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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 22:44:25 GMT
Morrigan, in every game. DA1: loghain, Anora DA2: Isabella DAi: iron bull, Blackwall, Sera, Cole, Varric, vivienne, Leliana, Cullen, Celine, her brother, Briala, and pretty much everyone I met during the game whose names I can’t recall. Varric in I, but not in 2? That’s correct.
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Post by nvanfleet on Nov 16, 2017 22:52:03 GMT
I'm intrigued! I didn't find him too terribly different between 2 and I, what prompts your murder-knifeyness -- if you don't mind sharing?
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Post by Catilina on Nov 16, 2017 23:01:48 GMT
Because carver is an ass who can't get over himself. I get it you think hawke gets all the attention but you're not special DEAL WITH IT. Also when Carver brought up the whole I got Bethany killed I legit wished dragon age had renegade interrupts so I could punch him. He gets over himself if he becomes a Grey Warden. Sort of like Bethany gets all bitter and resentful if she ends up a Grey Warden. She just wants to live her life the way the Chantry tells her to, only coming into her own as one of the Rebel Mages once she sees what life really is inside the Circle. All Carver ever wanted was his own chance to be special, and I think the Grey Wardens give him that sense of purpose. That said, I definitely wanted to put the murder knife through his face a few times. I agree, only one exception: she just wants to live her life. Dot. And, don't like to be a burden. And he feels, she's a burden with her magic. As Grey Warden, she's bitter a fuck, but she even knows, that she's not a burden anymore, she can use her magic usefully. BUT: she knows, she never will be able to live like everyone else... If Hawke supports the Mages, she knows, she's not a burden. She already able to accept her magic as a gift. If Hawke supports the Templars, she continuing to be a martyr, she knows, her brother/sister feels her just as a burden. But she will never show her disappointment. She's the Sunshine...
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Post by Nightscrawl on Nov 16, 2017 23:06:26 GMT
Because carver is an ass who can't get over himself. I get it you think hawke gets all the attention but you're not special DEAL WITH IT. Also when Carver brought up the whole I got Bethany killed I legit wished dragon age had renegade interrupts so I could punch him. I put some of this down to his immaturity. The twins are 18 years old at the beginning -- Leandra: "18 years of loving and feeding...". Some of the things he says can be put down to his age; in the moment, he's angry and resentful and is trying to come up with something hurtful to say. I'm not a huge Carver fan, but I can understand the reasons for him acting the way he does, and with that understanding comes a bit of acceptance as well. I think it's a shame we can't have both siblings, and that whichever one you get is based on your Hawke's class. They both have some great moments, allow for some good roleplay opportunities for Hawke, and bring their own perspective to the team in Act 1. I actually have more of an issue with Bethany's bitterness at becoming a grey warden. She insists that she go along on the Deep Roads mission; that's fine, I think both siblings have a place there and I never leave them behind. If she hadn't gone with Stroud she would have died, just as we saw Wesley die in the prologue. I'm rather annoyed that we can't confront her with that. You either go with Stroud or you die. There are no alternatives. Her being pissed is annoying. Would she rather be dead?
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Post by nvanfleet on Nov 16, 2017 23:08:26 GMT
Because carver is an ass who can't get over himself. I get it you think hawke gets all the attention but you're not special DEAL WITH IT. Also when Carver brought up the whole I got Bethany killed I legit wished dragon age had renegade interrupts so I could punch him. I put some of this down to his immaturity. The twins are 18 years old at the beginning -- Leandra: "18 years of loving and feeding...". Some of the things he says can be put down to his age; in the moment, he's angry and resentful and is trying to come up with something hurtful to say. I'm not a huge Carver fan, but I can understand the reasons for him acting the way he does, and with that understanding comes a bit of acceptance as well. I think it's a shame we can't have both siblings, and that whichever one you get is based on your Hawke's class. They both have some great moments, allow for some good roleplay opportunities for Hawke, and bring their own perspective to the team in Act 1. I *really* hate that one of them has to die, especially because you don't really start out knowing them much in the first playthrough and it's a big ask to kill someone as important as a sibling when you barely know them. Much the same feels from me on DadRyder. Like.... ok? I guess?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Nov 16, 2017 23:15:37 GMT
it's a big ask to kill someone as important as a sibling when you barely know them. To be fair, the devs don't ask. Lol... The greater issue I have, which is what I guess you're alluding to, is that they're asking us to feel in a certain way for characters we hardly know. In the case of MEA, it's made explicit that Scott/Sara don't actually know their father very well, so in a way that's even worse because it's more difficult to roleplay concern when the game actually tells you it's okay to feel less. It's a problem I have with these types of origins in general. I have more attachment to my Inquisitor's completely made up family than I ever have to any of the families forced on us from DAO or DA2.
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Post by lynas on Nov 16, 2017 23:32:18 GMT
DA2 : Fenris and Sebastian DAI : Leliana, Blackwall, Morrigan
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Post by duckley on Nov 16, 2017 23:46:09 GMT
Loghain, Anders, Blackwall.... for starters
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Nov 17, 2017 1:06:34 GMT
DA2: Anders, but only after the Chantry explosion and only on the Friendship path. Rivarly Anders is a poor sap that got possessed by a demon. Sebastian also only gets knifed after he throws his hissy fit about wanting to destroy an entire city to kill one man.
DAI: Solas and I guess Vivienne. Solas gets knifed because he's being a huge genocidal idiot who needs to stop and think. Vivienne isn't exactly my fav companion but I don't want to kill her (the same goes for Solas who is one of my favs) but her war against the College in the epilogue is a petty power play that's going to get people for no good reason, so the Iron Lady has to go.
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Post by Catilina on Nov 17, 2017 1:12:42 GMT
DA2: Anders, but only after the Chantry explosion and only on the Friendship path. Rivarly Anders is a poor sap that got possessed by a demon. Sebastian also only gets knifed after he throws his hissy fit about wanting to destroy an entire city to kill one man. In Inquisition Solas and I guess Vivienne. Solas gets knifed because he's being a huge genocidal idiot who needs to stop and think. Vivienne isn't exactly my fav companion but I don't want to kill her (the same goes for Solas who is one of my favs) but her war aganist the College in the epilogue is a petty power play that's going ti get people for no good reason, so the Iron Lady has to go. Rival!Anders same as friendshipped!Anders, and Justice as well... (perhaps: there more chance for Justice to be twisted). The difference is: rival!Anders can't take the responsibility when friendshipped!Anders able to take it. (And rival!Anders can be dangerously unstable...)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 15:10:18 GMT
I'm intrigued! I didn't find him too terribly different between 2 and I, what prompts your murder-knifeyness -- if you don't mind sharing? His transition from Hawke's doormat friend who'd agree with everything Hawke's would say and ask for another lick of their glorious behind to being anybody's doormat friend and asking for another lick, then betraying Hawke by usurping his or hers position in Kirkwall from him/her and handing over the keys to the Kirkwall's harbor (they seawall defense line) to Inquisition's army making Kirkwall a de-facto ally did it. And still pretending to be Hawke's best friend. On top of it, he is, like most of the companions in DAI just uninteresting and do not appeal to me personally at all. He had his moments in DA2. Dragging him into DA3 as an obligatory rogue was not a great idea imo. Overall, I would have preferred to cut down the entire cast of DA3 and start the recruitment from scratch or just play the game with Cassandra and Dorian.
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Post by nvanfleet on Nov 17, 2017 15:35:21 GMT
I'm intrigued! I didn't find him too terribly different between 2 and I, what prompts your murder-knifeyness -- if you don't mind sharing? His transition from Hawke's doormat friend who'd agree with everything Hawke's would say and ask for another lick of their glorious behind to being anybody's doormat friend and asking for another lick, then betraying Hawke by taking his or hers position in Kirkwall from him/her and handing over the keys to the Kirkwall's harbor (they seawall defense line) to Inquisition's army making Kirkwall a de-facto ally did it. And still pretending to be Hawke's best friend. On top of it, he is, like most of the companions in DAI just uninteresting and do not appeal to me personally at all. He had his moments in DA2. Dragging him into DA3 as an obligatory rogue was not a great idea imo. Overall, I would have preferred to cut down the entire cast of DA3 and start the recruitment from scratch or just play the game with Cassandra and Dorian. .... *Fistbump* I agree with about 90 percent of that, tacitly disagreeing mostly because I never had that much of a connection to the few Hawkes I played and tend to plunk them in the Fade in favor of whatever Warden my DAI playthrough has. But much of the rest of that? I liked the game better than you did (different strokes for different folks, etc) but I only ever end up taking the same 3-5 people around with me in DAI anyway so I can't really argue with you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 15:40:19 GMT
His transition from Hawke's doormat friend who'd agree with everything Hawke's would say and ask for another lick of their glorious behind to being anybody's doormat friend and asking for another lick, then betraying Hawke by taking his or hers position in Kirkwall from him/her and handing over the keys to the Kirkwall's harbor (they seawall defense line) to Inquisition's army making Kirkwall a de-facto ally did it. And still pretending to be Hawke's best friend. On top of it, he is, like most of the companions in DAI just uninteresting and do not appeal to me personally at all. He had his moments in DA2. Dragging him into DA3 as an obligatory rogue was not a great idea imo. Overall, I would have preferred to cut down the entire cast of DA3 and start the recruitment from scratch or just play the game with Cassandra and Dorian. .... *Fistbump* I agree with about 90 percent of that, tacitly disagreeing mostly because I never had that much of a connection to the few Hawkes I played and tend to plunk them in the Fade in favor of whatever Warden my DAI playthrough has. But much of the rest of that? I liked the game better than you did (different strokes for different folks, etc) but I only ever end up taking the same 3-5 people around with me in DAI anyway so I can't really argue with you. Out of my three Hawkes (one is unfinished in Act 2), one was my darling, and the second one I gleefully left in the Fade (as a trade for bereaved Alistair). The third one will never step into the Fade. For DA4, I will import the PT with my dearly beloved surviving Hawke if it would matter at all there. Not that I have much of a choice. It is my only finished run of DA3.
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Post by Jarovbees on Nov 17, 2017 15:45:52 GMT
DAO: Jowan, Bhelen, Loghain, Kalah Brosca, Carroll (mercy kill before he becomes a Red Templar in DAI), Isolde (if I don't save both her and Connor, she's always the one who dies) DA2: Anders, Isabela, Bartrand, Quentin, The Arishok, Meredith, Petrice, Elthina DAI: Solas, Celene AND Gaspard, Michel de Chevin, most of the Orlesian elite, Samson, Abelas, Gereon Alexius
Help, I can't stop.
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Post by nvanfleet on Nov 17, 2017 16:16:36 GMT
Start murder-knifing Orlesian Nobles you'd never want to stop. It's a good thing/kind of a shame that it DAI wasn't more Bethesda-like in it's 'Wanna wipe out a whole town? Go for it' sense; a Val Royeaux Rampage would be SO CATHARTIC sometimes.
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Post by jaison1986 on Nov 17, 2017 16:20:40 GMT
DAO: Wynne, Alistair, Bhelen, Caridin, Velanna, Isolde.
DA2: Anders, Isabela, Bartrand, half of the chantry and templar staff, Fenris and Merrill.
DAI: Vivienne, Sera, Iron Bull.
Ohh Sera and Isabela are the worst ones just for the fact I can't murder knife them at all.
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Post by Exile Isan on Nov 17, 2017 16:29:36 GMT
No one, really. I mean the one who probably deserved it the most (Anders) you can and I didn't even do it. Mostly, because I figure if Sebastian wants Anders dead he can freaking do it himself. My Hawke wasn't going to knife the person that saved her little brothers life, the only family she has left.
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Post by Catilina on Nov 17, 2017 18:52:48 GMT
Hmm, Anders, Fenris, Carver, Morrigan, Isabela... many of the characters, you guys want to kill, are among my favourites... pfft. True, I like most of the DA-characters.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 17, 2017 20:37:18 GMT
None. I lack the psychotic urge to murder characters that displease me as a player.
As a player character though, I would say that my Blood Mage Hawke would enjoy bathing in the blood of templar bastards etc...
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Nov 17, 2017 20:40:00 GMT
Carver is an annoying brat sometimes, but if that's all it takes to earn getting murder knifed than most of humanity would be dead. Hell, chances are most of the people on this forum would be dead, myself most definitely included.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 20:42:48 GMT
Hmm, Anders, Fenris, Carver, Morrigan, Isabela... many of the characters, you guys want to kill, are among my favourites... pfft. True, I like most of the DA-characters. Heh, the beauty of the SP games is that what happens in my game, stays in my game. What happens in yours, stays in yours
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Post by jaison1986 on Nov 18, 2017 14:38:13 GMT
Carver is an annoying brat sometimes, but if that's all it takes to earn getting murder knifed than most of humanity would be dead. Hell, chances are most of the people on this forum would be dead, myself most definitely included. Most people aren't THAT annyoing.
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Post by Ravenfeeder on Nov 18, 2017 15:21:46 GMT
DAO: Ohgren, misogynist, drunk and whiny, just put him out of my misery. Most of the Dwarves of Orzammar, they are all horrible. DAA: Anders, another whiny self-important, self-centred asshole. Have to wait until you recruit Velanna, but after that it's stabby time. Ohgren again, but he deserves it doubly now. DA2: Everyone, except Varric, he's mostly OK. There's not a decent person in the whole of Kirkwall. DAI: Solas and Blackwall. Too boring to live. (OK they both have good stories, but it doesn't come across in play).
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Post by Mir Aven on Dec 3, 2017 20:29:42 GMT
DAO: Morrigan DA 2: Merill DAI: I don't really care enough about any of them, even to hate them. Sera, maybe, if I had to choose.
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Post by midnightwolf on Dec 3, 2017 22:41:58 GMT
For Origins: Morrigan. For DA2: Anders. And the ending doesn't count, since stabbing him leaves it open to interpretation. For Inquisition: No one. I either liked or loved them all for different reasons. Sure Viv is a bitch, and Sera is a funny cunt. Or Cole is too close and Cass too cold. So what? I like them all. Especially Cole and Cass!
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