sensible regulation and the rule of law, with mages fulfilling positive responsibilities to society. A far cry from Catilina's "Mages are born better and should be allowed to do whatever the hell they want because wish fulfillment! Showing any thought to muggles caught in the crossfire, or to what culture would actually replace the civilization our adolescent anarchism wants to bring down? Mundanes are BORING, and thinking's too hard!" approach .
Not to mention how he compared Act 1 Anders to Harvey Weinstein ...
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Post by Catilina on Dec 31, 2017 10:23:36 GMT
Myfavorite line in the second part of the DA2 review: Remember kids: No to magic, yes to hemophilia Catilina : you should take a look at the beginning of the second part of the DA2 review. SF Debris shares your opinion about magic and has a very funny way to argument his view That's... debatable . While Chuck is certainly no fan Circles or the Chantry, he still seems to prefer sensible regulation and the rule of law, with mages fulfilling positive responsibilities to society. A far cry from Catilina's "Mages are born better and should be allowed to do whatever the hell they want because wish fulfillment! Showing any thought to muggles caught in the crossfire, or to what culture would actually replace the civilization our adolescent anarchism wants to bring down? Mundanes are BORING, and thinking's too hard!" approach .
Not to mention how he compared Act 1 Anders to Harvey Weinstein ...
Funny aspect, you never read, what I wrote, if you think that about me. (And also Anders not an Anarchist.) Yes, he thinks, Anders a pervert, according to me, he's sometimes an asshole, and his reaction to the refusal perhaps passionate (just as he is), but understandable. The video mentions as well, that there no another version only "me too" or "fuck off you prick". (Isabela also give rivalry, if Hawke refuses her). The video not mention, that later, if Hawke wants flirting yet, Anders refuses him/her (don't tease me), but continues the friendship. And yes, with Aveline, Anders undoubtedly an ass.
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Post by fylimar on Jan 2, 2018 20:27:06 GMT
That's... debatable . While Chuck is certainly no fan Circles or the Chantry, he still seems to prefer sensible regulation and the rule of law, with mages fulfilling positive responsibilities to society. A far cry from Catilina's "Mages are born better and should be allowed to do whatever the hell they want because wish fulfillment! Showing any thought to muggles caught in the crossfire, or to what culture would actually replace the civilization our adolescent anarchism wants to bring down? Mundanes are BORING, and thinking's too hard!" approach .
Not to mention how he compared Act 1 Anders to Harvey Weinstein ...
Funny aspect, you never read, what I wrote, if you think that about me. (And also Anders not an Anarchist.) Yes, he thinks, Anders a pervert, according to me, he's sometimes an asshole, and his reaction to the refusal perhaps passionate (just as he is), but understandable. The video mentions as well, that there no another version only "me too" or "fuck off you prick". (Isabela also give rivalry, if Hawke refuses her). The video not mention, that later, if Hawke wants flirting yet, Anders refuses him/her (don't tease me), but continues the friendship. And yes, with Aveline, Anders undoubtedly an ass. Yeah, I hate his banter with Aveline too, but that is imo out of character for Anders. You can say many thinga about him (and most are probably already said in this forum ), but Anders is not rude and this banter is very rude (Hannibal Lecter would have had Anders for dinner for that banter - that kind of rudeness). And I never had a problem with the Anders romance springing at me like it obviously did with SF Debris. When I don't flirt with Anders, that dialogue never shows up.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 2, 2018 21:04:28 GMT
Funny aspect, you never read, what I wrote, if you think that about me. (And also Anders not an Anarchist.) Yes, he thinks, Anders a pervert, according to me, he's sometimes an asshole, and his reaction to the refusal perhaps passionate (just as he is), but understandable. The video mentions as well, that there no another version only "me too" or "fuck off you prick". (Isabela also give rivalry, if Hawke refuses her). The video not mention, that later, if Hawke wants flirting yet, Anders refuses him/her (don't tease me), but continues the friendship. And yes, with Aveline, Anders undoubtedly an ass. Yeah, I hate his banter with Aveline too, but that is imo out of character for Anders. You can say many thinga about him (and most are probably already said in this forum ), but Anders is not rude and this banter is very rude (Hannibal Lecter would have had Anders for dinner for that banter - that kind of rudeness). And I never had a problem with the Anders romance springing at me like it obviously did with SF Debris. When I don't flirt with Anders, that dialogue never shows up. Anders can be rude, it's not so far from him. But this? I don't know... maybe... he's very rash, never thinking before talks. I can't explain any other way. About that reaction to the refusal is quite understandable (especially if Hawke's a man), Anders' very passionate, and as I said before, he never thinks before talks. When he realizes, he misjudged the situation, he becomes angry – I suppose, rather with himself. This is a common reaction. Interesting, that people want real characters, and when the got one, they hate.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 3, 2018 9:20:04 GMT
Even though Anders was definitely a flirty bloke in Awakening, I think that Anders increasing rashness in DA2 and the reason why he springs romantic interest on Hawke with very little prompting, might be a side-effect of merging with Justice. One of the problems Anders later tells us he has with Justice is that the Spirit doesn't understand the concept of patience, because "there's no time in the Fade". Justice's natural instinct is to want to do everything now, rather than wait for the right moment or opportunity to present itself. Most Spirits/Demons/Abominations we meet seem to be this way. The Desire Demon in Connor could have been sitting pretty in a castle and wait for Eamon to pass away and become the new Arl of Redcliffe, but it lacked the patience and foresight to play the long game. Even Envy who managed to maintain his cover as Corin for several months among Templars and Seekers, eventually slipped up because of his impatience and his inherent nature making the Inquisitor too tantalising of a prize for him to resist trying to impersonate/replace. Cole also struggled with this concept when presented with the injured soldier in Inquisition, that it was still possible that he could recover (which if you chose this option, background dialogue implies he later does). Cole's natural instinct was to take immediate action, not wait and see what might happen. Later conversations between Cole and Cassandra show him start to understand this more and the long-term ramifications of his actions. Cole killed Lambert because he would have hurt more (innocent) mages, but his death escalated the Mage-Templar conflict and lead to more (innocent) mages dying as a consequence. Actually makes me wonder if Cassandra's brash attitude might also be a side-effect of becoming a Seeker. It's not really made clear in DAI if the Seekers are a type of benign abomination like Wynne or the Spirits departed after breaking Tranquility? Of course, it could be neither and Cass is brash simply because she's Cass? Not that I want to blame/place everything Anders does in DA2 solely on Justice's ethereal shoulders, but merging with a being that doesn't understand the concept of time as mortals do (or patience), emotions or nuance, might explain why Anders went from 0-60mph in the romance department after a single Meet Cute? Or for a far more mundane explanation... Anders just found out his friend and former lover was made Tranquil because of him, witnessed Karl temporarily be restored to his senses and immediately beg for death to end his suffering, leading Anders to have to mercy-kill him. People dealing with grief tend to cope in different ways. Seeking intimacy in the wake of a tragic event is a very common and natural response that many people have (so lets avoid being overly judgemental). Anders impulsively flirting with Hawke in the wake of Karl's death, especially when they were speaking about him only moments earlier, doesn't seem so strange if you view it in that light. Anders behaviour throughout that scene isn't entirely inconsistent with his earlier portrayal in Awakening either. Even in that game, he was portrayed as someone who tended to ignore problems by making jokes and casually flirting with those around him.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 3, 2018 17:28:23 GMT
Even though Anders was definitely a flirty bloke in Awakening, I think that Anders increasing rashness in DA2 and the reason why he springs romantic interest on Hawke with very little prompting, might be a side-effect of merging with Justice. One of the problems Anders later tells us he has with Justice is that the Spirit doesn't understand the concept of patience, because "there's no time in the Fade". Justice's natural instinct is to want to do everything now, rather than wait for the right moment or opportunity to present itself. Most Spirits/Demons/Abominations we meet seem to be this way. The Desire Demon in Connor could have been sitting pretty in a castle and wait for Eamon to pass away and become the new Arl of Redcliffe, but it lacked the patience and foresight to play the long game. Even Envy who managed to maintain his cover as Corin for several months among Templars and Seekers, eventually slipped up because of his impatience and his inherent nature making the Inquisitor too tantalising of a prize for him to resist trying to impersonate/replace. Cole also struggled with this concept when presented with the injured soldier in Inquisition, that it was still possible that he could recover (which if you chose this option, background dialogue implies he later does). Cole's natural instinct was to take immediate action, not wait and see what might happen. Later conversations between Cole and Cassandra show him start to understand this more and the long-term ramifications of his actions. Cole killed Lambert because he would have hurt more (innocent) mages, but his death escalated the Mage-Templar conflict and lead to more (innocent) mages dying as a consequence. Actually makes me wonder if Cassandra's brash attitude might also be a side-effect of becoming a Seeker. It's not really made clear in DAI if the Seekers are a type of benign abomination like Wynne or the Spirits departed after breaking Tranquility? Of course, it could be neither and Cass is brash simply because she's Cass? Not that I want to blame/place everything Anders does in DA2 solely on Justice's ethereal shoulders, but merging with a being that doesn't understand the concept of time as mortals do (or patience), emotions or nuance, might explain why Anders went from 0-60mph in the romance department after a single Meet Cute? Or for a far more mundane explanation... Anders just found out his friend and former lover was made Tranquil because of him, witnessed Karl temporarily be restored to his senses and immediately beg for death to end his suffering, leading Anders to have to mercy-kill him. People dealing with grief tend to cope in different ways. Seeking intimacy in the wake of a tragic event is a very common and natural response that many people have (so lets avoid being overly judgemental). Anders impulsively flirting with Hawke in the wake of Karl's death, especially when they were speaking about him only moments earlier, doesn't seem so strange if you view it in that light. Anders behaviour throughout that scene isn't entirely inconsistent with his earlier portrayal in Awakening either. Even in that game, he was portrayed as someone who tended to ignore problems by making jokes and casually flirting with those around him. Seems Justice a very patient spirit... 7 years! About the "mundane" explanation: Yes, you right, his reactions absolutely understandable. And he was not together with Karl a long ago, even if this was not their decision. When after he spoke about Justice, he remember Karl and their love and the Circle's life. True, he welcomed Hawke's flirty conversations, and he able to mix Hawke's sympathy with love interest, attraction, but he don't want to back to the flirt topic. If Hawke wants ro continue the flirts ("heart" option: Let's speak about me! – Hawke's very indiscrete here, I suppose), he says, that would be nice, but he now wery angry, and this prevent to continue the flirt. This is very okay for me. He only accepts Hawke's flirt, seems happy if Hawke shows interest. I don't really know the female version. I saw he "Twillight" scene, here he was dramatically rejecting. So: in two version only if Hawke pick the "broken heart" option he reacts badly, and I said, this is very understandable.
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