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Post by Kabraxal on Jan 20, 2018 0:30:15 GMT
Adding Pillars of Eternity... story seems good, characters ate decent if not Bioware level, and the world buildinh is nice, BUT it is utterly destroyed by outdated mechanics best left in the past. The combat is simply not fun and the chore of dealing with it keeps getting in the way, which is all I ask of a game: do not get in the way of the story.
Gaming has evolved enough that these mechanics shouldn’t be desired or even considered acceptable. One thing Dragon Age absolutely did right for the genre by shifting it to something that is at least not getting in the way. This current cRPG kick has yet to actually pay off with a truly great experience. Regretting all the kickstarts I was a part of.....
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Post by Gwydden on Jan 20, 2018 0:57:20 GMT
Adding Pillars of Eternity... story seems good, characters ate decent if not Bioware level, and the world buildinh is nice, BUT it is utterly destroyed by outdated mechanics best left in the past. The combat is simply not fun and the chore of dealing with it keeps getting in the way, which is all I ask of a game: do not get in the way of the story. Gaming has evolved enough that these mechanics shouldn’t be desired or even considered acceptable. One thing Dragon Age absolutely did right for the genre by shifting it to something that is at least not getting in the way. This current cRPG kick has yet to actually pay off with a truly great experience. Regretting all the kickstarts I was a part of..... Ha! I agree on the pick, but for almost the exact opposite reasons. I thought Pillars was ultimately kind of meh because of the bland story, while the best part of it (after the visuals) was the combat. I prefer turn-based, truth be told, but the game probably had the best real-time-with-pause system I've encountered. That includes the Dragon Age games. I recommend anyone who feels Pillars combat is "dated" to play Baldur's Gate again. The two experiences are worlds apart. Honestly, I used to agree that story matters a lot more than combat, but of late I find I have less tolerance for my time being wasted and, in pretty much every RPG, combat is 75%+ of the actual game. It should be more than a little fun. As for the "current cRPG kick," I haven't tried that many. But while I found Pillars to be so-so, the Shadowrun games are awesome. Divinity: Original Sin 2 also looks promising and is next on my list.
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Post by Kabraxal on Jan 20, 2018 1:29:54 GMT
Adding Pillars of Eternity... story seems good, characters ate decent if not Bioware level, and the world buildinh is nice, BUT it is utterly destroyed by outdated mechanics best left in the past. The combat is simply not fun and the chore of dealing with it keeps getting in the way, which is all I ask of a game: do not get in the way of the story. Gaming has evolved enough that these mechanics shouldn’t be desired or even considered acceptable. One thing Dragon Age absolutely did right for the genre by shifting it to something that is at least not getting in the way. This current cRPG kick has yet to actually pay off with a truly great experience. Regretting all the kickstarts I was a part of..... Ha! I agree on the pick, but for almost the exact opposite reasons. I thought Pillars was ultimately kind of meh because of the bland story, while the best part of it (after the visuals) was the combat. I prefer turn-based, truth be told, but the game probably had the best real-time-with-pause system I've encountered. That includes the Dragon Age games. I recommend anyone who feels Pillars combat is "dated" to play Baldur's Gate again. The two experiences are worlds apart. Honestly, I used to agree that story matters a lot more than combat, but of late I find I have less tolerance for my time being wasted and, in pretty much every RPG, combat is 75%+ of the actual game. It should be more than a little fun. As for the "current cRPG kick," I haven't tried that many. But while I found Pillars to be so-so, the Shadowrun games are awesome. Divinity: Original Sin 2 also looks promising and is next on my list. Torment, Tyranny, and Divinity are the big three outside of PoR and I haven’t enjoyed any of them all that much. As for combat, I enjoy Dragon Age the most for this tyoe of party based combat. Engaging enough but micromanaging is not required. I hate micromanaging.
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Post by warden on Jan 20, 2018 2:01:56 GMT
Ha! I agree on the pick, but for almost the exact opposite reasons. I thought Pillars was ultimately kind of meh because of the bland story, while the best part of it (after the visuals) was the combat. I prefer turn-based, truth be told, but the game probably had the best real-time-with-pause system I've encountered. That includes the Dragon Age games. I recommend anyone who feels Pillars combat is "dated" to play Baldur's Gate again. The two experiences are worlds apart. Honestly, I used to agree that story matters a lot more than combat, but of late I find I have less tolerance for my time being wasted and, in pretty much every RPG, combat is 75%+ of the actual game. It should be more than a little fun. As for the "current cRPG kick," I haven't tried that many. But while I found Pillars to be so-so, the Shadowrun games are awesome. Divinity: Original Sin 2 also looks promising and is next on my list. Torment, Tyranny, and Divinity are the big three outside of PoR and I haven’t enjoyed any of them all that much. As for combat, I enjoy Dragon Age the most for this tyoe of party based combat. Engaging enough but micromanaging is not required. I hate micromanaging. if you hate micromanaging is quite clear that those games aren't meant for you, because that's how those games or let's say better, combat are created/meant for.
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Post by Kabraxal on Jan 20, 2018 5:40:49 GMT
Torment, Tyranny, and Divinity are the big three outside of PoR and I haven’t enjoyed any of them all that much. As for combat, I enjoy Dragon Age the most for this tyoe of party based combat. Engaging enough but micromanaging is not required. I hate micromanaging. if you hate micromanaging is quite clear that those games aren't meant for you, because that's how those games or let's say better, combat are created/meant for. It’s true. I put up with it 20 years ago. Games evolved and better mechanics came around. Guess I’ll just leave that subgenre where it belongs... in the past tinted bh my nostalgia glasses.
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While I am a die hard Halo fan, especially since I've been playing since CE, Halo Reach is the worst Halo for me. I'll make it short and simple, -Most of the multiplayer maps are recycled from the campaign. Forge maps are the same steel over and over again. -The campaign's clashes against Halo: The Fall of Reach. I honestly preferred The Fall of Reach over the game, but the lead writer said, "your copy of Halo: TFoR? Yeah, you can toss it into the fireplace." Mind you, this is the same person who thinks the Exo stranger from Destiny was handled well. Overall, looking back, the campaign had a lot of head shaking moments. -Noble team were just as plain as Osiris. Only, Osiris had Buck. -DMR Bloom. It's completely BS that my engagements revolve around RNG. Even if I pace my shots, my opponent can get potentially lucky and win. (Which often happened). -Armor Lock. Need I say more about this ability that completely stops the game? Halo 4 was smart about replacing it with Hardlight shield, (but adding Promo Vision is unforgivable). -The armor of the Spartan. While customization was expansive, the base MJOLNIR armor I didn't like. -Removing the ranking system Halo 3 had. -Lack of Spectre. This will always be as sin for any Halo game. -The vanilla maps lack the aesthetic variety all the other Halo games, (except 5) have. This makes them boring to be on, IMO.
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Halo Reach was still a fun game. It was still a good game. However, it's inferior compared to all the other games, but there are things it still holds above 343's games, such as, -Playable Elites -Invasion -Art style, Reach at least looked and felt like a Halo game -Despite my criticisms of the campaign, there are things it did well, some of the missions were definitely well worth it. -The DLC maps were beautiful and deserve to be praised -Armor customization options
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Post by Felya87 on Jan 28, 2018 12:17:08 GMT
I'm going to get hate, I know... but to me, the most overrated game ever was Life is Strage. I felt bored already after the first chapter, and I hated Cloe by half the second. When the simple girl who happen to be religious was so banally bullied and her family hated her for being drugged/abused, I stopped playng. Can it be more of a sterotype and intollerant than that? Too banal, too boring. Plus the almost forced lesbian love with a character I didn't liked who was praised by everyone, and just because the guy was a very pathetic alternative. Meh.
Stopped playng and gave it back to my friend. Glad I didn't spend money on it.
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Post by Superhik on Jan 29, 2018 18:46:59 GMT
I'm going to get hate, I know... but to me, the most overrated game ever was Life is Strage. I felt bored already after the first chapter, and I hated Cloe by half the second. When the simple girl who happen to be religious was so banally bullied and her family hated her for being drugged/abused, I stopped playng. Can it be more of a sterotype and intollerant than that? Too banal, too boring. Plus the almost forced lesbian love with a character I didn't liked who was praised by everyone, and just because the guy was a very pathetic alternative. Meh. Stopped playng and gave it back to my friend. Glad I didn't spend money on it. Better delete that post before vonuber catches wind of it. It's not a bad game, but Telltales ( especially older ones) had quite a bit of better writing.
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Post by Felya87 on Jan 29, 2018 19:10:14 GMT
I'm going to get hate, I know... but to me, the most overrated game ever was Life is Strage. I felt bored already after the first chapter, and I hated Cloe by half the second. When the simple girl who happen to be religious was so banally bullied and her family hated her for being drugged/abused, I stopped playng. Can it be more of a sterotype and intollerant than that? Too banal, too boring. Plus the almost forced lesbian love with a character I didn't liked who was praised by everyone, and just because the guy was a very pathetic alternative. Meh. Stopped playng and gave it back to my friend. Glad I didn't spend money on it. Better delete that post before vonuber catches wind of it. It's not a bad game, but Telltales ( especially older ones) had quite a bit of better writing. Eh, probably a big part of me being unable to appreciate the title is about the ambientation too. I never liked school settings, and most adolescential stories. I guess I liked at the time Buffy because it was mosly about fighting monsters than school. Even in anime, I only like school setting/protagonists when it's "crazy", like in GTO, Slam Dunk or Toradora. Otherwise, I just can't get into the story. But Life is Strange was way too slow for me to keep me interested enought to forget about the setting. I only ever played The Wolf Among Us fron TellTales, and I liked it quite a lot.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Jan 30, 2018 11:09:18 GMT
Halo: Reach While I am a die hard Halo fan, especially since I've been playing since CE, Halo Reach is the worst Halo for me. I'll make it short and simple, -Most of the multiplayer maps are recycled from the campaign. Forge maps are the same steel over and over again. -The campaign's clashes against Halo: The Fall of Reach. I honestly preferred The Fall of Reach over the game, but the lead writer said, "your copy of Halo: TFoR? Yeah, you can toss it into the fireplace." Mind you, this is the same person who thinks the Exo stranger from Destiny was handled well. Overall, looking back, the campaign had a lot of head shaking moments. -Noble team were just as plain as Osiris. Only, Osiris had Buck. -DMR Bloom. It's completely BS that my engagements revolve around RNG. Even if I pace my shots, my opponent can get potentially lucky and win. (Which often happened). -Armor Lock. Need I say more about this ability that completely stops the game? Halo 4 was smart about replacing it with Hardlight shield, (but adding Promo Vision is unforgivable). -The armor of the Spartan. While customization was expansive, the base MJOLNIR armor I didn't like. -Removing the ranking system Halo 3 had. -Lack of Spectre. This will always be as sin for any Halo game. -The vanilla maps lack the aesthetic variety all the other Halo games, (except 5) have. This makes them boring to be on, IMO. Now. Halo Reach was still a fun game. It was still a good game. However, it's inferior compared to all the other games, but there are things it still holds above 343's games, such as, -Playable Elites -Invasion -Art style, Reach at least looked and felt like a Halo game -Despite my criticisms of the campaign, there are things it did well, some of the missions were definitely well worth it. -The DLC maps were beautiful and deserve to be praised -Armor customization options No way man Halo Reach was best Halo!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 10:49:49 GMT
I'm going to get hate, I know... but to me, the most overrated game ever was Life is Strage. I felt bored already after the first chapter, and I hated Cloe by half the second. When the simple girl who happen to be religious was so banally bullied and her family hated her for being drugged/abused, I stopped playng. Can it be more of a sterotype and intollerant than that? Too banal, too boring. Plus the almost forced lesbian love with a character I didn't liked who was praised by everyone, and just because the guy was a very pathetic alternative. Meh. Stopped playng and gave it back to my friend. Glad I didn't spend money on it. I found myself enjoyng games like Fallout 4, even if not as good as its pedecessors, and Final Fantasy IX, who at the time it was badly received for its artstyle and purely fantasy setting by the FFVII-VIII fans. Same for Beyond Good & Evil, game almost forgotten by the mass, and one of the very few straight female protagonist (beside customizable characters) I remember ever playng. I was actually bored of this game with the first three episodes... only after catching a couple of spoilers with the fourth did I become interested again. As for my list of overrated games, the Assassin's Creed series and similar games such as Shadow of Mordor come to mind. Also, Final Fantasy games (though I don't mind them, just don't think they are as good as a lot of people say).
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Post by Felya87 on Jan 31, 2018 11:22:57 GMT
I'm going to get hate, I know... but to me, the most overrated game ever was Life is Strage. I felt bored already after the first chapter, and I hated Cloe by half the second. When the simple girl who happen to be religious was so banally bullied and her family hated her for being drugged/abused, I stopped playng. Can it be more of a sterotype and intollerant than that? Too banal, too boring. Plus the almost forced lesbian love with a character I didn't liked who was praised by everyone, and just because the guy was a very pathetic alternative. Meh. Stopped playng and gave it back to my friend. Glad I didn't spend money on it. I found myself enjoyng games like Fallout 4, even if not as good as its pedecessors, and Final Fantasy IX, who at the time it was badly received for its artstyle and purely fantasy setting by the FFVII-VIII fans. Same for Beyond Good & Evil, game almost forgotten by the mass, and one of the very few straight female protagonist (beside customizable characters) I remember ever playng. I was actually bored of this game with the first three episodes... only after catching a couple of spoilers with the fourth did I become interested again. As for my list of overrated games, the Assassin's Creed series and similar games such as Shadow of Mordor come to mind. Also, Final Fantasy games (though I don't mind them, just don't think they are as good as a lot of people say). I may decide to see a walkthrought just to know how it end, but I'm not going to play it again. I'm sorry because I always try to buy and play games with a female protagonist, but I can't resist. Shadow of Mordor is another game I've started and uninstalled in something like two hours of time. Beside the fact that I couldn't see where the LotR was in there, I wasn't impressed with the gameplay. Plus I'm too tired of the clichè of the "dead wife, dead son, I'm going to get revenge" type of protagonist.
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Post by correctamundo on Feb 27, 2018 15:44:25 GMT
For me it is probably ME2 and TW3. I really like them both, and ME2 I can even say i "love" but holy cow the fanboys out there. So overrated. @gandalf the Fabulous : Hale to the Reach! Anyway, me and the son used to play a lot of Reach. It was his first FPS I think. Nostalgia is trong there.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 27, 2018 17:01:34 GMT
And what does that make you? a snark, in the parlance of wrestling fandom. That's smark.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 18:24:40 GMT
Skyrim I've put 200 hours into it and never gotten very far as I get board easily in the game. It's not a bad game if you accept it for what it is but it's overrated.
The Witcher, never finished the first one and without mods I'd find it unplayable. I actually like Geralt as he really is an anti-hero the setting is interesting but the combat system? Oh god no.... One of these days I might get around to trying the other two...
DA:I and ME:A I've started these many times but never have gotten very far. They're just a bit too open. The game maps could have been made smaller witch would have helped tighten up the narrative of both games but nooo..
Dragon's Dodoma Dark Arisen. Most overrated game I've ever played, or tried to play. The pawn system is interesting as is the story and setting the game difficultly however is all over the damned map. I grew to hate it for this reason alone.
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Post by linksocarina on Feb 27, 2018 18:33:47 GMT
Is it too early to put Kingdom Come on this list?
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Post by correctamundo on Feb 27, 2018 18:44:24 GMT
Is it too early to put Kingdom Come on this list? You only have to have played it. OP doesn't specify how far or much though!
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 27, 2018 18:52:41 GMT
I will never understand people that say they put 200 hours in a game but find it boring. Why would you do this to yourself?
As for overrated games: It's tough to say. Personally, I tend to have a much lower opinion about MMOs then other people but that's mostly because I guess I just don't like the genre much and I don't really use the core premise of playing with other people a lot. So I wouldn't say that those games are generally overrated, I would just say that I don't like the genre much.
I also could name pretty much all hat's made by Nintendo. I never understood the hype about those games and the company. IMO, all of their games look weird and (just optically) subpar. The themes they go for are very similar to each other and very simplified, cliche and childish, don't look for a truly interesting story in those games. But then, again, I feel like I am just not the target audience. Clearly these games are made for younger players or for those who have played them since they were young and have a nostalgic connection to them. Clearly the gameplay itself is pretty good in almost all of them and they are technically well crafted and usually very bug free. Clearly they have innovative ideas, like the Switch controllers or the new Labo thing (that I personally think is ridiculous but apparently a lot of people are excited for it). So is Nintendo overrated or do I just underrate it due to my personal tastes? I tend to think it's the latter.
In fact, after giving it quite a bit of thought, there isn't really a game out there that is genuinely overrated. Pretty much all of the games that I can think of, which IMO really do have objective flaws, such as poor performance, lot's of bugs or very clear design issues were widely criticized for those problems. For example, I don't see how anyone can make the claim that Mass Effect: Andromeda was overrated. Yes, the game had issues but they were very clearly noticed and stated all over the place. There are underrated games out there IMO, but few overrated ones. The internet - where the most generally accepted ratings emerge from -is a very critical place where haters definitely outweigh the fanboys. So no, no overrated games on my list.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 18:55:49 GMT
I will never understand people that say they put 200 hours in a game but find it boring. Why would you do this to yourself? I was surprised to see it was 200 hours well 199 actually. I didn't think I'd played Skyrim that much.
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 27, 2018 19:02:47 GMT
I will never understand people that say they put 200 hours in a game but find it boring. Why would you do this to yourself? I was surprised to see it was 200 hours well 199 actually. I didn't think I'd played Skyrim that much. Well, it does suck you in. I also played it about 200 hours but I really liked the game (and I played only one character in that time). For me, that's really long on a single game though.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Feb 27, 2018 19:09:53 GMT
Is it too early to put Kingdom Come on this list? Not really, if you think it is getting a better reception than it deserves then by all means. However I would question in what way you think it is overrated? I mean sure there are quite a lot of people currently playing it (a lot more than I expected) but so far I don't see people really hyping the game out of proportion. While the game does have a LOT of problems the game the game does do a lot of cool things that other games just don't do and I think most just find it a breath of fresh air.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 19:14:15 GMT
I was surprised to see it was 200 hours well 199 actually. I didn't think I'd played Skyrim that much. Well, it does suck you in. I also played it about 200 hours but I really liked the game (and I played only one character in that time). For me, that's really long on a single game though. True enough. I dread to think how many hours I've put into SWTOR over the years.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 19:56:42 GMT
I also could name pretty much all hat's made by Nintendo. I never understood the hype about those games and the company. IMO, all of their games look weird and (just optically) subpar. The themes they go for are very similar to each other and very simplified, cliche and childish, don't look for a truly interesting story in those games. But then, again, I feel like I am just not the target audience. Clearly these games are made for younger players or for those who have played them since they were young and have a nostalgic connection to them. Clearly the gameplay itself is pretty good in almost all of them and they are technically well crafted and usually very bug free. Clearly they have innovative ideas, like the Switch controllers or the new Labo thing (that I personally think is ridiculous but apparently a lot of people are excited for it). So is Nintendo overrated or do I just underrate it due to my personal tastes? I tend to think it's the latter. I can see why the style would put people off (and in fact, the more childish/goofy ones put me off too), but they're extremely creative and to me stand for game design perfection. That means especially level design and game mechanics, which often--if not always--outclass the competition. It's unbelievable what they managed to get out of the humble NES with SMB3, and on the SNES they just dominated with SMW, Zelda 3, Metroid 3, etc. How they used the SNES' Mode 7 (which basically just allows devs to spin and warp the background layer) to make games like F-Zero and Super Mario Kart is just brilliant. Then, with the advent of 3D-capable consoles, many devs had great troubles redesigning their 2D games for 3D. Nintendo? Makes Super Mario 64 and instantly nails it, as if they'd never done anything else before. Same with Ocarina of Time. Later they reinvented the genre again with Super Mario Galaxy and its mini-planet mechanics. So ingenious, and as always setting genre standards. I understand that someone wouldn't like what they do, but at what they're doing they have no match imo.
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