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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Nov 11, 2017 16:04:11 GMT
Just got Nioh because it finally released on PC and it got me wondering why good RPGs in a feudal Japan setting or a setting based around feudal japan are almost non-existant, apart from Way of the Samurai I can't think any RPGs in this setting and Way of the Samurai is hardly a series I would call good.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 16:17:49 GMT
Just got Nioh because it finally released on PC and it got me wondering why good RPGs in a feudal Japan setting or a setting based around feudal japan are almost non-existant, apart from Way of the Samurai I can't think any RPGs in this setting and Way of the Samurai is hardly a series I would call good. Well, that's one. On the other hand, I have not heard of RPGs set in medieval Russia, Aztec Empire, India, Vandal's Kingdom or Easter Island either. There are not many set in China or Korea. Mongols did not get one. And, well, Palmyra and Georgia last time I've looked were not featured either. Australia and New Zealand... nope, none either. n short, most games rotate around States and England, or a uber-generic fantasy setting, with only a few odd titles like Assassin's Creed steeping in to produce something that is not taking place where most of their players live.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Nov 11, 2017 16:28:23 GMT
Just got Nioh because it finally released on PC and it got me wondering why good RPGs in a feudal Japan setting or a setting based around feudal japan are almost non-existant, apart from Way of the Samurai I can't think any RPGs in this setting and Way of the Samurai is hardly a series I would call good. Well, that's one. On the other hand, I have not heard of RPGs set in medieval Russia, Aztec Empire, India, Vandal's Kingdom or Easter Island either. There are not many set in China or Korea. Mongols did not get one. And, well, Palmyra and Georgia last time I've looked were not featured either. Australia and New Zealand... nope, none either. Yeah well I think that mostly comes down to the popularity of those settings, I really don't see many people clamoring for an RPG set in outback Australia unless of course it is a Mad Max style post apocalyptic setting and we already have plenty of those. however everybody loves Samurai and Ninjas! Who wouldn't love an RPG based around being a wandering Ronin that takes inspiration from Japanese mythology?
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Nov 11, 2017 16:44:08 GMT
Yeah hard to tell what we are getting with that based on a cinematic trailer alone though, still it is one to keep an eye on at least.
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Post by Pearl on Nov 12, 2017 12:17:09 GMT
Perhaps it's a familiarity thing? Most triple-a games are developed in the west, and feudal Japan isn't exactly a widely covered topic over here, while the traditional "fantasy" setting is very well defined and easy to draw inspiration from.
Plus it depends on what you classify as an RPG. Someone could look at Nioh and say it's an RPG, since it has a lot of conventional RPG systems and you play the role of GeraltWilliam in the story. Others could look at it and say that despite the similarities, it isn't an RPG since the protagonist is fixed and there aren't any dialogue options.
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Post by danielhungary on Nov 12, 2017 14:29:03 GMT
Just got Nioh because it finally released on PC and it got me wondering why good RPGs in a feudal Japan setting or a setting based around feudal japan are almost non-existant, apart from Way of the Samurai I can't think any RPGs in this setting and Way of the Samurai is hardly a series I would call good. Many games from Koei Tecmo are set in the feudal japan history ( Dynasty Warriors ) it was a good choice from them to give Nioh to the professional Team Ninja team for making this game. Nioh was announced first for the PS3 system but never been released on that platform and few years ago it was reannounced but this time for the PS4 system. It was a good choice to revive this game not only because i like Ninja Gaiden hack'n slash and RPGs but for making this game so good. There are many games set in feudal japan, not great games, but still OK. Throne of Darkness : action RPG, im not 100% sure this game is set in feudal japan however. Kuon : survival horror game, PS2 exclusive made by From Software, it is a mix between the very old school Silent Hill and Resident Evil. Ghost of Tsushima : action RPG from Sucker Punch, Sonys own Third Party developers announced title for the PS4 system. Never played the Onimusha series it is of course not an RPG, it is hack'n slash but give it a try if you can got a decent PC and can run PS2 emulator at 60 fps or PS2 console. Probably Capcoms famous franchise is the closest game to Nioh.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Nov 12, 2017 16:21:13 GMT
Plus it depends on what you classify as an RPG. Someone could look at Nioh and say it's an RPG, since it has a lot of conventional RPG systems and you play the role of GeraltWilliam in the story. Others could look at it and say that despite the similarities, it isn't an RPG since the protagonist is fixed and there aren't any dialogue options. We are going with a very loose definition of what an RPG is in this thread because even with the loose definition there are still very few RPGs in the Feudal Japan setting
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Post by N7Valentine on Nov 12, 2017 16:39:00 GMT
Feudal Japan, or Japanese history in general, isn't well known in the West, hence most western devs stick with what they are familiar with. Most people are familiar with Japanese pop-culture, but not so much with History. I gotta admit, though. Ghost of Tsushima looks pretty cool
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 12, 2017 19:20:31 GMT
I don't care that its not RPG but I'll put TW Shogun 2 here because it's immersive and finely crafted with love to detail.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Nov 12, 2017 21:49:06 GMT
Feudal Japan, or Japanese history in general, isn't well known in the West, hence most western devs stick with what they are familiar with. Most people are familiar with Japanese pop-culture, but not so much with History. Yeah I get that when it comes to western developers however even among Japanese developers it is rare to see an RPG based around the Samurai or feudal Japan, even most JRPGs seem to take more inspiration from classic medieval fantasy than they do from Feudal Japan. Also not even talking about games that are necessarily historically accurate either, just settings that take inspiration from Japanese culture and folklore from around the feudal period, kind of like how Jade Empire isn't set in Ancient China but takes place in a world that takes a lot of inspiration from Ancient China.
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Post by CitizenChris on Nov 12, 2017 22:28:53 GMT
Indeed, if only Sega would port Yakuza Ishin.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Nov 13, 2017 14:29:30 GMT
What about this one:
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 13, 2017 15:09:45 GMT
Feudal Japan, or Japanese history in general, isn't well known in the West, hence most western devs stick with what they are familiar with. Most people are familiar with Japanese pop-culture, but not so much with History. Yeah I get that when it comes to western developers however even among Japanese developers it is rare to see an RPG based around the Samurai or feudal Japan, even most JRPGs seem to take more inspiration from classic medieval fantasy than they do from Feudal Japan. Also not even talking about games that are necessarily historically accurate either, just settings that take inspiration from Japanese culture and folklore from around the feudal period, kind of like how Jade Empire isn't set in Ancient China but takes place in a world that takes a lot of inspiration from Ancient China. The question is: Would it sell in the home market? If they already expect it to sell mediocre internationally - wouldn't they want good demand in domestic market at least?
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Post by shechinah on Nov 13, 2017 15:38:58 GMT
Well, that's one. On the other hand, I have not heard of RPGs set in medieval Russia, Aztec Empire, India, Vandal's Kingdom or Easter Island either. There are not many set in China or Korea. Mongols did not get one. And, well, Palmyra and Georgia last time I've looked were not featured either. Australia and New Zealand... nope, none either. n short, most games rotate around States and England, or a uber-generic fantasy setting, with only a few odd titles like Assassin's Creed steeping in to produce something that is not taking place where most of their players live. All the yes, what I wouldn't give for an authentic RPG or television series set in the pre-conquest Aztec Empire. That'd be a dream come true.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 13, 2017 16:04:23 GMT
Well, that's one. On the other hand, I have not heard of RPGs set in medieval Russia, Aztec Empire, India, Vandal's Kingdom or Easter Island either. There are not many set in China or Korea. Mongols did not get one. And, well, Palmyra and Georgia last time I've looked were not featured either. Australia and New Zealand... nope, none either. n short, most games rotate around States and England, or a uber-generic fantasy setting, with only a few odd titles like Assassin's Creed steeping in to produce something that is not taking place where most of their players live. All the yes, what I wouldn't give for an authentic RPG or television series set in the pre-conquest Aztec Empire. That'd be a dream come true. store.steampowered.com/app/237430/Expeditions_Conquistador/Not a fan of the gameplay myself, but...
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Uhm, set in the Atzek Empire, not destroying it; like the other poster said, pre-conquest.... it's also a strategy game on the label, and that's more like moving little units over the maps, right?
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 13, 2017 16:43:55 GMT
Well, that's one. On the other hand, I have not heard of RPGs set in medieval Russia, Aztec Empire, India, Vandal's Kingdom or Easter Island either. There are not many set in China or Korea. Mongols did not get one. And, well, Palmyra and Georgia last time I've looked were not featured either. Australia and New Zealand... nope, none either. n short, most games rotate around States and England, or a uber-generic fantasy setting, with only a few odd titles like Assassin's Creed steeping in to produce something that is not taking place where most of their players live. All the yes, what I wouldn't give for an authentic RPG or television series set in the pre-conquest Aztec Empire. That'd be a dream come true. Subdue the neighboring clan so the priests have enough virgins for cutting their hearts out alive?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 16:54:20 GMT
All the yes, what I wouldn't give for an authentic RPG or television series set in the pre-conquest Aztec Empire. That'd be a dream come true. Subdue the neighboring clan so the priests have enough virgins for cutting their hearts out alive? Yeah... given the near absence of historic records I am sure it will take no time to throw together a video-game plot with the protagonist fighting for freedom and to avenge the murder of virgins, heart ripping and all that. But the scenery, creature compendium, gods and the outfits, oh, my! Want it.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 13, 2017 16:54:25 GMT
Uhm, set in the Atzek Empire, not destroying it; like the other poster said, pre-conquest.... it's also a strategy game on the label, and that's more like moving little units over the maps, right? It's a strategy-rpg. With choice and consequences. Also, this is an alternate history game, it's set two years before Cortez would have landed in the New World anyway. You're there instead You also aren't required to conquer anything. Heck you can side with the Aztecs!
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 13, 2017 16:55:48 GMT
Uhm, set in the Atzek Empire, not destroying it; like the other poster said, pre-conquest.... it's also a strategy game on the label, and that's more like moving little units over the maps, right? It's a strategy-rpg. With choice and consequences. Also, this is an alternate history game, it's set two years before Cortez would have landed in the New World anyway. You're there instead You also aren't required to conquer anything. Heck you can side with the Aztecs! I know how this ends. #nobodyexpectsthespanishinquisition
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Uhm, set in the Atzek Empire, not destroying it; like the other poster said, pre-conquest.... it's also a strategy game on the label, and that's more like moving little units over the maps, right? It's a strategy-rpg. With choice and consequences. Also, this is an alternate history game, it's set two years before Cortez would have landed in the New World anyway. You're there instead You also aren't required to conquer anything. Heck you can side with the Aztecs! I dunno, it just doesn't look appealing? Hard to get from the description if it is actually boots on the ground game, with like moving characters, interactions, etc. But the screenshots are underwhelming. I dunno, it does not help that I have no idea what turn-based strategy means. What I guess, I am imagining wanting to play is something like Spiders' take on the Atzeks, or even AC set in the Mesoamericas...
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Post by shechinah on Nov 13, 2017 17:52:26 GMT
Yeah... given the near absence of historic records I am sure it will take no time to throw together a video-game plot (1) with the protagonist fighting for freedom and to avenge the murder of virgins, heart ripping and all that. (2) But the scenery, creature compendium, gods and the outfits, oh, my! Want it. 1. It doesn't even have to be about the protagonist being an "exception" since you can have characters that are products of their culture and still be likable and/or sympathetic. You can have court intrigues involving the nobility, battles between the cities like the flower wars and journeys in the form of trade ventures. There is a lot of room for stories in the setting. Aztec by Gary Jennings does very well in showing that. It follows the life of a mexicatl man named Mixtli who has semi-humble origins and experiences quite a life long before the conquest even begins. Not just because of his adventures but also because of his personal life. 2. Man, it'd make for such an awesome setting for a video game especially if it's done right and without using fantasy mayincatec tropes.
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Yeah... given the near absence of historic records I am sure it will take no time to throw together a video-game plot (1) with the protagonist fighting for freedom and to avenge the murder of virgins, heart ripping and all that. (2) But the scenery, creature compendium, gods and the outfits, oh, my! Want it. 1. It doesn't even have to be about the protagonist being an "exception" since you can have characters that are products of their culture and still be likable and/or sympathetic. You can have court intrigues involving the nobility, battles between the cities like the flower wars and journeys in the form of trade ventures. There is a lot of room for stories in the setting. Aztec by Gary Jennings does very well in showing that. It follows the life of a mexicatl man named Mixtli who has semi-humble origins and experiences quite a life long before the conquest even begins. Not just because of his adventures but also because of his personal life. 2. Man, it'd make for such an awesome setting for a video game especially if it's done right and without using fantasy mayincatec tropes. Honestly, I have not even seen anything Mayincatec, and would love to. There was one with Indiana Jones, maybe. But nothing remotely popular that i have seen based on Southern Americas. And I would absolutely love to play a character that belongs in that setting (would strongly prefer a character that belongs, not a European that looks from outside in).
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Nov 13, 2017 20:49:08 GMT
Yeah I get that when it comes to western developers however even among Japanese developers it is rare to see an RPG based around the Samurai or feudal Japan, even most JRPGs seem to take more inspiration from classic medieval fantasy than they do from Feudal Japan. Also not even talking about games that are necessarily historically accurate either, just settings that take inspiration from Japanese culture and folklore from around the feudal period, kind of like how Jade Empire isn't set in Ancient China but takes place in a world that takes a lot of inspiration from Ancient China. The question is: Would it sell in the home market? If they already expect it to sell mediocre internationally - wouldn't they want good demand in domestic market at least? If it is good I don't see why it wouldn't? Do the Japanese not like Samurai or Ninja or their own history and mythology? Also not really sure about how well Japanese games do in western markets, I thought for the most part if they are good enough they do fairly successfully don't they? Surely I can't be overestimating the demand for games based around the Samurai and Japanese mythology? Are Samurai really not that popular these days?
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