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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 21:05:21 GMT
Jade Empire. The most culturally insensitive and tone deaf orientalist bullshit that I was still amazed that they're created by the exact same writers of Dragon Age and Mass Effect. But no... its a cult classic, its perfect, everyone loves it, it needed to be remastered and remake... okay... this is a long rant.. Was it really too much to do some basic research on East Asia culture? You could create diverse Thedas or diverse The Old Republic but the idea of a diverse East Asia is too much? Did anyone watch wuxia shows or read literature or learn basic history? Did nobody read Romance of the Third Kingdom and that there are multiple warring states before the formation unified China, Korea and Japan? Its also a fighting game based on ancient times... why was Bruce Lee's Wing Chun is in the game? Why not include the (overrated but old as dirt) Shao Lin styles? Why is there obviously bad guy Samurai and Ninja while still belonging in one geography? If there's Japanese influence, where's the Shogunate? Why make fake Asian language in a supposedly a homogenous society where everyone should speak the same language? Why everyone speak in strange sentence structure in Engrish and consistently drop their fake accent? Why majority of the NPCs all have the exact same epicanthal folds on their eyes.. as if there's no asians with double eyelids? Is everyone related? Why most peasant spoke like they're English-born royalty? Why is everyone so obsessed about spiritualism and mumbo jumbo... why no versions of Confucianism, Taoism, Buddhism... why there's no exploration of philosophy and social commentary.. instead of depending on stereotypical portrayals of Asians in Western media and overused hero's journey archetype.
Why nobody talk about how that "Jade Empire" name literally imply that its an empire filled with prostitutes. Its a French word that was a derogatory insult in English. I 'suppose' it means the milk green-ish stone, 玉 Yù, which literally just mean beautiful gem... its female ornament. Why do you think the English use that exact word for it in the first place?
Is there not even a single East Asian-descent writer in North America that they could use before they made an expensive game? Heck, I'll be happy if its just A Song of Ice and Fire series but set in Ancient China... which actually can be accurate for that setting.
The saga of the Romance of Three Kingdoms covers the late 2nd century AD, while the Jade Empire is trying to emulate something from a later dynasty, during one of the stable periods of unification. After what was once divided, was united Jade is a precious stone in China, particularly white Jade and was valued above gold. As for the game's monolithic and mono-cultural feel, that's why I clamor for sequels, to see more of the Asian cultures around the Empire and updates on the best they could do in 2005 graphics. After all, Thedas was presented to us in 3 games, and only covered Ferelden and Orlais. When I look at Jade, I see a love letter to the Imperial China and a bit of healthy laugh at the writer's own expense, at the Canucks who are in love with wuxia and wanted to reimagine it in a cool game. To have tons of fun. That's the Bio spirit that was mostly lost after Jade, after Bio was sold. That's what I see in Jade Empire, and that's why I love it so much, because it reflects my own absolute long-distance love of Asia (obviously, unrequited) and because the game is not ashamed to admit that, particularly in our world where we are all reticent and afraid to offend even through affection and admiration. And because it was unafraid of having fun and being *just* fun and cool. It is a work of fantasy, a tribute, and Jade Empire is just as much a reflection of China as Ferelden is a reflection of UK or Orlais - of France.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Nov 20, 2017 22:09:42 GMT
Jade Empire. The most culturally insensitive and tone deaf orientalist bullshit that I was still amazed that they're created by the exact same writers of Dragon Age and Mass Effect. But no... its a cult classic, its perfect, everyone loves it, it needed to be remastered and remake... okay... this is a long rant.. Was it really too much to do some basic research on East Asia culture? You could create diverse Thedas or diverse The Old Republic but the idea of a diverse East Asia is too much? Did anyone watch wuxia shows or read literature or learn basic history? Did nobody read Romance of the Third Kingdom and that there are multiple warring states before the formation unified China, Korea and Japan? Its also a fighting game based on ancient times... why was Bruce Lee's Wing Chun is in the game? Why not include the (overrated but old as dirt) Shao Lin styles? Why is there obviously bad guy Samurai and Ninja while still belonging in one geography? If there's Japanese influence, where's the Shogunate? Why make fake Asian language in a supposedly a homogenous society where everyone should speak the same language? Why everyone speak in strange sentence structure in Engrish and consistently drop their fake accent? Why majority of the NPCs all have the exact same epicanthal folds on their eyes.. as if there's no asians with double eyelids? Is everyone related? Why most peasant spoke like they're English-born royalty? Why is everyone so obsessed about spiritualism and mumbo jumbo... why no versions of Confucianism, Taoism, Buddhism... why there's no exploration of philosophy and social commentary.. instead of depending on stereotypical portrayals of Asians in Western media and overused hero's journey archetype.
Why nobody talk about how that "Jade Empire" name literally imply that its an empire filled with prostitutes. Its a French word that was a derogatory insult in English. I 'suppose' it means the milk green-ish stone, 玉 Yù, which literally just mean beautiful gem... its female ornament. Why do you think the English use that exact word for it in the first place?
Is there not even a single East Asian-descent writer in North America that they could use before they made an expensive game? Heck, I'll be happy if its just A Song of Ice and Fire series but set in Ancient China... which actually can be accurate for that setting.
Personally I wouldn't hold it against Jade Empire for not being historically accurate, I mean it isn't meant to be a historically accurate representation of ancient china but a completely different universe inspired by ancient china, far as I know they did not have mechanical flying machines in ancient china either. That said it has been a while since I played Jade Empire but suddenly I have an urge to play through it again, are there any mods that allow controller functionality on PC and generally make the game look a bit better with higher resolutions and such?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 22:23:32 GMT
Jade Empire. The most culturally insensitive and tone deaf orientalist bullshit that I was still amazed that they're created by the exact same writers of Dragon Age and Mass Effect. But no... its a cult classic, its perfect, everyone loves it, it needed to be remastered and remake... okay... this is a long rant.. Was it really too much to do some basic research on East Asia culture? You could create diverse Thedas or diverse The Old Republic but the idea of a diverse East Asia is too much? Did anyone watch wuxia shows or read literature or learn basic history? Did nobody read Romance of the Third Kingdom and that there are multiple warring states before the formation unified China, Korea and Japan? Its also a fighting game based on ancient times... why was Bruce Lee's Wing Chun is in the game? Why not include the (overrated but old as dirt) Shao Lin styles? Why is there obviously bad guy Samurai and Ninja while still belonging in one geography? If there's Japanese influence, where's the Shogunate? Why make fake Asian language in a supposedly a homogenous society where everyone should speak the same language? Why everyone speak in strange sentence structure in Engrish and consistently drop their fake accent? Why majority of the NPCs all have the exact same epicanthal folds on their eyes.. as if there's no asians with double eyelids? Is everyone related? Why most peasant spoke like they're English-born royalty? Why is everyone so obsessed about spiritualism and mumbo jumbo... why no versions of Confucianism, Taoism, Buddhism... why there's no exploration of philosophy and social commentary.. instead of depending on stereotypical portrayals of Asians in Western media and overused hero's journey archetype.
Why nobody talk about how that "Jade Empire" name literally imply that its an empire filled with prostitutes. Its a French word that was a derogatory insult in English. I 'suppose' it means the milk green-ish stone, 玉 Yù, which literally just mean beautiful gem... its female ornament. Why do you think the English use that exact word for it in the first place?
Is there not even a single East Asian-descent writer in North America that they could use before they made an expensive game? Heck, I'll be happy if its just A Song of Ice and Fire series but set in Ancient China... which actually can be accurate for that setting.
Personally I wouldn't hold it against Jade Empire for not being historically accurate, I mean it isn't meant to be a historically accurate representation of ancient china but a completely different universe inspired by ancient china, far as I know they did not have mechanical flying machines in ancient china either. That said it has been a while since I played Jade Empire but suddenly I have an urge to play through it again, are there any mods that allow controller functionality on PC and generally make the game look a bit better with higher resolutions and such? My Origins version comes with controller support by default. It is the one that Origins gave out for free. I think it was also enhanced in that edition which results in everything in the game looking crisper, but movies/cinematic looking 2005. I posted a few screenshots in the Bio Legacy games forum, if you want to see approximate quality comparison b/w game and cinematics. It's hard to play it for the first fifteen or twenty minutes, then I found I started adjusting, but cinematics do really look blurry. I have never installed the mods for it, I do not think there were many.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Nov 21, 2017 0:54:24 GMT
On the subject of games that are highly overrated I also gotta nominate Conker's Bad Fur Day.
I loved this game as a kid but that was probably because I was a dumb pre-pubescent kid old enough to know what sex was but still young enough to find it funny, looking back on it as an adult I can see that Conker's Bad Fur Day was actually pretty crap. Gameplay wise the game was a step backwards from Rare's previous platformers with fewer actions and abilities available in Conker's moveset and most of them being locked behind context sensitive button pads, humour wise there was nothing remotely clever or witty about the game relying almost purely on the notion that swear words and references to human anatomy and bodily functions are naughty and thus inherently funny so no extra commentary or insight needed! Also we put blatant references to movies you like so laugh you dumb little shits!
That said I do have to admit I do still laugh at the cog scene where Mr Cog gets you to round up his sex slaves and you have to mount them on his erect shafts where it is implied that hey orally and anally rapes them as there is no way in hell such a scene would be allowed in today's video games.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 21, 2017 1:42:59 GMT
Civ 5, overrated piece of mobile game garbage. The only good thing was getting rid of the doom stacks. Played Endless Legends and that game does it way better.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Nov 21, 2017 3:31:33 GMT
Jade Empire. The most culturally insensitive and tone deaf orientalist bullshit that I was still amazed that they're created by the exact same writers of Dragon Age and Mass Effect. But no... its a cult classic, its perfect, everyone loves it, it needed to be remastered and remake... okay... this is a long rant.. Was it really too much to do some basic research on East Asia culture? You could create diverse Thedas or diverse The Old Republic but the idea of a diverse East Asia is too much? Did anyone watch wuxia shows or read literature or learn basic history? Did nobody read Romance of the Third Kingdom and that there are multiple warring states before the formation unified China, Korea and Japan? Its also a fighting game based on ancient times... why was Bruce Lee's Wing Chun is in the game? Why not include the (overrated but old as dirt) Shao Lin styles? Why is there obviously bad guy Samurai and Ninja while still belonging in one geography? If there's Japanese influence, where's the Shogunate? Why make fake Asian language in a supposedly a homogenous society where everyone should speak the same language? Why everyone speak in strange sentence structure in Engrish and consistently drop their fake accent? Why majority of the NPCs all have the exact same epicanthal folds on their eyes.. as if there's no asians with double eyelids? Is everyone related? Why most peasant spoke like they're English-born royalty? Why is everyone so obsessed about spiritualism and mumbo jumbo... why no versions of Confucianism, Taoism, Buddhism... why there's no exploration of philosophy and social commentary.. instead of depending on stereotypical portrayals of Asians in Western media and overused hero's journey archetype.
Why nobody talk about how that "Jade Empire" name literally imply that its an empire filled with prostitutes. Its a French word that was a derogatory insult in English. I 'suppose' it means the milk green-ish stone, 玉 Yù, which literally just mean beautiful gem... its female ornament. Why do you think the English use that exact word for it in the first place?
Is there not even a single East Asian-descent writer in North America that they could use before they made an expensive game? Heck, I'll be happy if its just A Song of Ice and Fire series but set in Ancient China... which actually can be accurate for that setting.
Personally I wouldn't hold it against Jade Empire for not being historically accurate, I mean it isn't meant to be a historically accurate representation of ancient china but a completely different universe inspired by ancient china, far as I know they did not have mechanical flying machines in ancient china either. That said it has been a while since I played Jade Empire but suddenly I have an urge to play through it again, are there any mods that allow controller functionality on PC and generally make the game look a bit better with higher resolutions and such? ...There are Asian Fantasy. That's what Wuxia is all about. Storm Riders have people waving their hands to change weather, giant swords popping up and attack people telekinetically ... Demi Gods and Semi Devil is the DC movies equivalent of Chinese pop literature. Romance of the Third Kingdoms is basically Game of Thrones. You can have Ancient Asian version of Tevinter Imperium, Fereldan, Free March and Orlais over the simple fact like Ancient Chinese also have its own infighting (Mongol, Manchu, Han Chinese.. ring a bell?) and even to this day Chinese, Japanese and Korean all have their own preconceived prejudices about each other, WW2 conquest in Asia Pacific is heavily influenced by their past war with each other. Japan go all genocidal on them. And its not about historical accuracy, is about people. Jade Empire is straight up filled to the brim with racist portrayals of East Asians.... You don't blend stereotypes to make a fake Asian and not expect actual Asians not to comment on it or expect everyone to suck it up simply because its someone's childhood game...
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 21, 2017 10:36:42 GMT
They say Planescape Torment is a great game. Tried it thrice. Twice I barely came out of the first house. The third time I had no clue what it was about. Each time the effing skull got on my nerves big time. Never got past the first act.
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Post by Lorn on Nov 21, 2017 13:03:36 GMT
Jade Empire. The most culturally insensitive and tone deaf orientalist bullshit that I was still amazed that they're created by the exact same writers of Dragon Age and Mass Effect. But no... its a cult classic, its perfect, everyone loves it, it needed to be remastered and remake... okay... this is a long rant.. Was it really too much to do some basic research on East Asia culture? You could create diverse Thedas or diverse The Old Republic but the idea of a diverse East Asia is too much? Did anyone watch wuxia shows or read literature or learn basic history? Did nobody read Romance of the Third Kingdom and that there are multiple warring states before the formation unified China, Korea and Japan? Its also a fighting game based on ancient times... why was Bruce Lee's Wing Chun is in the game? Why not include the (overrated but old as dirt) Shao Lin styles? Why is there obviously bad guy Samurai and Ninja while still belonging in one geography? If there's Japanese influence, where's the Shogunate? Why make fake Asian language in a supposedly a homogenous society where everyone should speak the same language? Why everyone speak in strange sentence structure in Engrish and consistently drop their fake accent? Why majority of the NPCs all have the exact same epicanthal folds on their eyes.. as if there's no asians with double eyelids? Is everyone related? Why most peasant spoke like they're English-born royalty? Why is everyone so obsessed about spiritualism and mumbo jumbo... why no versions of Confucianism, Taoism, Buddhism... why there's no exploration of philosophy and social commentary.. instead of depending on stereotypical portrayals of Asians in Western media and overused hero's journey archetype.
Why nobody talk about how that "Jade Empire" name literally imply that its an empire filled with prostitutes. Its a French word that was a derogatory insult in English. I 'suppose' it means the milk green-ish stone, 玉 Yù, which literally just mean beautiful gem... its female ornament. Why do you think the English use that exact word for it in the first place?
Is there not even a single East Asian-descent writer in North America that they could use before they made an expensive game? Heck, I'll be happy if its just A Song of Ice and Fire series but set in Ancient China... which actually can be accurate for that setting.
Yes, a fantasy world loosely based off of aspects the real world needs to be historically accurate to not be racist... Using your reasoning, the British/French/Germans/Catholicism/Muslims/Romans/Greeks etc should all be pissed about Dragon Age because it fails to respect everything about actual history and culture when dealing with Fereldan/Orlais/Qunari/Tevinter etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 14:23:05 GMT
Personally I wouldn't hold it against Jade Empire for not being historically accurate, I mean it isn't meant to be a historically accurate representation of ancient china but a completely different universe inspired by ancient china, far as I know they did not have mechanical flying machines in ancient china either. That said it has been a while since I played Jade Empire but suddenly I have an urge to play through it again, are there any mods that allow controller functionality on PC and generally make the game look a bit better with higher resolutions and such? ...There are Asian Fantasy. That's what Wuxia is all about. Storm Riders have people waving their hands to change weather, giant swords popping up and attack people telekinetically ... Demi Gods and Semi Devil is the DC movies equivalent of Chinese pop literature. Romance of the Third Kingdoms is basically Game of Thrones. You can have Ancient Asian version of Tevinter Imperium, Fereldan, Free March and Orlais over the simple fact like Ancient Chinese also have its own infighting (Mongol, Manchu, Han Chinese.. ring a bell?) and even to this day Chinese, Japanese and Korean all have their own preconceived prejudices about each other, WW2 conquest in Asia Pacific is heavily influenced by their past war with each other. Japan go all genocidal on them. And its not about historical accuracy, is about people. Jade Empire is straight up filled to the brim with racist portrayals of East Asians.... You don't blend stereotypes to make a fake Asian and not expect actual Asians not to comment on it or expect everyone to suck it up simply because its someone's childhood game... It is fine that you consider it overrated. But, again, the requests, at least mine, about remakes and sequels are driven by the desire to see more character models, and bring in more themes into the setting, going beyond the Han heartland and dealing with the fallout of one drought and one conflict in the Imperial family. You have just skimmed through the 2 millennia of history in SEA and NEA in a space of one paragraph, essentially saying that Jade Empire as a game is racist because it did not portray the internecine strife and competition for power and the relations between various proto-states in SEA and NEA. I think it is unfair to expect from one videogame to cover an incredible amount of material like that, and one single game would have never done justice to the diversity within China itself, let alone including The rest in the mix and grabbing and mashing up 2000 years into The Romance of Three Kingdoms is a compelling work of art, and I am going to try to learn to play with two hands on the keyboard to just play the Dynasty Warriors 8 to play Lu Bu. Gods help me... it certainly would be great to play a game based on that political situation. You would have preferred it to be like Dragon Age. Fair enough, but, again, Jade Empire was released in 2005 and was a short title. Well, I would absolutely buy every remake, sequel and DLC that will take me from the Imperial Heartland to the western panhandle extending into fantasy Central Asia, see the places where the horselords from the Norse clashed with the river and jungle faring fleets of the south, see the ships sail to the islands beyond, and play a stiff campaign of unquenchsble resistance... as well as traveling further to the south and looking at the golden leaf covered buildings, and the kingdoms influenced by the fantasy South Asia.... I will buy each and every one of those. I will revel in names, faces and nations and the stories they would tell. Except there is not any, but a good old Jade Empire, 2005 and an even more obscure Assasin’s Creed’s: Chronicles, trying its best to tell a good story. Saying it’s racist because they’ve drawn inspiration from China but focused on too small an issue and did not go for an all-inclusive epic cramming in 2000 years and multiple states in the region is still unfair imo. Which, again, should not stop anyone from considering the game underwhelming and over-rated.
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Post by AnDromedary on Nov 21, 2017 20:32:39 GMT
Jade Empire. The most culturally insensitive and tone deaf orientalist bullshit that I was still amazed that they're created by the exact same writers of Dragon Age and Mass Effect. But no... its a cult classic, its perfect, everyone loves it, it needed to be remastered and remake... okay... this is a long rant.. Was it really too much to do some basic research on East Asia culture? You could create diverse Thedas or diverse The Old Republic but the idea of a diverse East Asia is too much? Did anyone watch wuxia shows or read literature or learn basic history? Did nobody read Romance of the Third Kingdom and that there are multiple warring states before the formation unified China, Korea and Japan? Its also a fighting game based on ancient times... why was Bruce Lee's Wing Chun is in the game? Why not include the (overrated but old as dirt) Shao Lin styles? Why is there obviously bad guy Samurai and Ninja while still belonging in one geography? If there's Japanese influence, where's the Shogunate? Why make fake Asian language in a supposedly a homogenous society where everyone should speak the same language? Why everyone speak in strange sentence structure in Engrish and consistently drop their fake accent? Why majority of the NPCs all have the exact same epicanthal folds on their eyes.. as if there's no asians with double eyelids? Is everyone related? Why most peasant spoke like they're English-born royalty? Why is everyone so obsessed about spiritualism and mumbo jumbo... why no versions of Confucianism, Taoism, Buddhism... why there's no exploration of philosophy and social commentary.. instead of depending on stereotypical portrayals of Asians in Western media and overused hero's journey archetype.
Why nobody talk about how that "Jade Empire" name literally imply that its an empire filled with prostitutes. Its a French word that was a derogatory insult in English. I 'suppose' it means the milk green-ish stone, 玉 Yù, which literally just mean beautiful gem... its female ornament. Why do you think the English use that exact word for it in the first place?
Is there not even a single East Asian-descent writer in North America that they could use before they made an expensive game? Heck, I'll be happy if its just A Song of Ice and Fire series but set in Ancient China... which actually can be accurate for that setting.
Yes, a fantasy world loosely based off of aspects the real world needs to be historically accurate to not be racist... Using your reasoning, the British/French/Germans/Catholicism/Muslims/Romans/Greeks etc should all be pissed about Dragon Age because it fails to respect everything about actual history and culture when dealing with Fereldan/Orlais/Qunari/Tevinter etc. Exactly this! How many stereotypes about the western world have we mashed together in fantasy games/movies/novels? I mean, just look at Tolkien's Middleearth. What a shitshow of twisted and mangled perversions of European cultures is that? We should really ban it (and all other works inspired by it) for its racist defamation of our sacred and ancient western culture. ... or we could just chill out and enjoy it for what it is, a piece of fiction set in another world of pure fantasy, with awesome stories about awesome characters, that are just different from what we were used to as references for real world stories. Wait, could that escapist attitude maybe have been the secret of the success of these types of fiction in the first place? Food for thought ...
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Post by aoibhealfae on Nov 22, 2017 21:02:27 GMT
...asians aren't alien creatures that you can roleplay as... You don't have to make up fake Asians when we always exist. Our stories and our culture are diverse and there's million different stories that we're gladly share and offer for authenticity... which Jade Empire doesn't have. Stories and characters that are plain insensitive, so many parts that was plain ignorant, condescending, caricatures of the society and its people that are plain stereotypical.. it became a lot worse when I realized the game were gamer's first exposure to Asian stories... how cringey was that.
Whatever I'm saying about the game, it won't change the fact that people still think Jade Empire fondly and desperately want sequels. And yet, Bioware act as the game never exist. Now you know why.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 21:26:22 GMT
...asians aren't alien creatures that you can roleplay as... You don't have to make up fake Asians when we always exist. Our stories and our culture are diverse and there's million different stories that we're gladly share and offer for authenticity... which Jade Empire doesn't have. Stories and characters that are plain insensitive, so many parts that was plain ignorant, condescending, caricatures of the society and its people that are plain stereotypical.. it became a lot worse when I realized the game were gamer's first exposure to Asian stories... how cringey was that. Whatever I'm saying about the game, it won't change the fact that people still think Jade Empire fondly and desperately want sequels. And yet, Bioware act as the game never exist. Now you know why. The day Asian multimillion dollar gaming industry makes an RPG game for the Western market that reflects the insider looking in view of the continent, I will line up and play it. Take my money! So far I played two Asian games that were made available to the Western audience, one by a Korean, and another - by Chinese team, and I do not see a marked difference in how the fantasy was presented. I loved the artwork in one of them to bits. But I can’t say the plots were engaging. I am going to pick Dinasty Warriors 8, and see how I like it. That one is supposed to be based on the RO3K. The overall lean of the present-day education systems towards technical sciences and away from the humanity disciplines pretty much ensures the overall ignorance of history in the vast majority of us, and that does not apply only to the international, world history. An in-depth understanding of one own's national history has also become a rarity and a hobbits pursuit. Most of us go around with a few bits and pieces of events and personalities that managed to break through the walls of disinterested texts due to their incredible nature. (Shrug) at any rate, the recommendations of the games that feel authentic for any culture are welcome.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2017 3:52:33 GMT
Calling Skyrim overrated definitely makes sense (even though I disagree), but Fallout 4? Whenever I see the game being discussed somewhere, opinions tend to be mostly negative, and very few people say it's great. Overhyped before release, yes definitely, but shortly after release the game was quickly abandoned and almost forgotten--mostly remembered as a disappointment. Skyrim still has a large, reverent fanbase, but very few people seem to care about Fallout 4 anymore.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 23, 2017 4:51:28 GMT
Not sure Fallout 4 seems to split the fans of the old and new games even further.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 22:32:16 GMT
Jade Empire. The most culturally insensitive and tone deaf orientalist bullshit that I was still amazed that they're created by the exact same writers of Dragon Age and Mass Effect. But no... its a cult classic, its perfect, everyone loves it, it needed to be remastered and remake... okay... this is a long rant.. Was it really too much to do some basic research on East Asia culture? You could create diverse Thedas or diverse The Old Republic but the idea of a diverse East Asia is too much? Did anyone watch wuxia shows or read literature or learn basic history? Did nobody read Romance of the Third Kingdom and that there are multiple warring states before the formation unified China, Korea and Japan? Its also a fighting game based on ancient times... why was Bruce Lee's Wing Chun is in the game? Why not include the (overrated but old as dirt) Shao Lin styles? Why is there obviously bad guy Samurai and Ninja while still belonging in one geography? If there's Japanese influence, where's the Shogunate? Why make fake Asian language in a supposedly a homogenous society where everyone should speak the same language? Why everyone speak in strange sentence structure in Engrish and consistently drop their fake accent? Why majority of the NPCs all have the exact same epicanthal folds on their eyes.. as if there's no asians with double eyelids? Is everyone related? Why most peasant spoke like they're English-born royalty? Why is everyone so obsessed about spiritualism and mumbo jumbo... why no versions of Confucianism, Taoism, Buddhism... why there's no exploration of philosophy and social commentary.. instead of depending on stereotypical portrayals of Asians in Western media and overused hero's journey archetype.
Why nobody talk about how that "Jade Empire" name literally imply that its an empire filled with prostitutes. Its a French word that was a derogatory insult in English. I 'suppose' it means the milk green-ish stone, 玉 Yù, which literally just mean beautiful gem... its female ornament. Why do you think the English use that exact word for it in the first place?
Is there not even a single East Asian-descent writer in North America that they could use before they made an expensive game? Heck, I'll be happy if its just A Song of Ice and Fire series but set in Ancient China... which actually can be accurate for that setting.
"How dare you not get these cultural details right in your fantasy game!" Holy fucking shit Bioware "Fans" really are the absolute worst.
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Post by bladefist on Nov 29, 2017 23:42:47 GMT
I actually played BG1 after having played BG2,and it totally felt stale and "generic",as you put it in, comparison. The conversation with the companions is really one of the basic ingredients that made BG2 a masterpiece imho. Yup, I played BG2 first and it's my favorite game to this day. I went back to play part 1 and what a chore it was. I rush through that game in all my playthroughs. Imoen... lol
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Post by o Ventus on Nov 30, 2017 0:24:17 GMT
Jade Empire. The most culturally insensitive and tone deaf orientalist bullshit that I was still amazed that they're created by the exact same writers of Dragon Age and Mass Effect. But no... its a cult classic, its perfect, everyone loves it, it needed to be remastered and remake... okay... this is a long rant.. Was it really too much to do some basic research on East Asia culture? You could create diverse Thedas or diverse The Old Republic but the idea of a diverse East Asia is too much? Did anyone watch wuxia shows or read literature or learn basic history? Did nobody read Romance of the Third Kingdom and that there are multiple warring states before the formation unified China, Korea and Japan? Its also a fighting game based on ancient times... why was Bruce Lee's Wing Chun is in the game? Why not include the (overrated but old as dirt) Shao Lin styles? Why is there obviously bad guy Samurai and Ninja while still belonging in one geography? If there's Japanese influence, where's the Shogunate? Why make fake Asian language in a supposedly a homogenous society where everyone should speak the same language? Why everyone speak in strange sentence structure in Engrish and consistently drop their fake accent? Why majority of the NPCs all have the exact same epicanthal folds on their eyes.. as if there's no asians with double eyelids? Is everyone related? Why most peasant spoke like they're English-born royalty? Why is everyone so obsessed about spiritualism and mumbo jumbo... why no versions of Confucianism, Taoism, Buddhism... why there's no exploration of philosophy and social commentary.. instead of depending on stereotypical portrayals of Asians in Western media and overused hero's journey archetype.
Why nobody talk about how that "Jade Empire" name literally imply that its an empire filled with prostitutes. Its a French word that was a derogatory insult in English. I 'suppose' it means the milk green-ish stone, 玉 Yù, which literally just mean beautiful gem... its female ornament. Why do you think the English use that exact word for it in the first place?
Is there not even a single East Asian-descent writer in North America that they could use before they made an expensive game? Heck, I'll be happy if its just A Song of Ice and Fire series but set in Ancient China... which actually can be accurate for that setting.
Personally I wouldn't hold it against Jade Empire for not being historically accurate, I mean it isn't meant to be a historically accurate representation of ancient china but a completely different universe inspired by ancient china, far as I know they did not have mechanical flying machines in ancient china either. That said it has been a while since I played Jade Empire but suddenly I have an urge to play through it again, are there any mods that allow controller functionality on PC and generally make the game look a bit better with higher resolutions and such? Wait, you're saying that dragons aren't real?
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Post by o Ventus on Nov 30, 2017 0:25:55 GMT
Jade Empire. The most culturally insensitive and tone deaf orientalist bullshit that I was still amazed that they're created by the exact same writers of Dragon Age and Mass Effect. But no... its a cult classic, its perfect, everyone loves it, it needed to be remastered and remake... okay... this is a long rant.. Was it really too much to do some basic research on East Asia culture? You could create diverse Thedas or diverse The Old Republic but the idea of a diverse East Asia is too much? Did anyone watch wuxia shows or read literature or learn basic history? Did nobody read Romance of the Third Kingdom and that there are multiple warring states before the formation unified China, Korea and Japan? Its also a fighting game based on ancient times... why was Bruce Lee's Wing Chun is in the game? Why not include the (overrated but old as dirt) Shao Lin styles? Why is there obviously bad guy Samurai and Ninja while still belonging in one geography? If there's Japanese influence, where's the Shogunate? Why make fake Asian language in a supposedly a homogenous society where everyone should speak the same language? Why everyone speak in strange sentence structure in Engrish and consistently drop their fake accent? Why majority of the NPCs all have the exact same epicanthal folds on their eyes.. as if there's no asians with double eyelids? Is everyone related? Why most peasant spoke like they're English-born royalty? Why is everyone so obsessed about spiritualism and mumbo jumbo... why no versions of Confucianism, Taoism, Buddhism... why there's no exploration of philosophy and social commentary.. instead of depending on stereotypical portrayals of Asians in Western media and overused hero's journey archetype.
Why nobody talk about how that "Jade Empire" name literally imply that its an empire filled with prostitutes. Its a French word that was a derogatory insult in English. I 'suppose' it means the milk green-ish stone, 玉 Yù, which literally just mean beautiful gem... its female ornament. Why do you think the English use that exact word for it in the first place?
Is there not even a single East Asian-descent writer in North America that they could use before they made an expensive game? Heck, I'll be happy if its just A Song of Ice and Fire series but set in Ancient China... which actually can be accurate for that setting.
"How dare you not get these cultural details right in your fantasy game!" Holy fucking shit Bioware "Fans" really are the absolute worst. No, I have it on good authority that the Pandaren in WoW are literally modern Chinamen, with their magical jade dragons and magical chi-powered martial arts. @topic: Minecraft. Or, really, building games in general that get super big and popular. They're never complex enough to allow for "realistic" construction yet aren't simple enough to pick up and learn without putting in a dozen or so hours.
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Post by heathenoxman on Dec 1, 2017 14:17:17 GMT
Dead Space - not even the prospect of dismembering zombie children could sway me to play it through. A somewhat unique idea that did away with it with its tasteless gore. I got to the point where you have to pew-pew at asteroids before I gave up. Besides, being Isaac annoyed me. People kept telling me to "go here" and "do this," and I'm like, "I am not your bitch!"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 16:12:30 GMT
I am surprised that someone mentioned PST. Did not think many still remember it. I did not like it, but I do not think it was overrated. I could see its appeal clearly, I get it why people raved, it just was not for me.
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Post by dazk on Dec 5, 2017 0:36:30 GMT
I am surprised that someone mentioned PST. Did not think many still remember it. I did not like it, but I do not think it was overrated. I could see its appeal clearly, I get it why people raved, it just was not for me. Yeah can't comment on it being over rated but I didn't like it and stopped early on.
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Post by danielhungary on Dec 29, 2017 21:59:08 GMT
Those final fantasies, especially the one with the moody protagonist. FFX yes, it is slightly overrated, but FFVI, FFVII, FFVIII, IX and XII is fine.
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